PUTIN’S RUSSIA: INSIDE OR OUTSIDE THE INTERNATIONAL ORDER? An evening with Stephen Kotkin

[@sidd-artha]

0:15:11 is the starting point. Before there are just bureaucrats kissing the behinds that empower them.

[@sidd-artha]

It restarts at 1:06:20. There is a pause from an incoherent individual who can walk with the agility he can think or express himself in English.

[@AndreAndFriends]

@@sidd-artha this guy is 100% commie. Basically he said I'm a very famoust scientist, Canada is a hammer and Russia is a nail. ....... I just saved you +30 min of listening to a verbal diarrhea. You are very welcome.

[@MrChet407]

Yeah it's disgusting

[@BrotherCreamy]

@@sidd-artha I thought he was alright

[@richardcory5024]

Professor Stephen Kotkin of Princeton talks more sense about the subject of Russia than possibly anyone other than Professor Timothy Snyder of Yale. They are equally deserving of being listened to.

[@Odyssey-y3s]

Kotkin knows history, Snyder knows propaganda

[@richardcory5024]

@@Odyssey-y3s Kotkin knows history, Snyder knows history.. Snyder knows the history that deeply hurts and shames Russians and especially bots and trolls.

[@Odyssey-y3s]

@@richardcory5024 😂 Snyder is a fraud

[@Odyssey-y3s]

@@richardcory5024 Grover Furr debunked Snyder’s Bloodlands. It’s more like Bloodlies that Snyder had to come up with to lay down the foundation of the Ukraine’s mythology.

[@Odyssey-y3s]

@@richardcory5024 The work of scholars like Arch Getty, Davies, Tauger and Wheatcroft would also confirm that Snyder’s work was mostly politically motivated and that mostly based on the claims of the Ukrainian nationalists who collaborated with the Nazis and committed crimes like the Volhynian massacre and Babi Yar, and more.

[@lawjef]

15:30 (which is 11+ min after she says “in conclusion…”)

[@stepsvideos]

Piotr Dutkiewicz sounds like a defense lawyer, blaming society for the crimes of his troubled teenage client (Putin).

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

Prof Kotkin starts at 15:15

[@thomasd2444]

Margaret Huber, President National Capitol Branch of C.I.C. 0:03:30 - 0:05:00 - 0:07:05 - Paul Durant 0:08:34 - Robert Hage , Chair this N.C.B. of C.I.C event 0:10:00 - 0:12:55 - Where did the (dis-engaged) West go wrong ? . ____________ Stephen Kotkin, Professor in History and ____________ International Affairs at Princeton University, ____________ Director of its Institute for International and ____________ Regional Studies and ____________ Co-director of the Program in the ____________ History and Practice of Diplomacy . 0:15:35 - Great to be here (in a functioning Canada) 0:16:05 - So here (the just prior to dinner speech) goes ____________ Joke 0:17:37 - Boris Nic-o-li-a-vich, can you describe in one word : Good 0:18:22 - Boris Nic-o-li-a-vich, can you describe in 2 words : Not Good 0:18:35 - So that's the point of my talk 0:20:45 - Russia's sense of self 0:21:23 - You'll notice that your new landlords 0:21:55 - A gap between capabilities & aspirations (better-than-you) 0:22:25 - To close the gap 0:30:00 - 0:35:00 - 0:37:00 - 0:38:42 - Focus Danielson 0:40:53 - U 0:41:18 - Hard to see strategic gain 0:41:28 - 0:41:38 - R 0:41:53 - Voluntarily turn on 0:42:14 - 3rd point 0:47:00 - 0:45:00 - 0:49:14 - A fundamental clash of interests 0:49:29 - Primary value : Freedom from THE STATE 0:49:47 - Primary value : THE STATE 0:50:00 - 0:50:10 - Differences can be managed 0:50:42 - 0:51:00 - Difficult without understanding values & interests . 0:51:30 - commentator : Piotr Dutkiewicz, ____________ Professor of Political Science and ____________ Director of the Center for Governance and ____________ Public Policy at Carleton University 0:52:04 - E-Europe : EXCELLENT but not hopeless 0:52:22 - Wrong Question which assumes an international order 0:52:44 - 1st point (system was permitted to decay) 0:54:35 - The Q is : Why stick to the nonexistent ? 0:55:03 - 0:56:03 - 2nd point Geo-politics with neighbors 0:57:00 - Perceives a threat 0:57:45 - Russia seeks rules change w/o World War : A positive 0:58:00 - Can-Rus relations 0:58:52 - Incentives on each side 0:58:56 - Then and now 0:59:35 - Our fault and their fault : No plan no future shock-absorb-rules 0:59:48 - Our old policies (HAMMER ) ___________ (But the new, Almost-free Russia) ___________ we treated as if the historic, Czar-One-man-rule (NAIL) __________________ [Someone, scholarly, also noticed. I feel better]. 1:00:05 - 1:00:49 - One problem: Hostage of Ukraine minority 1:01:40 - 1:02:18 - In conclusion 1:02:38 - Confront not harmony (Big enemy outside distracts from inept inside) 1:02:45 - Declared (by inept inside) was putting trust in West (outside) 1:02:53 - Yeltsin 1990's . . . Today (public-line) do it to West as they did it to Russia 1:04:49 - Russia will mirror not what West has done to Russia ___________ BUT what Russia dreams the West - did, does, will do - to Russia. 1:04:55 - Same with the West. We dream too. . 1:06:10 - Q & A

[@jstanley011]

Russia's GDP is behind Italy and Brazil. Overcoming Russia's demographic deficit after the country's best and the brightest perished in the gulags is a project that will take generations.

[@danielhutchinson6604]

The US seems to confine some of the best and brightest in the US are confined to reservations. What is your point?

[@Odyssey-y3s]

A surprise from 2024: Top 15 countries by GDP in 2024 1. United States: $25.43 trillion 2. China: $14.72 trillion 3. Japan: $4.25 trillion 4. Germany: $3.85 trillion 5. India: $3.41 trillion 6. United Kingdom: $2.67 trillion 7. France: $2.63 trillion 8. Russia: $2.24 trillion 9. Canada: $2.16 trillion 10. Italy: $2.04 trillion 11. Brazil: $1.92 trillion 12. Australia: $1.69 trillion 13. South Korea: $1.67 trillion 14. Mexico: $1.46 trillion 15. Spain: $1.41 trillion

[@Odyssey-y3s]

@@jstanley011 Russia’s GDP is ahead of Italy and Brazil in 2024

[@siegavi18]

Most crucial three minutes: 1:23:16-1:26:17

[@user-ru8wg9di1l]

Kotkin wins the debate

[@vinm300]

22:00 "Russia's belief in its special place and power" I'm reminded of Fall of Eagles when the Tsar sends his fleet to sort out the Japanese , "those little fellows", and we all know how the Battle of Tsushima ended up : a turkey shoot. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tsushima

[@pdd60absorbed12]

A basic part of the adversarial nature of Russia vs West: more cheerleaders against the West among the civilian population in Russia compared to the number of Russian cheerleaders among the civilian population in the West. The fabricated Trump/Russia accusation has exacerbated this paradox. And who benefits? Russian strategists.

[@JMKeynes8491]

Everything Stephen Kotkin says about Russia accords with the narrative of the US State Department. I wonder why?

[@thevale2456]

Maybe because what he says is true, he’s been studying Russia all his life.

[@krzysztofsobolewski3749]

Piotr are you Russian agent?

[@iD-ne1eh]

It seems like!

[@lamprecchtm]

Are you an polish Stalker ?

[@jamesh8654]

What a “distinguished” long winded intro

[@DavenH]

I always skip these intros. I don't know why they're customary for lectures. Waste of everybody's time.

[@telluwide5553]

Had to ff through 15 minutes of boring to get to Kotkin.

[@vladislavzaytsev6883]

and why

[@vladislavzaytsev6883]

who is the boss

[@AndreAndFriends]

38 min. The best joke of the 21st century.

[@mirandac8712]

What does it say that this guy is legitimately more hilarious than any working comedian? (Okay, except two and three.)

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

On which planet? That was from the Borscht Belt of Kotkin's grandparents' generation; it's been run by Sicilians all his lifetime.

[@01denese]

Putin says NATO puts missiles in NATO countries that could be pointed at Russia. Pay is stagnant in the US too.

[@leechristy7003]

Kotkin says NATO is "not a threat" to Russia. At that point, he revealed himself as an ideologue himself as it's a plain lie. No wonder the Hoover Institution employs him as well.

[@maxovgrom]

@@leechristy7003 Wrong. Obviously no direct threat. At least much lower threat than its corruption, demorgaphy, wealth disproportion and lack of succession principle. In order to blur this real threats, you better inflate NATO threat. Good strategy to fool russians and to offshore hidrocarbon dollars flowing from those horrible NATO states

[@DJEDzTV]

The George Bush joke was good :D

[@HebaruSan]

Really more of a Moses joke

[@Odyssey-y3s]

The actual holodomor and genocide was happening in the British colonies, where the British government in general, and Churchill in particular, were responsible for more than 100 million deaths because of famine and the brutal exploitation. As it’s well documented, a series of Churchill’s decisions (in combination with his racism towards the indigenous peoples) between 1940 and 1944 directly and inevitably led to the deaths of some 3 million Indians. “Churchill’s secret war. The British empire and the ravaging of India during WWII” by Madhusree Mukerjee

[@DenofLore]

Great opening joke. Someone gets it.

[@vaultsjan]

Speaking of apologist

[@Odyssey-y3s]

International order? Do you mean the colonial Anglo-Saxon order? The actual international order is in Kazan today, where the leaders of the 45% of the world population are discussing the future of BRICS.

[@goedelite]

I heard nothing in the introduction to the two speakers that spoke of fairness in assessing the situation of Russia with regard to the expansion of NATO to the Russian border. I heard nothing that hinted at any acceptance of blame for the Ukrainian civil war, the destruction of the legitimate government of Ukraine in 2014 by the EU and the US support for a fascist coup in Kiev. There is no reason for me to believe that what was coming from the guest speakers would be anything better than the same neocon generated propaganda.

[@neilhillis9858]

What a load of stupid nonsense. Russia is to blame for the Ukrainian civil war, the US supported but by no means started, nor were they the driving force in it at any point. The overthrown Putin-puppet deserved what he got, and Putin will get his as soon as Russians decide they don't need a boot on their neck.

[@neilhillis9858]

*US supported but by no means started nor drove the Maidan protests.

[@alvarogines6788]

russia will always survive. infinite resources and small population

[@listener523]

Oh, like Canada.

[@annexcanada9987]

Canada will be subsumed by the US. Russia will never be a world power again. 1991 was the end.

[@SuperRash67]

When dealing with Russia, the U.S government hires advisors like this guy. That is why their policy's towards Russia have been huge failures. This guy is clueless (Kotkin).

[@memishelkin8055]

They tried to brainwash Americans for so long! Pathological liars now believe themselves

[@KingDerp69]

Why is he clueless?

[@broquestwarsneeder7617]

S Rasko, wow, what a helpful useful comment; must have some clear-cut well-argued reasoning behind it, just not important enough to either articulate, or maybe too obvious to even bother stating. Thanks, "S Rasko", i'm sure *you* of all people have the correct idea.

[@Surokh]

S Rasko Kotkin generally i believe bases his opinion on history and pragmatist geopolitical thinking. He rarely goes into any sort of propaganda and his arguments stem from academic knowledge. I agree that the fearmongering sentiment in the west is bad. Russia should not be feared and the west should be more confident in committing to proxy wars.

[@echo1174]

Surokh - I agree with you here. I think a lot of assumptions are being made here concerning what Kotkin is saying, He's not just repeating what's in the mainstream. His ideas don't come from Propaganda at all and I've heard him pick apart what gets said about Russia in the American mainstream. It's quite hard to contradict a lot of his ideas because they come from Russia's archives and from inside Russia itself and not from popular ideas in Western gossip and Tabloids. Russia's view of the 'West' seems to me to be based on ideas that come from inside the 'West' itself. Western critics of Western Foreign policy. Also when the Russian Authorities [No one is talking about the Russian people] say 'West' they mean something geographical, they have an East/West - Us/Them narrative but, when the West describes itself, for the most part, 'The West' is supposed to mean something cultural. Japan and South Korea are 'Western' in their style and tradition concerning matters of Governance. It's a Culture that has been built on philosophies and a Judaeo/Christian religious tradition that come from the 'East' and has drawn influence from science, Astrology and mathematics that come from the Eastern world both the Middle East and the Arab world and it's traditions and also China in particular. What we now call the Western tradition has come from Roman and Greek history, philosophy, mythology and legend, traditions and rule of law Western Europeans found in the Middle Eastern Libraries.

[@aksekhiddelll8900]

ditch the french, it is an insult to canadians

[@wsg4847]

Can't just do a speech on topic, has to do anti-Trump.

[@valentino1000]

Occasionally, he has defended Trump.

[@DavenH]

Trump is one of the foremost individuals on the world stage. He's also a bit of a dummy. So, anti-trump is just a normal logical consequence.

[@Piper44LMF]

@@DavenH Trump was the biggest joke. He treated the presidency like his failed reality (not real) show. While he gave conservatives what they wanted in terms of judges and tax cuts he failed to govern. All he cared about was his name in lights and creating controversy. Instead of taking care of things he played the same game the authoritarians play and he was a failure. "Make America Great" all he did was make us into a joke and every conservative that has sworn fealty to him are not fit to represent the people. Worship him all you want. He made 2 assessments that were correct and one was about some NATO nations not fulfilling their agreement. Of course he followed it up saying we were footing the bill which NOT how it works. His 2nd assessment imo was the trade with China but here to he failed to understand that Tariffs don't hurt the exporter the hurt the importer and the consumer. He failed at business and has been bamboozling everyone for decades. So he's not a "bit" of a dummy he was an embarrassment. He also lost an election to boot and isn't man enough to accept it

[@normanbravo8438]

Too much partial point of view, my endurance last until minute 13

[@svendbosanvovski4241]

You should have stayed longer.

[@pullmanjr]

Putin did not invade Ukrainian but sent volunteer mercenaries like USA does everywhere. If the Russian army invaded they would be in Poland in two weeks

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

At least six lies in two sentences.

[@bridge12582]

hmmm

[@HebaruSan]

Poland in two weeks, eh? It's rare that history gives us such a perfect disproof of a comment, kind of oddly satisfying in a way.

[@nicholashomyak2473]

I like Russia and they are after all humans peopling from Russia..I prefer Soviet Culture rather than our form of corruption no health plan subsidized by the common or reasonable rents, food prices..Capitalism is not free however its exploitation and waste, pollution and fantasy

[@oneiroy]

Sorry to spoil it to you but Soviet Union was no paradise either. Jokes about multy year queues and gulag were some of the not many ways to comment the Soviet reality. Imho western European style social capitalism is the closest to the idealised version many think USSR represented.

[@edtwardus180]

Who is this guy Dutkiewicz?

[@jhance11]

Oh my God, please get her the stage