Putter Fitting - Face Balanced or Toe Hang

[@michaelg6658]

This guy is completely like me. Multiple high dollar putters, constantly changing back and forth, out to in almost fade biased putter stroke. Very good video for me to watch. Great job Ian!

[@MikesaBhoy]

For me, these transformational videos are my fav content you produce. The bombs and club reviews are fun and all, but the visible difference in these is so good. Could watch this all day. Also - for any skeptics, the results you see in this video are the real-deal. My first fitting experience was a putter fit from Ian. Dropped about 4 strokes after that one club change alone.

[@Jaijay35]

Great job, more putter fitting videos with handicap players would be greatly appreciated. Excellent work Ian.

[@rp6163]

We love putter fitting videos. TXG owns this space.

[@ww-oo7ic]

What's Nick's ebay handle? I suspect there is going to be a putter fire sale coming up here shortly! Great video.

[@kane1928]

Most important club in the bag, most important fit. Nice work!

[@seancook2264]

I know the feeling. I have 7 putters from heel shafted Nappa style full toe hang to Newport flow neck part toe hang to Spider Ghost face balanced. 33”-35”. Had a putter fitting on SAM putt lab. Now with a Phantom X 8.5 with low bend slight toe hang. Loving it.

[@brettrobbins5182]

Got fitted on the Quitic at TXG. Very informative. Results suggested keeping my putter, slight decrease in loft. Through blind luck I had the correct putter all along! 🤷‍♂️

[@121jgw]

Hi. Was just curious how much does it cost for the fitting session?

[@garrickmusic]

I was just there (TXG Toronto) recently for a putter-fitting with Cam. I also chose an E7 although I had already kind of decided before I booked the fitting that I likely wanted an Evnroll after doing a lot of research on putters. I just wasn't sure about "blade or mallet?" I had a no-name blade putter with a rubber insert for the last 25 years that I found in a store somewhere for cheap and I've putted quite decently with it since but I figured I could do with a little new technology on the green. I had a fitter local to me do some re-fitting on my old putter and after analysing my stroke he told me he thought I was more suited to a mallet (he doesn't sell clubs, he just does fittings and adjustments). I didn't tell Cam that at the start of the session as to not prejudice him and I brought my old putter with me, but Cam basically told me the exact same thing. We did try several other big name blades and mallets AND other Evnrolls that were all tempting but the E7 seemed to perform the best of everything for me and I am REALLY loving it so far. Many more of my putts from 25 to even 45 feet are finishing in "tap-in" range instead of 4-5 foot "knee knockers". I am seriously considering fitting the other clubs in my bag at TXG before the start of next season. Thanks for the great experience!

[@whogg0521]

Ian, I realize you were filming this, but the way you work with your customers should be the standard for all fitters. Great job!

[@ianfrasergolf]

whogg0521 the easiest part about filming episodes like this is that I just forget we’re even filming. This is just another fitting like every other at TXG. Really appreciate your kind words and support!! 🙌🏻

[@whogg0521]

@@ianfrasergolf For sure, and the ease you work with people shows all the time, so I am confident it is how you always are. Hard to fake the funk, brother. Have a good one.

[@NovaScene]

I have viewed this video like 3 times now and I am really starting to understand how significant improvement this actually was, amazing results from Ian's fitting. I shot a 4 over par round last week with 36 putts and would probably benefit off this so much 🤔

[@norwegianwarhound451]

Great stuff! Been a firm believer in putter fitting so much so that I had one years ago before all of the cameras and software. Would love to revisit this with the new technology! Look forward to more of this!

[@caysonfletcher1089]

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[@jaxonatlas1592]

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[@caysonfletcher1089]

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[@caysonfletcher1089]

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[@jaxonatlas1592]

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[@jeremyrepp6544]

Nick, my man! Looking forward to your results.

[@michaelficarro2591]

Had a full bag fitting at txg at the end of June and the putter fitting was a huge eye opener....

[@L1GHTHECANDLE]

I have the same Evnroll er.7 it’s awesome. The groove technology is very noticeable. My putting stats improved this year.

[@peterlund6495]

Fantastic video Ian great insight into a Putter fitting

[@bobbykrechuniak8875]

Always like seeing the putter fitting videos, gives a really unique insight seeing as no one else really does it

[@ryanredding6396]

Love the feel of those EVNROLL putters. Very nice.

[@icey_shanks]

So happy for a THPer to get to experience this, awesome data as well. Now I wonder if he could putt of a bud can with it!

[@bradwells2360]

Awesome job there Pringles!!! THP! THP!

[@bmathis26]

Awesome video! And more in the putter studio can’t wait! Wish you would have told us how you got to 33.5” for putter length... that’s the most confusing part is I have been fit twice and gave me 2 different lengths... looking forward to more videos in the putt lab!

[@MrWkendwarrior]

Brandon Mathis agreed...all the metrics are nice.....but HOW to determine optimal putter length imo is most important!

[@Raymond-sj7cn]

Putter fitting is so forgotten ...many take something from a rack , make some putts on the putting mat in the shop and take it home. For me the edel putter fitting I got for my 50th birthday was a real eyeopener. Started with my own Scotty Newport and that showed that I aimed right high...than build the putter from the ground up. When I got the putter that aimed right on the hole we went outside and there the putter weight was build up while putting on the real putter green. Another great video 👍🏽

[@gimbalair]

Raymond Poublon I love my Edel, it has transformed my scoring, but people scoffed at £400, saying I was a mug, whilst they spent £450 on a driver they hit at most 14 times in 18 holes. Driving for show, putting for dough. I average

[@Raymond-sj7cn]

andy wallace Hi Andy, totally agree. And the price difference between a Scotty Cameron of the rack and a custom fitted and custom build Edel putter is almost none. And customer service of Edel is top notch also 👍🏽👏🏽

[@stephendibari7704]

I have an Evnroll ER2 for 2 years!! Recently had Stability shaft installed by them in Texas, and they were able to get 44 degrees of toe hang (at 3 deg. Flat , 67 degrees) which is 2x the OEM !! Best putter I’ve ever owned !!

[@russellmagsanide]

What’s your height? I’m see if I justify that same 3 degrees flat lie angle

[@jeremystafford8374]

Really useful information , enjoyed the insight. Thanks for your efforts

[@CraigalFun]

Evnroll ER5B here 🙌 2 degrees of loft, 34". I'm 6ft 2. Start line is back for me with the shorter length. I've tried EVERYTHING. But finally happy now

[@bseely772]

Great video!

[@chrisfreitag2603]

Great video in helping differentiate between face balanced or toe hang. What would impact be of adding Gravity grip and/or stability shaft to the optimal putter for him?

[@reynftw]

More putting fittings please!

[@banditbaker1675]

As ever Ian thanks for a Great fitting vid, Nick is a lucky Guy I really hope that he has finally got a Gamer!

[@anthonytodd5308]

looks like a new friend is coming home to play with the other boys!

[@rhickey83]

Great Video Ian like to see more putting video's. How much can grip size or type have an effect on the putting stroke. Do you take grip into account when fitting?

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

Basically, the Thicker the Grip the more It diminishes the effect of Toe Flow. Thinner enhances Toe Flow. If your "Miss Tendency" is to the "Push" side, "Thicker" brings you more to the "Pull" Side. If your "Miss Tendency" is to the "Pull" side, "Thicker" will Increase the "Pull" Miss. Conversely, "Thinner" moves you from "Pull" towards "Push".

[@ericc667]

would be interesting to see if his SC Golo gave him good numbers since those tend to be more face-balanced!

[@tylerfj24]

love my OG Golo

[@craigedga4r]

🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 as always. Waiting for Colin from Evnroll to sort out availability for NW in UK!!!!

[@yungkory7275]

Noticed he changed his grip when he had the Evnroll, no longer putting his pointer finger down the shaft. Was that something you told him to do, or was it a natural reaction to the putter? Interesting 🤔

[@wayward_points]

Kory Deavers Yes we adjusted my grip to help close the face more. Seemed to help out allowing the putter head to release without the finger down the shaft.

[@poondevo]

Can you please do video on CT and COR regarding Xander’s issue at the open? Please!

[@ianfrasergolf]

Josh Pepoon check out tonight’s live Q&A we addressed it for a few minutes.

[@gimbalair]

Fascinating, I was custom fit for an Edel and it’s a magic wand. But it wasn’t done on a machine of this nature, purely by eye and laser alignment. Their big selling point it toe up, but not sure why it helps me. At the end of the day, you still have to be able to read greens, and some breaks are so subtle you just cannot see them. I’m not thinking I. Should have my Edel verified using this method. What’s your thoughts on the Edel fitting system Ian?

[@dhartmann34]

If you solidify your putting with your ball striking, you'll be scratch soon. Can't wait to see that putter do some damage sir! We've got some scrambles coming up! 🙂

[@fergusreeverealestate.7409]

Been meaning to ask, How do you guys feel about Edel putters that are neither face or toe balanced, but are basically toe up? they call it torque balanced. The idea being it will help close the face better at impact- even more so than a face balanced putter. I tried one briefly in a shop and I’m planning on going to an Edel putter fitting nearby in the next month or two. I did some research online and their putter fitting seems to get very good reviews....they seem very thorough with all of their measuring and lining up with lasers etc etc. They also strongly promote the idea that most golfers would benefit from not having a line or sighting aid on top of the putter which is interesting. Would appreciate your thoughts (or anyone else’s) on this though before spending the money. It’s approx $400 for the fitting and cost of brand new custom putter.

[@jonm2522]

Wow 3 putts in a row with the new recommendd putter, I wonder where on the Gold Coast in Queensland Australia they would have thi service. This guy has a very nice stroke to begin with, he just missed with his original putter, I wonder how somone would go if they missed a cup to 2 left or right.

[@TenPester]

Is the ball skid at impact good or bad? I was always taught to hit the putt like a driver, and hit up on it to start it rolling.

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

Upward AoA along with Delofting the Face (Slight Forward Shaft Lean / Forward Press)

[@brbuche]

Do you want the putter to sit flat at address and during the stroke?, it appears he needed 1° more flat lie angle as the toe of the putter was up in the air. I did not really see any good discussion on dialing in the lie angle. Nice videos thanks.

[@gregorybarwick6431]

Hi guys, where are you based for a putter fitting?

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

Toronto, Canada.

[@Kcasstevens94]

So what was the difference between the last 2 putters? They both look face balanced.

[@jimnaz5267]

excellent resut. question though. the enviro is the most expwnsive of putters. are there putters with the same angles and weigts that are not so very costly. I know getting putting that good is worth it, but can it be had for under 200 dollars?

[@jjohnson8335]

What about balls? Should you be fitting putter with the ball you typically use?

[@christiant8948]

Ian, I would really appreciate it if you could provide a recommendation in terms of putters. Based on your suggestions I went ahead and used the Ping putter app to fit myself. Some outputs were. 6.2deg. Closing angle- slight arc Tempo-2.2 Lie angle recommendation- 2deg flat Shaft lean- -3deg hands in front. I currently use a Tommy Armour Impact #3 which is designed for SBST swing types. My miss is a push right (righty) and I miss short. I would love to correct it but struggling to interpret results. Understand that this isn’t your job but love the channel and would trust your guidance. Thanks!

[@stevencarrier5060]

Christian T how did you use the app? Do you have an old cradle or phone?

[@christiant8948]

Steven Carrier Something I suggest anyone do in order to use the app is scratch the idea of the cradle all together. You can simply take a rubber shaft lock you would normally use for grip changes etc... and cut it in half. I then glued that onto the plastic piece of a pop-socket so I wouldn’t have to scrap a cell phone case. This worked great and costed about $7 in material and 5min in labor.

[@stevencarrier5060]

Christian T thanks! I’ll try that this evening.

[@bryanduchane2371]

Never thought putting could be so technical!!! Always thought it was more of an art than a science

[@charlieboylol527]

Hi ,did the guy have slight ark in his putting stroke ,thanks

[@yoder9339]

Thoughts on the Rife gravity grip?

[@ianfrasergolf]

Jeffrey Yoder video coming on that soon!! 👍🏻

[@wayneball9079]

Question, do you ever get people to putt from different spots on the mat? I know the computer is set up from that spot but do they play around from different spots to see how they align

[@ianfrasergolf]

Wayne ball we often move closer to the hole to work on different lengths.

[@wayneball9079]

Ian Fraser was thinking more on an angle putt but the mat size probably doesn’t have much room to play with. Keep up the good work you do

[@dimwillow7113]

so a toe hang putter shouldnt toe hang(toe down) during the stroke?

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

Toe "HANG" effects Face Rotation, by slowing F R. Toe DOWN is Lie Angle, which is Static and can usually be adjusted *+* (more Upright) or *-* (Flatter) as much as 2°

[@Gbt31]

Ian, what shoes are those????

[@wpflynn1094]

Can you do a video on Lie Angle Balanced?

[@MrSig-ye8hq]

Those are all expensive putters. I also had a Scotty Select Squareback Custom, Toulon Long Island, and Cleveland Tfi 2135 Bronze 1.0. Dropped the Scotty, couldn't aim it. Pretty good with the Toulon but I have to work for it. Easiest putter to use is the cheap Cleveland TFI. The 2135 aim line helps me relax, speed control is great, makes trouble putts seem easy. Sometimes the "Bling" gets the best of us.

[@svu1374]

What did his loft end up at?

[@tableshaper4076]

ummmm, I thought the putter was suppose to remain as close to the putting surface as possible. Was there not a drill where you putt a dime off the top of another dime? Another great vid, you guys definitely make me think after most of the videos.

[@rawsick]

33.5"? curious how tall he is

[@charlieboylol527]

Hi ,can you let me know what Evnroll model it was , thanks

[@jimorr3252]

Needed to show length of putter and lie angle, to me the toe looked high?

[@hi2meb]

I’ve had a Evenroll putter for a year now, so good it feels like cheating!

[@danielmcgraw2319]

Why dont we see people changing putter weight position like we do in drivers....so many heal and toe removable weights in putters these days but always the same weight. Why not change weights to influence stroke path?

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

The "adjustable weights" are there to balance Overall Weight to Swingweight. The "Neck Style" attaching the Shaft to the Head has the most influence of Increasing or Decreasing Toe Flow. A Newport 2 and a Newport 2.5 are Identical in every aspect except "Neck" and that is why a 2.5 has MORE T F than a 2 Weight doesn't affect PATH. That is totally on the Player.

[@73henny]

Lovely putter but at the cost of those Evenroll sticks it'd need to hole every putt from 20 feet an in to be worth the cost.

[@OctaneAndAmmo]

ER7 is my gamer too.

[@jonathandavis6746]

Church of Porsche I went a few weeks ago and got fit for that too. Just waiting for one to buy on eBay.

[@AM-my3jk]

Always Toe Hang

[@txterbug]

“I lip a lot of putts out” 😂 it’s the putter bro!

[@Wesquire]

No reason to not go with lie angle balance

[@lelandhopkins2433]

He should of brought his putters with him

[@PbD187]

Halfway through he changes his grip. Starts off with index finger down the grip then stops doing it...

[@wayward_points]

Kyle Peebles it was a change that was recommended to me from Ian. He noticed that I was pushing with my right hand vs letting the putter head release. It was said off camera and has helped tremendously.

[@PbD187]

@@wayward_points Nice. Was curious if maybe you changed it with your current gamer if it would have changed the numbers?

[@Capco12]

Looks are important for a putter no doubt but this ain't a beauty contest. I didn't like the look of my Evnroll ER8 nearly as much as the gorgeous purple Betti Queen B6 during my fitting but the ER8 clearly won out in terms of holing putts and that was 3 years ago. Don't ever see myself getting another putter unless there's a massive putter tech breakthrough.

[@kcee4160]

No amateur is playing on 13’ stimpmeter greens regularly. 11 is maintainable, anything higher is unrealistic.

[@eyesopen9477]

K Cee Why’s that? A lot of clubs around me run 12-14 during summer

[@MrGlk]

@@eyesopen9477 A normal course green with standard foot traffic would die off if it was cut and rolled to 14. Also from an enjoyable standpoint, most 20+ handicappers would not enjoy putting off marble.

[@kcee4160]

Eyes Open then your course isn’t Stimping properly. 14’ on a flat area of the green would then become unplayable with a green with any amount of slope.

[@dhartmann34]

Definitely some courses here in Chicagoland that run 12-13 all summer long. Certainly not unrealistic at all.

[@papab3272]

@@kcee4160 Oakmont is consistently 14 on the flats and up to low 20's on the slopes and most of the greens there are basically all slope. You're right in that it's extremely hard to play, but I don't think you can say they don't know what they're doing. They set it up the way the members want it regardless of how difficult the results. I'd bet the same happens on many courses all around the world. Ultimately the members or people paying to play determine how the courses are set up.

[@bm2844]

4 putter around 500 each? Am I crazy for thinking this guy is crazy?

[@MrGlk]

Pretty sure he is typical of the golf, semi enthusiast market

[@bm2844]

@@MrGlk I sure hope not. I'd consider myself in that market and anyone following TXG is probably in that market. But equipment can only take you so far, get some lessons instead.

[@kourt2469]

If he bought them brand new than yes. I wouldn’t be surprised if he bought them off eBay or something.

[@gearbox1858]

People spend up to $10,000 for tour putters. This is peanuts 🥜

[@gavincharvey33]

Jeez ian, you talk to much, we know you have a lot of knowledge but excess info becomes boring after a while.

[@imracer05]

Minus the flight trip, about how much would this putter fitting cost? Rough estimates are okay.

[@reynftw]

More putting fittings please!