PVP Gameplay Assessment - The War Within

A review of how the gameplay of PVP has been progressing in The War Within beta.

[@Kurnhelios]

Is this a discussion on the state of PvP moving into TWW or a vod review of your own resto gameplay, or both?

[@DeifesFeia]

Rework enhancement

[@nebojsadjordjevic6768]

PROPERLY

[@mrbojangles6156]

@@DeifesFeia blasphemy!

[@angrygun7826]

Yeah as long as its not some corny 1 shot ranged melee with absurd self healing

[@keyanmoore916]

I'm mad ele has no access to totemic build it would be nice to have ele do damage with totems as well. Enh seems to have some interesting combos already

[@frieren848]

BRING BACK 2H ENHANCEMENT ONE SHOT TF CRITS BEAVIS STYLE!!

[@zhaejaro2069]

Surv hunter is the most fun spec I have ever played its in a really good spot heading into TWW

[@Venoc1986]

Been a Surv Main for a decade. Have you done any PVP on Beta yet?

[@zhaejaro2069]

@@Venoc1986 yeah that was actually me in the video I have played around 120 rounds of shuffle

[@Venoc1986]

@@zhaejaro2069 Nice!!! I seriously can't wait to play with the new talents.

[@zhaejaro2069]

@@Venoc1986 Yeah its has its good side and bad its really fun but there are a few things that are super annoying

[@Venoc1986]

@@zhaejaro2069 What things annoy you?

[@aura3393]

i hope with all my heart that the gameplay is a little bit slower than DF, i don't find it too fun, if people just get 1 shot, and I have no time to heal the damage done

[@xM0RT3Mx]

You had time to heal the damage done. Someone has to lose the game and sitting there dps botting eachother doesn't make for engaging gameplay.

[@zugdigitalx]

So they made resto druid a better disc priest....lol...

[@justlikeyourfathersaid]

No. Thats just beta numbers. Paladin and monk already does a lot damage and healing at the same time. Do you even play wow?

[@OGEETOMO]

@@[e-mail]983 Yeah, nah, that's actually what this looks like. They just made Resto Druid into a better Disc priest with AI healing.

[@clauslarsen8971]

​@@justlikeyourfathersaidyes, in melee...

[@Coheed420]

just so glad i won't have to do any more arenas with the solo rbgs coming

[@mrbojangles6156]

Druid of the claw is a cleave build for pve in my eyes. If you aren’t playing wildstalker in arenas you are crazy

[@krisumusic]

Agreed, Claw feels horrible. Wildstalker is "boring" but very strong for bleeds so it will like Shadowlands necrolord playstyle :)

[@mrbojangles6156]

@@krisumusic combine it with the self healing and kite ability feral has and it’s gonna be good

[@krisumusic]

@mrbojangles6156 yea that feels very strong! But I also love both ww and arms in the beta so it's gonna be a hard choice 🥲

[@deovolente1776]

I hate how they are trying to turn healers into dps. I would rather just play a dps then.

[@jeff230394]

Resto druids should not be able to spam dmg and that do enough healing. It should be risk and reward

[@hotchowder]

Yeah if healers are putting out too much damage its going to be a shit show.

[@HlghV0LTag3]

I'm ok with healers doing damage, IF hybrid healing gets buffed. Bring back boomie/ feral/ enha/ ele/ ret healing back n we good (SP alrdy doing well)

[@YouMayBeSeated]

Wow has a problem getting people to heal so the solution they found was make it even harder by giving them a dps rotation to do while still healing. Makes sense…

[@avirian6589]

How is spamming moonfire "harder" than healing on rdruid in Dragonflight currently? Don't type if you don't know what you're talking about.

[@YouMayBeSeated]

@@avirian6589 Literally one class example… but if Resto is doing that much damage, it means every other healing spec is going to have to do the same to compete in Arena. Also it’s more than just spamming Moonfire and Wrath. You also have to know when it’s okay to do so and not. Adds a layer of complexity that is not needed for specs already severely lacking due to difficulty in PvP.

[@avirian6589]

@@YouMayBeSeated Is "healing being hard" why there's a shortage of healers? Or is it because of the MMR discrepancy, no communication in SS (which makes it incredibly harder than 2/3's) and unfun nature of healing in general (always been a lack of healers since vanilla). I don't think adding moonfire/lightning bolt/whatever to your healing "rotation" is going to make it more difficult. Healing is difficult for sure, but it's not because of "weaving damage", it's because Dragonflight meta has been so incredibly bursty that one mistake loses you the game, whereas as a dps you can make 10 mistakes and still go 4/6.

[@lesguyse]

So, previously, my wife and I had to abandon do regular BGSs. Seemed like all we ever played against were these professional players teamed up with every possible ADDON bristling like a battleship. They became a tremendous turnoff as no one enjoys literally getting farmed like domestic catfish. We found some fun and successes doing the blitz's as a team providing one of us played a healer. All sound familiar? My question now is does this change take away that last bastion of fun for us? Sounds like the new blitz will force everyone to Q solo. BTW, if Blizzard ever came out with a game modality called WOW- Noaddon we'd be all over that.

[@ericmorlitz1689]

yes, bliz will most likely be soloque. maybe they will change it but i dont think so since u get an unfair advantage against anyone who isnt playing with a friend. and i know what u mean about the addons, it truly sucks but as long as theyre aviable ppl will abuse them and so should u if you are trying to play on the same field of knowledge as everyone else. u dont need a lot. best of luck to u guys

[@oliverpanhans6156]

i absolute dislike all these minions and pets i wish they wouldve removed the treants

[@derrickhead]

Yea I 100 percent agree I rather everyone be strong then slow mo I wanna see some ret solo q content tho

[@ndi88]

This dps healers concept seems aweful idea. But m+ opinion matters boys

[@AliveElement1122]

Can we get a single expansion without unga bunga mdps being an absolute freakin menace

[@SavageGameHawk]

naw melee dps should always do more than ranged imo they are RANGED after all which is inherently a huge advantage especially in group content. Melee stacks together ranged spreads out it makes sense.

[@derkaman123123]

Sucks that one hero talent will obviously be better even if less thematic, and everyone will just play the meta :(

[@THE_GRIMDAWG]

great video bud as always

[@mmonkeybone]

I realy hope they buff feral surviving im so sick of trying to get feral to work just to be trained the entire match iv had people harass me hard just for playing feral ....

[@farmerjoseph8683]

I didnt learn anything from this video besides you like to make fun of players and accept no blame on yourself

[@EpicShiba]

I dont like the idea of a resto druid doing this much dmg from range without casting. At least have em be in catform taking a risk and not also healing at the same time...

[@know_Name]

xoxox buff orc racial

[@Darthmagus]

"Pvp any good?" Bruh, people that do pvp in WoW must have issues irl

[@Ekomo95]

this healer dps give me ptbs from gushing wounds tbh im not a big fan of DPS healer

[@cci9459]

Awwww, new things scary? Awwww, missing the 2004 healer "gameplay" of spamming one button from 40 yards? Awwwww....

[@Ekomo95]

@@cci9459 na i like the fast gameplay but healer should heal XD

[@edwardhatfield5360]

Like the prenerf SL Holy Paladin just cracking ppl in the back of the head with a judgment for 25% of the targets health. Good times.

[@TheSergantwafflez]

Post Traumatic Butt Syndrome

[@justlikeyourfathersaid]

@@Ekomo95no. They can do more than that.

[@MoreOriginality]

Complains about having to pop cds to outheal 2 high dps class bursts. Then proceeds to force cds as a healer. I swear healers just want to afk

[@nickp090491]

No moonkin form? Does this mean I won't be able to flap on a tank in rbgs?

[@alexervin4321]

you ever listen to the info you put out here, I mean LISTEN. explains why WOW is a loser. look at the calculus involved to get the play. get back to basic algebra.

[@MorningCupOfTrades]

what is tree weaving?

[@cappm4201]

What about rated solo BG? Are you testing that system?

[@Keldante]

why would anyone play disc now?

[@Razaghuul]

where do you find best builds etc Supa?

[@SQLdb]

TLDR of all top tier pvp beta testers: Damage is awful / games too slow / way too much self healing going around.

[@Akatsuk1Tobi]

Thats great slower games are way more fun

[@SavageGameHawk]

@@Akatsuk1Tobi hell naw

[@eltonazevedo1361]

PvP in next exp TWW will be worst than shadowlands! they cant balance pvp because of M+ pve state! all classes are buffed and worked for pve side. this game lost the PvP balance and talents builds sense MoP was done! they need to give pvp talents rather than chosing pve talents to do pvp. i only care about pvp but they are forcing me to do PvE instead even with PvE talents. for pvp we deserved a talent tree based on it and pvp talents should never be a forcing *same talents* as extra talents! there are allot of talents that should be passive towards the class/specc and one of them is shattering throw should be baseline for all speccs of warrior class! there is allot warrior class *left side* talents that is worthless for pvp but we need to get them to advance forward to chose what is good for pvp side! and what they have done to warrior class and their hero talents was the most sadness and disgrace they ever came trough! they give you a hero talent tree with all your shit to fokuc on execute once again and still with all Class /specc talents for all execute forcing us to go for it still mortal strike hit harder than sudden death executes! and if u damage other target you lose the damage output u need to stack upon hitting the same target! blizzard dont have pvp players working in the game and this game is losing their fun because many pvp players cant have fun because of what they doing to the classes! retri paladins keep being the most broken class, Death Knights just came from the underground and now are hero class what they should had being from 4 expansions ago, and warrior is just the weakest dps from ALL the melees out there! they nerfed our anger management, they nerf bladestorm, they nerfed dragon roar and even the passive bleed afect, they nerfed avatar, they nerfed overpower scattering overpower talents across the arms tree and making us to sacrifice some important talents just to get overpower talents! in 19 years being at the top in pvp , i think i will step down and stop playing wow with my warrior! im done! these guys are delusional as fuck other classes get good reworks and good shit but warriors get nothing!

[@jonathancham7788]

damn right !!!

[@anannoyedpanda]

congratulations or I'm sorry.

[@eugenesternin6039]

PvP doesn’t bring money, so no point in spending effort

[@Darthmagus]

@@eugenesternin6039 of course it doesnt bring money, its just plain bad.

[@Avo7977]

How are Havoc looking in TWW PvP?

[@krisumusic]

Seems good, I got completely wrecked by a havoc on beta. They seemed tanky too. They got 2 vengeful retreats which I imagine people will be sad about xD

[@Avo7977]

@@krisumusic Right on. Yeah Havoc seems the better choice for a new player over Fury in terms of ROI on effort, survivability, and fun.

[@lucasskywalkercortez4533]

Can you play enhance in ss

[@Akatsuk1Tobi]

Fast damage profiles is very new player unfriendly , you contributing to the death of wow pvp by promoting it... please stop

[@StephenWilliamson-j5u]

pvp sucks in wow period. always will until someone cares about it is there.

[@Darthmagus]

They will never make it good since 0,2% of the playerbase does pvp and the 0,1% of that 0,2% does it for tmogs haha. PVP IS BAAAAD

[@Vengy_]

​. Gtfo of a pvp content video and go enjoy playing the snoozefest pve is. Make sure to look up your guide first on how to beat it. Just let us enjoy all we have left bro.

[@Darthmagus]

@@Vengy_ Saying our opinion doesn't mean you are not allowed to pvp bro

[@HKono_]

nerf shamans

[@Cyclone435]

Am sure if they make every class can one shot, everyone wana try pvp and it will look much better

[@cs4mo]

Welp anothe season of range classes being punching bags to warriors hunters and wws. Pass.

[@SavageGameHawk]

wahhhhhhhh

[@eugenesternin6039]

I really prefer to be one shoted by rogues in one GCD, rather than slapping ppl like a wet noodle for 30 minutes every arena.

[@angrygun7826]

Which class do you play?

[@Akatsuk1Tobi]

@@angrygun7826 probably rogue

[@eugenesternin6039]

@@angrygun7826 surv, ele

[@bogdanrotaru6101]

wait moonkin form is gone even for ballance?

[@BagelBoy3]

moonkin form is in the balance tree now instead of the druid tree so only balance druids can have it

[@markking5605]

algo

[@GUTAMAYAx]

Garbage S Coin. Get that crap out of here. It’s a Ponzi scheme/Scam just like the majority of other crypto projects.

[@l_Nightbot_l]

Still focusing on arena, ignoring this is an mmo? Then is still shit.

[@Supatease]

I don't know what you're expecting bro. Dragonflight had some of the best most fun world pvp I've ever experienced if you saw some of my highest viewed videos towards the start of the expansion. There isn't any world pvp to test atm but I assume it's just as good. The BG qs don't pop or I'd include more of them.

[@cci9459]

​@@Supateaseplese have my wow babies

[@mrbojangles6156]

@ArlotharI second this lol. Well said !

[@justlikeyourfathersaid]

What does this even mean? Lmao some of wow orbiters are such freaks. Try making some sense next time

[@anannoyedpanda]

Dude shut the hell up.