Pyro | What Makes Star Ciitzen's Second System Different

[@jakejewkes6688]

At this point the main difference I see is Stanton is playable and pyro is like the mystic space unicorn that no one knows if it’s real or some bs folklore

[@tropicthndr]

That’s why CIG is afraid to tell you how far away server meshing is, because Pyro is nothing without it, and certainly no gameplay is coming with it because of the load it puts on the server. Although CitConjob will show all kinds of fake gameplay. Maybe the Sandworm gets updated with some Vanduul riding on its back for Dune geeks.

[@Luciphell]

"Space Atlantis"

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

​@@tropicthndr is that why you shitposted on hundreds of videos over the last three years, about a Computer Game you dont like? Not a White Knight tho 😂

[@captainharlock3998]

@@Uncanny_Mountain We merely call CIG out on every lies they've told, promess broken. The only thing CIG was VERY consistent was missing deadlines and under delivering what they are pitching.

[@adawg3032]

@@captainharlock3998 People who blindly hate CIG and say star citizen is a scam are wrong objectively. People who don't criticize the mistakes CIG has made are also ignorant and therefore wrong. The reality is that star citizen is a special game that has more dev time in it than many other games and the goals that have been set are goals that no properly functioning and well seasoned game publisher would ever fork over big money to produce. In normal game dev economy the best way is to make a good game that people buy with as little investment as possible, for star citizen CIG actually benefits from developing more and more and more because they can set an unrealistic goal but since the playable game that star citizen is in its current state is so unique in its own right with functioning ship interiors and very up to date visuals is enough to entice many people who wish that FDEV had gone this realism route for immersion that CIG is actually delivering on, albeit they are not perfect and many things they have done have been botched and or fell apart completely. Star Citizen is unmatched by any game in the space sim space, no other game gives you the ability to walk around a ship while it is flying, you have no loading screens and the reality is that this kind of gameplay takes too much money to even make possible which is why no one else has done it up until a studio figured out how to turn a dime on long development as opposed to short.

[@romanwiller2180]

One thing I would love to see when they are ramping up to make Pyro go live is to have an in-game community event where you players have to transport building materials and such to the jump point ring construction site (or whatever structure they end up using for the jump points) and there are special missions to defend the site against incursions and theft, and to heal or render aid to "construction accidents" or something. Just integrate all the current "profession" gameplay loops into having the players build the jump point themselves. I think that would be a lot of fun.

[@extremepsych]

WarFrame does stuff like that and yes it is a awesome feature.

[@OneTwoMark]

The more this game does to make players work together and have different roles, the better. Is why I’m also holding out for multicrew gameplay.

[@uberfu]

Extra shitn they'd have to build out and extra time delay for releasing Pyro. Pass. Pyro is already years behind - we don't need anything new that will delay it more.

[@nemesis851_]

It was good to hear that we can choose to enter/exit different systems by non-JumpPoint locations. With taking the less travelled, longer, rougher route, I can now see how the Fuel Resupply ships would be useful and get game play.

[@jacksonbarkerthebluehairedfox]

I don't think that'd be possible to create new Jump Points. The lore states that they're naturally occurring space anomalies, not man-made wormholes to different star systems. The only jump points you can use are the ones that already exist (tho there's nothing that states players won't be able to discover new jump points).

[@uberfu]

Everybody enters the same place ... the exits are randomized.

[@jacksonbarkerthebluehairedfox]

@@uberfu That also brings up the question: Does this only apply to entering unclaimed systems like Pyro? Or is this the case for both claimed and unclaimed systems? Systems under the juristiction of seem to have a designated entry point with a big ol' "Welcome to [System Name]" sign and comlink coverage. So will getting spit out in a random spot be one way while its to a fixed spot the other way?

[@millamulisha]

Did you notice all the items from this year's citizencon 'goodiebag' were hugely hinting at pyro? :P

[@wafflesinsanity]

Bruh at 44:10 as the Herald literally 'screams' past. I love that shit.

[@jimflagg4009]

We don't even have Geo Markers (I guess Astro Markers in this case) so how would we explore for jump points?

[@mmgbtv]

They hire Clint Mansel to do their music? They def took his Leaving Earth track from Mass Effect for the game launcher. Hearing him again @43:11

[@arrclyde4325]

Actually they changed it a bit, Ruin Station is the main hub and the easiest part of Pyro to get to from the jumppoint. And that makes sense. Its like the main city, the main hub lige in Stanton revolves around. All gangs fighting over that specific station for piwer and control. Now.... "easy" is a realative term, as this is Pyro. But yes, Ruin station will be the first destination you go to when leaving the jumppoint. Even though "near" means a different thing in a system as large as Pyro. Still lots of way to get jumped at by pirate gangs. 😉

[@bigblakgaming]

The absence of law should be really felt, yes. Gang power is often maintained by a certain yupe of consistency shattered by arbitrary and seemingly random capriciousness. Power dynamics are often Manichean. Those that thrive from that environment should function with work models that would be impossible under a lawful system, and we should feel that all the way through.

[@LunaMoon0]

They need more than 1 JUMP Point to manage this amount of Players

[@STNeish]

So... how long does it take to go from system to system? One of the things I really like about the game is that it takes TIME to go places. I love that it can takes several minutes to go from one side of Stanton to the other (in fact, I put SLOWER drives in my ships), so I hoped it would take even longer to go to other systems.

[@uberfu]

@@0Boogiee0 Still didn't answer the question of time requirement to travel from Stanton to Pyro.

[@Robisme]

At this point CIGs strategy is wait for the first supporters to die of old age.

[@teemos2732]

Hey Tomato, at 55:22 we see the player entering a building in Pyro. Looks great - but one thing I've always wondered is why they put an airlock at the entrance. The guard who is standing on the outside, in front of the entrance is not wearing a helmet or breathing apparatus. So, the atmo must be breathable, no? Hence no need for an airlock. You think it's a screw-up on CIG's part, or intentional for good looks, or something else I've missed?

[@zninebiggs4911]

Precautionary possibly? with the future understanding how some environtments can change / be changed overtime (suchas global warming and ruining ozones) would be my best guess, Preparing for the worst, early

[@IXxJordan]

Airlocks arent always just purely for air pressure etc - in some scifi things, they use them as like a cleanser.. so maybe to clean people from duststorms or air pathogens?

[@cadmanfox]

The atmosphere is thinner and cold

[@TheRealMiniIsHere]

Having a wide point of exit will be needed to avoid greifing and easy pirating. Pirates can gamble locations fine but if its just specific spots then CIG handed pirates the loot and Greifers a flame thrower. We do need - a huge distance of randomised jump out points - security at the high patrolled area systems - no security as low patrolled areas So leaving "pyro" being chased off you might need the reinsurance they can't follow while red and if they do they have a risk of UEE being around to target them. So its not 100% safe escape but a good chance and if pirate follows they may luck out and face UEE or have luck and have no UEE around continue to chase

[@balsamicoschnapper2849]

Would you mind fixing the typo in the title? Ciitzen's --> Citizen's

[@lunarshteve]

I cant wait for my rover tarp they showed off in 2019.

[@bjovers1]

So with this pace, we'll see the finished star citizens universe about when our real universes last stars die.

[@Primarch_Corvus_Corax]

If we dont get a fire planet in the system called pyro im gonna be disappointed

[@OneTwoMark]

48:43 why don’t we have them clouds now? The ones we have are ugly as hell because of all The artifacts. But in this gameplay it doesn’t look faked, so why are they not implemented 2 years later?

[@cadmanfox]

There a many performance issues with having clouds too high res. They are still being worked on as well.

[@fillianplays]

Jeeez, how much time does it take you to prep footage for these videos? Well done!

[@EmilSosnin]

2 hour video on Pyro? LET'S GOOOO

[@evans.3720]

@space tomato too - it's not the peace sign, it's a derivative of 'pluck yew'

[@Dj3ndo]

Always love your video's man! Great content to listen to while working!

[@oliviercloet9130]

The time and effort put into these videos is amazing! Love your content man

[@redrumcoke2363]

06:52 The charade CIG creates for CITCONS is a problem. They intentionally try and show future "potential" locations and gameplay, that aren't even able to be used for these potential future locations and gameplay, due to tech limitations. It borders on being disingenuous and frankly, further pushes back the ACTUAL realization of the ACTUAL locations and mechanics, by pulling devs off the work they could be doing now, to help get the game there. I wish they'd stop with that. If CIG can't show us something new for a CITCON each year, of gameplay that "will/should" be coming, realistically, within that following year, then the developement of this monumental game, with all of its proposed locations and mechanics, is taking far too long to develope. How in the heck are we supposed to see 100 star systems in our lifetimes, for instance, if we don't start seeing at least a new one each year, with the actual number being developed ramping up over time?

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

_"Meeeeehhhhh"_ _"Everything is about meeeeee"_ _"My fee fees.... It's all about meeeee, I'm an expert"_

[@captainharlock3998]

@@Uncanny_Mountain As we're the one singlehandedly keeping them afloat, yes, it's ALL about us the backer. People already started voting with their wallets, they get desperate, try to find other methods of getting funds which will fail as well, until the company crashes and Star Citizen folds or CIG makes drastic changes in the way it develops the game. You can stay blind as much as you want but there is a clear and sharp change in the community as a whole as to how CIG is viewed.

[@rybuds47]

According to John Crew, an "expert" its going to take 17 years to produce the current concept capitol ships. 16 months for each one, his words not mine. Dont listen to that child replying to you. You are correct. Its time to look at this project without beer goggles.

[@redrumcoke2363]

@rybuds47 Classic YT comment section devolution into attacking the person and not the preface. Nothing substantive to rebut.

[@tevarinvagabond1192]

​@@rybuds47False lmao. He literally gave estimates for MAN HOURS. Do you know the difference? It means that every developer that works on a ship is ADDED TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER DEVS...so, if you have two devs with a normal eight hour shift, that's 16 man hours they spent on the ship for that day. The idea that it would take 16 years was just thrown around by ignorant dunces that didn't understand this

[@TypicalDutchSaysHi]

If they deliver, I will happily play it but until then, anything they show I take with a grain of salt. See it to believe it.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

You want a medal for thinking like normal people???

[@TypicalDutchSaysHi]

@@Uncanny_MountainYes please. I need to be entitled for this. And if you're busy arranging this, please add Wave 0 access.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

@@TypicalDutchSaysHi I don't believe you

[@extremepsych]

The talk about the building used for new posts and the different modules excites me for the "hopefully one day" homestead feature. I would love to be able to build a home..hell even a shack i could call mine and be able to upgrade to defend myself. Would be like Star "ARK" Citizen man! That is what i want most from SC. I am willing to wait, have been and will continue to be apart of this games build. It's actually an awesome feeling to see and watch this game being built and brought together by so many minds...and ideas.. this game will never be outdated. No way..thats like saying old shows like Star Wars will be outdated...shit! Heres to a future Homestead! CHEERS!

[@extremepsych]

I actually have a random spot on a planet that I pretend is my home. Lmao. Park and bed log there often. And due to PU...I have even decorated it...lmfao.

[@extremepsych]

Obviously the decor doesn't stay for long...but while I am playing which usually lasts for about 16 to 20 hours I do decorate that area. Just to clarify...man...a real homestead....

[@jacksheet1032]

NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF GAME DEVELOPMENT, HAS SO MUCH BEEN OWED, TO SO MANY, BY SO FEW!

[@uberfu]

PYRO OUTPOSTS vs STANTON OUTPOTS - I wonder if Tomato is aware that the Outposts in Stanton are placeholders like most everything else in game currently and that they will be replaced or updated eventually.

[@mcfiddles8814]

Let's see maybe Pyro is a dream and Stanton is there, sort of

[@0xC47P1C3]

I hope the main difference with Pryo is the danger and unknown as opposed to the governed Stanton system. It should be a place where higher level players go for higher stakes gameplay.

[@uberfu]

Hopefully no stop n frisk in Pyro either.

[@mikerentiers]

the biggest difference is one does not exist. The peace sign is palm out. the way it shown, the V is akin to the middle finger usually you toss it up from under your chin,

[@cptbrewski]

Those clouds over Pyro3 🤯

[@15ewolsey]

So, this doesn't make sense to me. So you don't come out at the jump point location? That would really make sense to me

[@andrewcosta5001]

Fire rats? Nah shoulf have been called the py-rodents

[@PkatsOG]

Its amazing that Pyro will be Huge, time to have slower Quantum Drives, that are much more efficient !!

[@the5starx]

3:32 lmfao 😂

[@digdug4123]

Paving the road to Pyro

[@EuroB0B1]

As time passes by its becoming increasingly difficult to argue against those that call this whole thing a scam. From the changes to who gets access to pre patch release to the multiple ships that are being sold without game play to support them. Such a shame its being mismanaged to this extent.

[@Star-Gazor]

Mismanaged and poorly handled doesn't mean it's a scam. Just means it's mismanaged and poorly handled, and you probably shouldn't sink money into it if you're concerned. A scam would be if they intentionally took peoples money, with no intent on trying to make a product. But, clearly they are making a product, just not one I'd put much money into at this point.. Now, if I start seeing super great things about this game, then 100% I'ma start giving them money, and I'll join ya'll in the world of Star Citizen o/ Edit: I saw they're doing stuff in China/Asia now too? Maybe getting in the Asian market will boost their money making so much so, that they'll be able to speed things up... I just hope it doesn't come with caviates, like making certain specific aspects of the game and world, solely for the CCP standards.. That would be a bad sign to me.

[@uberfu]

@@Star-Gazor They can always reach out to Tencent to back the project. They are typically hands off for the most part.

[@nebulajumper6216]

It is so mysterious that it is more a myth then reality

[@theknifesong]

We sorely need to see an actual release timeline for Pyro in the near future at CitizenCon. If it's taken them 11 years just to come close to releasing the second star system then I have serious doubts that we'll ever see more than a handful of them.

[@rybuds47]

I would be fine with one if they would use all the space to give us things to do. I feel like there is an insane ammount of unused space in Stanton.

[@BC_Joshie]

This is what you people do not understand and it baffles me. it hasn't taken them 11 years just to do that, they had to make to tech first to be able to do it... With the tech things will move faster. Same thing as chopping down a tree with an axe VS a chainsaw, with the tools it becomes faster. common sense really.

[@guynamedmaggi5520]

Isn't there something like over 100 systems planned lmao

[@IXxJordan]

I would imagine its somewhere between Jul - Sept 2024, with the current timeline. You dont know what side of the creation is holding them back, if its the back end (e.g Jump points / server stability) then cranking out other systems will exponentially speed up as more assets are made and the logistics are just copied over and changed. If its the asset / planetary creation that is the thing slowing them down then yea, it will become a problem for a long time

[@AKARazorback]

What makes it different? It's still not out. Hopium.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

You're here

[@carlosmagno4511]

Lengendas legenda legenda legenda legenfa ......................................................................................................................

[@titansquirrel4408]

Can't even imagine how long these videos take tomato to plan and record holy crap

[@romain13100]

They presented Pyro as if it were real and it worked, what will they invent this year?

[@deadlyhydra]

Ah Watching these make want to play SC Again

[@LunaMoon0]

I'll bet you two fries that system comes out this year

[@user-rw4xi8sm8h]

I know people want to be optimistic about Pyro, but its probably not going to be ready til fall 2025.

[@0Metatron]

If they actually make real tangible gang reputation that is what we need!! Not just lame mission rep

[@kevinm3751]

My biggest concern is what happens to the game when Chris Roberts dies of old age before the game is fully realised? Its crystal clear this game is going to be another 30 years before its close to done and we should be asking if there will be enough of the team left with the same dream as Chris to see it through? At the rate of development the players that will be playing this game when it comes out have not even been born yet!

[@AW-po7jr]

I think you are exagerating! Aren‘t you?

[@omar619kamis]

​@@AW-po7jrexaggerating how? It's 13 years and we barely have 1 system and it's barely functioning

[@AW-po7jr]

@@omar619kamiswell, they are doing the tech necessary for the whole game. It’s unfair to assume every System will take as long, as the first. But I also think there should be more by now.

[@darcoeurshapu148]

Love your content ❤

[@TheRealBillix]

Hey Tomato!😊

[@thereisnospoon3595]

I look forward to getting rid of Orison, I avoided that place. After seeing Starfield gameplay, I am more enthused about SC's future. I wish they would get the wipe over already, kinda holding me back right now to earn another $6 Million knowing it could be anytime. Or heck if they aren't going to wipe Rep at least I could rep up at Hurston on stuff, but no word yet on whats getting wiped.

[@luke5g230]

Cannot wait to be able to go to pyro 😍

[@chrissinclair8705]

That's not a peace sign it's the British way of giving the middle finger. Comes from the battle of Agincourt where British longbowmen would gesture that to the French signaling they had their draw fingers still because the French were so devastated by the Longbowmen, if they captured them they would cut off their draw fingers. Damn millennials...lol

[@TheStumafoo]

Thats about the frames you'll get when you go in.. 2fps, nothing works, npc's standing on a table or chair.. and a few npc's in jump point lost is space!!

[@dukeofhazard420]

Npc zipping through the wormhole with no suit on

[@AKARazorback]

Lore, law, narrative? Lol. All totally subject to change. They can't plan, or stick with their own story/ words.

[@tropicthndr]

So now that we know there are layoffs going on right now at CIG and everyone already knows their working on a shoe string workforce for Pyro system, what do think the likelihood of server meshing getting completed this year. Which is what Pyro has to have to begin with to be feasible. Well you know already, your either going to load your game in Pyro or Stanton, not being able to travel between either.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Well this is like the hundredth time youve shitposted a debunked rumor that went nowhere Sunk Cost Fallacy???

[@tevarinvagabond1192]

Um, so...this rumor came from SC Leaks (Pipeline), and they immediately debunked it after a couple of hours. Turns out that the person that replied to someone that did get laid off didn't even work at CIG...there's no mass layoffs

[@dukeofhazard420]

How about complaining about a real problem with the game and not something that’s completely false yeah?

[@Skjotr]

Biggest difference is it's non-existence

[@xXRainOfArrowsXx]

I calculated it, most ships in the game won't be able to fly from one end to the other let alone back, the fuel numbers right gonna have to be re balanced most of it makes no sense

[@BC_Joshie]

Why? obviously you refuel along the way. Cant drive around the world without getting more gas...

[@IXxJordan]

You arent supposed to be able to fly from one side to the other and back in everything, its supposed to artificially create the need for tankers like Starfarer or stop points / outposts

[@uberfu]

The Pyro sketches look like they were pulled directly from SW:Ep 1. I care that they're ripping off another property because CIG has been touting originality and elements like this are just scammed from other work that's already been done before contradicting their mantra of "originality". I'm NOT backing the game to play a SW title or ST title or BSG title or StarGate; I thougvht I was backing a game called Star Citizen. Can't wait for Disney or Paramount to come knocking - forcing CIG to waste more time and backer funds to make changes because something resembles intellectual property/

[@FuriousImp]

Ciitzen?

[@wanzhaf932]

unicorn pyro...

[@jrddoubleu514]

Shadowdeleted my witty yet contraversal comment.

[@mariusholtergrvdal7386]

I still think Asobo Studio made better weather systems in MSFS. I just dont know why every company need to invent the wheel them self. Why do they even use resources on something they could aquire...

[@skankhunt9078]

what do you mean pyro showcase was fake? i didnt know and i dont understand??! please someone explain. i am disappointed if its true i was very excited when they showed this

[@SeraphimSimu]

By fake, they mean shown in a heavily editted and controlled testing environment, not a live server like whats in SC. Every second we see is vetted, and it still barely functions.

[@uberfu]

PYRO BEING RUN BY GANGS - Even criminals must have some semblence of order otherwise if the bosses kill off enough minions - who TF will be left to run the scams and corruption - the bosses sure AF ain't going to do the dirty work. And all the support and maintenance required to sustain ships and food and weapons etc ... Whether it's constantly stolen and strockpiled or there are mechanics and farmers and food preppers ... it doesn't matter - the collective groups cannot be too disorganized or disfuinctioinal otherwise the people in the system die out from starvation and become stranded without supplies and die out > empty system. And throught he first 40 minutes (got to the writers) this video hasn't mentioned any of this - but the writers ahve in other clips over the years that there has to be some sort of infrastructure even in a chaotic system or the system breaks down.

[@uberfu]

Even the Taliban have a functional heirarchy. They have to eat and take a shit and bathe and wear clothing - mecidal - acquire and maintian vehciles and weapons and equipment - obtain ammunition and fuel. I eman Afghanistan is likely sitting on a shit ton of crude unrefined oil but it does the Taliban no good if they have nobody to refine or process or distribute it. No sense killing the guy that knows how to turn crude into gasoline.

[@KinoGoal]

bro i wait but now is unolayebel fro me

[@LCBChef18]

What makes pyro different? It doesn’t exist.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Just watched it in the video You ok bro?

[@LCBChef18]

@@Uncanny_Mountain I mean in-game bro. Lol seeing something in a video doesn’t mean it exists.

[@KinoGoal]

i have laptop whit i5 procesor and 3050 GTX and have 25 30 fps

[@cadmanfox]

Wait for vulcan renderer and future optimisations.. Performance sucks atm.

[@StarshipCaptainNemo]

Tomato. You also use wrong wording. FAKE means deceit, which they didn't do. They showed us with full transparency the state of Pyro they had back then, but then they realized something wouldn't work and they decided to work more on it and didn't include it in the shippable patches. Please don't call it FAKE. That triggers me everytime I hear it. I trust they showed it in best intent as a visual target how it might look with the information they had back then. That we didn't get that version is not mean intention, they just wanted let it ripe more and make it interesting instead of ship just that empty system it was back then.

[@AnitaPOE2]

That triggers you? Imagine how triggered you're gonna be when you realize it is, indeed...fake

[@StarshipCaptainNemo]

@@AnitaPOE2 I am not interested in Pyro. Not one bit. I know that the planets and gameloops I am interested in will come in about 5-10 years maybe. In the meantime I will have more than enough time to see other games come and go.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

​​@@AnitaPOE2 what could be more triggered than coming to SC videos looking for even the slightest hint of optimism and jumping all over it Sure sounds like triggered to me

[@AnitaPOE2]

You sound a lot like how i would sound if i took MDMA. Tell me how the future was once you got back. And dont forget your crystal ball.

[@claudemercier1226]

Soon nothing anymore.. they are bot even m type stars anymore .... so .... i would say same as stanton just without comm arrays and only 1 station in space ...

[@Pharesm]

worm holes... looks like colon cancer...

[@rock2k14]

Ugh, If bungie did the FPS for SC it would be awful, even bungie in their hayday were arcade shooter Devs, which would be awful in SC

[@Roboticus_Prime_RC]

XT would be the good guys if they weren't xenophobic. Lol

[@dukeofhazard420]

Basically 40k humans let’s go

[@Moritz817]

I am so tired of being lied to by CIG. I just hope, that someone capeable tries to limit the content creep, stops selling .jpgs of ships that wont be deliverd in less than 1 year and starts delivering on the gameplay loops we have been promised. I dont even care if they ever deliver pyro. The servers cant even handle one system correctly.

[@4jup4ter4]

Stop paying attention to the project.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Didnt happen Cool story tho

[@peregrinusfalco]

The graphics of Star Citizen allready looks dated.... when it is finished it will look like a pixel graphic game in comparison^^

[@Unlighted4K0]

People have been saying that for 10 years lol, they can always update graphics

[@4jup4ter4]

@@Unlighted4K0 Exactly.

[@lunarshteve]

​@@Unlighted4K0wouldn't updating graphics mean a new engine and that's no small job.

[@Phoenixstorm36]

@@lunarshteve A new engines makes new graphics easier, a old engine need more effort but in this case they can add new tech into their own engine because they created the engine by themself.

[@lunarshteve]

​@@Phoenixstorm36I thought it was the modified version of cry engine they use called lumberyard. I still think SC looks good but when it releases in a few years it will need an update.

[@edbashline]

The difference is one exists and the other doesnt. Meet me at levski folks.

[@r3kk3n54]

lol pyro soo hot you cant even see it