Pyrography for beginners | A quick guide for all you need to know

[@KingBespokeCreations]

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[@shenandoah113]

Can you tell me what machine you use please.

[@jessicalingo4346]

For those in USA they have the basic pyrography pens for about 26 or 27 usd. Works great. My walmart (I've seen these in several walmarts) has a pack of disks you can work on as well. You can get the tool and those disks for about 30 to 35 and technically have all you need for starters.

[@oldmanzen6682]

I used to do wood burning way, way back in the day when I was a kid. Cause back then, parents bought their sons tools to set fire to wood. The smell is all that I remember. Quite fondly.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Old Man Zen definitely start up again! Very relaxing 😌

[@tenderalvlock]

I’ve watched a ton of pyrography videos, for beginners, but yours has been the most helpful! Thank you!

[@KingBespokeCreations]

That’s great to hear, thanks. I hope you enjoy making some beautiful artwork.

[@SoSikCrimeUk]

Just starting my Pyrography journey as of 29.3.24 after my husband brought me a kit for my birthday so finding these videos very helpful thankyou

[@busterwest1644]

Literally sitting here with a pyrography machine just arrived in the post so started to check out how to use it to take my turned bowls and boxes to another level. This was the best video Ive seen and given at my level so it made a lot of sense. Thank you for taking the time to create and upload such a useful video.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Thank you, I’m so glad it helped 👍

[@josephcarney7655]

Greetings from Ireland. . I've started getting into pyrography, and yep I started on pine. I can draw quiet well freehand, and produced some nice stuff as a beginner . But pine off cuts from planks and I've planed them and sanded them but I now understand the grain pattern burns at varying depth of burning. You have explained things far better and straight to the point . So thank you for your information and look forward to learning more . Joe

[@truewrldseeker4004]

I use transfer paper just like this. I tried drawing straight on the wood but took much longer to get a stencil. I have been wood burning for a couple of years now. Never underestimate the use of colors added to your burns. Thanks for the video

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Thank you. I’m going to try colours in a burn soon!

[@Newgail]

I just started pyrography and I am doing birdhouses. I just want to tell you that this is the best of videos on this topic I have seen. I have watched plenty. You held my interest and for a beginner it was easy to understand your instruction. What was funny is when you said I could use a rubber to erase the carbon paper my eyes got wide. Luckily you translated, lol. Thank you for a great video, I subscribed and liked. I also ordered a copy of your book. One more thing, I sincerely like you. You give off some great vibes, nice human!! Have a blessed day!

[@KingBespokeCreations]

That’s so kind! Thank you very much. I hope you enjoy more of my videos and are inspired to more! 👍

[@charlottehewson9522]

A really good presentation on pyrography. Nice and clear, filmed well, good/relaxing music in the background nice Yorkshire accent and useful tips. Thank You! :-)

[@KingBespokeCreations]

My pleasure, I hope you find pyrography as relaxing as I do 👍

[@TheCWHatton]

Love your videos. Character, personality and sharing knowledge. Came here for the Great Guitar Buildoff. Sure to stay for the quality and genuine presentation. Cheers from Canada!

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Chris Hatton well hello Chris Hatton from Canada!

[@rev7verse14]

Brilliant video, a big thank you. God bless

[@jessicalingo4346]

I recently got into pyrography a few weeks ago. I got a super inexpensive wood burner from my local Walmart and some free wood from the local home depot scrap pile. The wood I got has a light of varying grain patterns so trying to do my projects that come out good has been a struggle. The soft parts of the wood vs the more harder parts. I can totally understand what you mean with the inconsistencies in the line work. It's been a good practice (to get me used to woods with different grain) and the pieces ive done on those wood pieces so far technically have only been practice but the people around me say they look fantastic even with the inconsistencies so that brings great joy. I'm also looking forward to being able to get better wood with less pronounced grain switches. Since I'm doing so good with the wood that is naturally difficult to work with I can't wait to see the results of the work I can do when it's easier wood. 😊

[@KingBespokeCreations]

That’s great. Well done. Everything is learning and growing. 👍

[@sweatycuddles9186]

Thank you for taking the time to make this video! Ordered my 1st kit earlier and should be here tomorrow; can't wait to get started!! PS: Loved the rubber/eraser moment! :D

[@KingBespokeCreations]

I know you’ll love it when you get going!

[@ItchyThirdEye-j6u]

I just took the plunge I'm not a drawer but what the heck you only live once. Definitely going to make that box. I like your no nonsense style and will be subscribing. Thank you.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

My pleasure Richard. I can’t draw with pencil or paints, but somehow the pyrography works out well!

[@jamiejohnson3957]

Just bought a box type wood burner after buying the pen type first, this video is full of great info mate! Thanks!

[@Vk-mm4lf]

Thank you for this video. Very clear and down to earth explanation. I subscribed and now will binge your videos to see what else I can learn.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Thank you very much Lynn!

[@calumbeaton9858]

Thanks from Scotland, having done three items with a set from a German supermarket chain I have found a creative bug and planning on getting an upgrade. I like the box where you house yours for ease of storage also love Bobba Fett.

[@davidm3569]

Thank you for an entertaining and informative video. I bought a book and now a basic set to try this art form out. 😀👍

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Awesome, you’ll love it 👍

[@heckmancs]

Started a few weeks ago with a basic walnut hollow versa tool, cause I didn't want to spend a load on a higher end set up and have found I love pyrography as it is quite therapeutic for me, gives me an outlet to create. May look into a set up like you have with the 2 pens and wire nibs, as I get impatient waiting on the tool to cool before changing tips. Btw, love your mandalorian on your piece, I did one myself and the project is posted on Instagram. Keep on keep'n on. 👍

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Thanks Chris. I agree, it is a very therapeutic activity. Extremely relaxing.

[@amina_19yo_lisa98]

Hi. I'm from Kazakhstan. You have a great job. I also recently started doing wood burning.👍

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Well done, I hope you enjoy it

[@positivecreations9304]

Me too bro kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqmlfqZvYqmAo5Y

[@SaucyTreasures]

Impressive description, you make pyrography look 'doable'. Thank you!

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Have a go!

[@johntartaglia2672]

Thank you for the inspirational introduction to pyrography.

[@philipedwardcaddick4294]

I started off with the soldering iron type to begin with which I did a head of a labourer for a friend who just lost his dog , then I bought one that a friend made that had two pens but it wasn't that powerful so the tips had to be quite thin . I've just bought another machine that uses a thicker wire and has a digital display but only one pen so can't wait to see how it performs

[@KingBespokeCreations]

You’ll love it!

[@desireayer]

Wow, this was great. Thank you so much for sharing this!

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Glad you enjoyed it 👍

[@davanders2006]

I am thinking about giving my grandsons a wood burner set. They are complaining about being bored to death on the land my daughter just bought. This should be able to bring out the artist inside them. Thanks for sharing

[@KingBespokeCreations]

David Anderson hope they enjoy it!

[@woutvandycke2214]

I was in a big struggle with my wood. I think it was to rough. Thank you for the tips! Great work!

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Hope you enjoy the next one

[@JScott-kf3se]

Very helpful! Thank You!

[@KingBespokeCreations]

My pleasure 👍

[@michaelluksich2162]

thank you for the very informative video. i am going to get a Colwood burner.....and only want a few tips....which ones would you recommend? you mentioned that you had a lot but only used a small number. thank you once again for sharing your knowledge, experience, and expertise.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Possibly three. A curved tip, triangular pointed tip and a longer straight tip for lines. Glad you liked it 👍

[@jenex123]

You really have a God given Talent

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Jennifer Gallagher why thank you xx

[@snackpack210]

I print using a laser printer (the kind that uses toner instead of ink) and transfer the image using a normal fabric iron on high. A little pressure and heat and the image transfers perfectly. Gotta be a little careful of warping with thinner woods. Takes a little trial and error but it's my go to.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Interesting, I’ve heard that’s possible but never tried it 👍

[@chefjasonperu]

Hi on the first wood Burning type. Do you have to unscrew the screw to allow for you to change the tip or do you just put the tip over the existing one

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Most are unscrew. Be careful of anything that just slips on as it could slip off! These things get hot!

[@chefjasonperu]

@@KingBespokeCreations thanks

[@quenuk]

Very informative & encouraging to all levels. As a beginner, yet to purchase a burning unit, it would have been helpful to see you use both the rigid tip (soldering) iron & the wire tip unit. I will look into your other videos to see if I can see the soldering iron being used...even though you sold me on the other! Great video & inspiring artwork.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Thank you! It works the same way but without the level of control. If the unit was set at one temperature you would get the same result.

[@rainbowgirl765]

Please can u do video using the soldering tool with tips.its a fixed heat and i cant find a video using this.i cant relate yr techniques bec im not using yr sophisticated machine.thank u

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Hi, most of the variation then comes from time in contact with the wood. Watch this video as the techniques are the same 👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bl61iHx5brl4jpo

[@davidsolinski2988]

Recent subscriber here. You're extremely talented sir :)

[@KingBespokeCreations]

David Solinski that’s very kind! Thank you. I hope you enjoy lots more content!

[@bertythemod]

On a rougher grain of wood, would sanding sealer help make a better burn surface?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

You’d have to try some. It would probably depend on the chemical nature and if the heat would react to it.

[@lyndajervis1333]

Good advice thankyou

[@harvey947]

Perfect music sounds like soaking music..great video I appreciate from Alabama

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Thanks Rick. Hope you enjoy some new art!

[@tinamckeage6665]

Thank u for this lesson.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

My pleasure

[@marie-pierbolduc5366]

Love your video! Really helpful thank you! 🤩

[@KingBespokeCreations]

My pleasure, glad it helped 👍

[@budlloyd3127]

awesome tutorial! thank you! subbed

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Cheers Bud!

[@paintingsbysavannahrae8503]

I love this so much. Thank you!

[@KingBespokeCreations]

That’s lovely, thanks. It really is a simple art form and very relaxing too!

[@samuelksg]

Hi would you please guide in buying (pyrograph and wood burning tools). Which brand or make to buy as an begginer. Thanks

[@KingBespokeCreations]

I wouldn’t recommend a specific brand because then the price really goes up! A quick search for the type I used will show the same model under a lot of different names as they all come out of the same factory. Just try and get the best price and enjoy !

[@paulchalmers-t9m]

New to this, enjoyed the video and found it very usful, can you give some info on the brand of machine please, as it looks very easy to use, does the brand iron and tips come with it?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

This is a Chinese make, so it comes in a variety of brand names! I get mine straight from Amazon. Yes all the tips come with it, though you’ll probably not use most of them!

[@bobicard2503]

Great video, I'm just starting out with pyrography with a Christmas present from my son. You wouldn't have plans for the box you made do you?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

@@bobicard2503 thanks, unfortunately no plans. All I did was lay out the pyro set on plywood and then glue pieces on. The same for the walls too. The lid I was working on was then cut to size and attached with a few hinges.

[@bobicard2503]

@@KingBespokeCreations k, thanks! should be able to make one fairly easily by looking at yours...

[@bbbernier]

Thank you!!

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Hope you enjoy it 👍

[@MyWarman]

bloody good video

[@KingBespokeCreations]

@@MyWarman why thank you Sir.

[@relaxedinspiration6735]

Great video ! New subscriber 👍 I actually came here hoping you'd show the burning of the mandalorian helmet ! 😬 getting a kit soon and a helmet burning would make a great present for someone I know ! Thanks for the great content 😊

[@KingBespokeCreations]

I’ll try get and get some more pyrography out there soon!

[@relaxedinspiration6735]

@@KingBespokeCreations Waiting eagerly! Love your delivery style!

[@MickNolan-ms5rw]

Any advice for ply board please

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Plywood is like any other wood, you have to try different types of face wood. Some will like burning and you’ll have a range, other won’t and will do nothing until black. I like plywoods as they are flat and stable.

[@MinMelancholy]

That guitar is sick

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Thanks! You can order a custom guitar or bass at any time from me 👍

[@michelemalenski8482]

Can you do a video showing the photo transfer to the wood?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Hi Michele, it’s literally placing carbon paper under the picture and drawing around the lines. Keep them light so they’re not visible when your done.

[@michelemalenski8482]

@@KingBespokeCreations okay that's what I've been doing, your looks so good!

[@erinf430]

Thank you for this video. It was extremely helpful. Liked and sub'd.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Very much appreciated 👍

[@mark64tanner]

Great info Chris. Loving the vids for the GGBO (teasing with that body sitting in the background 😉) All the best mate Take care 👍✌😎

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Mark Tanner thanks buddy. It’s interesting to see what else the GGBO followers will or won’t watch! Thanks for your support 👍

[@mark64tanner]

@@KingBespokeCreations going to start going through more of your stuff soon, see lots of good stuff there 👍 Great to see some really good channels making intelligent use of an opportunity and actually was part of the original intent of the event. Anything that builds a supportive constructive community of diverse individuals from all over the globe united with a common interest is something special in these times. Cheers mate 👍

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Mark Tanner God bless ya Mark

[@JBLANCHARD1085]

Do you seal your wood when you are done? If yes with what?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

@@JBLANCHARD1085 I quite often use a danish oil to finish my pieces. But you could use anything really.

[@ArturBrzozowski444]

Finally something I've done. I can agree that it's lots of fun! Even if you are using simple soldering iron.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Artur Brzozowski yep, such a relaxing pastime!

[@vietnamvet6474]

do you use any type of eraser to clean up the burn marks?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Not really. If there is a mistake or the burn is too dark, you would just sand it back. 👍

[@shenandoah113]

Hi there can you please tell me what pyrography machine you use and where to get it from please. Thank you Graham

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Hi, there’s a link in the description for the kit I still use 👍

[@shenandoah113]

Sorry I can't find it

[@shenandoah113]

Found it! Thank you 😊

[@KingBespokeCreations]

@@shenandoah113 here’s the uk link amzn.to/3LT800T And a global link amzn.to/3M6q089

[@maulanagaming175]

Terima kasih atas pembelajarannya

[@henryecheverria239]

Gracias felicitaciones y siempre adelante

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Gracias 🙏🏻

[@indigo-q7g]

Amazing thank you :) You make it look so easy! I took the plunge and tried this the other day for the first time, but burning the plywood gave off of a strong smell. Is it not toxic? thank you

[@KingBespokeCreations]

The only time I’ve had ‘none-wood’ smell from plywood is when I through some on the fire! With any wood you will get some some fumes/smoke. Try to keep your head out of the way or even use a very small fan. I’ve seen someone make one from a computer fan, but have felt the need myself.

[@Babyjohn8170]

I just discovered your channel today. I would love to know how you created the box to hold your wood-burning pens and nibs.😲😃👍

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Just using flat plywood and glueing thin battens in place to surround each piece. I made it before starting the channel! I’ll have to do another as a build project!

[@Babyjohn8170]

@@KingBespokeCreations absolutely! I think that would be a wonderful idea! You have a new subscriber. I can't wait to see that future video.😃👍

[@gordonallen8189]

Thanks from Canada, an international learner. I’m not sure how my “ rubber” will work. My manhood is a great handle but I hate splinters. Using it to rub carbon is a really sick idea. Lol

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Yes, international wording has become more important to me since starting KZbin! 😂

[@sylviagarcia722]

Hi very interesting where do you buy those tips you just showed us🙂

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Hi Sylvia, I have needed to buy any tips at all. They pretty much last forever and I tend to only two or three different shapes at the most. All the tips I have came with the set Try this set amzn.to/3hYp89z

[@Secbra1]

Hi great video, how is the burning kit you have like after a year of using it. Any issues? Thinking of getting one. Many thanks.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Still works perfectly. 👍

[@Secbra1]

@@KingBespokeCreations thank you

[@pre4122]

Is this Tre Cool? The drummer from Green day?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

I do like to hit things with sticks! But no I’m definitely not him! 😎

[@louisemissouri4410]

What about heating the glue on plywood, wouldn’t that be toxic?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

You need to set it on fire for toxins to be release. I’ve never smelt anything or had the layers delaminate. Pyrography burn is very localised and small, cooling off quickly. Hope this helps.

[@janetward9107]

Great tutorial thank you. Is plywood from a DIY shop safe to use?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Definitely as safe as any wood to burn with. You don’t want to breath in the smoke anyway but there is no more danger from plywood.

[@philliptabaldo9871]

Can you stain the wood after the burn?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Good question! Yes, obviously the surrounding wood will stain, but the burned sections will take stain depending how heavy the burn is. With a strong burn it almost ‘seals’ the wood. (Which is why ancient Japanese used it to preserve). It would give a lovely effect and make a lot of the burn really pop. Try it on a test piece and let me know what happens!

[@livinglovingvanlife]

My dad bought a wire tip burner and it came with a small bottle of oil could you please tell me what this might be for thank you

[@KingBespokeCreations]

@@livinglovingvanlife not sure? Is it a finishing oil? Never need any lubrication

[@toppertruthio]

nice work mate.the kit i just bought looks the same as yours but if i use it on the setting you used ,it glows red hot and smokes a lot.but i did use pine wood which i know is wrong.and the wires coming from the pens seems really warm as well...is this normal?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Any time my pen gets hot I check the connection with the tip. Sometimes the screw gets loose and the electric current stays in the pen. If the tip is glowing it needs turning down. Find out what numbers work with your machine. I’m sure it only takes a little change in the wiring to give a different effect

[@toppertruthio]

@@KingBespokeCreations Ok Thank you,im brand new to it,i know itll take a bit of practice.Thanks for the advice;)Ill give it a go

[@samara.morgan]

@@toppertruthio I have the same one and it goes red when I put voltage on red level, maybe you use a thin tip that gets red faster?

[@toppertruthio]

@@samara.morgan Yes maybe thats the difference,a thinner tip.ill look into it,cheers

[@juanmtzarellano]

How much was the box you got there?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

This one is around £60. The ‘pens’ are generally cheaper but not as versatile

[@janemurphy9541]

Just subscribed wonderfull

[@KingBespokeCreations]

@@janemurphy9541 thank you Jane!

[@rab46290]

What did you call an eraser? It sounded like Whopper. Just wondering. Never knew they were called something else.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

In the UK we call them a Rubber, which I believe means something else in the US!

[@crobles13]

if i stain the wood can i still burn on it or do i do it before the stain?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

I would go before the stain, just in case the heat reacts with the stain. Try a test piece first and see how you get on!

[@josephcarney7655]

Don't do what I did and worked over a pre stained piece of wood. The fumes where horrendous and it burned the stain or varnish. So it burned nicely in the wood 🪵burner.

[@JamesVanderVeen]

Have you ever tried using the pyrography tools from Razertip? They are a company based out of Canada near where I live. They are supposed to be really good.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

I used a cheap ‘pen’ style burner first then moved onto this setup. I’ll upgrade again when this dies!

[@greigdrennan8381]

Top video

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Thank you 👍

[@greigdrennan8381]

I have been doing burning two weeks it’s great I print my images on A4 quality tracking paper and the ink takes a while to dry so I press the image on the wood it’s a good way My be you could do a video on it thanks

[@KingBespokeCreations]

@@greigdrennan8381 thanks Greig. I’ll give that a try, I have a Dremel Versatip to test out soon

[@vietnamvet6474]

do you like this woodburning kit

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Yes it works very well.

[@janetward9107]

Can I just buy one type of nib/ tip instead of getting a whole lot of other type of nibs I will probably never use.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Not usually in a kit. You might be able to separately but I bet there expensive!

[@ahsap.ugraslar]

Congratulations. These are beautiful products. I also do wood burning. I'm waiting for my page.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Thank you 😊

[@mrfrontranger7911]

Calvary mount 👍🏻🙏

[@amyshaven4395]

What other types of wood do you suggest? You only mention plywood.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

You want to look for woods with very little grain pattern. Limewood /basswood is a very good start. But honestly just try different types

[@brendapoulson6910]

Video very informative, unfortunately I am quite hard of hearing and the background music at the beginning completely spoiled it for me. I wear hearing aids and tend to avoid videos where music is played. Hearing aids do not cut out background noise, so maybe either turn it down or better still why have it anyway?

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Thanks for your feedback Brenda. This video was very early in my KZbin journey and sound was an issue. I now try to keep music to none speaking sections only 👍

[@brendapoulson6910]

@@KingBespokeCreations so glad

[@positivecreations9304]

Good work.👍👍keep it up...

[@Sujihartoyo_channel]

bagus sekali

[@samara.morgan]

Wait, are you a lefty too? I have the same pyrograph, I believe it's the best of the cheapest ones on Aliexpress :) I haven't figured out using it yet, I just put one of flat, pointy tips on mine and tip started smoking on 130 I think 😬 It's a scary world for electrophobes!

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Usually if the tip gets hotter than expected, check the screws are tight. It might be shorting. Also, yes a lefty! (Mostly!)

[@samara.morgan]

@@KingBespokeCreations I'm not sure how tight is too tight, I don't want to ruin the thread :l And I don't know if it got hot, it started smoking right after I increased voltage so I turned it off and tried to tighten screws. Later I'll check if it works properly, thanks for your answer :)

[@KingBespokeCreations]

@@samara.morgan if the tip are brand new they may just need to ‘settle in’.

[@samara.morgan]

@@KingBespokeCreations I hope that's the case!

[@Joshkeane-iv2dj]

Hit ye with a sub this is the best beginning guide on KZbin so far

[@KingBespokeCreations]

That’s quite a statement! Thank you! 👍

[@cherokeesfinestindian]

Does it work for right hand folks too? Lol

[@KingBespokeCreations]

I think so 😂

[@grapefruitsimmons]

I swear ive gotten to the point where I can tell if someones british by their thumbnail 😂

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Now that’s a life skill! 😂

[@KULOTINO11]

У меня такой-же пирограф есть

[@ivdrip-r2r]

Dang man, didn't know David Cameron was so good at pyrography

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Well he’s got to be good at something! 😂

[@jkbaer3086]

Carbon paper! Ha! Let me ask my grandmother if she has any. Otherwise beautiful work.

[@KingBespokeCreations]

What’s the modern alternative? I’d love to know!

[@jkbaer3086]

I wasn’t saying there’s anything better, I just hadn’t heard anyone suggest using it for a while. You can print right onto the wood.

[@Lissibrennt]

🥰👌

[@KingBespokeCreations]

😁👍

[@ВыжиганиеСвоимиРуками]

Отличная работа!!!привет из России.заходите в гости я тоже выжигаю

[@kayakmaccaz9256]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇬🇧Subbed👍🏻🇬🇧

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Well thank you!

[@ВыжиганиеСвоимиРуками]

Очень круто,лайк.заходите в гости,я тоже выжигаю.

[@kimbachand1985]

As a beginner I did not find this to be helpful, because I just have the beginner wood burning pen you showed, so all the instructions you provided with your elaborate duel pen kit with adjustable heat was not helpful for me.

[@MickNolan-ms5rw]

Someone English at Last

[@KingBespokeCreations]

Brought to you by the land of common sense!

[@muitprazer]

why the annoying music

[@KingBespokeCreations]

This was very early in my KZbin path! We live and learn 👍