PyScript - Run Python in the Browser! THE END of JavaScript???

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Patrick Loeber

Patrick Loeber

2 жыл бұрын

PyScript is a framework that allows users to create Python applications in the browser using HTML. In this video we have a look at it and I show you how it works:
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@vectoralphaAI
@vectoralphaAI 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that its made by the Anaconda team puts me at ease that its here to stay and will only improve with time. Pretty awesome, the future of web dev is changing so fast.
@adnaanmansuri6151
@adnaanmansuri6151 2 жыл бұрын
gonna i
@p13i
@p13i 2 жыл бұрын
LOL same feeling
@kingleo429
@kingleo429 2 жыл бұрын
Long live the king
@kingleo429
@kingleo429 2 жыл бұрын
Long live the king
@jakubkoj1
@jakubkoj1 2 жыл бұрын
Its a cool project, but there is no way this is the future of web dev.
@RubixCubed3
@RubixCubed3 2 жыл бұрын
I dont think js is ever going away. There is just too much dependency on it. But the fact that this is even possible is very exciting. It will be interesting to see how this evolves. I see full stack Python webapps in the future.
@neociber24
@neociber24 2 жыл бұрын
Is just like C, you can't het rip of C
@NoName-kt3ny
@NoName-kt3ny 2 жыл бұрын
@@neociber24 Yes, you can not, there are still a lot of things are coded in C.
@apuji7555
@apuji7555 2 жыл бұрын
@@avid459 nope, web assembly isn't even meant to replace js, its means to work in performance-required places, and really only there.
@sparshgoyal231
@sparshgoyal231 2 жыл бұрын
I see Full-stack developers with no dependecies on Java or JS
@rand0mtv660
@rand0mtv660 2 жыл бұрын
@@avid459 People have been saying WASM will replace JS for years now. It won't happen for many years (if ever), even with expanded capabilities of WASM (DOM and IO).
@dydufjfbfnddhbxnddj83
@dydufjfbfnddhbxnddj83 2 жыл бұрын
i cant believe this, neither can i imagine the complexity of the code in the pyscript's CSS and JS files. These guys are real legends!
@ryanchowdhary965
@ryanchowdhary965 2 жыл бұрын
It's like saying Javascript will end tomorrow.
@edmondmovsisyan2224
@edmondmovsisyan2224 2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanchowdhary965 Definitely won't. JS was built from the ground up for browsers + the speed of JS is unmatched.
@soushi8885
@soushi8885 2 жыл бұрын
@@weakspirit_ I think WASM is build in complementarity with JS, not with the idea to replace it. For example, you can do most of your front end app in JS and use WASM (with Rust for example) only for critical parts.
@hasnaindev
@hasnaindev 2 жыл бұрын
I mean yeah but no. Any higher level language that you see is usually written in a medium or lower level language. PyScript is written in JS, nothing really surprising but imagine this, PyScript runs on JS, JS runs on V8, V8 is written in C++ and lets you do stuff. This is just an additional and unnecessary step. I really hope PyScript doesn't really become a thing. Right now, it's going to be slower even more than JS. For browsers to natively support this would take years if not a decade. Would've been better if the compiler was written in Web Assembly. Not sure how big or small the bundle size would be with Web Assembly though.
@Ricardoromero4444
@Ricardoromero4444 2 жыл бұрын
"The end of javascript" Is always coming according to everyone... but It's not going away anytime soon
@duckmasterflex
@duckmasterflex 2 жыл бұрын
Javascript will always be faster and leaner
@AndrewTSq
@AndrewTSq 2 жыл бұрын
@@duckmasterflex yeah, and python also eats alot of memory for me
@pliniojr95
@pliniojr95 2 жыл бұрын
I just started to learn JS to use it in front end. Imagine the frustration of learning a language and seeing it be replaced by another one within a short span of time.😂
@AmandeepSingh-cv5qz
@AmandeepSingh-cv5qz 2 жыл бұрын
@@pliniojr95 same here
@Ricardoromero4444
@Ricardoromero4444 2 жыл бұрын
@@pliniojr95 Don't worry man Js won't be replaced by anything anytime soon. Maybe in another 15 years... but by then we will all be coding in natural language or some weird visual interface
@k.chriscaldwell4141
@k.chriscaldwell4141 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely great video! Thanks. Thanks to the PyScript team, and associated, as well. This will be big down the road. And what an easy implementation.
@Ma1ne2
@Ma1ne2 2 жыл бұрын
This is a really cool project, but honestly the only reason I can see for using it is bringing awesome python libs like matplotlib, pandas, sympy etc. to the browser. For the rest I see no reason or need to use it, the javascript ecosystem is huge and powerful. Why would any frontend developer switch to the python apis if he or she is comfortable in the js apis? Only thing is that this makes the web more accessible for python developers and lowers the threshold to get started with frontend development for them. That's a good thing for sure, but it won't change the industry imo.
@zacharyelliott7161
@zacharyelliott7161 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think many professionals will but as someone almost competent at python and not good with php or js this is great.
@heroe1486
@heroe1486 2 жыл бұрын
For the same reasons tons of devs are using node on the backend while there isn't really any reason one would want his backend in JavaScript, they just want to only use one language for both be and fe. Well tons of people are still actually using python on the backend and switch to JS for the fe, if a framework like React with python was good enough I could see myself trying it. These days you actually write tons of logic in the front end so wanting python is natural and goes beyond the inability of some for writing js.
@Ma1ne2
@Ma1ne2 2 жыл бұрын
@@heroe1486 The only difference being that JavaScript is tightly integrated and standardised in the browser. The APIs developed over years, as well as the frameworks and libraries around it. It will take Python years or decades to catch up with this. It is based on a compilation to WebAssembly which is fast and great but also these binding have to develop over time and improve to reach the level of flexibility JavaScript offers today. I am just saying there is a lot of work to do and no real upside for any current web developer to switch. As I wrote in my first comment, that is not the case for new python developers coming to the frontend, which is great. But for them it will be a long way to establish the kind of ecosystem JavaScript has today.
@barodrinksbeer7484
@barodrinksbeer7484 2 жыл бұрын
I sort of agree. However, I would rather use R and Python together if I'm using data manipulation and visualization packages. R also already has a good foundation for HTML presentation through markdown.
@themathforyou
@themathforyou 2 жыл бұрын
There is another reason if python game developers wants to import their games to the online web.
@simonmafanye.3537
@simonmafanye.3537 2 жыл бұрын
Wish we could have a dedicated Python Frontend Framework..... Can't wait to experience that.
@SkyyySi
@SkyyySi 2 жыл бұрын
React.py, Vue.py, AngularPy, ... Oh no
@ryanchowdhary965
@ryanchowdhary965 2 жыл бұрын
@@SkyyySi *everyone liked that*
@codingcrashkurse6429
@codingcrashkurse6429 2 жыл бұрын
@@SkyyySi Well we will see how this works out. React etc. are quite advanced technologies with virtual dom usage and had a large community growing over years backed up by large corporations. I don´t see python killing JS in the browser so quickly. But I see some nice opportunities for libraries or frameworks for maybe smaller projects and small corporations with no frontend and backend teams. Everybody knows the title is clickbait a bit ;-)
@lutfiikbalmajid3128
@lutfiikbalmajid3128 2 жыл бұрын
@@SkyyySi oh no, i must be ready replace to react.py
@RikThePixel
@RikThePixel 2 жыл бұрын
0.0 Did I hear someone say Reacthon
@StarOnCheek
@StarOnCheek 2 жыл бұрын
instead of they should have ideally used but i do see how that was not possible assuming that the py-script tag is probably a web component
@PeterWang99
@PeterWang99 2 жыл бұрын
This would be many more characters to type, for beginners/novices. And we have many other web components, e.g. , , etc.
@rafagd
@rafagd 2 жыл бұрын
Well, is probably the most compliant way. Novices will be copying it anyway, number of characters is irrelevant.
@StarOnCheek
@StarOnCheek 2 жыл бұрын
@@rafagd true, I have not written raw html in a long time that I forgot about those. Can I edit my comment?
@unique-317
@unique-317 2 жыл бұрын
is how brython does it, also idk why people so excited about py-script, brython brings python to the browser and has existed for years
@deaddoctor
@deaddoctor 2 жыл бұрын
@Quezako I don't think it will ever be natively supported by browsers because Javascript and the huge economy of tools around it were developed over years and people tend to always just the most convenient way. Also, it's the professionals who change the industry and they already know how to use Javascript very well. At least that's my guess, but who knows?
@theaninova
@theaninova 2 жыл бұрын
I mean... I get it, for use cases where you really need specific Python packages... But not without some SERIOUS performance issues. This comes from just the Hello World Example 1. 290 kb of CSS and 300 kb of JS dependencies 2. 7 *MB* for the Python interpreter 3. 1.2 *MB* for dependencies Just for a Hello World example. Unless this gets built into browsers natively, you're absolutely gonna KILL your site's performance. Almost 9MB you can't get rid of is an INSANE amount of data, and on top you're running a Python interpreter in webassembly. Use sparingly when you have no alternatives left.
@G-33k
@G-33k 2 жыл бұрын
This is very exciting, Thank you for informing us about it, now as pythonistas we must contribute and build a community about pyscript :D
@krtirtho
@krtirtho 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations, now I can execute my DOM code more slowly🙂
@nethsarasandeepaelvitigala135
@nethsarasandeepaelvitigala135 2 жыл бұрын
@Marcus - you know Python is far slower than JS right? tell me you're joking
@khgytd
@khgytd 2 жыл бұрын
@@nethsarasandeepaelvitigala135 That actually depends, you can code modules using C python API that will increase speed close to compiled languages speed. Althought, i don't know if this is impacted, since this have a JS framework on the middle.
@ivanbgp
@ivanbgp 2 жыл бұрын
"It will take a few moments" ... I see we get the full python experience in the browser 😅
@lbb2rfarangkiinok
@lbb2rfarangkiinok 2 жыл бұрын
Muhahahahaha
@diegorocha2186
@diegorocha2186 2 жыл бұрын
They should invest more time in improving wasm so you can use wherever kind of language you're confortable with. Imagine if you could easily manipulate the DOM through wasm, this will really change web development!
@PutlerXLO
@PutlerXLO 2 жыл бұрын
Just imagine that you have been able to manipulate the DOM with normal JS for 25 years :D
@blendergaming1579
@blendergaming1579 2 жыл бұрын
It's just what we need! To know vanilla javascript, typescript, html, css, scss, styled components, react, next, angular, sql, document dbs, rest, graphql, linux, docker, cloud providers, python or bash, and other programming languages! How about something that simplifies web development instead of adding complexity and more skills employers want to add to their 100 item lists for developer and cloud jobs?
@mstalcup
@mstalcup 2 жыл бұрын
@@PutlerXLO Thank you!
@brymstoner
@brymstoner 2 жыл бұрын
imagine if you could just reverse proxy any language to a web page; oh wait, you already can.
@realalphabet
@realalphabet Жыл бұрын
It is already possible to retrieve a DOM node in Web Assembly from a JavaScript function. And native functions if you want, as long as there is a bridge to convert between data types. Allowing WebAssembly to execute native functions on its own would represent a technical security challenge. Not to mention the fact that it would be work for nothing. Because yes, the native functions would also have to be modified to support the WebAssembly equivalent, since these functions expect handles of JavaScript variables.
@rayanbilal6879
@rayanbilal6879 8 ай бұрын
Amazing tutorial, I spent 30 mins finding a tutorial that actually works. You are immensely underrated.
@admniyeokuyorsun...3044
@admniyeokuyorsun...3044 2 жыл бұрын
Developers: we want webassembly and faster page loads to eliminate the need of desktop development Also developers: lets add even a slower scripting language in another py2js interpretion layer and also don't allow the code to be minified for production since python relies on indentation. Also developers: we hate javascript but it pays the bills Personally: typescript, sass, nextjs and mongodb atlas or cockroachdb cloud for the win
@Hopp3rTx
@Hopp3rTx 2 жыл бұрын
scrolled down for this, 10/10
@7sete777
@7sete777 2 жыл бұрын
Tho I'm a JS developer, that is sooo cool. It'l not replace JS, but i think it will bring more ingenious Python programs (not focused on speed) to run on the web. I didn't think of the minifying/identation issue, tho replacing identation with \t might do the trick
@hasnaindev
@hasnaindev 2 жыл бұрын
"... and also don't allow the code to be minified for production since python relies on indentation." Damn!
@ehabaleid1093
@ehabaleid1093 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, very excited on what this becomes in a few years. Lot's of potential for big data visualizations.
@alexandrecostadosim6847
@alexandrecostadosim6847 2 жыл бұрын
When I think about python front end, components as objects comes to mind. PyScript reminds me Kivy in some ways, a great project that is always "experimental"
@sovereignlivingsoul
@sovereignlivingsoul 2 ай бұрын
i like the concept and will be attempting to implement it on my website in the near future, excellent introduction
@antoniopena1183
@antoniopena1183 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible. It's one of the best news I have had in these last two months. And it's also backed by a big and professional team, like Anaconda's one! Hope this video is watched by more ;)
@miletadulovic577
@miletadulovic577 2 жыл бұрын
Guys, before talking about how it can replace JS please check PyScript-s performance. Python by itself is kinda slow, and this makes it even slower. For example, it tasks about 1s to print current datetime. Also, why would data scientist need library for web? No, I don't think it will replace JS any time sooner, if ever. Also, I don't want to think about XSS attacks and similar stuff.
@AtomicCodeX
@AtomicCodeX 2 жыл бұрын
You said what I didn't feel like commenting
@dmsalomon
@dmsalomon 2 жыл бұрын
This is just a proof of concept. If the browsers decide to support if properly the performance will be better. Will it replace JS? Obviously not, but it could be very useful in certain applications, i.e. data science on the web. And WASM seems to be the future, but that is also still a long way away
@epochshot589
@epochshot589 2 жыл бұрын
@Bakunawa python is leagues faster in compilation speed then js, main because hoe the language is structured.
@nethsarasandeepaelvitigala135
@nethsarasandeepaelvitigala135 2 жыл бұрын
@@CanKorkmazim that dude is butthurt lol, he's sappming everywhere saying js is slow
@tomaslachmann171
@tomaslachmann171 2 жыл бұрын
So basically you write python, that's translated into javascript. Sure thing, that this is future, because js is already so fast to easily compile code and we need one extra step.
@ieatthighs
@ieatthighs 2 жыл бұрын
this is just stupid, it's basically a client side transpiller which is a horrible idea
@coffe7190
@coffe7190 2 жыл бұрын
@@ieatthighs you know what is horrible? js, what a shit programming language
@IvanRandomDude
@IvanRandomDude 2 жыл бұрын
WASM has been around for years and there are even Rust, C#, Kotlin etc. front end frameworks... and they did shit to JS. So short answer is no
@randyt700
@randyt700 2 жыл бұрын
i find your lack of faith disturbing.
@tommycard4569
@tommycard4569 2 жыл бұрын
@@randyt700 he's right tho... If someone is simply interested in "writing python", you can just use code mods to transform the python syntax to js. python has already been accessible to wasm for a while now, you don't see it often cuz it simply doesn't make sense for most things (especially at scale)...
@dragonsage6909
@dragonsage6909 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool, thanks for bringing this to my attention.. Digging in. Ty
@alexf4112
@alexf4112 Жыл бұрын
Super explained. Thank you. Just tried it out and it works.
@DocBobD
@DocBobD 2 жыл бұрын
I need to play with this. This is truly revolutionary if it does everything you say it does. Thanks for sharing
@benjaminscherrey1124
@benjaminscherrey1124 2 жыл бұрын
That's really great. Anaconda team keeps innovating!
@swaggitypigfig8413
@swaggitypigfig8413 2 жыл бұрын
Not the end of JavaScript for sure, but a cool project nonetheless.
@swaggitypigfig8413
@swaggitypigfig8413 2 жыл бұрын
@@scott_itall8638 Same here, but I don’t believe that it would ever be as performant as JS. Decades of work has gone into making JavaScript run as fast as possible on modern web browsers. That amount of work is not something that can be outperformed even in a whole decade, in my estimation.
@JS-ys2uk
@JS-ys2uk 2 жыл бұрын
@@swaggitypigfig8413 but I runs on webassembly, right? Have you ever seen the speed of a Blazor application?
@nonamepetko
@nonamepetko 2 жыл бұрын
@@JS-ys2uk from what I have seen it gets parsed from python to JavaScript from JavaScript to wasm this takes a whole 3 minutes to generate the code for print("Hello world") it may be fast when compiled but the compilation will take an eternity with anything with more than 1000 lines of code and you need to wait till all the shit compiles so it doesn't have something JIT at least yet....
@redymotion9991
@redymotion9991 2 жыл бұрын
@@scott_itall8638 javascript > python idc
@mohamedtrfnx6632
@mohamedtrfnx6632 2 жыл бұрын
@@nonamepetko no it gets compiled directly to wasm
@kibe2134
@kibe2134 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who works with both JavaScript and Python, I can assure you that even though this is a nice proof of concept, no front-end developer in their right mind would ever touch something like this. The JavaScript ecosystem is just so much more mature than Python's that it's basically impossible to catch up at this point. Think about the different between NPM and PIP. One is a proper packages manager, the other doesn't even handle requirement files decently. Other example would be, say, the import systems in both languages; JavaScript's is concise, efficient and easy to understand, meanwhile, Python's is a mess. I understand that a lot of people will always try to use anything for the web but JavaScript in the same way that americans will measure with anything but the metric system, but at some point they will have to understand that it is, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, the best language to build interfaces. Period. It's the language's purpose, and it's why people will use it everywhere. Web? JavaScript. Mobile? JavaScript with React Native or Cordova or Ionic. Desktop? JavaScript with Electron or Tauri or (who remembers?) NW.JS. I mean, if we're really being honest, the reason augmented reality is not mainstream os probably because there's no JavaScript frameworks for it. Don't get me wrong, I love Python, and as of now, it's my main source of income, but it's simply not meant to compete with JavaScript in the the things JavaScript is good at. TLDR; if I ever see a job offer from a company that has this in it's stack, I'll know to stay away from it, for they're clearly out of their minds.
@FilipCordas
@FilipCordas 2 жыл бұрын
Even if this Python in the browser is years old you can make a case for this not as a UI thing but as running backed stuff in your app. Things seam to be going the web components way that means a lot of UI frameworks will be usable for Python in the browser. Don't get me wrong Python is the worst language out there to use for anything so the issue not being a good way to do things has never been a problem for Python dev's. This should just work in Electron and Cordova and tauri... since it's just WebAssembly. And mixing JS and Python is already done in notebooks since most of the charts are just wrappers for JS plotting libraries.
@FriedMonkey362
@FriedMonkey362 2 жыл бұрын
The reason you probably get no bi1ches is because there is no JavaScript for it
@danielstill5625
@danielstill5625 2 жыл бұрын
What about just viewing this as a more flexible version of Jupyter notebooks? That was my impression when trying to today. The customisability HTML and CSS provides will enable a great UI for the output of python code.
@yukcoding4155
@yukcoding4155 2 жыл бұрын
As data analyst starter with web development background this is the wonderful world just run your whole projects in html without need to js
@happywednesday6741
@happywednesday6741 2 жыл бұрын
Cool rant. It will take a year or two to catch up if its adopted at python like scale. Not arguing if it's better, just arguing you underestimating just how popular python is.
@DanhWasHere
@DanhWasHere 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting find but the clickbait title is leading to a lot of dumb comments about Python replacing JS -it’s clear that this is a Python to JS compiler so JS will always be used as the end result. Just importing a bunch of Python files in the index.html file will get really hard to maintain and code-split which led to JS web frameworks and libraries being adopted and now widely used. So definitively JS is not being replaced by PScript and JS web development positions will not magically be replaced with Python. I know you understand it, it’s just for the annoying people always thinking there is some war of dominance for which language to rule them all. Best thing as usual to learn both JS and Python, and decide which one is best suited for your case. PScript will be super useful for Python data scientists wanting to create a website that is not just a hosted Jupiter notebook, and lots of other applications that will be exciting to see!
@underling-macha-greentea
@underling-macha-greentea 2 жыл бұрын
I believe it compiles to wasm/binary and not js, but correct me if I’m wrong. But you are right that WASM will not kill js, more and more web assembly projects come with functionality to fluidly use both together at the same time. This gives you the best of both worlds as you can leverage native js engines in the browser and wasm languages for complicated data science or physics engines (rust).
@astronemir
@astronemir 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t compile to js! It complies to HTML! Then Webpack takes care of the rest.
@PeterWang99
@PeterWang99 2 жыл бұрын
This is NOT a Python-to-JS compiler. This is *actual CPython*, but compiled to WebAssembly.
@irustv7674
@irustv7674 2 жыл бұрын
in not long future python kill js and react
@mansurhamidoff1853
@mansurhamidoff1853 2 жыл бұрын
@@irustv7674 It sounds very funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Only one who have no idea what is web ui development and javascript can talk such nonsense... Even php which has so many alternatives is not dead yet... JS has no alternative in web front end development. This is great tool... It's really great tool without any joke, but it will be useful for lazy python developers who don't want to strain their asses to learn js
@temal32
@temal32 2 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting so long for this!
@red_onex--x808
@red_onex--x808 2 жыл бұрын
Thx great info, just learning python and solidity / blockchain
@simonmafanye.3537
@simonmafanye.3537 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best thing I have seen so far. Thanks a lot for sharing.
@Diamond_Hanz
@Diamond_Hanz 2 жыл бұрын
oh.. i've been waiting for this!
@ankanbasu7381
@ankanbasu7381 2 жыл бұрын
cool informative video! what font and theme are u using in vs code ?
@xpkareem
@xpkareem 2 жыл бұрын
I guess I'd like to see more focus on just making python compile to webassembly really well.
@yuli2042
@yuli2042 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a python developer. I really hope the python community can instead focus on those actual important issues such as adding a null-chaining operator or a a functioning type system.
@codingcrashkurse6429
@codingcrashkurse6429 2 жыл бұрын
Well, Anaconda is the behind this project and they are heavily in Data Science world and this projects suits perfectly. a type System is something also would also really like, but this actually has to be driven by "money" like TS for JavaScript. I am even not sure if that´s even a thing discussed.
@paulthomann5544
@paulthomann5544 2 жыл бұрын
Hehe, nothing stopping you (as a member of the python community) from working on those.
@yuli2042
@yuli2042 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulthomann5544 There is. PEP 505 has not been accepted.
@srvazkez
@srvazkez 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing I cant wait to use :D
@jorge1869
@jorge1869 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I have a question, how will new packages be installed in pyscrit with pip?
@movieidiots5542
@movieidiots5542 2 жыл бұрын
This is game changing. If i had this 3 years ago, my clients project would have been finished in 1 month instead of 6.
@hannad
@hannad 2 жыл бұрын
All the computation it does in runtime to transpile and run python is ridiculous. No production app will ever use it
@movieidiots5542
@movieidiots5542 2 жыл бұрын
@@hannad Its a good point. I tested the pyscript library implementation. Its not that fast. it was good enough to send a message to the queue and process them. Nothing time sensitive was there.. We had to switch to webhook implementation to support python library to handle messages to devices. So adding extra server to handle the messeging queue was the effort which added our development time.
@AbinashAdhikari
@AbinashAdhikari 2 жыл бұрын
yeah it will be 10 times slower,
@hannad
@hannad 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a good project. But instead of runtime if there was a build step in between. Or server side rendering which runs python and outputs html and js that would still be a good option
@Misscrazy3957
@Misscrazy3957 2 жыл бұрын
Wow Sir, you made it simple for me, Thanks, thanks, thanks 🙏. This is super 😎.
@sadkebab
@sadkebab 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that we can run in the browser python through WASM is cool for trivial stuff but I don't know... There are already so many issues and concerns about bundle sizes and performance in all JavaScript frameworks that I can't imagine how messy it can get with PyScript if people will start to use it for general-purpose Web Development.
@hououinkyouma5372
@hououinkyouma5372 2 жыл бұрын
They won't. Not yet anyway. This will give AI/ML guys something new to tinker with, but I definitely don't see it being professionally used in web dev anytime soon. Especially given how you have to download an entire CPython interpretor for WASM on every single page refresh :/
@theregionals4210
@theregionals4210 Жыл бұрын
@Hrishikesh Malviy not on web
@theregionals4210
@theregionals4210 Жыл бұрын
@Hrishikesh Malviy both JavaScript and python are interpreted languages
@AxiomTutor
@AxiomTutor Жыл бұрын
This looks incredible!
@prodigyprogrammer3187
@prodigyprogrammer3187 2 жыл бұрын
This is a really interesting project
@algorithmic_mind
@algorithmic_mind 2 жыл бұрын
It's useful. Thanks 👍🏻
@nopetoyou8493
@nopetoyou8493 Жыл бұрын
thanks for your work!💗 (:
@mjj2u2
@mjj2u2 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Pleas consider making a follow-up with forms.
@b20lopez
@b20lopez Жыл бұрын
I am excited about this! I am trying to learn javascript but is having difficulties as there are so many variations on how to use Javascript
@jamblob3208
@jamblob3208 Жыл бұрын
I feel a bit like this. I see Python code looks more obvious than javascript but couldn't see how it opened except through what appeared to be advance level intuition of how to already do a real large amount of successful coding.
@Netrole
@Netrole 2 жыл бұрын
It is a nice idea and might be awesome for the hard core python fans. But my concern is that this sacrifices the user experience in exchange for dev experience, which is certainly the wrong way around. After all, each user has to download the python interpreter, and the code will run a lot slower than javascript, since python is not optimized by the browser. Additionally a lot of pythons performance comes from super fast packages like numpy that are written in C, however these are slowed down significantly through webassembly. Because under the hood webassembly uses the same VM code as javascript, so WebAssembly performance == JavaScript performance.
@benjaminscherrey1124
@benjaminscherrey1124 2 жыл бұрын
I think the point is that you can be a "full stack" web dev and need only code in Python. That's pretty amazing. No one is suggesting that all python apps should now run in a browser.
@I_Lemaire
@I_Lemaire 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminscherrey1124 No. You still need JS
@mohamedtrfnx6632
@mohamedtrfnx6632 2 жыл бұрын
no not every user has to download the python interpreter what are you on about and wtf do you mean by WebAssembly performance == JavaScript performance LOL
@Netrole
@Netrole 2 жыл бұрын
@Marcus - Yes and no, WASM has some performance benefits, but peak performance is the same as peak performance for JS. WASM is more consistent and it is easier to maintain peak performance, while javascript can have performance bailouts where it drops back to being interpreted which is a significant slowdown. WASM also has the performance benefit of compiler optimizations. Overall what i wanted to say though is, that WASM is significantly slower than the C implementations used in regular Python. And that a well written javascript implementation is just as fast. Actually a well written javascript implementation might be faster because it has access to the javascript "standard library" like Array.sort() which execute highly optimized assembler code in most browsers
@obed818
@obed818 2 жыл бұрын
Wow thats awesome 🤩
@lovaa5645
@lovaa5645 2 жыл бұрын
great it's exiting hope this will evolve
@noyo62110
@noyo62110 5 ай бұрын
Great ! Thank you !!!
@0xtz_
@0xtz_ 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing 👌
@subrtutorials1821
@subrtutorials1821 2 жыл бұрын
Just one thing to say.... awesome
@adada4u
@adada4u 2 жыл бұрын
This is really cool!
@fahnub
@fahnub 2 жыл бұрын
this is so cool. going to create so many new possibilities.
@rithirongk
@rithirongk 2 жыл бұрын
So excited!
@reality_sculptor
@reality_sculptor 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing! finally web assembly coming to developers
@nikilragav
@nikilragav 2 жыл бұрын
Since it uses pyiodide and webassembly, does that mean it uses SIMD instructions for numpy? That would be extremely important for performance. Can it also use the GPU for tensor flow / torch?
@Cityj0hn
@Cityj0hn 2 жыл бұрын
What! This is AMAZING.
@brancode404
@brancode404 2 жыл бұрын
I'm the first viewer and pressed the liked button :) BTW this is great news :)
@gritsteel4559
@gritsteel4559 2 жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC News ! Thanks
@tasmiatasrin9985
@tasmiatasrin9985 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing the basic ideas of Pyscript. Can you please also share how did you load Mario game environment using Pyscript?
@badass6300
@badass6300 2 жыл бұрын
You can also run C# in the browser thanks to Blazor and I'm pretty sure Java had an alternative as well.
@nikluz3807
@nikluz3807 2 жыл бұрын
I’m really excited to test this in the google scripting environment
@sparshgoyal231
@sparshgoyal231 2 жыл бұрын
I have recently started working on a project that require ML integration into a website and was struggling with how to embed my ML model in the web page without going through the hassle of Django or Flask. This is a life - saver! The work Anaconda is doing for python and its developers is just amazing and highly commendable! Thank you Anaconda!
@ashikmehermobin9926
@ashikmehermobin9926 2 жыл бұрын
I am so happy to hear this. Love for the anaconda People
@egelbets
@egelbets 2 жыл бұрын
Is it also possible to get data in a tag when rendering the HTML template? For example with Flask I can pass on variables into the render_template() function that I then can access in the template using Jinja. Can I also do this with pyscript?
@nickfla1
@nickfla1 2 жыл бұрын
code inside a pyscript is interpreted once the page has been loaded, so yes, as long as it's server side rendered
@madhankumar2051
@madhankumar2051 2 жыл бұрын
I can see this getting big , but def not replacing Java script
@mostafaseyedashor8768
@mostafaseyedashor8768 2 жыл бұрын
pretty interesting project! really like it.
@zakyvids6566
@zakyvids6566 2 жыл бұрын
This is awesome but what does it mean for the future of web development Obviously JS is not going anytime soon but what does it tell we should look for in terms of trends of web dev Thanks
@saravkumar8058
@saravkumar8058 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Great to hear this feature. Does PyScript support Chatterbot package? and if so how do we need to configure
@aminlee5
@aminlee5 2 жыл бұрын
What a good day to be alive !
@robbietorkelsonn8509
@robbietorkelsonn8509 Жыл бұрын
I think most of the people aren't understanding the true impact something like this would make possible: "In other words, PyScript allows you to use Python, with or without JavaScript, to build interactive websites that don’t necessarily have to communicate with a server. " In other words, you could have a photo sharing website, with nothing on the web server. Which means you don't need to login to flickr or instagram to do photo sharing, because there is no backend and the sharing could be done peer to peer (like torrents). Which also means you just need a directory on a server that just serves files, without any further intelligence. This has been an idea for a long time now.
@kafuialordo1193
@kafuialordo1193 2 жыл бұрын
Cool tool to build a more resilient Python focused application with, but NOT ending JavaScript in anyway.
@skejeton
@skejeton 2 жыл бұрын
Finally, a new way to make the pages slower
@kwlt7061
@kwlt7061 Жыл бұрын
I'm interested in your demonstration codes. But I don't know how to get the exact code you typed in the video clip here. Please let me know if you have extra moments. I like your works.
@ighsight
@ighsight 2 жыл бұрын
Bidirectional communication between Py and JS in the browser is intriguing. But, wondering how the vast speed superiority of JS over Py affects usability in the browser. Will say that the ability to use core Py libraries in the front end would also be really cool. All that being said, unless it is a special, required use case for a Py library in the browser a Py developer is better off learning and using JS. Factoring in being able to use Node compiled down to vanilla JS there is just no way you can replicate that speed and functionality with Py. Definitely a project to watch though.
@ighsight
@ighsight 2 жыл бұрын
​@Marcus - Are you confused? I said JS was much faster than Python. I know this for a fact from running the same serverless tasks in JS and Python. But was really thinking of the numerous speed tests on YT that prove that point. Maybe you misread?
@lua-nya
@lua-nya 11 ай бұрын
Python is slower in the browser to interact with the canvas because that's just how things are for Web assembly.
@happywednesday6741
@happywednesday6741 2 жыл бұрын
Oh damn web dev news that is actually exciting 🤩
@BillyT83
@BillyT83 2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome!
@mobilelegendbachaoibaba7875
@mobilelegendbachaoibaba7875 2 жыл бұрын
Can you show video of an OpenCV example of it?
@abimbolaobadare6691
@abimbolaobadare6691 2 жыл бұрын
I love your voice, I subbed
@viktorlalov3416
@viktorlalov3416 2 жыл бұрын
What VS Code theme do you use? Thanks in advance!
@barodrinksbeer7484
@barodrinksbeer7484 2 жыл бұрын
I took a look at it, its super interesting. However, right now it seems to much of a mixture of things, I still was using JS when I tried integrating a simple target practice game. I can see useful reasons to have Python integrated into HTML. However, I don't see this doing better then JavaScript.
@hououinkyouma5372
@hououinkyouma5372 2 жыл бұрын
Naturally. This is a prime example of "doing it because you can". Besides, downloading a huge CPython interpretor on every page refresh is just not following any of the web dev practices. I suppose this will give AI/ML guys some new things to tinker with, but it'll definitely not be used for web dev. Not yet anyway.
@JesviJonathan
@JesviJonathan 2 жыл бұрын
this excites me !
@wooden3ofclubs
@wooden3ofclubs 2 жыл бұрын
What color theme are you using?
@alessandroscimone5463
@alessandroscimone5463 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@4647540
@4647540 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome👍👏😊
@coinbotproduction2423
@coinbotproduction2423 2 жыл бұрын
7:52 I love how your exebrowns go up when the sound plays
@patloeber
@patloeber 2 жыл бұрын
haha
@ZadkielDower
@ZadkielDower 2 жыл бұрын
wow! What's next? Quantum computing in the browser... I see it in the future. this is very nice
@MdAlAmin-xj1km
@MdAlAmin-xj1km 22 күн бұрын
I use wordpress custom html block to add calculator any other thing that I built using html, css and js code. Now can we use pyton code also in wordpress?
@jamblob3208
@jamblob3208 Жыл бұрын
Very odd that those not able to learn how to use python stand alone can just use the functions and tools now yet apparently could not before. How was it appearing online before then? How did the code get results in browsers before? Any answers that might help me understand are great as I can see some simple code in Python but not otherwise how it operated except inside it's own environment.
@feechuong
@feechuong 2 жыл бұрын
What is the theme that you used for for vscode?
@btarg1
@btarg1 2 жыл бұрын
This will be super useful for people who don't like or know javascript, more options for web dev aside from JS is something I have always wanted!
@brymstoner
@brymstoner 2 жыл бұрын
there are already lots of options, my dude. explore more. you will see.
@kehindeogunrinola692
@kehindeogunrinola692 Жыл бұрын
😁 Maaan... You'll still have to write JS in this. Pyscript just takes care of Logic. Tell me, how would you work with WebAPIs? The W3C has its implementation fully in JavaScript. And that's what actually powers web applications, to be more precise, that's how the web communicates with the hardware.
@antonzizic3483
@antonzizic3483 2 жыл бұрын
wouaouw !! what crazy stuff is going to append within 2 years with this new tool ? python in the browser is a milestone for web developpers. It's a bit like if a second javascript was born but with an insanely large community already in place
@133sjassson8
@133sjassson8 Жыл бұрын
Does it uses Client-side or Server side CPU power? Is it possible to save server computation resource with this ?
@diegomartin5250
@diegomartin5250 2 жыл бұрын
Excelente!!!!!
@its_code
@its_code 2 жыл бұрын
WOW 😳😲 amazing 😍😍😍😘🤩💕💕 information. I just love this ❤️😍😍🤩 video........
@City__Walker
@City__Walker 2 жыл бұрын
Wow new era !!
@juandavidbarrerol1510
@juandavidbarrerol1510 2 жыл бұрын
woooooooow this is awesome !!!
@anjanavabiswas8835
@anjanavabiswas8835 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool :)
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