Q&A: Atheist Student Asks Why GOD Is Necessary For Meaning & Morality

[@lifeisgood5794]

The glaring flaw that I saw in this young man is that he thinks we are all good by nature. It's just the opposite, we are constantly struggling to be good.

[@inquisitive_stranger]

Why? I find it no problem to be a normal, "good" person.... How is it hard?

[@captainkrajick]

@@inquisitive_stranger what is good defined by?

[@JesseDriftwood]

@@captainkrajick There are several models of morality among philosophers that give varying definitions of good. My question to you is what's known as the Euthyphro dilemma. Is something good because god says so, or does god say so because it is good? To my understanding, if it's good because god says so, then it's ultimately a subjective good based on gods preferences. If god says its good because of external factors then this objective good exists just fine without god. Christians will often say that good is simply "the nature of god", but this doesn't tell us very much. How could we tell the difference between his nature being good or evil? How would you know if there was a god who wanted to deceive you? I'd love your honest answers to these questions by the way.

[@soulspiritghost2021]

​@@captainkrajickIt's defined by the effect certain behaviors have on society as a whole

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

Check out my recent video with Dr. Craig & Dr. Peterson addressing The Euthyphro dilemma ✌️

[@Fubizz12345]

Did anyone else hear this young man at the very end say “do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” He is literally taking the golden rule of the Bible and calling it human nature

[@JohnPaul-ol5zl]

Yeah. They claim such virtues as their own. No buddy, that's Gods.......go come up with your own.

[@williamgreenfield9991]

Sorry, just because the golden rule is in the Bible does not mean the Bible invented it. Some version of the golden rule is in every religion including those that predate Judaism/Christianity. Your religion did NOT INVENT MORALS!

[@soluschristus96]

​@@williamgreenfield9991prove it. Prove everything that's good that we have be it personal or as a civilization, prove that they did not come from God.

[@williamgreenfield9991]

@@soluschristus96 Morals existed before religion. Anthropologists have proven that and it's not my job to look up the studies of pre Judeo/Christian societies for you. As for proof, what proof do YOU have that morals come from a God? You can't even prove there is a God. The fact that I can't prove there isn't a God doesn't automatically mean that there is one. I also can't prove that the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, or Santa Claus don't exist. Does that mean that they do exist?

[@soversetile]

@@soluschristus96they can’t , “there is nothing new under the sun” is also a saying from the Bible 😂

[@matshepo_s]

Tony gives humans so much credit... Like no we're not as good as he thinks we are.

[@vi683a]

When there is no standard, everyone is good..... self love.

[@sweetxjc]

Yeah that’s because he lives in the West which is largely influenced by religious beliefs, theologians, and Christianity. Something of course some like to ignore, but if they went over to Iran, North Korea, studied African and Indian nations before they were colonized, he wouldn’t believe that people are intrinsically good.

[@rizdekd3912]

Why not? Why were we not made and maintained to be good on the whole?

[@gingercake0907]

⁠​⁠@@rizdekd3912God loved man so much he made man to have free will. God wants you to love Him freely. He will not twist your arm, torture you or make you love Him. You come to God through Jesus Christ because of your free will. You decide to love God. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever ( using free will) believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16.

[@bensonbrett30]

Where does this thought come from? Cycles of violence over material greed? Your own person al inability to let go of envy, greed, anger, revenge, etc?

[@Kbirson1]

How could anyone assert that humans are naturally good and universally agree to what that is having read anything about human history

[@daodejing81]

Our nature is good, at its essential state. At the essential state, we are emanations from God, from Light. The imperfections you speak of are not part of your essential state. Your spiritual practice is to burn away the impurities of ego with the fire of divine knowledge, acquired through meditation, an inward mindfulness.

[@nothing-xi3jq]

Exactly that. I'm surprised the speaker seems confused about this even though he is a believer.

[@holysmoke3201]

exactly what I was thinking!! How did atheistic morality wok in the communist nations?? Social ills increased dramatically - alcoholism, sexual assault, dishonesty/stealing you name it!!!

[@darkprinc979]

@@daodejing81 The Bible says otherwise. Romans 3:10-18 states: 10. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14. Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15. Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16. Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17. And the way of peace have they not known: 18. There is no fear of God before their eyes. The whole point to the gospel is that none of us are good, because if we were good then Jesus would not have had to die. Do you raise children to do good, or to do evil? Why do children need to be disciplined if human nature tends towards good?

[@CryptoBonsaiDogs]

How could anyone think that of God, having read the Bible? Deuteronomy 22:28-29; God’s punishment for the raping of a virgin is to pay her father 50 shekels of silver and marry her for life. The rapist was seen as ruining someone else’s property, not ruining a young girl’s life. Forcing a girl to marry her rapist and have her father accept some money as compensation is disgusting. 2 Samuel 7:11; God, through Nathan, says he is going to punish David’s affair with Bathsheba by making all of David’s wives prostitutes. God making David’s wives prostitutes, despite what His own law said, is not moral. Leviticus 26:29; God describes how he will punish people by making them eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters. Any God threatening to force people into cannibalism on their family is not moral. Joshua 6:20-21; God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men, women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys”. C’mon. Ruthlessly murdering all the women and children in a city is not moral. Deuteronomy 2:32-35; God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. Later in chapter 3:3-7, God commands they do the same to the city of Bashan. Killing children ain’t moral, dude. 1 Numbers 31:7-18; God decides to not kill everyone this time. This time, He commands the Israelites to kill all the Midianites except the virgins, whom they will take as spoils of war. Killing everyone besides virgins and using them as sex slaves isn’t moral. Genesis 7:21-23; God drowns the entire population of the earth (except for Noah and his family): men, women, and children, both born and unborn, because they were “evil”. I don’t know how unborn children could be evil, but whatever. Killing the entire population of earth, including innocent babies, is not moral. Judges 11:30-39; Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites. Jephthah is crazy for burning his daughter alive and God is crazy for allowing it. Child sacrifice is not moral. Deuteronomy 21:18-21; God demands we kill disobedient teenagers. Stoning disobedient children to death is not moral. Exodus 21:20-21, Colossians 3:22-24, Ephesians 6:5, 1 Peter 2:18; God legitimizes slavery by saying it’s okay to own slaves and to beat them. Slaves are told to obey their masters just as they would obey Jesus, even if their masters are harsh. God blatantly supports slavery. Supporting slavery is not moral.

[@ninpro188]

This reminds me of C S Lewis' argument against the Moral Law being simply our "herd instinct" (do to others as you would have them do to you). He used the example of a person who got tripped in a subway. If he was tripped by accident, he might get hurt, but would not hate the stranger who tripped him. On the other hand, if an actual attempt was made by the stranger to trip him, but failed, he would be mad at the stranger without even getting hurt; not because anything bad actually happened, but because there was an intent behind it. The moral law deals largely with intent. He also argued against the idea that humans are actually good by nature with another example: If an observer were to study human behavior without knowing our languages and without being human himself, his results would show no evidence that any such law ever existed. It goes to show just how bad we people are at following our own morals. I'd highly recommend to anyone looking at this to just read the first 5 chapters of "Mere Christianity." They're quite short, and will grant a wealth of simple but deep knowledge in the subject ;) (Plus, the book is free to read online, you can just download it)

[@Mister_Know_Name]

It's such a huge leap of faith to believe that people are not driven by natural morals without God in the sky, resurrection, Hell/heaven, Jesus, parting the red sea, Noah's ark and all the other fantastical stuff in the bible.

[@Vladimyrful]

I believe the whole audiobook is available here on KZbin as well.

[@ninpro188]

@justingary5322 Glad to hear you've come to the same conclusions in your research! Although I'd advise you not to simply rely on the evidence of God's existence to believe Christianity. In Romans 1-3 (a fantastic book for study), Paul made it clear that it's impossible to believe God doesn't exist, and that people can only try to deny Him out of fear and conviction. We literally come up with every feasible excuse to disbelieve in Someone Whom we know we've rebelled against, because we don't LIKE to retain Him in our knowledge (Rom1:28 KJV). In other words, don't believe in God because evidence points only towards Him. Believe in Him because He is the way, the truth, and the life, and because He doesn't have to say it for us to know it. When all is said and done, we have a choice: GOD, or ABSURDITY, because absurdity is the only thing you can wish to believe if you deny God. I praise God that you were able to find Him through what He has made, as He has shown Himself clearly since the creation of the world. I only challenge you not to believe in Him because of His creation, but to believe in Him because He is the one true God. As a side note, I responded to you here bc I don't use social media to any extent (save commenting on videos like this).

[@justin10292000]

​@@Mister_Know_Name Not "fantastical" to those of us with a Christian worldview! The greatest miracle of all is existence itself: Genesis 1:1.

[@Mister_Know_Name]

@@justin10292000 how would it not be fantastical? You can't even explain it scientifically without it being a form of miracle or magic.

[@askingwhyisfree7436]

The fact is that subjective meaning is what drove people to kill each other. "My meaning is more important than yours so I will do anything and everything to get it." That's the problem with subjectivity. You say people are nice to each other to survive? One nation needed resources so they took what other nations have to keep their own alive.

[@Stupidityindex]

The Christian is left to talk about rubbish among other believers because the sane don't bother wasting their time with ultimate questions, people reach a point, they don't ponder them. If there were a god, then would there be any demand for scripture interpretations using fantasyland vocabulary? These are the wolves in sheep's clothing, we know them by their works: Jesus says faith is worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing verbal orders to one. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, & there is misinformation as if God does not have a perfect record of doing nothing, as if we had no reason for the saying: God helps those helping themselves.

[@mustachemac5229]

Yep. Just like the people did in the Bible. They used their subjective option of God, claimed it was objective and then used that to justify the atrocities they knew were wrong.

[@tosuchino6465]

Nonsense. Religions that claim "objective morality" work exactly the same way. The "My religion is the right one, and thus my religion is more important than yours, so I will do anything and everything to make you subject to it" mindset has destroyed … how many people and cultures in human history? You and Turek are completely entrapped in this mindset, so you can't even see what you are saying is exactly what you are criticizing.

[@derekallen4568]

Objective morality allows slavery, selling your daughter into sexual slavery, having your disobedient children stoned and killing people that worked on the sabbath. Should I mention forcing a rape victim to marry her rapist. The Bible is a disgusting example of morality.

[@Actualchristianity]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@tosuchino6465 “I will do anything and everything to make you subject to it”…Because we all know Jesus instructs Christians to do that 😂 It’s so dishonest to say that dude.

[@omarbriseno5665]

Loving your channel brother. God bless you 🙏🏽

[@OpenMawProductions]

"Your life is meanignless" - Richard Dawkins. So, no. the natural end point of Atheism seems to be nihilism.

[@zyxwfish]

It is

[@kos-mos1127]

That natural end point of Atheism is existentialism.

[@jeremiclement5723]

Yes and Nietzsche was way ahead of Dawkins on that one. Nihilism logically follow atheism 100%

[@01MTodd]

I agree that atheism does entail moral nihilism. But that is not an argument against either position. They can both be true.

[@philiphumphrey1548]

If the material world we live in is all there is, then in 5 billion years or so the sun will turn into a red giant and it will either swallow or fry the Earth. Either way, nothing any of us ever does or says will make the slightest difference in the end. And it gets worse, there doesn't appear to be any place for free will in a purely material world. Atoms and molecules merely move from a high free energy state to the lowest one available in that environment. They don't have any way to choose what they do. So free will can only be an illusion in an atheist world, some prominent atheists like Susan Blackmore openly admit that. From that point of view, nothing we do is really "us" choosing - there is no good or evil, it's just stuff happening in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics.

[@hellodaviddunn]

I can see this guys wheels turning and I love where he’s going with it. He was also respectful but passionate. Honestly, if I was standing in a room full of people, I don’t know that I’d have the guts to stand there and state my case, especially after the loss of my friends. I’d be so mad at God and whoever was the representation of God. I hope this guy keeps going back to Frank’s meetups and asks more questions. Even though he’s wrestling, I (my own opinion) think he’s on the right track. Thanks for sharing this and thanks for the edit where you popped in and talked specifically about Jesus and how “our hours are short.” Good stuff man. Staying locked in from Oklahoma.

[@JohnPaul-ol5zl]

Agreed. It is refreshing to see an individual like this one asking questions and putting his views out there, without being disrespectful or disingenuous. Most non-believers come out with anger/hate and malice intent when speaking.

[@WheresWaldo05]

Why? We cannot live forever. So are you saying that whether an infant 3 days old or an old person 99 years old and everything in between that you would get mad at GOD for them having died? That makes zero logical sense. Of course we all are going to die. What does it matter how or why? And if you believed in GOD amd were not a self centered human being, you would understand this and also know they are only gone in flesh form.

[@JohnPaul-ol5zl]

@eldenwolflord they essentially want God to either have created humans as "Perfect" individuals in that they would be flawless robots programed to only do Good. Which I find a bit small minded and pointless at some point. And add that these individuals pushing such theology would not be ok if God at this moment decided to correct Mankind by removing all evil from their being to result in everyone being straight with ZERO possibility of desire to be LGBTQ+2. They wouldn't like that part of course. If I was a brilliant engineer that could create a robot of a child that is very similar to my human 5 year old son, that would be cool. But guess what, in reality the robot is no where as pleasant and loving as my human child even when my human child writes all over my wall with permanent marker. Or throws a toy and cracks the TV screen. I love my boy just as he is. Perfection in this world is not well thought out by these individuals that somehow believe they are Wiser than the Creator. I smile when I hear them stating that God is a fool. To not like or disagree with the Creator has done is one thing, but to think you can do better with your human self-centered philosophy is so funny.

[@hellodaviddunn]

@@WheresWaldo05 No, I never mentioned anything about an infant, old person, or everything in between. Where did you get that from? Are you asking why I would be mad at God, if I were in his position, that my friends committed suicide? Thanks for the reply.

[@thatonestickfigure5105]

Brother I've loved watching Turek's videos for a while and watching someone react and vilify his Q&A is very enlightening. Love you content.

[@bert7651]

I was a thief as a toddler and child. Theft is a crime that millions of adults commit.

[@Danno5894]

Thank you for the daily dose!

[@JesseDriftwood]

I don't understand how meaning could be objective if it's rooted in "his purposes". That means that your meaning is *subject* to god. Objective means true *independent* of mind. If you believe that god is or has some type of mind or if he has intentional states and desires, then it wouldn't be objective. You could say that maybe god is the source of ultimate meaning or morality, but I don't see how it's even coherent to call this objective.

[@Lee-sti8wrx]

That was a great video mate. Love what you added at the end. I've been watching your channel now for a couple of months and think you're doing a great job. Keep em coming man. God bless.

[@nomadicrecovery1586]

Found this today, thank you.... The Lord is coming,and, you cant find him without him drawing you.. He is drawing you.. Good work brother!!

[@Kezadome]

This young dude exposes how young minded and inexperienced he is in life.

[@jamesabar207]

Yet still courageous. Good for him.

[@DaveH8905]

100%. Only an atheist this young with this little life under his belt could say stuff like this and take himself seriously. Give him another 10-15 years and he won’t be saying the same things.

[@Friedrichsen]

@justingary5322 Try writing shorter comments

[@DaveH8905]

@justingary5322 tl;dr

[@lysanderofsparta3708]

Most atheists are simply naive about human nature and complacent in their ignorance of metaphysics.

[@driftingdandelion]

i’ve recently found God and put my trust in Jesus, i love watching your videos please keep on keepin on 🤍

[@marlonmorales8672]

He will surely know the default nature of a kid once he gets one.

[@billyholly]

Yep...and that is why Frank asked. LOL!

[@aang7295]

Kids are like little angels when you don’t look at them through the eyes of an idiot.

[@rizdekd3912]

What is the default nature of kids?

[@gingercake0907]

@@rizdekd3912 It might be that you don’t have to teach them to do wrong. My two year old got into box of cookies and of course left them out. When I asked him did you eat the cookies? No mommy he said with cookies crumbs all around his mouth.

[@billyholly]

@@rizdekd3912 As a teacher and party entertainer, (among other things), I would say self-centered and selfish for the most part. When I see a little kid sharing and being kind, it's so nice (and cute!)

[@Jet.Single]

How is he smart when he keeps contradicting himself and doesn’t even realize it? Please tell me that. Noticing or being able to recognize a contradiction is pretty straight forward.

[@holysmoke3201]

Intellectual coherence is a thing lol ;)

[@jamilgonzaga7081]

Is that another phrase for tunnel vision?

[@fadoo6869]

He can be smart and contradict himself. If he hasn’t had his views or ideas challenged, then he may not have seen the contradiction in them. That doesn’t mean he isn’t smart. I’d also add that even though he wasn’t nearly as open to new ideas, he had a willingness to engage with new information which is more than you can say for a lot of people. Seems like a smart thing to do.

[@Jet.Single]

@@fadoo6869 i equate being smart with being rational and sensible. Having Intellectual integrity. I guess he is smart. Smart people tend to have the ability to manipulate facts in order to fit their ideology.

[@waterpail5253]

He is just being arrogant and stubborn, often you find in so called ‘smart’ people which is different from being wise and born intelligent. These type of people actually are eager to become and seen smart by others, while people whom are born intelligent never have to contradict themselves as logic convinces them with just enough info given.

[@ElPolinizador]

Keep up the great work, Brandon. Awesome content man!

[@raphaelfeneje486]

LOL. This dude sounds like Christopher Hitchens. Nice video, sir. God bless your ministry 🙏❤️

[@EternallyLoved365]

I've never heard anyone refer to themselves as a meat robot 😂

[@zyxwfish]

Comments be disappearing for some reason 🤷‍♂️

[@5olas]

Without Christ you would go even as far as to define yourself as something you are not and call all others “bigot” for not affirming you.

[@kos-mos1127]

@@5olas I have never heard atheist refer to themselves as meat robots.

[@mustachemac5229]

I guess you don't watch too many of Frank's videos. Frank is the one that constantly refers to "meat robots". The kid was just poking at him a little bit by using Frank's own vocabulary.

[@EternallyLoved365]

@mustachemac5229 I just found his videos recently when a friend of mine said to look into his apologetics. I'm really enjoying his content and am glad it's being shared 😊

[@JB-su3eq]

I really like Tony. He's coming from a place of trying to figure things out and he has a very high amount of love for humanity in general. I really think it's a simple matter of experiencing human nature more first-hand through his own experiences. I wish him well and I think eventually he could grow to see.

[@rizdekd3912]

What would experiencing humans nature first hand tell him about the existence of god?

[@torrinmedia3998]

Weird comment but ok. What does experiencing human nature have to do with God. Human nature is sinful after Adam and Eve ate the apple from the tree according to the bible.

[@JB-su3eq]

@@rizdekd3912 It would tell him the truth.

[@rizdekd3912]

@@JB-su3eq "It would tell him the truth." What is the truth about god he can learn from human nature? It seems most here are claiming human nature is not good, but simultaneously contend God created humans in his (God's) own image. That should lead to humans being good by nature. If humans are bad by nature then either God is also 'bad' by nature or God created something that could be corrupted and a process/system/method that allowed the corruption to be passed down.

[@JB-su3eq]

@@rizdekd3912 Hello Riz. I hope all is well. Being made in Gods image Biblically speaking is not the same as being God. The nature of the Universe is as follows: Human beings do not, have never and will never create anything truly new in the Universe. We use elements of the Universe and reorganize them in ways that suit our survival and quality of life in modern terms. We have zero ability to call anything new into the Universe at all. We could never even think to add anything at all that is outside of the Universe to the Universe in order to enhance or alter it. We could never take anything out of the Universe either. In the truest sense of the word we are not creators. We are creative and we reorganize, the foundation being order, just as we are made with His likeness and in His image. We are not the Creator of anything. It was all already here. Free will is given to us to do with what we will. God is innocent and blameless. The commandments are not mere finger waves. They are fundamental truths of how we are made and how we function and we have the decision to make as to whether or not we decide to beat our heads against our very nature or if we submit to these truths. They are just as significant of laws to us as is gravity. The big misunderstanding here by the world at large surrounds the truth that we are choosing one of two pathways. One leads to both individual life and societal life harmoniously as the Creator intended. The second is choosing a pathway that leads to complete destruction of both the individual and the society forever. Modernity would call what we mean by the effects of sin "hereditary illness". Not only does the individual decide to accept the pathway to destruction through compounded sin, so does the society. These acts of sin slowly compound from generation to generation, eventually producing individuals who have zero ability for any sense of self control and the only one who can see the causal chains of humanity in any reasonable way is God. The book of Genesis itself tells you that not only were we swayed by this overwhelming force of destruction that started us down this path of destruction, but we were also attacked biologically. Our DNA itself was acted on. See: Nephilim. Yet, we are still responsible. This is why Jesus Christ puts so much emphasis on control over our physical bodies because they are what have been poisoned to some extent. The denial of our fleshly desire is a whole lot smarter than you might think. The reason God steps in and has the right to step in and stop this is directly because humanity itself is His creation, not ours. We are in the process of choosing destruction right now whilst simultaneously falling in love with our own image. A great delusion it is. I wish you well Riz and my personal hope for you is that you look into the actual Bible further through your own set of goggles. It just might say something to you. Peace to you and I hope yourself and your family/friends are well.

[@sunshinekid7799]

Not to digress from the importance of the conversation but I DID NOT except that deep voice to come from the young guy🤣. It’s so baritone lol. Great video though! Loved the discussion! God is the way☀️😊

[@littledrummergirl_19]

I bet he’d have a great bass singing voice! Maybe he’ll find God someday and join a wonderful church choir - I bet he’d do really well :)

[@chinoclydecalbes9375]

When you push the idea that morality & meaning is rooted in man to its logical conclusion then you will find out that nothing matters.... when you reach that point, then its a terminal place to be

[@rizdekd3912]

What do you mean? I happen to agree with you that pushing the foundation of morality and meaning to the 'end' will always lead to a dead end where one has to simply depend on their own personal sense of what is right and wrong to make sense of the world. But I think you might not have done that. Let's see.

[@skipperry63]

Person 1: There’s no such thing as objective truth. Person 2: Is that an objective statement? Person 1: yes! Wait… huh?

[@skippy675]

If we all subjectively agree that truth is subjective, we haven't proven objective truth exists. Seriously, these drop the mic, word game gotcha shorts are fluff. Even if there were a God who mandated a code of conduct. This is still an an example of subjective morality. Subject to what God said. The Bible doesn't eliminate subjective morality at all, just offers an opinion (God's) which has greater power behind it than other opinions.

[@andreichira7518]

​@@skippy675Except that God preexists the universe, so his opinion so-called is universal and not subject to any observer. His morality is universal and independent of any of us, and thus it is objective.

[@skippy675]

@@andreichira7518 but it is very much subjective in that the supposed moral code from God, doesn't apply to all beings equally. It is applied subjective. For example, humans, dogs, pigs, horses (just about all mamals) fucq in the same way to produce offspring, but Mr. God has different rules for dogs fucqing other dogs than he does for humans fucqing other humans. You get the point, laws are not universally applied in any way. It is very much on a case by case basis.

[@andreichira7518]

@@skippy675 No it's not. It applies to all humans universally. Animals are not made in the likeness and image of God. I think you misunderstand what is meant by universal.

[@skippy675]

@@andreichira7518 Jesus Goddam Mother Bloody Fucqing Christ on a wooden bike dude! Firstly, not a single shred of evidence suggests that there is anything special about the human species. Even, if there were, even within humans, even if Christianity were true... God treats humans were differently depending on what they are exposed to. An aborted baby, a 1 or 2 year old, a remote islander who never heard of Jesus and your run of the mill, fat as$, dim wit American evangelical (Mike Winger or Frank Turek for example) are all judged by different standards. No universal standard exists even amongst humans. Where do you get this trope from?

[@jeffreyzwiebel176]

I remember thinking like this kid and the reason wise people couldn't get through to me is they seemed to think i knew what they did about logic and arguments and many things i simply wasn't exposed to or didn't understand. In my scientificly logical mind i had all the facts i needed to have my conclusions always be correct. But i was missing information and alternate techniques of thinking. It takes all kinds to get thru to someone. Not always will the smartest and wisest succeed. It took me a long time because i had to learn on my own what i didn't know and what i wasn't being told

[@trumpbellend6717]

Lol please elaborate on this "missing information" with some specifics that would justify believing our moral status the result of a talking snake convincing a rib woman and mud figurine man to eat a magic fruit against the wishes of an invisible being who thinks it moral to *"Buy your slaves from the heathen nations that surround you"*

[@andreitone]

'Morality' is conscience is the spark from God's Spirit that is our essence - the spirit in our soul and why we know right from wrong.

[@daodejing81]

Our nature is good, at its essential state. At the essential state, we are emanations from God, from Light. The imperfections you speak of are not part of your essential state. Your spiritual practice is to burn away the impurities of ego with the fire of divine knowledge, acquired through meditation, an inward mindfulness.

[@kos-mos1127]

Morality is the code of ethics that society agrees upon.

[@andreitone]

@@kos-mos1127 weird, I don't remember a moment when someone had to teach me that lying, stealing, beating others is wrong, I always knew it. I guess that would be the case if we were robots, but we aren't.

[@daodejing81]

@@kos-mos1127 You're just at a certain point of understanding. As you mature spiritually, you will move from the outward to the inward. Granted, there is a societal morality, but the only one that counts is the guidance that is within you.

[@kos-mos1127]

@@andreitone Parents taught us that lying, stealing and beating others is wrong they were not passed down by nature.

[@aspiringlegend9514]

Thank you so much for your channel, your videos, and what you do. Thank you for you. This is helping me in my journey. I can’t say for certain; but I suspect that that extra clip of you speaking at the end was meant for me (or maybe I’m just one of them haha). Take care, man. So rewarding to be a subscriber to this channel. Your work is awesome, and so are you, bro 🙂

[@ninja3687]

His argument at the end was literally the Golden Rule which comes from Christianity.

[@trumpbellend6717]

Nonsense

[@rose5566]

God bless you, Brandon 🙏 Can you please talk about your own spiritual awakening?

[@wiffleballer28]

fun thought experiment for Frank Turek and Daily Dose: Frank says that morality, purpose, value, etc., must be grounded in an objective, all powerful god; therefore, Christianity is true. A Hindu could make the same argument, but conclude objectivity stems from Vishnu; a Muslin would conclude that it's Allah, a Buddhist would say Buddha, a Shinto would say it's the kami... in other words, even IF Frank's objectivity argument is true, it in no way proves that Christianity is true.

[@sidwhiting665]

Except.... Frank never said that Christianity must be true based on objective morality. He said objective morality must be grounded in God/god/the gods. There must be someone or something "above" our minds to conceive and lay down the law. Now... that could be the God of Christianity, or Allah, or Vishnu, or the flying Spaghetti Monster. So now the question becomes which of those alternatives is true, and Frank makes a very good case for the God of Christianity being the one true, accurate God. . Bottom line: this is a two-step process. 1) Establish that God exists. 2) Establish which God/god/the gods are correct. He didn't get into #2 in this video.

[@jivydremsa509]

Well said and great question above 👍🏻

[@sercravenmohead3631]

Exactly thank you for pointing this out, why does god purposefully misled the majority of the earth’s population? You can make the argument that religion is synonymous with early human history but that doesn’t prove Christianity, in fact it creates another glaring contradiction where you have to argue why all the different cultures of the world split on divergent paths. The Mesoamericans for example never heard of the gospel until they were conquered by Spain, all those good righteous Christians took their gold too while they were at it! Then Christian’s need to answer if Jesus is God/Son of God then that means he’s the same god of the Old Testament, if he’s the source of OBJECTIVE MORALITY why does he change his mind and start a New Testament? This means gods morality is in fact subjective and has evolved to meet new standards which coincidentally aligns with people unhappy with the old faith. An evolutionist would argue we evolved into morality since we had to group together for survival and that human nature is tribalism and science is causing paradigm shifts in our understanding of the universe.

[@littledrummergirl_19]

@@sercravenmohead3631 Brian Holdsworth has a good video about why evolution doesn’t explain the existence of morality, posted sometime in the last couple months so it shouldn’t require much digging on his channel

[@AnnoyingMoose]

Anyone who thinks that humans are inherently good have a poor memory of kindergarten.

[@LesterLuna]

Not only that, I think that person is disconnected from reality and it's not up to date with the news or anything that happens everyday in our world.

[@kristofferruist1455]

Just a fun and happy comment from a Scandinavian person :P If you are watching this and don't believe that Oden is the almighty father and the purpose of your life is to get in to Valhalla, you are subjectivly choosing your beliefs and your concept of morality. Some belieft are old, some are older. The hindu Vedas are 5500 years old. Argue why those are not the milestone of morality and this god they are arguing about offers an objective morality and truth. (and english is not not my first language, so i apologise for spelling errors. :) )

[@PastorOunanian]

Just discovered you, love love your passion for God and His word. I feel the same way! Keep up the good work! Love you my brother!

[@rogerjohnson833]

Life is meaningless and vain without God. My life is built by God, for God, and in God. Hallelujah !

[@filippians413]

Without God, we can have subjective meaning, but we can never have objective meaning. There needs to be an entity outside of humanity to give us any kind of objective purpose. Otherwise we are just making up personal reasons (and morals) for our own existence.

[@wet-read]

Meaning and purpose are distinct, and meaning does not have to be "objective". That doesn't even make sense.

[@jacobsr51]

I believe there is good and evil in everyone. Evil is just foolishness, and the lack of wisdom. Goodness has to be mined. Just like mining for gold. We have to work at it, and to learn and better ourselves.

[@jivydremsa509]

Why does goodness better ourselves? Why doesn’t evil better us most?

[@jacobsr51]

​@@jivydremsa509 Because evil is bad, and worse than just bad. Evil kills and destroys, causes pain and suffering. You need to get with God, pray and your life have meaning and purpose, and you will better yourself.

[@Ozzyman200]

Morality has always been a huge problem for religion. A religious person can be moral, but they have no way to explain, through faith, why any act is right or wrong. See how badly apologists fail on this. Or can any apologist manage it?

[@russellmcmahan3157]

Thank you for your channel. It's great to get your ideas with Brother Frank comments. Stay strong in Jesus.

[@skinnyboy400]

Great channel thanks.

[@binhanh296]

All creations need a Creator, so it is up to the Creator to tell his creations which is good and which is bad, if the Creator didn't tell, the creations will fight war to prove the rightous of their own opinion, and no one would agree with each other. Only God know which is good and which is bad, what he tell human engraved in human's soul, so our concience know which is good and which is bad. Thank God for enlighten us human.

[@jaflenbond7854]

Jesus Christ WANTS all human beings to love God with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength so they can receive ETERNAL LIFE as written in Luke 10: 25 to 27 Jesus Christ KNOWS that all Atheists, Agnostics, and Evolutionists don't respect and obey what he wants...they don't love God with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength and are claiming instead that God doesn't exist and even if existing, is still worthless and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Most High and Sovereign God and they also don't respect the Bible as the Word of God and source of Truths but just a worthless and useless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales written by liars and writers of myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales. GOD WANTS all human beings to submit to the authority of Jesus Christ as written in Matthew 28: 18 and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Luke 4:43 and John 11: 25, 26. GOD KNOWS that Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, SDAs, Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Pentecostals, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions in the world don't respect and obey what he wants..... they don't submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and don't accept too his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"....they willingly and deliberately chose instead to submit to the authorities, power, and control of their anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders and believe their false teachings about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation". Jesus Christ KNOWS that all Atheists, Agnostics, Evolutionists, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions in the world don't value their own lives, dignities, and existence, not bothered at all and just don't care even if their Satanic hatred, mockeries, opposition, rejection, and defiance of God's Sovereignty and his authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" bring and cause their own dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever. Jesus Christ KNOWS that all loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are definitely bringing upon themselves God's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, deceivers, traitors, perverts, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 and Revelation 21: 8. God KNOWS that all his loving, kind, respectful, and submissive worshippers and believers of his Christ who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless dusts on earth forever, instead in the right and proper time, Jesus Christ will resurrect them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15. 2:32

[@Stupidityindex]

@@jaflenbond7854 The Christian is left to talk about rubbish among other believers because the sane don't bother wasting their time with ultimate questions, people reach a point, they don't ponder them. If there were a god, then would there be any demand for scripture interpretations using fantasyland vocabulary? These are the wolves in sheep's clothing, we know them by their works: Jesus says faith is worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing verbal orders to one. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, & there is misinformation as if God does not have a perfect record of doing nothing, as if we had no reason for the saying: God helps those helping themselves.

[@daodejing81]

So, what is good and what is bad?

[@jaflenbond7854]

@@Stupidityindex Jesus Christ WANTS all human beings to love God with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength so they can receive ETERNAL LIFE as written in Luke 10: 25 to 27 All Atheists, Agnostics, Evolutionists, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions in the world KNOW that they don't respect and obey Jesus Christ ...they don't love God with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength and are claiming instead that God doesn't exist and even if existing, is still worthless and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Most High and Sovereign God and they also don't respect the Bible as the Word of God and source of Truths but just a worthless and useless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales written by liars and writers of myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales. GOD WANTS all human beings to submit to the authority of Jesus Christ as written in Matthew 28: 18 and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Luke 4:43 and John 11: 25, 26. All Atheists, Agnostics, Evolutionists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions in the world KNOW that they don't respect and obey God..... they don't submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and don't accept too his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"....they willingly and deliberately chose instead to submit to the authorities, power, and control of their anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders and believe their false teachings about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation". Jesus Christ KNOWS that all loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are definitely bringing upon themselves God's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, deceivers, traitors, perverts, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 and Revelation 21: 8. God KNOWS that all his loving, kind, respectful, and submissive worshippers and believers of his Christ who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless dusts on earth forever, instead in the right and proper time, Jesus Christ will resurrect them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@williamgreenfield9991]

Baloney. Christianity is responsible for millions of deaths in wars fought over their opinions about their "Good book". For centuries they burned people alive by the hundreds of thousands for having doubts or heretical viewpoint.

[@williamarmitage7702]

I want to taste and see it. Lord help my unbelief! Amen

[@MaeseAzrael]

Amén, i hope you find Him as i did

[@mlktss245]

If you ask for it, you will receive. If you seek it, you will find. Let’s pray for this young man to receive God’s grace to awakening to the truth.

[@trumpbellend6717]

. "Truth" is demonstrated dear not asserted, its that which best conforms with the FACTS and EVIDENCE and has nothing whatsoever to do with "faith" Knowledge of FACTS, also called "propositional knowledge", is defined as true belief that is distinct from opinion or guesswork by virtue of justification. A "FACT" is a point of data that is objectively verifiable ( demonstrable ) Absent "Facts" one has only the opinion or guesswork and no justification to claim such knowledge. Science has all the FACTS yet claims nothing as "absolute" truth. Christianity conversely claims absolute truth in everything yet has no FACTS 😜

[@mlktss245]

@@trumpbellend6717 Maybe you're right :) I started reading the bible to prove how wrong the Christians were. Then, God showed me the Truth. I hope that God will show his mercy and grace for your soul as well. God loves you no matter what. I am glad that you are here for this video and responding my comments. I pray that the seeds that landed in your heart will continue to grow in God's light. Love you dear!

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@mlktss245 I also read the bible and it seems to me there are two distinct possibilities. Either there is no god and these myths are exactly that myths. 👇👇👇 Or you have a god that's claimed wishes to have a relationship with his creation. He wants us to live our lives in a certain way with regard to morals , worshipers ect. This god think that the best way to convey this vital message to us is via a book of scriptures. This book he knows will reach me as copies of translations of copies of translations of an original oral tradition, and to all intensive purposes will appear to be the myths and beliefs of ignorant superstitious primative tribesmen, just like all the thousands of others. This book will contain testimonies that are unsigned, for the most part hearsay and written by we dont know who. It will contains talking snakes and talking donkeys giants witches magic and zombies. It will appear to some to have questionable ethics with regard to endorsement of slavery infanticide genocide ect. This book will also disagree with science on many different subjects like origins and age of the earth, how the diversity of life came about basic cosmology ect ect. The hero of this book will appear to be very similar to all the other proposed demigods born of virgins from earlier pagan deities, and will be serving a very specific purpose vicarious redemption ( or scapegoating) a practice that apears to be an imoral concept in itself and a form of which, was already being practiced in the area. Anyway god seemingly thinks that the best way for him to be able to forgive man, for breaking rules that god knew in advance that they would break when he made those rules. Is to send a version of himself down to earth then sacrifice himself to himself. Thus preventing his need to punish his creations for something their ancestors did before they knew the difference between right and wrong. 🤔 ☝️☝️ I mean just actually think about that for a minute 🤔🤔🤔 Our hero and the stories about him though are not for everyone as this god is predominantly concerned about one particular tribe of people called jews and one little area of the Mediterranean. The aborigines, Asians ect dont seem to important. He has also created a place of eternal torture for people who are unconvinced by his book. Even though belief is not a choice as you are either convinced of something or unconvinced, and it is generaly evidence that convinces I personally could not just choose to believe in tinkerbell because that belief offers rewards , no matter how much I just closed my eyes and stamped my feet and if I am unable to see through all of the above and conclude that jehovah is the explanation for reality as I see it , then I'm deservingly sent off to hell. *No offence my friend but regardless of whether such a god exists or not I'm being entirely rational and justified in my current position as an atheist*

[@jesi3336]

Humanity is like water...given no resistance it seeks out the lowest level. We need to constantly struggle to climb higher and success only possible when we actively participate every day 😅🙏❤️

[@jordanlaplante1131]

It's interesting that the man is saying we don't do evil because that agustin our nature, but he never asked who gave use that nature that understanding of what is good. Only the lord our God is good.

[@thefuturist8864]

How can anything be ‘against our nature’? The nature of any organic entity is what it does, and it cannot behave contrary to this.

[@bullitt0713]

I just came across your channel and I am looking for the Lord. I need him, but because my best friend was taken away from me (my dog), I am miserable and I am having such a tough time functioning without her. I cried out for so long for help for my dog and he didn’t hear me. I am finding myself upset and doubting his existence after this loss that has completely broken me. I can’t sleep. I can’t eat. I cry nonstop. I can barely even move. I want to believe so bad. I want and need comfort. I want to know that I will see my precious fur baby after I pass. That is the only way I feel like I will be able to survive. So I am asking you…what are your thoughts on pet dogs and their owners reuniting after both have passed?

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

Jesus is good and merciful and kind. A day is coming when every tear will be wiped away for those who are in Christ. Repent and follow the way of Jesus. In other words, make sure you’re with God…and I’m 99% sure you’ll also get to see your dog again (but I’m also sure it will simply be the icing on the cake, and not the main thing you’ll be happy about then ✌️❤️)

[@bullitt0713]

@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom thank you🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@wadesharp11]

Close your eyes!!! You hear Nicholas Cage😂

[@philiphumphrey1548]

Shakespeare addresses the question in Macbeth. When Macbeth violates the natural law and effectively rejects God, everything becomes meaningless, even the crown he's stolen.

[@trumpbellend6717]

You see this is the game theists like you play, you present a false dichotomy that things can only have "value" or "purpose" if they are the result of YOUR specific subjective imaginary friend and an eternal afterlife. This is most certainly NOT the case. My life has the "value" and " purpose" I GIVE IT cupcake. I think this is the one and only life I will ever have and as such I place a greater "value" on it than YOU do dear. This life is not merely some prelude to a main event or nothing more than something to be "cast off like old rags". I tell my loved ones everyday how much I love them and treasure every moment I spend with them. I don't count on some next life giving me the opportunity to do so. I spend my time trying in my own small way to make THIS LIFE and THIS WORLD a better place for those in it. That's what gives me the "purpose" to get out of bed every day dear. I work hard providing for my wife and 3 kids and spend most of my spare time doing voluntary work with young children ( many of whom are disabled ) the smiles upon their faces the only reward or purpose one could ever need for it to have "meaning" But under your theology my inability to believe in magic and extrodinary claims and diferentiate them from the many other such extrodinary claims of other "Gods" with differing scripture and "values" derived from them, means that I'm deserving of eternal torture regardless of how I live my life. *A child killer however* so long as he truly repents and accepts Jesus on his deathbed he can spend an eternity in paradise with the children he murdered. Unless of course those children also found the "evidence" for your God unconvincing, in which case your child murder would be looking down on them as they too suffered for eternity with me 🤮😡😡😡 Yet you DARE to talk to me about the value of human life and *"MORALITY"* shame on you. You sacrifice both your humanity and your reasoning at the alter of Yahweh for the promise of an afterlife ........ its a price I'm not willing to pay 😡😡

[@williamgreenfield9991]

@@trumpbellend6717 That was so well put. Thank you.

[@RoadBloc85]

Even better, there’s no life for us to ponder the meaning of without Our Creation! The Truth of God can’t be erased or explained away though philosophical arguments for humanity’s inherent value, our value comes from The Most High! Be thankful! 🙏🏾

[@kos-mos1127]

There is life without God. The Cosmos is there without God. God is superfluous to the existence of the life.

[@RoadBloc85]

@@kos-mos1127 I think you’re here because you don’t really know what to think or what to believe about our reality! If you’re not actually looking for answers and you’re just a bored internet troll, then carry on and enjoy your fun over here, my friend, but I guarantee you’ll still learn something! 👊🏾

[@kos-mos1127]

@@RoadBloc85 All that is real is made of matter. The Cosmos includes all of space and time and the contents of space and time. Space is the set of all possibilities. Time is change. Space can be empty full. Time ca be symmetrical change and asymmetrical change. Without space there is no basis of reality and without time there is no causal relationships. That is why the Cosmos is all that is, ever was and will be.

[@RoadBloc85]

@@kos-mos1127 Very profound. But it’s all that is tangible is made out of matter, many real things aren’t made of matter as we understand it…and time and space, though cosmic in nature, still aren’t explanations for existence. Studying them is a way to help us try to understand existence…but I’ll state again that we believe that none of this would be here without The Creator… Matter - Who/what put it here, where did it come from? Space - where is “here?” Time - when is “here?” God has answered these questions! Our infinite conjecture and endless philosophical discourse will never come to an acceptable resolution for how, when, where, what, etc. existence really is? None of it is possible without Creation! Edit: had to fix some grammar there, I was trying to work, read, and respond at the same time.

[@williamgreenfield9991]

@@RoadBloc85 Says the bored internet troll.

[@newhorizon1355]

Gotta admitt if I got into an argument with the you man over the phone, and went to the store to give him a piece of my mind; I wouldn't believe that was him/ his voice on on the phone 😂

[@markfry4304]

The immediate problem is the kid behind the mic didn't know what objective and subjective meant. And even after it was explained to him he continued to get them confused as evidenced by his own examples.

[@mustachemac5229]

What are you talking about? He absolutely understood the difference between subjective and objective. He was just trying to understand what Frank meant by objective and subjective.

[@markfry4304]

@@mustachemac5229 Kid: "I believe we live by our own self satisfaction" which is the definition of subjective yet he uses that as an example of objective.

[@mustachemac5229]

@@markfry4304 He's explaining to Frank that it is objective we have subjective standards...

[@mustachemac5229]

@@markfry4304 I'll give an example. For something like murder to be objectively wrong it would have to be wrong outside of God. In other words murder would always be wrong regardless of what God wants or anybody else. But what Frank is doing is claiming that murder is wrong because God says so. That would mean he is using a standard which is subjective to God.

[@markfry4304]

@@mustachemac5229 Objective: "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts." Just because we all feel like it's wrong does not make it wrong. That is subjective. Only God can create a moral standard that goes beyond our feelings and opinions which is absolute, hence an objective moral standard.

[@markh1011]

Can someone demonstrate that there is an objective morality? How do you do it? This is the starting point of Frank's argument and it is just assumed.

[@coolingagent2637]

Do you think that morality is ultimately subjective, that is morality is entirely dependent on each individual (everything is merely a matter of opinion) or is morality independent of human opinion; a standard where we can factually agree to without an importance of opinion?

[@markh1011]

@@coolingagent2637 I've not seen a reason to believe that there is some objective moral standard decided by a higher being. I think our morality is something that humans have worked out for themselves. The change in what we consider to be moral over time implies this. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

[@coolingagent2637]

@@markh1011 Okay, are you saying that morality changes over time?

[@markh1011]

@@coolingagent2637 Is slavery still acceptable? Do women have the same rights now that they did hundreds of years ago?

[@coolingagent2637]

@@markh1011 @markh1011 You're confusing sociology and morality. What people do is subject to change, but what they ought to do is not. Different cultures can have their own traditions and "morals" per say (sorry I can't find a proper term) but these "morals" that these different cultures have has to appeal to the Moral Law, that is Objective and Absolute because how can you know if something is closer to good than to evil or closer to evil than good without a standard that is perfect to begin with? Also, is slavery bad and is it bad to have women have lesser rights than men?

[@superkalifragilistisch3499]

"Next one, please" ... good to see Turek's reaction, when someone doesn't accept the out-of-the-blue-presumptions he is making as the starting point of a discussion. After reading a few of the comments in the below section, I really start thinking: Is it possible that the constant praying of the church "First of all you are bad, and you need god to do better" is the reason for the high criminal rate in the US? I always thought its the uncontrolled and easy access to weapons, that might be the reason. But telling the people everyone is bad person, evereyone wants to violate, to rape and to murder, until he has found the invisible friend, seems to be the reason for the gun-madness ...

[@scottpatterson471]

Amen! It all goes back to Jesus!

[@kristofferruist1455]

What... I thought this video was about islam? Sry im not trying to offend, honestly! But really, can you argue why christianity is right and islam is wrong based the argument being made? For if you claim it all goes back to Jesus thats subjective morality.

[@randy_jams]

I'm on the fence about whether he's smart or not. My thought is that if he was that smart, he would have understood what Frank was telling him about his flawed thinking. I almost stopped the video because my brain was hurting over it. Lol

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

Admittedly, his reasoning was extremely circular!

[@trumpbellend6717]

​@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Is your OPINION regarding the "correct" God who's allegedly the basis for morality a "SUBJECTIVE" one or a "OBJECTIVE" one dear ?? 🤔

[@kos-mos1127]

@@trumpbellend6717 This shows that God as the basis of morality is SUBJECTIVE.

[@daodejing81]

On the contrary he is intelligent because he calls into question what Christians accept blindly, ignorantly.

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@kos-mos1127 Yep the claim that theistic morality is somehow superior because its "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔

[@colmortimer1066]

I think where people get most confused, is we have a culture that is very much founded on Christian values and ideas. So atheists believe in those ideals of morality, but don't realize they are Christian in nature. It's like everyone they know are good moral people, but everyone they know, while maybe not religious, are rooted in a Christian morality by the very nature of their culture. I was never an atheist, myself, but I was more secular in my ideals, but it is hard to kind of relearn what you know, when you get the mindset we are all good by nature, and don't realize it is the Christian culture we grew up in that defined the morality based on God. It took me a few years of listening to stuff like this to come around to it, and I already was a Christian...but learning it did make me a much stronger Christian.

[@trumpbellend6717]

Nonsense, "morality" is the cognitive process of differentiating between human intentions, decisions, and actions that are appropriate from those inappropriate. The recognition and evaluation of the consequences our choices have with regards to ourselves and others. My NOT believing in a mythological god in no way impedes the ability of forming such moral assessments. We are self aware conscious pain and emotion feeling individuals capable of love or hate, incredible acts of altruism or depravity. It's how we navigate through life and these potential extremes that define us, not our belief ( or lack of ) in your specific subjective invisible friend.

[@trumpbellend6717]

In reality we find humanity and society's as a whole can and do agree on a vast array of moral issues that have wellbeing and the values it incorporates at the heart. These are reflected in our laws murder rape theft ect are standard throughout societies (even secular ) For the most part, it's is only with respect to the concept of SIN ( percieved transgressions against the whims of subjective gods ) that the disagreement occur. The vast majority of the world's population do NOT think the gathering of sticks on the sabbath is or ever was a crime worthy of execution nor do we think the same fate should await our unruly rebellious children who disobey their parents ( sounds like most teenagers to me ) we see no problem with the wearing of clothing of mixed fabric or the eating of shellfish. Just as most of the world do NOT think a female showing her hair in public is being immoral. I'm pretty sure that you don't regard yourself as an immoral sinner because you don't face a specific landmark and pray five times a day or because you eat bacon 🤔 Well guess what dear you have no more right to impose the perceived whims of YOUR SUBJECTIVE invisible guardian upon me and mine than islamists have to impose THEIR subjective invisible guardians perceived whims in the form of Sharia Law upon you and yours. I suspect if they attempted to do so you would be more than a little unhappy dear 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kos-mos1127]

Morality is based on property. At minimum people own their body so murdering someone is treated as unlawfully damaging someone's property beyond repair. The punishment matches the crime life in prison or the death penalty. With pedophilia children have not reached the age on consent and the parents have property (parental ) rights over their children. An adult violating a child is stealing a kids innocence. A pedophile essentially sexually violated the parents of that child as well as the entire family.

[@colmortimer1066]

@@trumpbellend6717 You didn't actually watch this video, did you? The fact is our morality is Christian whether you believe or not. If you can't even see that, I would advise you to actually watch this video. re-read my comment, and form an actual argument from there. Don't just allow your hatred of God to form your bias, as I think many atheists, actually do grasp, that why they may not believe in Christ, His values helped shaped our culture, and our morality. There is a reason other cultures do not share our morality.

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@colmortimer1066 Your inability or unwillingness to actually address the very specific questions and points I raised more than adequately demonstrates both your dishonesty and the fragility of your position for all to see dear 😜

[@AdamLeis]

Dude doesn't get the difference between subjective and objective. A common problem. The other trick I think people stumble over is the confusion between objective meaning and the objective reality of one's subjective meaning. 😅

[@wet-read]

And Christians don't seem to get the difference between meaning and purpose.

[@ppixxxels4159]

I’m no psychologist, but the more and more I watch these videos, so many people expose themselves beyond the argument of their belief of God, but instead a trauma or experience they’ve had growing up and it shows when they speak. Then it even shows through their body language. Some were so cringe I had to change to a different video of yours. So many of them are so unprepared to have this debate. I think they think it’s simple or maybe not able to articulate.

[@BruceSione-dh6ce]

Thanks bro for sharing!

[@ehecken]

You brought up a very good question while I was listening to this and the question that you brought up was what is a human?

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

YES! It is key to understand that we are distinct from the rest of creation. We are intended to be gardeners of this planet. We are the only thing created “in His image”. Read the beginning of the book of Genesis. It’s not only beautiful but makes so much sense of the things we have been able to create (as sub-creators)

[@soulspiritghost2021]

​@@Daily_Dose_Of_WisdomIf we are created in God's image, then why do we supposedly lust for evil?

[@ServantofGod17]

@@soulspiritghost2021 Sin nature

[@soulspiritghost2021]

@@ServantofGod17 if our nature is sinful, then how are we made in God's image?

[@ServantofGod17]

@@soulspiritghost2021 We are created in the image of God 👉Genesis 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Genesis 3:16-17 (KJV) Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;👈 Sin nature came in around this time, sin came into the world after we are made in the image of God, because we inherited sin nature doesn't change the fact that we are still created in the image of God,humans created in the image of God, some Bible scholars believe that means God created us like no other creature on earth, humans have special purpose, most importantly too Glorify God with our lives

[@Ade2bee]

You need to look at the Jamie Bolger case to see where the child, or children does something evil to another child. Given the chance they all would.

[@trumpbellend6717]

No dear Thomson and Venables are the exception not the rule. They were unable to differentiate between good and evil whereas most normal children can. Incidentally dear, how could Adam or indeed mankind make moral choices without being able to differentiate good from evil ?? Without knowledge of right and wrong every moral "choice becomes meaningless, choice *A* no more valid than the diametrically opposed choice *B* And yet ...... dispite Gods foreknowledge of this he still decided to deny Adam and Eve this knowledge and to punish not only them for gaining this knowledge but also their descendants ?? 🤪 how utterly absurd and immoral!! We have names for people who do not know how to differentiate right from wrong and we lock such people up in concrete boxes or execute them. Yet this is how your "God" wanted mankind to be (and we would still be if not for the Serpent) and you think him a perfect moral reference standard 😂😅🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Papa-dopoulos]

Dude ask any parent in the world lol. It doesn’t have to be some vicious murder. Stealing, yelling, and hitting are all rooted in the same nature as their more adult iterations (killing, etc.) How this guy has the idea that people are inherently good is truly, truly baffling. I mean it is ridiculous

[@williamgreenfield9991]

@@Papa-dopoulos Sorry if you are inherently evil. I'm not.

[@Papa-dopoulos]

@@williamgreenfield9991 I don’t even have to know you to know that it required a whole lot of socialization, parenting, education, and other forces to get you to stop acting out of self-interest and greed. You can sling cheap ad hominems at me all you want, but you will never convince me that my lived experience - raising children who inherently want to steal, lie, slander, and use violence to get their way - is not my lived experience. I’m not saying we are all serial rapists and drug dealers. I’m saying we all start out as naturally selfish beings because that’s what we are on the inside.

[@williamgreenfield9991]

@@Papa-dopoulos You clearly have no clue what ad hominem means. Christianity claims that man is inherently evil. You seem to believe that. I merely said I was sorry you feel that way. There was no attack involved.

[@mathgod]

Life has more meaning as an atheist. One life is all you got, make the most of it.

[@kevinfinnerty8414]

What’s making the most of it?? Doing drugs and banging whores?

[@PInk77W1]

That’s why atheists don’t build universities and hospitals. Christian’s on the other hand do Make universities and hospitals.

[@markh1011]

@@PInk77W1 What century are you in? There are secular charity organisations. Programs that actually build universities and hospitals are run by a government that has separation from the church.

[@PInk77W1]

@@markh1011 thx for confirming what I said

[@williamgreenfield9991]

Totally agree with you, mathgod. The people that think this life is just a prelude to an eternity of bliss (or pain) can't appreciate their lives nearly as fully as Atheists do.

[@l.m.892]

I like what you said about Jesus having that "never giving up kind of love". So true.

[@MeMyself_andAI]

If this kid was right, laws wouldnt be necessary. He apparently doesnt understand that the only reason nobody is cursing or hitting anyone in that room, is because we as humans devised consequences for doing such things, because it was such a problem we HAD to do so, in order to REDUCE it. And even with the innumerable laws we have, prisons STILL overflow with people who commit acts of violence against people OVER and OVER again. I believe that those laws originated from god speaking true morality to us.

[@shawnmason8543]

This young man hasn’t had a whole lot of life experience and it shows. 😂

[@aPeachWhoLovesYeshua]

Right humans…good natured?? No no no😂. Anything good and moral that’s inside of us comes from God.

[@sunflare8798]

Pathetic Ad Hominem

[@TheMirabillis]

Our moral conscience tells us, that God’s actions in the Bible and in Christian Theology are bad and wrong. 1. No Morally Perfect Being would create a Hell where People go on suffering for all of Eternity Future. 2. No Morally Perfect Being would create anyone whom they knew would go to a Hell. 3. No Morally Perfect Being would create this World of suffering. Most Christians ( whether they know it or not ) worship a Calvinist type of God. A Calvinist type of God is morally repugnant. No perfect moral standard can be found in the nature of that God. Just take a moment to think. If Christianity is true, then the majority of humanity ( which is unsaved ) will all be thrown into a Hell and be made to suffer for all of Eternity Future. What is the meaning, value, and purpose for all those people in that ? Christianity thinks that it is giving answers to the question of human existence. But something is definitely wrong when the Christian God will cause most of humanity to suffer for all of Eternity Future.

[@littledrummergirl_19]

And God does these evil things by whose moral standards? What is your moral conscience formed by?

[@tosuchino6465]

As usual, Turek's (and christians') claim for "objective meaning" is nonsensical. A human cannot know the yahweh-based objective meaning because anything that a human being thinks of as objective meaning is a subjective inference. Simple as that.

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

Does 2+2=4 ?

[@tosuchino6465]

@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Yes, that is what we agreed on in arithmatics. Is this your "gotcha" question? If so, you are simply committing an equivocation fallacy. The "2 + 2 = 4" is a representation of an objective measure of quantifiable objects. In other words, the arithmatic is objective because the objects being quantified OBJECTIVELY exist, and our perception (which itself is subjective) of the arithmatic has objectivity because we all agree to the quantitative aspect of its meaning. However, you cannot objectively verify the existence of something intangible like meaning of life, and you and I both know that that is what Turek and the kid were debating about in the video. Yet, you decided to switch the core topic of the conversation … for what? just win the argument? I find that extremely dishonest.

[@trumpbellend6717]

​@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom // "Does 2 + 2 = 4" // Assuming we use the subjective and arbitrarily conceived of base 10 as our reference yes. 👍 If however we were to use base 3 then 2 + 2 = 11 😜 In the same way if we were to use different subjective Gods as our moral reference standard this also leads to different results. Is your OPINION regarding the "correct" God who's allegedly the basis for morality a "SUBJECTIVE" one or a "OBJECTIVE" one dear ??

[@britviking5960]

The more you try to get closer to Jesus,the more you realise,or is revealed how much Christ gives us and had given us so the more you want and need to do his will.peace

[@kos-mos1127]

That is your opinion.

[@britviking5960]

@kos-mos1127 yes it is,that's why I said it. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Peace.

[@GregOrangeDoor]

This young guy has an amazing voice!

[@mustachemac5229]

I don't know why Frank keeps using Hitler as an example. If Hitler wants to hurt people then why is that wrong? Because as a rational human being we can use things like empathy to understand when something should and should not be done. It doesn't have to be objectively wrong for Hitler to be wrong. All the kid had to do was ask everybody in the room if they felt Hitler was wrong and they're going to agree with him. There we go. We've reached a moral standard using subjective ideas. It really isn't that difficult

[@schlauchmeister234]

The only reason, then, that Hitler was wrong is because some people say so.

[@gregariousguru]

You used a hypothetical to show that the room would all universally agree that Hitler was wrong. This universal consistency shows that its objective, not subjective..smh. If a theif hates to be stolen from, and a murderer doesn't want to be murderer, or a slave owner never wants to be owned and bound in chains, this shows its always wrong objectively through this universal consistency. When the nazis were caught and prosecuted, they tried to plea that that they were only following orders. Yet we held them to a higher standard and obligation beyond just secular rules.

[@metorphoric]

I think when people think of “wrong”, the most extreme examples are often used. This isn’t a bad argument but wrong doesn’t always have to mean destruction to make a point. I think Hitler “wrong” is an observation where evil can fall within a spectrum similar like “ bad to worse”. I think it is also used to make people feel a bit better about themselves. We all have committed a wrong against someone else but most would say their wrong isn’t anywhere near Hitlers wrong. Despite that, wrong is still wrong. It’s wrong to steal. It’s also wrong to murder. The only difference is the act itself and the value that society places on it. The hitler example is highly overused. I would rather the example be made about someone having a morally high standard but still has caused harm or committed a wrong in a more modern context such as cheating, lying, etc. and why that has a significantly less consequence than murder.

[@mustachemac5229]

@@schlauchmeister234 Yes. That is how morals work. We decide what is moral and what is not. Let me ask you... Do you agree that Hitler was wrong?

[@mustachemac5229]

@@metorphoric That's because Frank likes to push the Hitler button. It's always his go-to objective moral example. I swear, Frank has a hard one for Hitler.

[@DeconvertedMan]

Heres the problem with DCT (the ethical idea that god made ethics) - what god? No really, what one? You say your god right? Well dude over there says his god. Now what?

[@uneartheros]

That kids voice is very commanding lol. Did not expect that booming radio voice.

[@CR-yd4qe]

I should have thought the less daunting question is”does life have meaning (in any real sense)with a god”. “Praising the dear Leader from dawn to dusk. Like a celestial North Korea” (C. E. Hitchens)

[@McLovin201]

Enjoying your videos. Sound theology is just 👌

[@axilmar254]

Even with God, existence is meaningless. Suppose you go to heaven. Then what? Eternal happiness, but that's about it.

[@rosab859]

First time here and i seek truth like most here. The young man was a little contradictory..but he's young and without children yet. I am sure as he grows older in life he will understand. Looking forward to the great knowledge here as we are being deceived on all levels now. Without being subjected to life's woe's one doesn't fully see the bigger picture. Leaving it there for now.👆🙏💜

[@leighcunningham756]

If everyone had an inbuilt moral compass, we would be living in a perfect world.

[@Notwoke7]

We are born with a self serving nature and the only reason we don't go around hitting each other is because someone in our lives who taught or was an example, being a moral compass.

[@rizdekd3912]

We have a combination of a self serving nature and a intuitive ability/tendency and sometimes even a desire to be coerced by society to behave ourselves. Both would be needed for the survival of a social species like humans. It is society at large that gives us each our 'moral' compass. Each person intuitively knows how they want to be treated...ie what's fair. Plus most people have a sense that that fairness should apply to others....we intuitively seek to defend those downtrodden and look at the affronts perpetrated on others as a personal affront to ourselves. So as a society we monitor and maintain a basic code of behavior that ultimately has helped humans survive. Some of those tendencies evolved before humans ever even evolved and most were essential for the very survival of early humans when there were far far fewer than there is now. Almost everything we intuitively sense is wrong....ways in which we don't want to be treated..would have...if predominate in the entire population, caused the species to go extinct. Of course that's from a natural evolution viewpoint.

[@bonniejohnson1518]

Hello there, what you said at the end of the video is in the the book of James 4: 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. A quote by Gordon C Olson was "Animals were made to live by instincts , man was designed to regulate his instincts and live by intelligence". Praise the Lord, have a blessed day.

[@epicofatrahasis3775]

*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:45 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei

[@bullheadedgideon1673]

Great video and last thought

[@Montu96]

I disagree with both sides of the argument here, subjective vs objective arguments. Meaning is inherent to Life itself. Regardless if God exists or not, Life itself has inherent meaning because it is alive, it is sentient, it is able to perceive, feel, do. What one Life form decides to do doesn't impede on the meaningfulness of all other Life forms. Hitler's Life also had inherent meaning, but on top of that, if he decides to harm other life forms, that doesn't take away from the inherent meaning of his Life, or anyone else's Life. After that, it is up to the Living being itself to survive and thrive within the environment it lives in. This includes protecting yourself from those who wish to harm you. Every Living Being is meaningful by the nature of existing. What you do with your Life has no impact on the meaningfulness of you as a Living Being.

[@maccarnold]

If we were good by nature, we wouldn’t be living in the mess of a world we are in.

[@thesequeiras4003]

I love your channel brother and all you are doing for the Kingdomn of God. Is there an email I can send you some of my perspectives on these matters (or another forum) or is this were you would prefer to interact with a fellow Christian? Either way please let me know your thoughts.

[@christophergraham5901]

AMEN, brother... King of Kings!

[@JesseDriftwood]

I'd be curious to see some data on the point surrounding "terrible two's" . I agree that children are self centred at birth and in early development, this shouldn't come as a surprise. Children are trying to survive in a world they don't understand. They know they have needs (food, water, protection), but they don't yet know how to attain those needs. Furthermore they can't yet conceptualize the subjectivity of the people around them. I think evil is better described as intentionally causing harm, but how do say this is true of a child whose only intent is self preservation? A child who doesn't understand the external ramifications other actions. Does this mean that the two year old would remain this way for his entire life? We might try and say that left to his own devices and removed from society yes, but humans are social creatures. Our development is dependant on social interactions, with our without a god. This doesn't tell us whether or not there is some inherently good or bad nature to humans, it just tells us that in early development our desire to survive and thrive is greater than our empathetic understanding of the world.

[@calebe4266]

I think tge "evil" here is just tge selfishness. Of course a baby don't know what he is doing, he don't do evil schemes, but if their behavior isn't corrected, the person will remain selfish until being corrected, just like any other bad behavior. The kid don't do that on purpose, but those bad behaviors comes naturally and they need to receive disciplinein order to grow better

[@JesseDriftwood]

@@calebe4266 I understand what you are saying, but it seems pretty irrational to call a baby's survival instincts "evil" or even just "bad". It is simply doing the only thing it knows how to do. However we also find very pro-social behaviours among 2 year olds. They're desire to share, and to laugh and joke and play games. Why don't we say that doing good "comes naturally" the same way we saying doing bad does? I agree that discipline is important, but this doesn't tell us anything about human nature because we are a social species. We are not disassociated individuals.

[@calebe4266]

@@JesseDriftwood Well, i don't have a well built response to you. I do see that some good stuff comes naturally, but good actions CAN be rooted on bad thoughts, like "what i gain with it", but i don't know, when i look to people i see that it's easier to all of us to do bad stuff, because we are selfish and prideful.

[@DaveH8905]

@@JesseDriftwoodaaaah this is a straw man my friend. We are not talking about survival instincts. Children constantly display the evil in their very nature apart from any sort of survival situation. It doesn’t have to be isolated to 2 year olds. Lying, stealing, selfishness, bullying and even violence are all displayed in little children in the most comfortable environments well after they are just little useless blobs, well after they have been socialized and can talk and articulate thoughts and ideas. Children are wicked naturally, and that is why we discipline them, so it their natural tendencies to sin are kept under control before they grow older and their lives are ruined. And about your reference to us not pointing out the laughing, and sharing, and other “goods” that children can likewise display, no Christian ever has said that human beings are “as bad as they possibly could be”. There are many common graces from God in life, and sinful human beings can take part in and share many good things and joys in life. But, as in a court of law, in the end, no one is judged by their good. You are judged by your crimes. A criminal in court cannot plead with a judge to balance out the good he has done against the bank that he robbed. “Good” behaviors are actually REQUIREMENTS, and the way we are to live 100% of the time. But we lie, we cheat, we steal, we blaspheme, we hate, we covet, and those are the crimes we pay for, and those are the things Christ paid for. The Bible describes the best of human “goodness” as filthy rags in comparison to the evil in our hearts.

[@JesseDriftwood]

@@calebe4266 Thats totally fine! On the front of "some good actions CAN be rooted on bad thoughts" I'm sure you're right, but the opposite is also true. Some bad actions CAN be rooted in good thoughts. Often we intend to do well, and yet the outcome can be horrific, even fatal. Personally, I'm not all that interested in the conversation of whether we are "inherently good or bad" since I don't think either is true, it feels like a false dichotomy that denies the complex nature of reality.

[@BalikTrollbane]

God bless you man! I love your channel.

[@bakkerem1967]

I'm atheïst and I can tell wholeheartedly : Yeah, life has meaning ! There is lots of meaning in life. I don't need a religion for that. I keep wondering why this is an issue with theïsts. Perhaps it's something that is completely outside the bounds of their paradigm, as is the case with 'moral values'. Theïsts seem to be unable to see that far, bound as they are within the confinement of the image of some supernatural being, controlling all parameters of life. Why not just take your life into your own hands, and do your best to make this world a better place ? YOU are the intelilgent being, equipped with tools to make yourself heard, and bring progress to all around you. Not just for your likeminded, but for everyone !

[@coolingagent2637]

Where do you get this standard of right and wrong then? Why is H*tler wrong if that is his meaning in his life? or Mao Zedong? Why couldn't they live just the way they want to?

[@markh1011]

@@coolingagent2637 _"Where do you get this standard of right and wrong then?"_ Thousands of years of human morality refined by at least a couple thousand years of human ethics.

[@coolingagent2637]

@@markh1011 But how do you justify this standard of right and wrong in your worldview where there is only the laws of physics and particles (I assume you are an atheist but I might be wrong).

[@Jackjohnjay]

I think it’s possible for a while. Cut flowers. But it’s pretty imperfect and our goodness absolutely diminishes. It’s not sustainable culturally and usually not individually.

[@li0nhart4477]

Well said Tony, Well said!!

[@12125034]

There definitely does seem to be a natural morality that is intuitively in us for cooperation since we are by nature social creatures. But higher morality must be taught and learned.

[@dalibofurnell]

Tony looks very young. I hope that all goes well for him in life ❤

[@sagidegon9003]

Love these videos and the message you putting out. My question is this, have you heard of Krishna? The message as far as I can tell is the same as Jesus. Either way, I'm in. Loving God and having a relationship with him is number 1 Keep up the good work

[@jmyers6175]

Spiritual struggle goes back to our orgin. Things are to complex to appear from nothing. Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door will be opened. He is on that road. . Jesus asks, " Who do you say that I am?" Back then and with everyone who hears the word.

[@cameronscottcairney8852]

I just wish that Christians who think deeply about these questions could do one thing that non believers are able to do: take that couple of steps further outside the god box and scrutinize that just like theyre able to do with every other concept. It always becomes immediately apparent to me when listening to debates on any subject who is really committed to sorting out the best argument or closest truth when one of the debaters starts getting tricky with language loopholes or logical traps. There’s an easy way to answer the question of if God exists and has any influence over our lives: point to some proof so I may know that a Christian God is anything but a fairy tail.

[@objectivereality1392]

I'm not sure what video you just watched...

[@stunns2003]

This debate is actually not that complex. The young man (whether he knows it or not) is taking a position that people are basically good. Which is taking a similar position to ‘Jean-Jacques Rousseau’. The speaker (I think he knows this) is taking a position that people are basically bad which is a “Hobbesian” point of view. In reality, both positions can actually be traced back to the religious texts. However, since they didn’t have time to debate this fundamental point, the conversation couldn’t move forward in the limited time. The young man I would surmise needs to brush up on his Philosophy and gain some life experience.

[@markathey1510]

I often think of other things which seem to be inherent in our existence. Although a weak argument you could say that morality is taught - but what about love, respect, shame, sadness, recognition of something is beautiful and pure. All these things in addition to a moral compass seem to live inside our mind and soul - man was made in God's image .

[@1nkredibleHunk]

It’s funny we often look at evil as violent or sexual acts. We don’t want to view even simpler acts as equally heinous because it makes us feel safe (self righteous) because we don’t do those things. We inherently know Gods law and that we will be judged so we try to rationalize our sin to feel safe …as my grandpa would say to the young man “If that’s that what you believe, fine but, in that case don’t die”

[@theparadigmshift74]

Bruh before i was born again, i couldnt even stop doing subtle things that were bad for me! And most of them i didnt know were bad for me because i was so blind to what was good and what was bad because i based it off the feeling it gave me. Once you see and have a relationship with Christ you start seeing how truely messed up we are!