Q88: What does "if ye continue in the faith" indicate in Col

[@robertmurtle4148]

TRUTH!! Great study!

[@Joe-rm6gp]

Amen, thank you for clearing that up!

[@johnnykasselman2952]

Explained for all to understand.....Thank you Past Reid .....!

[@clarkwade9919]

Ive always thought 2 Cor.5:9 referred to the "things done in our physical bodies" and this is the first time Ive heard it being a reference to the things we did "in the body of Christ." And such a great point about the Bema Seat being a "profound eternal security passage!"

[@BiswajitDas-tj5bz]

Thank you Pr David, wonderful 💖

[@ClintonMichael]

David, you should do in in-depth study of who the saints are. There is another important rightly dividing that needs to be able to understand some of Paul's writings.

[@stevencook4002]

Pretty simple. The saints are those who put their trust in Christ and Paul addresses them as such many times.

[@coolchamp2902]

I'm getting annoyed and frustrated with these ads. KZbin is getting desperate now

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Few if any of us have been a subject of a court case, much less the Supreme Court of our native States where we reside. Much less have ever been the subject of a case at the US Supreme Court of the entire Nation. Yet, these courts are child's play compared to the court we must appear as subjects to, which Judge is the Maker of all things and which Court resides at the headquarters of the entire universe. That Court deals in souls and spirits, and eternal sentences.

[@stevencook4002]

Huh?

[@bpraise517]

Amazing how people want to lose their salvation. They work hard to find a scripture to lose it😮

[@ClintonMichael]

Paul is speaking to the Saints they are different than just members of the body of Christ

[@ColumbusBibleChurch]

@ClintonMichael Verse? Every member of the body of Christ is a saint as they were sanctified at the moment of salvation (1Cor 6:11).

[@michaelgill1301]

1 Timothy 2:13 - ...if we are faithless, he abideth faithful; for he cannot deny himself. What this verse tells you is that YOU CAN BECOME FAITHLESS... and if YOU lose YOUR faith - Jesus will never lose HIS faith, because He knows Who He is, and could never deny that fact. Looking now at Colossians 1:23 - ...if so be that ye CONTINUE in the faith, grounded and STEDFAST, and NOT MOVED AWAY from the HOPE of the gospel which ye heard... The Greek word for "CONTINUE" means to... abide, remain, persevere! If you do not "CONTINUE" in the faith = become unfaithful - according to Colossians 1:23, you have "MOVED AWAY" from the faith, AND you have LOSS the "HOPE" you once had through the Gospel. Do not be fooled by the sophistry of man that tells you that you can not lose your salvation. The N.T. says you can if do not remain faithful!! 1 Corinthians 9:27 - But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

[@memowilliam9889]

On two occasions Paul wrote that the Holy Spirit is given as a down payment. It is a promise from God that he will redeem that person. This down payment is the necessary equivalency of being "born again" So then, does an omniscient God make a down payment on someone he knows (believe me, he knows) that he will not save? Of course not. The Holy Spirit (God) has promised to never leave nor forsake a genuine born-again believer. Does the Holy Spirit fail to keep his promise or was he lying? Of course not! If a genuine born-again believer -- somehow -- went to hell, would the Holy Spirit go with him? Of course not. When a person is born again, God has promised to save that person. NOTHING we can do will change that.

[@stevencook4002]

We are saved by grace and not works, nor do our works maintain our salvation.

[@paulscolardi8441]

Do you have anything where you discussed "the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;" does that mean 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 was preached in all countries at that time ? Colossians 1:6 also......? Thank you in advance

[@ColumbusBibleChurch]

@paulscolardi8441 Paul makes clear that the hope of the gospel was preached to every creature under heaven (Col 1:23). Grace.

[@coolchamp2902]

If I'm being honest, even if salvation is assured, I still fear that verse in 1 cor. 3:15, "suffer loss". Are there less positions in heavenly places that some believers will be placed in for eternity? How long will one suffer that loss?

[@coolchamp2902]

I don't want to be ashamed at the judgement seat of Christ but I don't know how to start now. I'm weak both physically and spiritually. I can't even get my own brothers to trust the gospel. My life doesn't reflect as if I'm being blessed by God. I don't pray consistently everyday, I don't read the bible everyday, maybe if I was part of a church with the same beliefs as me I would have been different. But I feel alone, I'm the only one in my Catholic family that trusts this gospel. If I can't get my brothers to believe then how will I get them to believe? What is your advice Reid? Where should I start from so that I can be competent for God and in other matters of my life like say college?

[@ColumbusBibleChurch]

@coolchamp2902 Believers can clearly suffer loss -- loss of rewards, crowns, etc. Feel free to reach out if you would like to discuss. www.columbusbiblechurch.org/contact

[@francispeter2344]

@@coolchamp2902-Hi Brother! I’m in the same boat as you! I was a Catholic altarboy as a kid for seven years. I had an RC arch bishop as a grand uncle and four brothers and one sister. As an altarboy I saw things in the “church” that most never saw and it made me rebel and lead a twenty year life of drugs and severe compromise to lawful things and an attempted suicide. Long story short I trusted The Lord at age 27 after my suicide attempt. I was so elated to discover the truth about salvation I went and told my whole family and I was rejected by all of them. My youngest brother said he wished I had succeeded in killing myself. I am 71 years old now and have been extremely blessed to have been married to my saved wife (I led her to The Lord) for 43 years and we both are longing for the Rapture. Keep your family in prayer and treat them respectfully but don’t let their rejection of Christ ruin your life. Who knows but they in watching you live your life for Christ may impact them for salvation. Lord Bless you Brother! Chin up! We have absolutely no Grace, rightfully dividing churches with 300 miles of us but we feast on channels here such as David Reid’s, Grace for Today Bible Fellowship-Pastor Donny Holt (on KZbin), Transformed by Grace-Pastor Kevin Sadler et al, and other Grace Rightly Dividing ministries to get fed correctly. Don’t let your family’s rejection destroy you Brother. Trust The Lord and seriously… feed off this ministry and the others I have mentioned and it will help you a lot! Praise God always! Amen!

[@danielbu2611]

Doesn't Peter's example of walking on water demonstrate that trust must remain firm? When he looked at the waves and doubted, his miracle went away.

[@jesussavemetoday975]

I think it shows that Jesus is faithful to us, even when we doubt. Peter's miracle didn't go away (he didn't drown) - Jesus saved him. Just like later, when Peter denied Jesus , Jesus was still faithful to him. Just like the book of Hosea - God is the faithful one. Our salvation does not depend on our being faithful , only on faith as small as a mustard seed.

[@johnnykasselman2952]

​@@jesussavemetoday975 AMEN...!

[@stevencook4002]

What does “trust remain firm mean” anyway? Don’t all believers experience doubt now and then?

[@gojohnnygo3209]

Most Christian would not make it to BEMA. - few will be able to find the narrow gate.

[@Jasonholloway77]

I’ve heard of this teaching. Arlen Citwood/ Zane Hodges 🤷‍♂️

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Gates, doors, sheep, sheepfold, pastures, etc. is a narrative the scripture uses pertaining to Israel entering the prophesied Kingdom age, being approved as having been faithful until the end of Jacob's trouble, as having rejected the Beast mark, as having shown works meet for repentance, as worthy to inherit that Kingdom as a Nation of Priests, to serve Jesus from the Temple, governing over the whole world under Jesus' Government from 12 Thrones. While there may be a few applications made about "narrow gate" for Saints in the dispensation of Grace, those would be purely spiritual application. Then, the way was indeed a narrow way. Today due to the dispensation of Grace, the way is simple, easy, and without works. Yet it's as often rejected on the same basis because man rejects simplicity and meritless Salvation. Jesus referred to Himself as the door. The door has to do with a sheepfold. The metaphor that Jesus used was given at a time when the disciples knew Him after the flesh. Paul makes the distinction that though he once knew Christ after the flesh, he no longer did (as Jesus was then seated beside the Father in Heaven), and therefore he (Paul) and his followers (the Body of Christ) no longer know Christ after the flesh, but spiritually. The same pertained to every visible Saint who still lives here in their fleshly bodies, we are to "know" their identities no longer after the flesh, as we are members of this global spiritual one-body. Our entrance into Christ was not a door or gate. It was a death and resurrection. Metaphorically speaking one might use the term door or gate and get the point across. Biblically, it's more apt to say baptism; our spiritual baptism into Christ's blood-work (a death and resurrection). Hope you're having a lovely day.

[@rockkstah2550]

this teaching gives me the chance to continue in sexual sin and remain save, I'm going to heaven.

[@ColumbusBibleChurch]

@rockkstaj2550 Salvation is not based on stopping sin (Eph 2:8-9), but it is contrary to grace to continue in sin (Tit 2:11-12).

[@rockkstah2550]

@@ColumbusBibleChurch ones saved always save…

[@truthreigns827]

​@@rockkstah2550God's will for you too ...BE saved AND come unto the knowledge of the Truth.

[@memowilliam9889]

If you are looking for a loophole so that you can continue in your sin, then the gospel is meaningless to you. You were never born-again. Thus, you're not going to heaven. However, if you are born-again and you struggle with any type of sin, then God remains faithful. He will not break his promise.

[@TeachingChurch]

This again is total hogwash. You just said if you believe then at a time don’t believe Christ can not deny you. Hogwash. So a person can totally denounce their faith and say I no longer believe the gospel after one time believing it and Christ will say that’s ok jimmy I believed you the first time. Come on man.

[@TeachingChurch]

Your totally taking verses out of context. Once again typical pastor scared to death to go against the gain. Can’t upset my fellow pastors or my congregation. Step up to the plate and please God not man.