QING are the RICHEST and BIGGEST nation in VICTORIA 3

Qing or the Qing Empire start as the richest and biggest nation in Victoria 3, boasting the highest GDP, the largest army and the biggest population. That's not to say this is an easy one, as the Opium wars present Vic 3 qing with a huge issue as they try to take on the #1 power in victoria 3 - Great Britain. Let's see how this Victoria 3 challenge goes as we play as victoria 3 china!
QING are the RICHEST and BIGGEST nation in VICTORIA 3
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[@Night-xn1ks]

Apparently the reason France's GDP gets so high every game is because their one province in India counts as a treaty port, which gives them tariff free access to the British market

[@coenbaan1874]

Yea i tried a few games where i started off cheating to annex it to the east india company, and it made no difference sadly.

[@CuriousConnman]

@@coenbaan1874 damn, really? I guess they also have a lot of easy access to African land which gives those dye farms and such.

[@ignazstaudinger5361]

I havent played britain yet, but frances gdp fgets so massive because tey are simply in a very good spot. No worries about pops, money or building space, you can just grow exponentially. Its also somewhat historical. France was the biggests economy at that time. (Britain counts as two in this game, GB and India…)

[@efulmer8675]

I did a game as France and I can tell you that it's *really easy* to do well with them. Just build everything, build up institutions (especially Guaranteed Liberties - Home Affairs), and your GDP will just sail away. It's 1904 in my game and my GDP is 1.3 billion, GDP/C of 15, highest average Standard of Living in the entire world (22, followed by Wallachia at 21.6 and Germany at 21.4) and I have a huge swathe of Africa (which I have not actually built like anything in) to make my name look big. In particular, be friendly with Prussia as they don't need Alsace-Lorraine to form Germany, at least for now. French people need Wine like nobody's business and German people need Liquor like nobody's business. Instant trade market there where you build up your wheat farms so they produce Wine, import or export the Grain at your preference, protect the wine, build up a massive food industry which also makes liquor, protect the Groceries and export the Liquor to Germany. Your money problems will dissolve. I will put this massive word of caution out there: you will very likely have to acquire oil production yourself (Trucial Coast (modern United Arab Emirates), which is owned by the Trucial states and Oman) as even though the AI could bankroll themselves off of my oil demand, *very little oil production is actually occurring outside of my borders.*

[@154Kilroy]

It's because the AI is in control of France instead of the actual French.

[@vladakulov2678]

I like how casually laith mentions getting people randomly climbing over his fence

[@sickjuicysjamshack3580]

People have fun in the UK

[@vladakulov2678]

@@sickjuicysjamshack3580 Calmest day in bristol

[@sherwingonsalves8821]

Least lunatic people in the United Kingdom

[@KuroiTsukiNoKami]

They were just making a diplomatic play

[@vladakulov2678]

@@KuroiTsukiNoKami hahahahahaha that's so fucking good top tier my man

[@rubenbrouwer6897]

I think Laith is playing this as therapy after the "shocking" last video

[@DovahFett]

Debug mode used to not even be a mod in Paradox titles. It used to be accessible at all times via the tilde key (except for when Iron Man Mode was enabled). I think Imperator: Rome was the first game to hide it behind a launch option.

[@tylermech66]

ck3? then again, ck3 might have been after, memory not good.

[@henryam503]

@@tylermech66 ck3 is long after Imperator

[@tylermech66]

@@henryam503 memory baaad

[@Illuminat-ve5ue]

it is accesable with the tilde, when you start the game in debug mode in steam.

[@stoopidapples1596]

@@henryam503 if by long after you mean exactly 1 game after

[@Randybobandy12345]

It’s pretty funny how you could finish a historical Qing run in eu4 and be THE dominant power in the world, and then 15 years later in Vicky you are a just a terrible place with a terrible army

[@shorewall]

I mean, gameplay wise, it doesn't make sense, but historical wise, it happens. :D

[@warthoggoulags1679]

That's a lot more fun than if you wear invicible

[@shorewall]

@@warthoggoulags1679 Hell, Laith almost wanted to shatter Qing, and he was playing as them! :D

[@Ramschat]

It depends on whether you try to keep up with new institutions in EU4. If you do the historical thing (ignore new institutions and fall behind in terms of tech), I don't think you'd be a dominant power by 1821 anymore

[@halloweenjean]

@@Ramschat this

[@brawnizaa1275]

Hey Laith, we Tunisians are still waiting for the Tunisia video! I already tried them. it's 1895 and I'm the 9th economy and 17 SoL. At first I declared an independence war against the Ottomans with the help of the austrians, who later used their obligation to make me a part of their market (also the ottomans backed down). then I became a protectorate of France who has the biggest economy. I'm now building barracks to declare an independence war against them, their infamy is +50 so I'll probably have an easy time swaying other major powers. Edit: corrected some mistakes

[@brawnizaa1275]

I also had to have a civil to weaken the land owners

[@FancyBurrito47]

Yup, show the Maghreb some love, play Tunisia and make Carthage great again!!! Show those darn Brits how a real economy is made ;)

[@Archon006]

Play Algeria too!

[@thomasfrn4831]

@@Archon006 ce n'est pas facile

[@johnnyboy3410]

just ally the Prussians

[@redteddy135]

i was seriously waiting for laith to make a "in the grand scheme of qings" joke

[@thatponybro6940]

i don't why, i was too, like it would've been a Laith dad joke moment but still

[@echo5327]

I have no desire to play this game but this man playing it is the most entertaining thing I’ve ever seen, he’s so excited about LITERALLY EVERYTHING and it’s amazing

[@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719]

My favorite part of the video was when the aditor whispered "it's morbin time" then made the whole screen black and made the sound dissapear.

[@burntfoot695]

Laith just discovered the Military Industrial Complex lol 33:49

[@amanpreetsekhon3323]

33:42 Laith discovers the military industrial complex.

[@s.2652]

Laith's video's are perfect to end the day with 👌🏻

[@pezcaminando9236]

Hi Laith I´m not living in Gansu but I used to live in Sichuan which is the province just down under. The climate in Gansu is actually relatively similar to Tunisia with both being arid. Anyway, glad to see a great Qing video :)

[@DanWindibank]

I for one really enjoy Vic3 and enjoy the videos a lot - I would love to see what the most cursed government you could make would be, I feel like there’s some insane stuff you could make with the right amount of political micromanagement

[@Nikolaj11]

I was watching another channel where they made a mormon liberal theocracy in Deseret, I think that's pretty close! :D Otherwise perhaps the opposite. A parlimentary state with no rights for anyone with slavery and serfdom and all that.

[@kingjamestres]

Having gone through a lot of pain as Qing its funny to see laith make a lot of the same mistakes I did lol

[@orlandogreenhow2870]

Yeah it’s very hit and miss as to whether you win the Opium Wars. If you get past that then it’s pretty plain sailing and you just need to pass laws

[@herrerasauro7429]

@@orlandogreenhow2870 I got over the hump of the Opium Wars without fighting it, the secret is sucking up HEAVILY to the british before banning Opium. I've sent a METRIC TON of trade routes to then, got a trade deal, improved relationships and then banned Opium. They never attacked me, then I allied France and beat Spain into recognizing me. After this you become ABSOLUTELY OP, your professional army is the same size as whole countries conscription. I bullied the English into giving me a treaty port, I bullied the french and japanese into being my puppets, I bullied the US into giving me California, I stole South Sumatra from the Dutch. The only issue with the Qing is the fact that the world market is ABSOLUTELY useless as the difference in Sell orders and Buy orders are usually so large that It doesn't make a dent and you always need to build things yourself and in the case of Oil and Rubber, you need to steal the provinces to be able to build the extractions which highlighted a big flaw: There's no foreign investments even in your puppets.

[@mrrodgers0]

@@orlandogreenhow2870 The thing is, if you pick the other option in the event that unlocks the ban opium decision, you still get the 5 year addiction debuff, but *you don't have to fight the opium wars* and therefore risk the disunity progress. In fact, considering that you have basically all the raw resources you need before rubber becomes a thing, you have 0 need to fight early offensive wars, so it's waaaay better to just not antagonizes the brits, ignore the debuff, and forgo the buff you get for winning in lieu of hyper-pumping your admin, tech, and industry. Once you catch up to skirmish infantry, you are basically unstoppable.

[@orlandogreenhow2870]

@@mrrodgers0 Yes that is a possibility to. I just prefer to fight the British early to become a recognised major power with a sheer human wave offensive and you can even get war reps too.

[@darkestkhan]

@@mrrodgers0 Meh, just pick the option that lets you ban opium, but don't ban it immediately. Modernize first and after a few years ban it.

[@stoneymcblunt7747]

If you click on the logging camps in that menu there is a drop down where you can individually see each building and assign either hardwood or softwood production, same with the other buildings in the building tab

[@claypicarsic9696]

12:22 i feel ya man. People would always make jokes about me whenever my arts teacher in elementary school would mention clay. 10 years later and every so often I'll have someone make a joke about my name, and all I can say is "yup, heard that one before". It's funny tho imo

[@jorisbongartz]

Really enjoy the Vicky 3 content, keep it coming. I am doing a Ethopia run, it has a really fun start, where you have an event to get a god-like military leader/ruler, and africa can provide you with everything you need. The only hurdle for greatness is an extreemly powerfull landowner party that will reject anything. I really recommend it as a playthrough.

[@pequenoperezoso3743]

There's also beating egypt for eritrea, it's fairly hard when you can barely industrialize to get a modern army thanks to the damn landowners

[@alexbattaglia8297]

I like that bit at the end, while I understand the complaints, I absolutely love this game and can't wait to see what pdx does with it

[@shorewall]

From what I've seen, the complaints have 3 main ideas. One is Vic 2 loyalists, who wanted something more like Vic 2. The other is War gamers, who abhor the lack of emphasis on war, which is a key aspect of EVERY Paradox game. And I would say the third is just people who are dismayed that a new gen Paradox game lacks a lot of features and depth, even though they always do. Not defending it, but when you look at every Paradox game on launch, they do not compare to the same game with DLC and dev time.

[@ClawedAsh]

@@shorewall To be fair I think that third group generally tends to offer good solutions and suggestions to make the game better

[@sovietagent9303]

"Even man, woman, and child must fight." - Laith probably

[@KaffeeAura]

If the entirety of the British army mobilized against u and sent their troops to ur land, why don’t u just naval invade the British with just a battalion and take their undefended land, by the time the ai sends troops back home u should control most of England

[@duolingo0552]

The ultimate reverse tactic

[@hellodolly7989]

This is the type of game I will absolutely get sucked into for weeks lol. All of the menus and micro buttons are perfect for me lol.

[@Killerwale-hk4wy]

What's happening in Laith's neighbourhood when people casually climb over his fence.

[@rennaaa6667]

Those trade deals for 10 units of goods when you're missing several hundred are sure gonna help...

[@efulmer8675]

They start at 10 units but if the other country can make more money by exporting more goods, it will increase in volume until prices stabilize in both markets.

[@wumpyjumps]

Why did the screen go back for 5 seconds at 5:02

[@bumbiino]

i thought my pc crashed or something lmao

[@vincenzosannino3343]

Be slightly down with a resource is good. This makes the farms/mines/industries profitables. Avoid only to go up 20/25% in the price balace.

[@usuilucifer8922]

Advice for people playing Qing. Dead is just a number. You have more than enough to make up for that. Second: it is a good idea to modernize your army first and ally with Russia to divert the British from declaring war on you. The you can proceed to NOT being relie on the British market or other market that need shipping for raw materials. Third: take over Burma whenever you free, why? Because that will allow you to open 2 more front which the British have to split their troops to face you making it easier than to fight during the Victorian era on the fucking Himalayan mountain. A feat no one attempted but Laith. Fourth: due to how the AI and war system being bad in Victoria 3 the AI will NEVER naval invade you when it can transfer troops to a front and fight you. What does that mean? It mean you can intentionally spare some army while a part of it hold back the British since you have such a large army after mobilizing. You can just tie the British down in India and naval invade them unopposed. I did it TWICE. So despite the naval disparities how the war system work is I can just naval invade anyone despite having all my ports blockade. The British still patrol the water around it Island but the AI is dumb so there just holes. You can repeatedly naval invade multiple places to try and probe the hole. First time i land in Ireland and attack into Scotland. The British surrender and recognize me. Second time they guard Ireland but I managed to invade Cornwall. The War system is not bad it’s horrific. Me with 15 ships manage to naval invade British twice is just funny.

[@henryglennon3864]

Don't listen to the haters, Laith. You're not a common tool; you're an extremely expensive, industrial grade tool.

[@EgnachHelton]

There's that province Shanxi that can handle all your coal and iron need.

[@whatser4622]

hi laith feeling shitty rn so thank you sm for posting consistently and giving me a 45 minute video i can relax to while feeling not great :(

[@jamesboyle9383]

It may be fun to make West, South and East Slavia and potentially all of Slavia in a ck3 multiplayer game.

[@taoerche]

Viewer from Gansu here. Would love to work in your arms industry.

[@notabyzantophile]

basically everything in my China game integer overflowed

[@isimiel3405]

I like laiths music useally its the exact opposite of the cluster fuck on screen

[@HEEHEEBOII]

Man I was on a historical run to go from Qing --> republic of China --> military dictatorship --> Communist China. Except I accidentally clicked the wrong choice for an earth quake incident and got extra -3M per month in expenses and totally ruined my game lmao.

[@jamesbutler80]

“And in the qing that’s a lot of mothers” killed me 😂😂😂

[@robbiepaterson4535]

Turns out Laith is actually a Gaelic name as well, so I hereby declare that you are an honourary Scot.

[@YFDB669]

12:50 sometimes I can’t tell if Laith is playing a character or needs to see a shrink

[@honkai8692]

I haven't finished the video yet, but i think your ideas about how to develope Qing in the early game is correct, you just need to reform your government to isolationism and agrarianism, then you massively built up your government administration buildings, you will then see that your income start sky rocking like nut. From my hours of Qing experience start industralize this old dynasty right away feels rather lackluster. Although it's good to start spending money on industry early on, you'll find your self spending more and more and way more money than you initially thought, it also doesn't help that you usually need to raise taxes on the people inorder to industralize, which hearts the economy in one way or another.

[@gringlebandersnatch]

That moment when Britain started the international drugs trade for tea

[@makiskanyt9269]

Ngl Qing in vic3 is much easier to play than vic2 but it also means that you can run the most powerful nation cus of pop but you can also get immigration just from the jobs you are offering it can be insane and i think same as vic2 will be banned in mp

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

1:50 Am I the only one who found that everybody seems to be lacking clothes? Like you can build an ungodly amount of textile-mills throughout the early to mid-game and they will always turn a profit.

[@DondarfSnowbonk]

Love the bit a little after 28m where he essentially translates Malthus into game mechanics.

[@PhoenixFires]

France becoming an insanely rich consumer economy that can beat the Brits, Russians, Americans, Germans, etc. all just by taxing imports in the 1800s is hilarious.

[@therealestsnake]

Macau isn't actually a Treaty Port in the same way Hong Kong is. It was granted to the Portuguese centuries before any other countries got ports. In fact, the Qing never actually really controlled Macau

[@zer9761]

the thing is China is so big that your internal market probably self-sufficient all the way to late game where you need rare resources like rubber and oil only then you kind of relucantly expand in south-east asia... and most your money problems can be fixed by improving taxation in your provinces and some of those provinces alone in size equal to major european powers. You just need to survive the first ten years of the game before industrialization kicks in and after that you'll be able to fight the entire world by yourself

[@blackfang101]

I find being aggressive is great for qing. I usually puppet burma and japan as soon as possible, that makes you quite a bit more powerful, when you also puppet siam and the neighbors you will have so many troops that nothing is an issue anymore. Plus, you add them to your market and you provide plenty of resources for them to industrialize so you will raise all of asia with you. I wouldn't care about taking their territory since you have no need for more population, land or soldiers, you have plenty and would do better with just getting their tribute and investing it in your own lands whilst leaving them to whatever it is they do.

[@LyghtOak]

Is nobody gonna comment how at 5:03 there was just a blank black space with music that lasted until 5:08 ?

[@jakethesnake123]

37:40 tactical genius by laith invading through Tibet 500 iq funny haha

[@jakethesnake123]

Building a navy would have 1000 iq but the video was already over 40 min long

[@jakethesnake123]

❤ your videos much ❤ form Canada laith

[@jamiMusik]

"Stop lathing yourself", *researches lathe* "Stop lathing yourself", *researches lathe* "Stop lathing yourself", *researches lathe* "Stop lathing yourself", *researches lathe*

[@WillKazarian]

For the future video in Victoria 3, where Laith does not ban opium, but goes protectionism, and then make large tariffs from that selling of opium

[@Roxando16]

Hey Laith, You actually import like 10 units of the resource, in tab amount You can see how much is avalible, tip for future

[@kevdog6425]

This game looks fun and I really enjoy watching you play it.

[@big_slurp4603]

Its best to try and secure a defensive pact with Russia early game as it secures your northern front, however turning on them and securing siberian resources is great as I believe they have a number of gold mines. Same with northern Japan recognition is easy with Russia an an ally if you get infamy as its near impossible for the other powers to enforce "cut down to size" diplos. I was able to et Austria to recognise me, after which they fell into revolution then unified with Germany

[@MrPoopyKnux]

bro really was getting robbed and didn’t care

[@loopyguy7611]

Vic 3 is amazing! I cant wait for the growth

[@presidentjames9811]

You should try playing Afghanistan and hold off the great powers

[@KenronTheGamer]

So I had a game recently where Great Britain didn't start the opium war after I banned opium. I then said we take thoes lol.

[@gannonpatton2858]

What was with the blackout between 5:02 - 5:07 ? Did Laith say something he needed to edit out?

[@epicmemer5277]

fr

[@griffinhunter3206]

the fact that the british pronounce lathe the same as laith is the most suprizing things i have heard

[@danialroslan1531]

Isn't that how it's pronounce like "bathe"?

[@griffinhunter3206]

@@danialroslan1531 That is at least how i say it.

[@antorseax9492]

I've never heard a British person say it like Laith, and I'm from the UK

[@ultraplayz785]

Most sane Qing playthrough.

[@masonstark3699]

To stamp out monarchism you have to abolish the monarchy and autocracy and then have a republic for awhile and then an event will fire

[@odin_way]

20:59 didnt know laith was so temperate

[@davidhoopes6863]

I’ve noticed this about France as well. They just get super strong for some weird reason. And their gdp just becomes insane .

[@efulmer8675]

France is just in a good spot. Play as them and just be careful about going into debt and build up everything and you'll race past everyone pretty quickly.

[@TVmantitan779]

Lathe: Can I get rid of Qing Tonsk Me: Do you mean by mass genocide?

[@efulmer8675]

23:00 Laith, in your situation it would have been way more productive to build up grain farms and cattle ranches as you can set the cattle ranches to Intensive Grazing which produces fertilizer but requires a small amount of grain, while the industrial grain farms are way more productive which will supply your ranches as well as an export industry. You're China with literal thousands and thousands of arable land per state. Go ham with the grain and livestock.

[@green6180]

Try to make the best economy/nation (maybe even socialist) possible but in a one state country

[@funbucket09]

I prefer livestock ranches for fertilizer early game as it gives you meat as well

[@Cohor101]

There is a small country called Croatia in Austria, I challenge you to play as Croatia, become independet, destroy Austria, drive ottomans back, have full control over old yugoslavia territories, try to also be in top 10 powers at the end of the challenge. Thanks for everything you do :D Have a good day.

[@OlujaDoTokija]

Small? 😂

[@burtreynolds8030]

@@OlujaDoTokija I’m Vic 3 it’s only like half a state

[@Stejers]

Video idea vic3 as the country of central america it is a really hard countey with all your states wanting to secede

[@tigrecito48]

I heard there was an Eskimo called Qing... he made everyone jump for joy...

[@whatser4622]

rare bob dylan joke

[@jordanzienowicz1513]

33:49 laith discovers the military industrial complex

[@azpont7275]

Qing is really great, reaching a billion (or 2) in GDP is ridicilously fast. You should avoid fighting the Brits early on, it's a lost cause anyways with the tech you start with. The excessive workforce and abundant resources can catapult you to no.1 Great Power rather quickly, just don't forget to max out your innovativness gain (just like with all nations) at the start, as Qing starts with 0 universities. The problem I'm having is with them is the Heavenly Kingdom event chain. I just don't get it. Even if people are well of and not radicalized the event still appears in provinces. I had a run where I somehow managed to get 150 million loyalists in a few months by canceling and restarting to abolish the monarchy, but even then with literally haft the nation being loyal, provinces still got the event, but it never fired. It still sucked tho, bc it never want away either, it was just lingering there, so I couldn't progress on with the Fragile Unity. If it fires, it's not much better neither, I made the mistake in my other run when it fired that I haven't built all my arms and munition industry in the one safe province (Bejing), so obviously the HK got all the arms... and the Russians on their side. I probably should look at game code/wiki (I dunno how VicIII wiki is going) to comprehend it.

[@anarkia2862]

I stopped the heavenly kingdom from firing by enacting closed border early on preventing christians to come, though you cant finish the mission tree if you do that

[@maxbielawski6745]

Laith you can make fertilizer with livestock ranches

[@YFDB669]

Do you guys ever think Laith might’ve moved cause he wanted fresh new bins to burn?

[@dreadfultiresome3537]

I WANT PART 2 OF THIS

[@Bottle-OBill]

I've always heard lathe be pronounced like "bathe", and not like "lace with a lisp".

[@philip8498]

where the people trying to climb over your fence equiped with bin burning tools? i feel like we were very close to solving one of the great mysteries on the channel.

[@SirDerpofCamelot]

I miss that they got rid of feudatories

[@diseabronx5075]

I wonder if all of states will be incorporated at the end of the video.

[@FilAnd01]

I love your vic3 content!

[@50mt]

In my China game I just embraced the regular sol decreases and built my economy around opium exports lol

[@QingChina1]

Thanks!

[@starborneolympus3907]

we are still looking forward to qing flag in drew's room

[@jerrysienfeld9907]

even though ik its just some royalty free music, i hear it in other peoples videos and go "yo the social streamers music"

[@StadtholderCow]

1:10 Laith being extra British

[@ruairikendall302]

one of my complaints with the game is the fact that they call the united kingdom great britain despite the act of union taking plce in 1801

[@ruairikendall302]

@John the Okay doesn't matter if it is cooler it is entirely wrong

[@liamcassidy5992]

Yeah I’d love a dynamic name change for when Britain no longer owns Ireland

[@maxt5634]

I love the Vic3 content!

[@candycornkittie6445]

why is your lighting in this video so *yellow*?

[@KlaatuZu]

Having to customise every single factory production to balance different outputs is so counter-intuitive as you get new techs, but have to keep old ones,,. completely strips the enjoyment away from playing big nations...and that jumping menu when cancelling production... This type of user unfriendliness is far worse than the combat system imho

[@ansuku2949]

More vic pls Great video

[@OrlovKruskayev]

Man shoots the brits to not buy opium, tries to conquer the opium

[@gifs_for_the_peasantry]

You do know now the Laith jokes will get exponentially worse and I'm here for it

[@PagerNinerTwelve]

hey laithe did you know they put you in the game????

[@kieranRRPP]

I found the opium war to be incredibly easy. i even got caught off guard and the english invaded beijing without me noticing and took a decent amount of land. I mobilized everything and held the front line with everything apart from one general and naval invaded my own land and cut off their access to the ocean. and they insta-capitulated.

[@fikripala4160]

is this the grand edition or is it the normal edition of the game

[@jacksonner]

I got your supply of hardwood right here

[@sahilhossain8204]

Hmm yes lore of momentum of great Qing resurgence 100

[@ChrissieBear]

In my playthrough as Qing I never banned Opium, just became the leading producer and Britain couldn't do shit to me xD

[@anarchopupgirl]

Pleeeease use a different kevin mcleod song, man The trumpet trill makes my eye twitch

[@TheLastSoundNL]

He got a wood chip on his shoulder because of the Lathe.