Quantum Mechanics Needs a New Theory - Sir Roger Penrose

[@dang8848]

WTF How did you get Sir Penrose on the show?! Immense, thank you Joe! Sincerley: a Physics graduate

[@decoybackatitagain6576]

why didnt jamie give his relevant opinion on this topic? He got an A in physics after all..

[@SanjeetKumar-xd3ne]

Because Jamie is a good listener.

[@williamstoliker9502]

@@SanjeetKumar-xd3ne because Jamie looks up thing's for joe on a computer and really doesn't know much other than computers I guess. He might be a genius for all I know. I do know he is not a scientist.

[@JL897139]

I can't believe you got this guy on the show

[@nawman2033]

Gonna pretend I understand quantum mechanics and dissagree with this guy

[@SomeSurvive]

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[@Skindoggiedog]

You can't even spell "disagree." Everyone already knows you're an imbecile.

[@alexbonesjones7570]

Brendan Schaub is that you?

[@nawman2033]

@@Skindoggiedog I think you need a hug 😊

[@nawman2033]

@@alexbonesjones7570 😂

[@keithgreenan6204]

You need to get Eddie bravo on to explain quantum physics

[@grimaffiliations3671]

And that is why we don’t just piss through our ass

[@darkstatehk]

WTF......... SIR ROGER PENROSE????? I AM NOT WORTHY. /immediately switches to main podcast.

[@david_porthouse]

*New Theory:* The Schroedinger equation at the ensemble level is very accurate and we can take it for granted that modification of it is forbidden. Any computer simulation of quantum mechanics *must* make use of a random number generator. There are two ways to resolve these apparently conflicting requirements. *The first way* is to note that of course we need a nonlocal theory, as John Bell has argued. The simplest nonlocal theory notes that there is more than one way to travel faster than light. I would suggest that the Schroedinger equation describes an oscillation in one of the ways, and we can have orthogonal tachyonic Brownian motion in the other way. No aetiology is proposed for this. The TBM has an effect during the nonlinear interaction between the wave function and the electromagnetic field, and its use in any simulation gets us round the Schroedinger's cat paradox. Now consider some nitrogen tri-iodide under bombardment by alpha particles, as compared to nitrogen trifluoride under the same bombardment. Any computer simulation of this must have some ingredient to distinguish the radical difference in behaviour between the two substances that will be observed. I suggest TBM as that ingredient. Alternative suggestions are welcome. Two molecules of nitrogen tri-iodide can constitute a detector in the classical sense, and this bizarre substance is like the missing link between the quantum world and the classical world. Unfortunately the computer simulation of this detector will require at least twenty four dimensions of configuration space, just counting the atoms. I would suggest that this is as good as it gets. Maybe someone else can think of a simpler detector, but it is very likely that any other detector will also require an impossible number of dimensions. *The second way* is simply to throw away the Schroedinger equation and replace it with a classical system with some classical Brownian motion, so the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is replaced by the Fuerth Uncertainty Principle on the same scale. This second way is applied to all objects heavier than the Planck mass. It is frankly a piece of handwaving by me, but it does at least have tachyonic Brownian motion as an aetiology. An electron in a potential well is modelled by using the Dirac equation plus tachyonic Brownian motion for the electron, with correlated TBM for the electromagnetic field. The well itself is modelled with a bit of classical Brownian motion as part of a heavy object. This design of the well is just decoherence by another name, and can deliver on the collapse of the wave function. Note also the propensity of the monochromatic Dirac wave packet to behave like a tachyon. The jointly correlated TBM behaves like a nonlocal natural Vernam cipher and may be able to deliver on the violation of Bell's inequalities. We will just have to see. Any computer simulation will be placed in the public domain even as I am still working on it. Perhaps other people will come up with better ideas.

[@mastere682]

💯 speaks the truth. This man is real!

[@nakulsharda6771]

Sir Roger Penrose on a Joe Rogan podcast😱😱

[@markdelej]

Quantum mechanics is the most accurate theory humans have ever developed

[@-_Nuke_-]

correct

[@1eV]

No. It's Electrodynamics

[@markdelej]

Mubaswir Sabbir its called quantum electrodynamics so is part of quantum mechanics. But i could be wrong, sean carroll said it was humans most accurate theory

[@jmcsquared18]

@@markdelej Yes. Quantum electrodynamics is a specific quantum field theory regarding how electrons interact with light (photons). It makes spectacularly accurate predictions. It was so successful that it informed physicists of how to concoct other quantum field theories for things like nuclear interactions.

[@Predator517]

@@jmcsquared18 then came renormalization and the loss of the remains of my sanity

[@stickyblicky11]

The title is very misleading and it contributes to the confusion revolving quantum mechanics. Sir Roger Penrose himself said this very thing in the podcast earlier.

[@Drift_x27]

Maybe im not saying this right but since the quantum world seems to have a different set of laws governing it, could it be possible that the universe on a larger scale is also govern by laws that are alien to us

[@ArtworkAnon]

Fucking awesome. I love what this show has become. I love you joe.

[@brianwyse5810]

Ryan Christensen well said

[@ouyardbird5172]

Two Slit Experiment. Atoms passing through a single slit on a plate projected a single mass in the form of the slit on the back screen. Atoms passing through 2 slits on a plate projected a wave interference pattern of multiple masses in striped formation (wave interference pattern). to find out why this happened, they placed a detector on one of the slits to count each atom as they passed through. about half of the atoms went through the upper slit, the other half, the lower as expected; however, the pattern projected on the screen was simply 2 individual masses in the shape of the slits ( wave function collapse ). 3rd mind blowing experiment. Okay since the atoms know that we're watching them, then we simply do not observe them until they are already in the act of producing the wave interference pattern. They turned it on in the middle of this, and the wave collapsed. ( 2 masses were projected ) The problem is that when you try to observe the behavior of atoms making the wave interference pattern to explain what the atoms are doing, the Atoms become aware and revert back to it's source observation. They go back in time and change. This is Insanity and we're probably in a simulation because we can't see what's actually going on in front of us.

[@Familyproud-e9h]

Have you listened to Hangman's podcasts?

[@MindbodyMedic]

"The atoms become aware" Lmao

[@jwarmstrong]

Quantum theory is a guess using mathematical models/equations - which causes more questions than provable with our current technology - sort of like believing in aliens because the math says it is possible

[@sangeetadhaniaignoremyjtar2346]

"No discovery was made without a bold guess." -Sir Isaac Newton

[@_WeDontKnow_]

"sort of like believing in aliens because the math says it's possible" No friend, you're misunderstanding. The math says it's nearly impossible for intelligent alien life to NOT exist. It doesn't just say "yea it's possible technically"

[@brendawilliams8062]

It is the technology

[@flyingspinners1]

With our current tech a lot of quantum theories cannot be experimentally verified you make a guess and refine it according to experimental results until its 100% accurate

[@GuerrasLaws]

The energy, which is being applied from within the planet's core, is what creates gravity and not because of the size of the planet, its mass, or by space-time curvature. Gravity cannot exist without applied energy. ~Guadalupe Guerra

[@-KillaWatt-]

I have a laymans knowledge of quantum mechanics. I know some things like entanglement and super positions, etc but I have a KZbin's video/wikipedia articles knowledge of it. Lol.

[@patbateman69420]

If you know your calculus you could read Shankar with no knowledge of physics. Obviously the Susskind books are easier though.

[@jusspimpin]

That's not true, because in 1990 there was a Russian scientist named Povandolakoviviscov Kintayionshinkov and...why you skip the name? I will not finish the story.

[@6431arshad]

Hopeless Wanderer its fucking cliché as fuck dude

[@IgnarHusky]

To be fair, I read the whole thing. Dick ;D

[@-_Nuke_-]

HAHAHAHAAAA XD

[@raulreveles9722]

Quantum Mechanics is an Engineering Model; the physicist gave up a long time ago.

[@markgunther2502]

Quantum mechanics makes about as much sense as the big bang.

[@josiahpulemau6214]

Indeed. Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever 😂

[@NoMoreBsPlease]

Quantum Mechanics IS Quantum Physics! The issue is we haven't quite figured it out. We haven't squared it with Special Relatively. I have a feeling Einstein is wrong about Light being a speed limit. It just doesn't make sense why it would be a "universal speed limit.

[@mr.heylel666]

The speed of light has a formula to it though.

[@samueljele]

Quantum Physics - Quantum Field Theory, to be precise - is in agreement with Special Relativity.

[@allaamrauf8214]

@@samueljele In what way is it in accord with Special Relativity?

[@Gh0stily111]

What you just said made me turn into your profile picture.

[@samueljele]

@@allaamrauf8214 In that the laws of QFT are invariant under Lorentz transformations.

[@grayskull1521]

Quantum mechanics doesn't need a new theory. We need to flesh out the MANY MANY theories that have been put forward and only listen to new trains of thought on those theories that actually work with the prediction models that are proven to yield results.

[@grizzlyadamblack]

Quite right

[@sobe1735]

hell with those etoro ads

[@Snowblind627]

Joe "frought with woo" Rogan

[@peterluxus7382]

When they say "quantum mechanics" is strange, just because nonlocality seems to be at work, then they mean it is "strange" in the context of a materialistic worldview, right? Because if you switch the worldview to idealism, put the mind as basis for physical reality, then it makes all sense.

[@moesypittounikos]

So you have read Bernardo Kastrup?

[@demotics2005]

Can we have Sabine next pls?

[@1jams]

Why does it seem like Mathematicians always want definitive answers to all equations they try to map out. As if they cannot accept the unknown variable and in turn say that it's incorrect or needs a new definition or it's untrue and needs more study before we accept it to be of value.

[@lvitch]

Everything is fields, and fields aren’t waves or particles. Z.

[@-_Nuke_-]

?

[@lvitch]

NUKE yeah. Understand that. Legit physics.

[@carlosboozer6017]

Hmm quite. 1:25 hmm I see but hmm I’m gonna have to disagree 1:56 yes quite, quite.

[@barthalomewjenkins5375]

WOO-Tang

[@robinvincent1162]

at the quantum level everything acts as through it is one place

[@Srkt6]

Listen to the father of quntum mechanics. They said clearly, we don't understand quantum mechanics. They tried to understand the nature of physical world but path followed by them (Quntum mechanics) by which they wanted to understand physical world is actually very difficult or we can say wrong and also they were realize this fact. But after that new scientists came and they also tried to understand the physical world but they dont had base so they just streached the QM and this is how QM reaches to us. What is going on today in QM is just stretching ideas of father of QM but the scientist today forgot the words of fathers of QM and the words were "we don't understand QM".So what today happening in QM is just lie.

[@DavidporthouseCoUk]

An apparent problem with a new theory of quantum mechanics is that the Schrodinger equation is just too successful. I will therefore suggest that modification of it is forbidden, and we need to look for some new degree of freedom to exploit. What the Schrodinger equation describes is an oscillation in one way to travel faster than light, and alongside it is tachyonic Brownian motion in the other way to travel faster than light. This is a schoolboyish idea by itself, but there is an underlying idea that these two types of behaviour are strictly orthogonal to each other. In any numerical method we need to make a random choice between a spacelike and a timelike integration, which is what tachyonic Brownian motion means in practice. At least we are now out of Feynman's terrible strait-jacket.

[@rubixcubesolve]

The people with the equation is actually that it is not accurate. As soon as you take a measurement you get a different result than what would be predicted from the equation

[@allaamrauf8214]

How is it accurate if the measurements fail? The Schrödinger equation was initially to be used only for waves.

[@david_porthouse]

This is a numerical method which uses a random number generator. You would need to look at an ensemble of computer simulations before asking questions about accuracy.

[@lindennavarro9096]

yes we do

[@zoidberg9607]

Blue eyes white dragon or dark magician? sub 2 pewdiepie

[@lancehenry3165]

Thats awesome but have you tried DMT???

[@errands8253]

Lance Henry I have :) infact I came out of a trip about 2hrs back

[@dcfunhouse]

i got that cuz my son loves yugioh. I don't understand everything about quantum entanglement, but its much simpler than yugioh.

[@tyler-iy4jk]

I wish joe rogan could ask better questions related to physics.

[@MattWeismiller1994]

I wish Joe realized how he's more intelligent than he says. An ability to recapitulate complex ideas in a simple manner sounds like logical, intellectual and interpersonal intelligence at least an above average level.

[@NoMoreBsPlease]

I want to know why everyone pretends light is some universal speed limit. Einstein has been wrong before...

[@alexfromandyandalex8032]

No More BS Please to begin with I’m currently a physics student so this is something I study, when saying Einstein has been wrong before I believe you’re referring to the EPR paradox and the subsequent Copenhagen interpretation made by Bohr in response. This is the only time I remember Einstein being on the wrong side of things. As far as light being the universal speed limit it comes from many different sources, it can be derived purely mathematically, it can be observed in many ways. A common way to think about it though is the fact that photons are massless particles, as such they travel at the the speed limit (the speed of light) they cannot be made to go faster or slower. (I am just referring to the same medium here let’s imagine all this in a vacuum to make it easier) another way to extrapolate to this “universal speed limit”. Is through a mixture of mathematics and observation. This is done with time dialation and length contraction which is a real observable phenomena, something proposed and shown by Einstein, and through these it is clear mathematically as objects travel arbitrarily close to light speed many of these factors diverge to infinity showing this speed limit. Very interesting stuff but also pretty well proven and tested for validity. It’s an old almost 100 year old theory that has stood strong.

[@tyler-iy4jk]

​@No More BS Please The speed of light was originally measured in astronomy where the time difference was calculated between when an object should appear and when it was observed(through a telescope) by knowing the distance(through trigonometric parallax) and its orbit(newtonian orbit). Before special relativity, Galilean relativity would mean light could have a variable speed to an observer depending on their velocity(direction and speed). Maxwells equations say that the speed of light(the propagation of EM waves) must be constant, so theorist introduced an ether in which the speed of light could be relative to, but through the Michelson-Morley experiment it was shown to not exist. The solution of special relativity made it so time and distance changed relative to the speed of light, thus keeping the speed of light constant. A consequence is the famous E=mc^2 which means as speed increases to the speed of light, so does mass which takes further energy required, until the energy required is infinite(not possible) so nothing with mass can go faster than light. Also light is how we observe things(how could we see if they went faster), I think that there supposedly is/was theoretical particles which theoretically go faster than light but they are not really confirmed. Read Stephen Hawking "a brief history of time" where I learned all of this.

[@aminam9201]

there is a very high percentage that the Problem of non-local and quantum entanglement effects is related to the early stages of time creation (this is real, there is time creation) it has to do with gravity too.... so the problem not really with quantum mechanics but there's something missing (more advanced physics) what Einstein wrote about space-time is not enough at all even though it dazzling a lot of them. the revolutionary way of thinking shouldn't start from here rather by reviewing the entire exact sciences taking a new concept of time and space, there is still a problem with the constants too (filled the gap but no real scientific explanation) they have to do with infinity concept thus "time"....

[@aminam9201]

there are those reading comments on closer to truth and stealing, one of them physicist writing a theory exactly what I have written on closer to truth, the problem is that they do not understand what is science and what is the purpose of what I have written! not only in physics, it is a hopeless case, the only solution is investing in and relying on the future generations.

[@chrisjacob721]

Joe " whats quantum mechanics?" Rogan

[@-_Nuke_-]

xD

[@patrickstar0212]

I learned quantum from Antman so I understand....

[@s03365]

Dude if you got ken wheeler in here

[@zakirhussain-js9ku]

Quantum Particles Theory can better explain Matter, Energy and Space.

[@qslingo]

Is Zero Point Energy (ZPE) a reference to "Energy" as phenomena or "Energy" as a substance? In that the "Next Generation" is here now, and the Physics and Metaphysics communities are currently entangled in the chaos of a terminology duplicity dysfunction that is prohibiting the perceptual unification required to tap the potential of Quantum Energy Mechanix... e.g. the long promised Star Trek Replicator, Self Healing, and Social Stabilty,... inherent within the field we are immersed, is it possible that proponents of each mindset implement a common catagorical subdivision of the Directory Root: ENERGY... e.g. ENERGY/PHENOMENA and ENERGY/SUBSTANCE. For a more explicit justification of requested terminology revision, and methodology to achieve perceptual unification, see Space-Time Energy As Substance Underlies All Space-Time Energy Phenomena at: www.uqsmatrixmechanix.com/UQSETermDys.php

[@mid1chosen]

I have solved this problem

[@donaldturner5124]

Joe, I think you would be interested in getting Victor Davis Hanson on your program.

[@oaxacachaka]

Quantum astrology is pretty cool.

[@mltiago]

Quantum Cheeseburger is delicious!

[@-_Nuke_-]

@@mltiago but too tiny...

[@hastinmy]

yes

[@Budisgud69]

Joe "Farts in a jar then gives it to his wife" Rogan.

[@nerminsnowhuseinbasic9340]

So Weinstein was right, Michio and others are out ot control

[@viktor7401]

Joe really should of got him high.

[@ho2673]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@bananaposo]

Wow

[@josephpaige3614]

WTF

[@letsdebate839]

I love quantum physics espionage quantum mechanics faster that light travel is possible there

[@traedragoon3892]

First

[@LegacyEvoAce]

He’s horrible at explaining anything.

[@daniram2002]

Tax the Rich! End the Wars! #bernie2020 🇺🇸✊🏻

[@ashwinnair1623]

Have to agree. He didn't stand up against BLM. Even Hillary did.

[@daniram2002]

Flash Fordon Trump ran on ending American imperialism but once in office he kisses the Jewish Wall and prostrates to the Saudis. Took trump two years to end the Syrian war but could of did it day one! Bernie will actually change shit unlike Obama. Bernie doesn’t take money from no special interests, corporations, banks, or foreign countries. Bernie is legit bro. I think the right is scared of the word socialism and think Bernie is going to make America a communist country when that’s ridiculous lol America will be a unique hybrid of capitalism/socialism which basically already kinda is but under Trump we still got Wall Street running our economy like a casino and we get none of the Wealth which the working class did and not the billionaires. Trump is the establishment he’s a billionaire. Bernie is a American democratic socialist and that’s not a communist or a globalist or a neoliberal. Hillary represents that which the real Left hates.

[@daniram2002]

Flash Fordon wow that’s ridiculous! You know we have corruption in our Government? Because special interests run our Government and not we the people. Bernie would end that and Trump will never do that! As long as Trump is in office Saudi Arabia and Israel will control our foreign-policy but with Bernie that ends. So think again about your loyalty to a fascist Zionist like Trump.