Quarter Panel Rust Repair: Focus on Clamping and Welding Patch Panels

[@inekejansen212]

Hi. I got fed up waiting for hubby to fix the paint and dents in my car. he would do every one else's . So after watching a lot of your videos It gave me the confidence to give it ago. So went out and bought a lot of the tools I've seen you use not top quality but good for me. A friend also got interested so we both give it ago. We have fixed most of my vehicle not perfect but a lot better than it was. Now we are starting on my friends car. I love your videos give a lot of information without all screaming that other you tubers do. So thanks again.

[@LakesideAutobody]

I'm so happy to hear that! Keep me updated on how your project goes. Keep at it - you'll turn out a great paint job and be proud and confident - there's no limit. Good job - love to hear it.

[@britjamaine9229]

I love your story, and do you enjoy doing those repairs now? I ‘m stuck digging a hole for a pool I don’t want and am dieing on the inside because I have two Broncos and a van that need body work to be finished. I watch a few channels to live through them in the meantime.

[@lawncuttingplusdelta]

Good 👍🏻 for your girl 👧:)

[@peglegtoo]

The tip on reverse mounting sanding pad in the grinder is great.

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks - save a lot of frustration of removing the tire and trying to get at it - glad it helped.

[@shawndinterman2219]

Was so reassuring seeing it done with a Flux core. At the end of the day your videos are meant for DIY guys and lots of guys don't have the expensive MIG's

[@LakesideAutobody]

Glad you appreciate the videos Shawn - thanks for the support :)

[@lawncuttingplusdelta]

Hey , what is flux core ? I’m looking to patch my 74 nova , and don’t have a fancy mug welder

[@shawndinterman2219]

@@lawncuttingplusdelta it's still a mig welder but it doesn't use shielding gas, you can pick up a cheap O from harbor freight that plugs into a standard plug for $120 USD all day long. Great for thin sheet metals and lighter materials. Just make sure you use actual Flux core wire made for a Flux core machine

[@lawncuttingplusdelta]

@@shawndinterman2219 thanks man that’s great advice …. I’m gonna get me one

[@invis7150]

I enjoy your videos, much better than reality shows, keep them coming.

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks Paul - that's good to hear. Have a good week :)

[@BearBudgetgarage]

Good demonstration. I have a job with a Ton of lower rust spots. Budget job. Using old fenders for donor metal. Using fiberglass in areas. Bondo glass. All I have is a flux core welder ...so I have had some burn-thru, but it's getting better as I go. Absorbed a few tricks from your videos on making panels, tapping down welds, all that good stuff. There is no way I can purchase authentic repair panels for this vehicle, so it's a "use-what-u-got" situation and make it look as good as you can. 👍

[@LakesideAutobody]

That's all it was in the first body shop I worked at. Every one used scrap panels and made custom patches the best they could, mudded it up, primed and painted it. It was a good shop too - had a decent reputation. Thanks for the support BBG and I'm happy to hear the videos help in some way. Have a great weekend my friend :)

[@Freetheworldnow]

I have subscribed, as I really like your tutorials!!! No annoying music, no needless verbal diarrhea, just straight to the point. Just what I like. Thanks for sharing your passion and your skills with a really broad audience. God Bless.

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks for the support Pierre and you're welcome. Have a good week :)

[@chrisbishop8979]

I Love your rust repair and welding videos. From MN, very useful! Chris.

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks 👍

[@bobgreen3116]

Another great video. I'm so very glad I found your channel. I have learned so much from you. You have a great teaching ability where you stay calm and explain everything very well. Once I get my health back I have my son's 56 to do. Headlight caps first. Wish you had a video on replacing 56 chevy headlight buckets and caps. Thanks again, oh also great intro guitar music. I play and love that opener! 👍

[@LakesideAutobody]

I like the 56 much better than the 57 Chevy. Very tough looking car. Just an icon of the time. 50's = 56 Chevy 60's = GTO 70's = Trans Am w/ T tops - :)

[@dwaynelejeune3508]

Great tips learn a lil something each I watch your vid. No BS drama like some others. Keep up the great work

[@LakesideAutobody]

I appreciate that. Glad you like the calm approach - I can't bring myself to do anything but that :)

[@carlosprincipe2344]

@@LakesideAutobody z-

[@wiz1341]

Lol

[@chrismitchell45]

Awesome video as always. I have to say, moving to a gas mig machine from an FC machine makes life soooo much easier when working with 22 gauge. It’s especially noticeable when watching this video compared to your other flux core videos. Granted, it’s much more expensive having to buy or rent a bottle, you can’t use gas in windy conditions but if you’re only welding body panels in the garage, it’s the only way to go. On another note… why do I keep forgetting to use a screwdriver or something to press the edges together?? 😂

[@LakesideAutobody]

You're absolutely right. MIG is the way to go in a body shop. In a pinch, it's good to have a flux core laying around for emergency - but nothing beats a good quality MIG welder. Nice job Chris - way to stick with it and find the answer :)

[@davidwood1923]

Great Job... Inside and out. Your Videos are Very Helpful. Thanks for Sharing

[@LakesideAutobody]

You're welcome David. Glad they help you out :)

[@moparnut6286]

man this is the mustang that just keeps giving.......... love this stuff got me an escort with a lot of the same damage and your vids have helped me out!

[@LakesideAutobody]

Almost ready for paint. I'm glad you can use the information. What's a mopar nut doing driving an escort? :)

[@moparnut6286]

@@LakesideAutobody Simple I don't drive my mopars in winter except for my ramcharger slathered in fliud film cause NJ is salt happy! escort and a taurus, plus an olds intrique are my beater cars that wife and daughter drive as well.

[@johnblackburn7673]

Some great tips in this video make it look so simple. Thanks for sharing years of experience and know how.

[@LakesideAutobody]

You're welcome. Have a good weekend :)

[@jimcameron4672]

A work of art , great instructive videos

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks Jim - I appreciate the support :)

[@esljoourney]

Great job!

[@colinstables]

I really appreciate these videos, there’s a time for butt welding and there’s a time to lap it and get it done

[@LakesideAutobody]

Well said! Have a good weekend :)

[@mavecobrasil4446]

🙋🏼‍♂️muito bom irmão parabéns amigo pelo seu trabalho 👍🏻 🇧🇷

[@stanleymilgram4788]

I wouldn't fill, I'd just paint it. Looks cool. I have a lot of work needed on the underside and I don't have a lift or a pit. Or a welder.

[@LakesideAutobody]

That would look cool - do a whole truck or jeep like that :)

[@jamesbarlowjr.3762]

Very Nice work! I enjoy watching. It’s been a long time since I e done body and it help to keep mind sharp. 🤝

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks 👍 Time to get a project car - maybe. They're expensive now. Can't find anything with V8/RWD/Standard trans that's affordable.

[@victorjoines6369]

I like your videos. Thanks

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks Victor. Victor was my dad's name - he taught me a lot of this stuff 👍😊

[@kobiroar4221]

It’s looks shiny but poorly cleaned up for a finished top surface, of all welds

[@johnfharvey]

Really helpful videos. Thanks. Been doing a lot of similar welding recently on a Bongo and will be using some of your tips with added confidence 👍.

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks - glad they helped you out.

[@john7017]

Nice work! Real craftsman.

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks - have a good weekend :)

[@mcsmith7606]

Won't the metal inside rust out?. You are protecting it with anything? I really am learning from you videos. Thank you for posting them.

[@LakesideAutobody]

Here's how you can easily and effectively treat the repair after it's painted: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bonEi3WvbKx2baM Glad to hear you like the videos - you're welcome BTW. Jerry

[@kaylieeverett7838]

Hi, could you provide a 'parts used' list? I'm fixing up the rear quarter panel on my subaru and stumbled across this video

[@LakesideAutobody]

Yes - I'll put them in the description :)

[@marklewis7976]

Thanks for the video. I'm wondering, you didn't seem to fully connect the spot welds as there are gaps between them. Do you not have to weld it completely? Thanks!

[@LakesideAutobody]

You can if you want I don't usually because once I knock it down and there is a rigid layer of filler over the top I never really have any rust reappearing. If it's going to rust again, it will rust where water and debris gets trapped and stays moist. Drainage is the key along with strategic rust proofing - this may help w/ the rust proofing - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2GYlYGuqZKhjMU

[@davidg5704]

@@LakesideAutobody I see you used seam sealer on weld line of inner patch. How long does that need to cure before spraying rust inhibitor in pocket? Learning alot Thank you. Picked up a 140 Forney Flux welder to do same repair.

[@GilbertoGirardi]

Could you have done it with a gasless portable 110V MIG Welder? A MIG Welder with the gas tube is too expensive to fit in my budget right now. I've never welded but feel encouraged to begin working on the rusty rocker panels of my 2003 GMC Yukon XL 1500 slt 5.3l. Thank you to take your time to pass on your knowledge.

[@LakesideAutobody]

I was asked that before a couple of times so I'm going to buy the $99 one from HF and do a video on it. If you can wait about a month, I'll get that video uploaded and you'll have your answer. I think you can do it with a bit of practice though. Have a good weekend :)

[@GilbertoGirardi]

@@LakesideAutobody Looking forward.Thank you!

[@ramcentralstation]

l love watching your videos. is it true that you have to unhook the battery on the car before welding on it? I always have just to be safe because I was told if I didn't it would ruin my alternator.

[@LakesideAutobody]

It is true, although when I have forgotten nothing has ever happened. Here's a good article from I-CAR on it - rts.i-car.com/collision-repair-news/crn-1075.html#:~:text=Make%20sure%20the%20battery%20is,components%20from%20the%20welding%20area.

[@jrhalli2]

new sub here. when you made the bridge weld to fill the gap you dialed welder back to 1. Was that so you could make more passes quicker and keeping heat out of surrounding metal?

[@LakesideAutobody]

The reason I would dial back is fear of blowing through. If you have to bridge a gap 2 (or that setting on my welder) is going to be too hot. I'll end up blowing molten metal away and making a bigger hole. Any time you have to weld up a hole or a gap dial back, build it up first, then finish on a hotter setting once you have some metal backing you up :)

[@jrhalli2]

@@LakesideAutobody I completely forgot about blow through. What do you think about backing the hole with copper? Thanks for the reply and the videos!

[@LakesideAutobody]

@@jrhalli2 Since you can't do it all the time (can't get inside panels), you'll have to get used to a way to do it w/o. Good if you can get it back there though. It's not bad just backing off on the heat and doing shot zaps to fill the hole. Sometimes it is frustrating like if you run into thin metal from rust.

[@CA-pv5ie]

Love your videos - any chance you could film making patches like that outer patch panel?

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks. For sure - I think that would be a good topic for a video.

[@CA-pv5ie]

Brilliant! Looking forward to it.

[@danielleach2307]

Excellent as always can you show how you actually made the patch pannel body lines

[@LakesideAutobody]

Yes - that's a good idea. I'll do a short video focusing only on that topic. Have a great weekend :)

[@danielleach2307]

@@LakesideAutobody you to thanks for doing that for all of us

[@jeffreylonigro1382]

You have a Millermatic 130 I think. What’s your settings for 16 ga. ? I have a 135 and the suggested is 5/50. It it just doesn’t sound as nice as yours.

[@LakesideAutobody]

It's a Millermatic 90. It has 4 heat settings. with 16 gauge, I'd start at around 2 for the heat and maybe 30-40 for the wire speed - then go up or down from there depending on if I'm blowing through. Let me know if you have any other ?s - Jerry

[@KakarotoInvento11028]

Hola, no se le hace una costura completa a la soldadura del parche ? Me refiero a puntos de soldadura bien pegados. Gracias. Saludos desde Argentina

[@LakesideAutobody]

Puede soldarlo sólido o dejar espacios entre las soldaduras. He tenido buena suerte en ambos sentidos. No parece hacer una diferencia. Tu elección. Hello from Northern Michigan :)

[@garyburgess3829]

What guage metal do you use for patches..great video

[@LakesideAutobody]

I use 22 gauge (.030") or 20 gauge (.035"). In this vid it was 20 gauge. A1008 (AISI 1008) cold rolled (CR) steel sheet from Alro Steel. 4x8 sheet is around 100 but lasts quite a long time.

[@garyburgess3829]

Thanks Jerry

[@KSMike1]

Lakeside Autobody do you just use whichever one you have on hand, or are you trying to match the surrounding metal thickness? Also, do you always run a particular wire size? Is your welder a 110 or 220 model? I wasn’t sure if setting “1” on a 110 machine is the same on a 110 as it is on a 220.

[@steverynearson1960]

Awesome video! Thank you for sharing!

[@LakesideAutobody]

You're welcome. Have a good weekend :)

[@franciscomontesdeoca5316]

Very Kool job sir,Kool ideas.thanks

[@LakesideAutobody]

You're welcome - have a good week :)

[@TK42138]

Such a useful technique. 👍

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks - glad it helped :)

[@husky1232]

Great video Jerry I have a ? For you dose it make any difference if you was using just electric mig welder no gas thank you for the video

[@LakesideAutobody]

You're welcome. I do like a gas welder but I've been asked that a few times so I ordered a $99 Harbor Freight flux core mig welder and I'm going to make a video on that. The internet says sheet metal is too thin for flux core 'cause it is a hotter weld but I'll have to see for myself. I tried it once a lot time ago and didn't like it but maybe I didn't give it a chance. If you wait about a month I'll have that video uploaded and you'll have a for sure answer. Have a great weekend :)

[@GodsMan500]

Great video. Why did you choose to do a lap weld instead of a butt weld?

[@LakesideAutobody]

Here's the long version but worth the read: Lap welding is how all body shops in Michigan repair rust (welding or adhesive). Strictly butt welding a patch panel, which has become popularized by the internet and TV, is not the best quality repair and there are many good reasons why professional body shops don't do it. Shops use a combination of both lap and butt (butt for spots that can’t be knocked down like edges) on almost every patch but would never just butt two pieces of metal up, weld it, then grind away at the area attempting to metal finish it. Here why with good reason - especially Eastwood’s starting 22 seconds in: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKGrZmOhnZmKZpI * kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5eunYGHe5Kiaqs * kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2rFm42Vit2ngMk Today’s metal is .030. That is literally 6 hairs (hair is .005) thick. You start grinding on that and the result is paper thin metal and welds. Lap and Butt methods can work well if done properly so in the end it’s what works for you.. Keep in mind, you won’t find anyone butt welding in professional shops. Surely you’re not going to butt weld and metal finish this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWfdnJZviraUitU or some of my other rust repair videos. If you use a small overlap, weld solid and you won’t have to worry about moisture - especially if you keep the drain holes clean (most important thing in rust prevention). Note that the opening of the seam is upside down on the inside (no moisture trapped). Please see this video for longevity of this type of repair if done correctly: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bonEi3WvbKx2baM or kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKCWaJeOYpKqZqs

[@AdrianMorse42069]

What type of welder do you use?

[@LakesideAutobody]

I use a Miller Millermatic 90 - 110v - .023 wire. It's older (from the 90's) but they still make a small one like it - so does Lincoln - they're good to :)

[@fercampos838]

Do I need to empty the gas tank in order to weld? I am new here and I doubt to weld …

[@LakesideAutobody]

You do not have to empty the gas tank. Be smart though - don't weld near the gas tank door while it's open. Sniff around under the car for fumes before welding in that area, etc. If you have a bad gas leak somewhere then there may be a chance of a fire but if there is no leaks, you will be fine. Never saw a fire over 30 years of doing body work :)

[@crestrickissofly]

Love the channel! Lots of great advice and tips. Working on a 76 Dodge Ramcharger with my rust then good metal. Any advice you can give as to where you would start first? I’ve been a bit over whelmed after I pulled all the interior and found previous repairs and much more rust then I expected. Any insight on how you approach a project would be greatly appreciated. Thanks from the great Canadian salt belt.

[@LakesideAutobody]

I love Ramchargers! I had a 1987 in perfect condition a few years back but sold it because of gas prices. There are lots of great internet sites that carry patch panels for that vehicle. Don't be scared - start with the rust holes and dents first. Just cut that rust out and do the best you can on the inner panels. Once you have them you can throw on the patch panels . Heres a couple vids that may help kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2m5h5-Pha6cnaM - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWfdnJZviraUitU Ater you get all your heavy duty body work finished you'll move to DA sanding the entire truck, mask off, scuff shiny areas, etc. and paint. I will be doing a video soon on finishing this Mustang so you can get an idea of what to do after your body work is finished. Keep me updated on your progress and ask ?s - Jerry

[@leighbratcher1998]

I have watched a lot of your videos and really enjoy your down to earth approach. One question I have you may have answered earlier. when making your panels what gauge of metal do you use? Do you match what is already there or do you have a standard gauge that you use? Again, I really enjoy your videos. I am currently working on a 1970 Datsun Roadster.

[@LakesideAutobody]

Never heard of the Datsun Roadster but that's one cool car - very good looking little car. I use 22 gauge (.030") or 20 gauge (.035). Most late model cars and trucks are right around 22 gauge. 20 gauge is not that much thicker and that's all I could get at Alro Steel - a 4x8 sheet of A1008 cold rolled steel sheet. It's right around $100 if you pick it up yourself. I'm glad you enjoy my videos - I hope to continue to upload them. Have a great weekend :)

[@ashramdhan1582]

Wear welding gloves you can get serious burns on your hands. Besides it was a great video very valuable thanks. I like that grinder with the little wheel what is that called the one on the die grinder?

[@LakesideAutobody]

I will. The little wheel is called a cut off wheel like these: www.amazon.com/Hot-Max-26182-Mandrel-4-Inch/dp/B005UUQNQA/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3R9XP457ORNZ6&dchild=1&keywords=1%2F4+inch+cut+off+wheel+arbor&qid=1595297501&sprefix=1%2F4+inch+cut+off+wheel%2Caps%2C252&sr=8-3

[@MorrowSind]

I see you touching metal on the screwdriver while touching it to the welding area; is there any risk of a shock doing this? I'm planning on buying my first welder, just trying to soak up as much info as possible. Thanks.

[@LakesideAutobody]

No - none at all. Matter of fact, you can hold the patch or push the patch down with your bare hands - no problem. No worries :)

[@jayramirez3646]

I hope to reach your skill one day. By the way what do you do to protect the inside from rusting? Thanks

[@LakesideAutobody]

This video should answer that ? I do this after the paint job is complete. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2GYlYGuqZKhjMU

[@guillermonieri4203]

Thank you. Very helpful.

[@LakesideAutobody]

You're welcome. Glad it was helpful :)

[@markrichie4156]

So what guage sheet metal do you use?

[@LakesideAutobody]

22 gauge about .030" or 20 gauge about .035"

[@redneckarcher1143]

could you do the same with flux core welder?

[@LakesideAutobody]

Yes - here's a couple vids on that - kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5SaeKqcbd5nj8U & kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6vRlGx5eNmNpNk

[@carstenfunk6075]

During welding you are turning the torch a bit. What is the effect / benefit of that?

[@LakesideAutobody]

It moves the weld from one piece of metal to the other. In other words I sort of start the weld on one piece of metal and use the diameter of the tip to move the weld pool to the other piece. It can elongate the weld a bit too if you exaggerate it even more for somewhat of a stitch. Hope that helps answer your ?.

[@jayinmi3706]

Are you using a 220V welder? My 110V 135A welder doesn't do much of anything on '1'. lol

[@LakesideAutobody]

Mine is 110 but it's a Miller Millermatic 90 so the setting might be different on yours - hope that helps you out :)

[@glennhurley3026]

Do you have to sandblast the welds? Can you just wire wheel them?

[@LakesideAutobody]

You can just wire wheel them if you want.

[@Frost12q]

How to secure the inner part of the profile? At this Point i think one of plate from inside is naked right?

[@LakesideAutobody]

You're right if I understand you correctly. Here's how I rust proof it after the repair - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2GYlYGuqZKhjMU

[@rampyxl6812]

Won't the panel rust from the inside out since it's bare metal?

[@LakesideAutobody]

This is the best way to prevent future rust on the inside - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bonEi3WvbKx2baM

[@guyconnell2250]

I have really been learning a lot from your videos. Can I ask why you lapped the patches instead of butt welding it?

[@LakesideAutobody]

The main reason is that all body shops that I've worked at lap weld patch panels because you are able to fix absolutely anything. I think it is a better quality repair too because butt welding and grinding flush will only lead to paper thin welds and micro thin adjacent metal. I hardly even grind my welds or the surrounding metal saving time and materials. Use small overlap, weld solid, knock it down, fill it, rust proof it and you'll be fine. See these vids for more on that topic: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5eunYGHe5Kiaqs - kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2rFm42Vit2ngMk especially the video under the description by Eastwood: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKGrZmOhnZmKZpI*** kzbin.info/door/CRd-C63GOe5ZhHPKO6gHmw - Please see this video for longevity of this type of repair if done correctly: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bonEi3WvbKx2baM or kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKCWaJeOYpKqZqs Hope that answers the ?'s you have about butt vs lapp - Jerry

[@guyconnell2250]

@@LakesideAutobody , yes it does. Thank you. I am about to start welding in floor pans in a '79 Chevy pickup. Would you recommend lap welding there as well. Sure seems like it would be way simpler to do it that way and then seam seal heavily.

[@1951Roy]

Another excellent video, Thanks and keep up the good work.

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks - have a good weekend :)

[@andrewj8762]

Do you disconnect the battery when mig welding?

[@LakesideAutobody]

Yes - unless I forget. Never had a problem though when I forgot so.... Not sure if it would mess up sensitive electronics or not but it's probably a good idea. Good question.

[@andrewj8762]

Thank you for quick reply, I haven’t welded in a long time, I watched all your video’s (Great videos!) and read safety instructions. I’m Going to do some practice welds today and start on my door Pilar this weekend.

[@LakesideAutobody]

@@andrewj8762 That's good to hear. Let me know if you have any questions and also let me know how it goes :)

[@ajd5363]

Is your gas on?

[@LakesideAutobody]

It's on 20 CFH if that is what you asking. Hope that helps.

[@ronclewell799]

Bouncing back and forth will reduce warpage, welding like that will cause metal warpage cuz your not allowing the metal to cool down in between welds

[@LakesideAutobody]

On a small tight sturdy area like that your OK but on longer flimsy seams - you're right - it can cause distortion of the metal.

[@1703clem]

Do you recommend weld through primer?

[@LakesideAutobody]

I don't use it because I figure the weld is not going to be coated and I would think heat would burn some of it off so... If it doesn't do a perfect job why use it. I make sure there's a way for moisture and debris to escape and I rust proof the car after the final paint job. This video demonstrates the rust prevention method I use: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2GYlYGuqZKhjMU

[@73superglide62]

Weres learn that one

[@LakesideAutobody]

Ask me that again. I'm not clear on what you are saying. Jerry

[@73superglide62]

@@LakesideAutobody weres did you go learn body class or just how learn to do it

[@LakesideAutobody]

@@73superglide62 My dad was a body man/ painter so I first learned from him. Then I got a job at a local body shop and learned from the boss and other fellas. Then I worked at Macco collision and a couple other shops after that. Got MOCAC certified to teach autobody repair from Ferris State, Michigan in 1989. That's about it - the rest I picked up on my own while working.

[@73superglide62]

@@LakesideAutobody it look like older work that some one show you .i love old stuff its much bettef

[@LakesideAutobody]

@@73superglide62 Yes these were older fellas as I was 18 when I started at my first actual job - they always had good information.

[@Luke-id1cp]

Wicked

[@LakesideAutobody]

Thanks

[@johnmirbach2338]

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