Queen vs. Rook! | Endgame Sensei Ep. 16

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Күн бұрын

GM Jesse Kraai has IMs David Pruess & Kostya Kavutskiy practice the infamously difficult queen vs. rook endgame.
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@djconnel Жыл бұрын

This is really good -- a +4 material advantage and yet converting that advantage is extremely tough: even these two expert-level players thrash about.

@rotflolawlmao 2 жыл бұрын

I love this video btw. I'm 1650 chesscom and went on an endgame binge around august last year. I learnt a bunch of endgames including rook and bishop vs rook, knight and bishop mate etc... Queen vs. Rook was my last obsession and the only one that consistently gave me issues. Seeing it played out by two people is great. I might just try learning it again.

@christopherjohnson1873 2 жыл бұрын

Derek Grimmell has an amazing channel on queen vs. rook. Unfortunately his ideas are a little scrambled and probably not presented as efficiently as they could be.

@rotflolawlmao 2 жыл бұрын

Yep I've got an entire personal playlist dedicated to this endgame as it intrigued me very much. Derek has great videos and ideas but yes, they are a bit all over. I gave up on trying to understand it more a few months ago but seeing it played out slowly like this is quite, quite helpful

@darinbrown6791 2 жыл бұрын

Did you download his chessbase files? The videos are all over the place but the files are organized as a course.

@rainerausdemspring3584 Жыл бұрын

Today Vincent Keymer had to win this against Tabatabaei.

@bobbyb5710 Жыл бұрын

I actually try to first remember the tabledatabase and then understand "why" but one good rule is when you not sure form a "rousette" (all pieces a night move from each other). Dont get king and queen to close to each other and attack from diagonale. Also ask youself "where my king want to go?" where do i take away check so my king will not have to move that file right away?

@stevemansfield8530 Жыл бұрын

at 21:56 can't White just play Qc2+ (instead of Qb4+) followed by ...Ka3 (forced) and then WHite plays Kc3 with unavoidable mate or win of the rook. I cannot see any stalemate counter by Black , for instance...Rc1 just loses the rook. I agree with the comments below on Derek Grimmell as well. The database he created is very comprehensive on this extremely difficult ending.

@jasonparker6138 3 ай бұрын

It sure looks that way to me.

@ChessHoodie 2 жыл бұрын

In mid or late 90's I had a little book by Averbakh (endgames essential knowledge, mine was in Russian, so this is my guess how it would be translated)).There was this endgame there and basically Averbakh explained how to win the rook once it goes away from his king and one important position where you need to zugzwang the opponent . Also he gave a sample game to serve as an example of common patterns. I really struggled at the time to understand that zugzwang position and how to give black the move in that position if we get there on our move, also I had some trouble picking up the rook in my analysis. Later in my life I tried this against the computer and could not win it. It was fritz, I think, and he was setting some kind of third rank defense ( I recall that vividly). Later in my life I had this position twice against humans and I won easily ( one of them was in DOJO rapid tourney), although my opponents didn't defend well. Before finishing this comment I tested myself against stockfish and it was rather easy ( I checkmated him in 36 moves), he also went for the third rank defense, but maybe with some luck I broke it. We also reached that zugzwang position that I learned from Averbakh book more more than 20 years ago. When David played Qa6+ in the first game, Kostya's move Kb2 showed that he is not familiar with that zugzwang position (even though the position is different the idea is the same), since by playing Kb3 he would make David's job harder. David's thinking there for a minute or so also shows that he is not familiar with it (Because Qa4 automatically puts black in zugzwan) He did find the right move, which shows that he understand chess very well. Kraii's comment shows that he also probably not familiar with that important position ( or maybe he forgot about mentioning it). I am a big fan of you guys, so don't take this the wrong way. You could really improve your play in this endgame just by studying that Averbakh chapter IMO. Also, I am nowhere near as strong a player as you guys, but I feel superior in this exact chess position, so I had to chime in and advise you. P.S. I learned a lot from all of you guys. You are doing a great job!

@ChessDojo 2 жыл бұрын

Useful stuff, thanks!

@chesscomdpruess 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Hoodie! I actually was not familiar with this zugzwang position before our game; however I had already used it on the two previous files, so by this point, I did know that Qa4 was right. I just had 3 minutes on the clock so I used some of it checking and double-checking. (I also tried to avoid falling into that pattern of having the rook under my K in the second game against Kostya, but it was hard!) If Jesse doesn't publish a video of advice on this endgame soon, I will have to track down the Averbakh chapter. Thank you very much for the direction :)

@ChessHoodie 2 жыл бұрын

@@chesscomdpruess You are welcome! and you are quite humble! :) Big respect! I completely forgot about the possibility that you were just making sure it all works. Anyways, you showed high class by figuring it all out over the board. In the Averbakh position black's rook and king have switched places and it makes it tougher for white. Basically you will get that position with white to move and black: Kb1 Rb2, so you have to give him the move. While the video was showing the second game I was writing that comment and playing against stockfish ( the test I mentioned) , so I haven't really seen it. I'll have to replay that part. I am eager to see Jesse's take on the endgame.

@ChessHoodie 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChessDojo I see now that Kraii mentioned that position later, so I owe him an apology ( and I look silly now, 😁). He knows his stuff! He really is The Endgame Sensei! 😊