Quentyn Martell Is Dead | ASOIAF Theory & Game of Thrones

Quentyn Martell is dead 🕯
🎥 Chapters
0:00 - The Dragontamer (a reading)
1:10 - Intro
3:31 - A Brief History of House Martell
7:43 - The Mission
11:10 - Failures
13:35 - The Hero's Journey
14:26 - The Prince That Came Too Late
14:50 - A Knight Without Honor
17:31 - The Windblown & the Tattered Prince
18:23 - Astapor: Hell On Earth
20:21 - Oaths & Vows
21:24 - Ser Quentyn Martell & Ser Waymar Royce
22:14 - The Mad Plan & Pentos
23:47 - A Simple Plan
25:31 - Into the Pit
30:45 - Enter the Dragons
32:53 - Death by Fire
34:31 - Adventure Stinks
37:26 - Quentyn is Alive?
38:46 - Burnt Bones
41:51 - Smiles
42:54 - False Deaths
43:40 - Dany & the Pyre
44:58 - Theon & the Miller's Sons
49:32 - Ser Davos & Wyman Manderly
51:02 - Rattleshirt
51:51 - A Matter of Time
52:18 - Melting Eyes
54:37 - Delayed Pain
55:38 - Dark Humor
55:50 - Reign of Fire
57:37 - Medical Attention
57:49 - The Tattered Prince Died?
58:47 - Quentyn is the Tattered Prince?
1:01:40 - Magic Cloak
1:04:00 - Why The Living and Not the Dead?
1:05:37 - The Spurned Suitor versus the Iron Suitor
1:07:16 - What's Next
1:08:54 - The Winds of Winter (Tyrion & Arianne sample chapter discussion)
1:13:20 - Final Point
1:14:41 - Finale
1:16:05 - Post-Credit Sequence
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🎨 Artwork Sources
Sad Quentyn - Unknown Artist
Quentyn Martell with candle - SephyStabbity on DeviantArt
Doran Martell with cyvasse piece - Unknown Artist
Quentyn Martell - Outlandidol on Tumblr
Quentyn Martell - Kim Sokol for Fantasy Flight Games
Quentyn Martell with candle - Unknown Artist
Death by Fire - Quentyn Martell - Eric Velhagen
Quentyn Martell versus dragons - Sam Hogg
Rhaegal Sneaks Up Behind Quentyn - Ian Kirkpatrick for Fantasy Flight Games
Rhaegal’s flame engulfs Quentyn - Marc Fishman
Rhaegal’s flame engulfs Quentyn - Marc Fishman (black and white)
Quentyn by Henning Judvigsen for Fantasy Flight Games
Gerris Drinkwater, Quentyn Martell, Archibald Yronwood - Sasha Gladysh
Daenerys and Drogon - Michal Rychtyk
The Tattered Prince - Diego Gisbert Llorens for Fantasy Flight Games
Sandor Clegane versus Ser Robert Strong - ertacaltionz
Arianne Martell and Viserys Targaryen - Carolina Eade
Doran Martell - BorjaPindado on DeviantArt
Liberated (Astapor) - Tomasz Jedruszek for Fantasy Flight Games
Elia Martell - Eluas
The Red Viper vs the Mountain - Zippo514
Daenerys sets the slaves free - 1oshuart on DeviantArt
Burning Ancient City - Wayne Leung Hou-wai
Kedry - Melissa Findley for Fantasy Flight Games
Meereen - Lvlorf3us
Viserion - Stephen Najarian
Rattleshirt - Victor Garcia
Lord Wyman Manderly - Borja Pindado
Bones of a Child - James Brady
Tywin - BrittMartin
Theon - Gibilynx
Ser Davos - Unknown Artist
Fall of Astapor - David Sondered
Daario Naharis - Steamy
Barristan and the Barristan Beasts - Urukki Saki
Mance Rayder - Unknown Artist
Quiet Isle - Alridpath
📚 Chapters Referenced
A Game of Thrones - Bran IV
The Winds of Winter - Arianne I
A Dance with Dragons - The Queen’s Hand
A Storm of Swords - Daenerys IV
A Storm of Swords - Daenerys III
A Dance with Dragons - Jon III
A Dance with Dragons - Davos IV
A Clash of Kings - Bran VII
A Clash of Kings - Theon V
A Game of Thrones - Daenerys X
A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys II
A Feast for Crows - Jaime V
A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys VIII
A Dance with Dragons - The Dragontamer
A Dance with Dragons - The Windblown
A Dance with Dragons - The Spurned Suitor
A Dance with Dragons - The Merchant’s Man
🔈 Music
Meydän - Freezing but Warm
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[@eminentbishop1325]

Whenever i start to think im the main character in my life I remember Quentyn and what happened when he thought the same lol

[@KevinPendragon]

You are the main character. You just have to pick the right kind of story to be in. Poor Quentyn chose wrong

[@reddest-x]

Why do we keep bringing Emmett into this? 😜

[@TheMainCharacter93]

dont worry man, I got this.

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

I like to think I'm Victarion 😂

[@HierophanticRose]

@@KevinPendragon nice. i'll keep on paddling

[@mattdavid716]

eagle eyed readers may have also noticed Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon are also dead

[@PinkyJustice]

"but George spent too much time for it to go nowhere!"

[@fabianbinder3681]

Robert and Silvio were never in a scene together. Robert was a faceless man confirmed!

[@wild_.flower]

​@@fabianbinder3681Did you mean Syrio?

[@lonemotheomatshaba9640]

Misande taking care of Quentyn while he passed away was one the nicest things and purest acts of kindness in a story with so much sadness

[@KevinPendragon]

She's truly one of the strongest characters in the series

[@lonemotheomatshaba9640]

@@KevinPendragon she really is one of my favorite characters

[@Stax2High]

​@@KevinPendragonwhat makes her strong?

[@MilkFearless]

@@Stax2Highhaving the compassion to ease a dying stranger’s pain, especially one that just tried to steal one of your queen’s dragons

[@sit-insforsithis1568]

“Oh” “But what about the burning level of leather whips?” He must be alive

[@vicentiupredescu7205]

#dragonfiredoesnotmeltleatherwhips

[@notdeadjustyet8136]

I'm ABSOLUTELY sure Q. is DEAD AND IT FITS MARTIN'S themes perfectly , but what puzzles me is why doran, who is repeatedly described as an overly cautious & cunning man, sent his beloved son on such a perilous journey, with such an obviously silly plan and nearly no preparations. It should've been obvious to doran that the chances of success are almost nonexistent. GREAT VIDEO

[@KevinPendragon]

I have an idea why Doran does what Doran does. It may become a video in the future. And thank you very much for the compliment

[@sarahsalayeva3509]

It was also a backup plan since Viserys died so ig he didn't have as much time thinking it through

[@Vmac1394]

Doran is always too little too late with his plans. Read the first Areo Hotah chapter again, it has the symbolism of overripe blood oranges falling to the ground and splattering. It's symbolic of Doran's plans which seem to just get his family members killed. Arianne's plans are the same as her father's. >Sending Oberyn to King's Landing gets Oberyn brutally killed needlessly >Sending Quentyn to Meereen gets Quentyn brutally killed needlessly >Arienne's plan to crown Myrcella queen gets Arys Oakheart brutally killed needlessly What's shocking is that these deaths do not even make give Doran and Arianne pause to their plotting. They just keep going. Ellaria's speech sums up the entire Dornish plotline. She's effectively a widow and the Mountain's skull which Oberyn died for cannot raise their daughters with her or love her. It is worthless.

[@kragary]

Doran is not as intelligent as his reputation would have us believe. He's not five steps ahead of everyone; he's ten steps behind. His plans only work in isolation, because he's very bad at predicting what other people will do.

[@notdeadjustyet8136]

@@KevinPendragon wow! Please make that video. It's either that or I'll have to accept that Doran's actually fairly dumb and the entire world is wrong about him.

[@tonysled6796]

i think another minor point that it is important is that the dragons were probably expecting Dany to visit by now and were agitated. So they could have easily been in kill mode when the tone of the visit was threatening.

[@KevinPendragon]

Yes, it tells us that they were upset that Dany wasn't there. They could tell Pretty Meris was a woman but not their mother

[@billvolk4236]

I think readers wanted to believe that there was a point to the Quentyn arc. There are POV characters who are even more useless than Quentyn (particularly Areo Hotah, The Camera that Rides,) but Quentyn's story is the longest true shaggy dog story in A Song of Ice and Fire. He contributes nothing to the plot except releasing Rhaegal and Viserion, who could easily have escaped on their own or been released off-page. Even in terms of establishing story themes, Quentyn is redundant, because we've known since book 1 that this is not a world of heroic fantasy where adventures end well. Quentyn could be cut out of the series entirely, as he is in some fan-suggested alternative chapter orders for books 4 and 5, without losing anything in terms of events or in terms of themes and tone. And I don't think that was totally intentional: instead it was indicative of a systemic flaw in GRRM's whole approach to writing. When you write like a gardener, some branches are going to go the wrong way and need pruning.

[@KevinPendragon]

I completely agree with your last sentence. Hell, even GRRM agrees with you because he regrets making Arys Oakheart a POV character. But I do think Quentyn's death will impact the story. It will likely be why Dorne turns against Dorne and that will buoy along Young Griff to the Iron Throne. Did we need an entirely new POV character to do that? No. It's just bad planning.

[@johnwhelan9663]

@@KevinPendragon Ever heard of the Laura Van Ryn / Whitney Cerak case? Let me ask you this: Why does GRRM have Frog survive for 3 days? Does he need to make a will? Does he need to communicate anything of any significance to anyone? Deliver a secret message to Missandei? No, GRRM has him survive for 3 days for the same reason he has everyone at Winterfell gather to see Bran & Rickon's heads on spikes. It is smoke and mirrors designed so we ASSUME he must be Quentyn -- an assumption that does not hold up to close examination as he never says anything that would tend to confirm his identity. For Bran & Rickon, a "clue" he gave us was that only Maester Luwyn had the stomach to take a closer look at the severed heads. He gives us a precisely analogous clue here, when we are told that only Missandei has any stomach to spend time with the horribly injured man. Supporters of the theory believe the author is trying to fool us because we just happened to notice him setting up the smoke and mirrors - and this is just one example. Yes we are supposed to ASSUME it is Q, but in the end, all he does is gasp out a few simple requests to an 11-year old girl in his burnt-beyond-recognition voice. Whitney Cerak tried alot harder than that to convince her caretakers she was not really Laura Van Ryn. People see what they expect to see, as Theon pointed out, and that is happening again here.

[@johnwhelan9663]

@27:40, you argue that Dany was not afraid when she faced Drogon, and then provide a quote proving that she was indeed afraid when she faced Drogon. Yes, her actions were brave; but so were Frog's.

[@AmethystEmpressDivineTarot6589]

I just found your channel today. I have been studying ASOIAF for many years along with many very amazing ASOIAF content creators. Finally in you i have found another that thinks the way i do. I look forward to getting into all of your content. Thank You!

[@KevinPendragon]

Thank you 🙏🏾

[@tulkas42o22]

That last part between bran and Robb is one of the realest moments and my favorite part of the story. 👍

[@KevinPendragon]

One of the saddest moments in the series

[@BruhMoment-mn9kn]

This is where real men cried 😢

[@CheeseCrumbs00]

​@@KevinPendragonRoy Dotrice's narration has so much depth, brings a real sorrow to the scene

[@MsHopefullyMarilyn]

Your videos have the best writing!! You have such an ear for the tongue of any IP. I love your videos!

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Fantastic breakdown, you make the case very well

[@GoodVolition]

Yeah. I've never understood the Quentyn is Alive thing. He dies being cared for by Missandei. The odds that they got it wrong seems very low. It's very much in line with his storyline. It's just weird because Quentyns storyline is probably rather unimportant in the broader plot.

[@KevinPendragon]

One thing I wish I said in the video this quote: *"Missandei sat at the bedside. She had been with the prince night and day, tending to such needs as he could express, giving him water and milk of the poppy when he was strong enough to drink, listening to the few tortured words he gasped out from time to time."* Quentyn talks to Missandei. The odds are very low they got it wrong.

[@ChrisisisB]

I think it is because of the usual thing that all narration in books or movies must have a purpose. 1) Drive the plot forward. 2) Build or establish the character(s). 3) Build or establish the world. So much of the last two books are just pointless drawn out to many chapters. Quentyns chapters has some minor worldbuilding. The Dorne chapters has worldbuilding and character building, but they are detached from the main plot, so seen as is are without purpose. Brienne riding across Westeros in search of Arya and Sansa. Worldbuilding but uninteresting, would fit better in a separate book (tales from westeros). Dany conquering the slave cities? Could have been handled in a couple, or even a single chapter. Sons of the harpy, could be characterbuilding for Dany, but we dont know. Jaime Lannister conquering Westeros, could have been so much shorter. The last two books could easily have been one book for what little actually happens. Martin says he is a ”gardener” storyteller, well in those two books he made us watch the equivalent of grass growing. Now agree or disagree with what I just said, if Quentyn is alive, it would add some much needed purpose to the last two books.

[@Seven_Leaf]

Someone dies, though the person is burned beyond reconignition. Earlier in the story the phase "burned bones mean nothing" is used. He's not hit with intense dragon flame as described in other accounts, where eyeballs explode instantly for example. His companions change their mannerisms after the incident... are just a few of the red herrings. I think GRRM left it ambigous to decide later if Quentyn being alive is important to the story. On a side note, people who are unattractive and have problems with women are ones the author likes since that mirrors his early life.

[@jaroslavmadar7899]

Such an amazing analysis! So excited already for another video!

[@KevinPendragon]

Thank you! There are a lot more topics I hope to cover

[@hubblito]

Love deep dive videos like this! Looking forward to the next one

[@GeminibBorn]

I have been looking forward to this. Kevin Pendragon is back! You, Random Internet Guy and An American Thinks are all that is keeping my Asoiaf addiction feed. All the other great lore masters seem to be long gone. I get a feast every few weeks/months.

[@daboos6353]

Preston Jacobs?

[@GeminibBorn]

@Da Boos No my name is 1Gemini. Haha I'm kidding. I can't really enjoy Preston like I used to. He is a smart guy but... I do not like his fanfiction project, I think it's disrespectful. He seems to hate GRRM now, ever since George told him his theories were wrong at that dinner. He also makes too many jumps in logic in his theories, so I can't even enjoy half his videos.

[@KevinPendragon]

Thank you so much!

[@daboos6353]

@@GeminibBorn Fair, I don't think he hates GRRM though, like ASOIAF is still his favorite book series.

[@GeminibBorn]

@Da Boos I could be wrong, but that is the impression I get when he talks about George anytime the last few years. Nevermind the fanfic. I am just glad I have channels like this one to come to.

[@itsanameisntit]

Really excellent video! I've been a follower of Preston Jacobs almost since the first day he ever started and he really is the master, but you have most definitely held your own. I didn't want Quentin to be alive because I felt that there have to be tragic Heroes like Ned not just at the beginning, but all the way through. You made a lot of very compelling arguments. I wouldn't worry too much about people who continue to believe because that is also reflective of history itself. I love that you gave exhaustive arguments throughout focusing on every aspect. I had never considered before Quentin's continuous failure upon failure. I know that Preston has mentioned that Quentin is one of several iterations, or avatars of George and the sense I get from George is that if he were to play the hero in one of his own books, he would fail and die. Love the music as well. One small critique is that you should switch the music up a little bit with other songs of a similar nature. I like that the volume of your music and it's genre didn't interfere at all with the narrative, but instead complimented it nicely. Well done! Definitely one of the best commentaries on the books.

[@Slender_Man_186]

Easily the funniest death in ASOIAF, I wonder if George had recently watched Spider Man 1 when he wrote that part.

[@johnwhelan9663]

@38:00 No, Missandei would not address the burnt man as "Quentyn", but as "My Lord" or maybe "Prince" or whatever is correct, just as she addresses Dany as "Your Grace", and Barristan as "Honored Ser". She refers to the burnt man as "the prince" when she talks to Barristan. And you assume the burnt man would have been chatty, you are arguing against the text, which explicitly says that the burnt man only spoke a few tortured words to utter simple requests. Gasping "tortured words" (in case you missed the implication) implies it is extremely painful for him to speak (and also that his voice is probably altered). And what do you imagine he would have said? "I (gasp) am (gasp) tattered (gasp) prince", says burnt man; "Yes you sure are you poor dear thing"; thinks Missandei, "very tattered indeed". And what possible motive does he have to reveal his true identity? Does he think Missandei will treat him nicer if she realizes he is an enemy? And most of the time she's keeping him drugged up on milk of the poppy (a quasi-opiate). "Three days is too long of a time"? Dude, 3 days is nothing. It took a whole month for Laura Van Ryn's caretakers to realize she not really Laura Van Ryn, and it is not even as though she did not try to tell them. And alot of people were involved in that fiasco, not one single 11-year old girl.

[@AvazeGorgha]

Love the juxtaposition between this video and Preston Jacobs' "Quentyn is alive."

[@zacharytigert6182]

I'm blown away that anyone could claim he still has some future, living character arc after this chapter. I don't even know why you would want that. His role in the plot seems pretty clear, as you've lined out here.

[@vanessaamesty6739]

The ending 💔💔 is heartbreaking.

[@timgray1664]

Brilliant video man! Loved the effort that went into this, really captured all the problems I had with Preston's theory (I do like watching him tho cus tinfoil theories is a guilty pleasure of mine)

[@KevinPendragon]

Appreciate it!

[@feral7523]

Great vid tho unfortunately it won't convince any believers of the He's Alive crew from switching to He's deffo Dead crew.

[@KevinPendragon]

Only Winds can truly confirm so we will have to wait

[@klimychbarin]

​@@KevinPendragon"Quentyn returns in ADOS" cope incoming after TWOW releases

[@peanuthub5362]

Fair play bro you smashed it...even with ash holding you back 👏🏼😂

[@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215]

I cant believe that toad truly thought "he could steal the heart of the Dragon Queen"

[@kitkat6959]

Great analysis

[@KevinPendragon]

Thank you

[@maggyfrog]

i think maybe the biggest flaw to doran's dornish master plan is that he was so subtle about it and failed to train his heir/s how to actually think. quentyn possibly dying is just proof that he could not have carried the weight of the task ahead, being unable to have the common sense that the very obvious choice is to NOT engage any of the dragons by himself. if he survives, he's basically foiled a significant part of the dornish plot, unless doran has a backup plan for this. *edited for typo

[@justdirt]

Nothing more accurately shows the ASOIAF fandon than an 80 minute long video explaining that an event in the book actually happened. I need a video just like this explaining how Aegon is legitimate

[@MsHopefullyMarilyn]

I love your videos. I wish you would do a read-through and chapter synopsis kind of video. You catch so much that I miss, and I want to reread and have no time. Let me know if you do that, start doing that, or have a patreon!

[@KevinPendragon]

Thank you! I have a patreon: www.patreon.com/kevinpendragon. If you have any questions or topics you want me to go over, let me know. I'll keep the idea for a chapter by chapter analysis in mind for my next reread of the series (which will be soon. I'm way overdue)

[@zjboogie012]

When Quentyn is alive, dis gon be crazy

[@johnwhelan9663]

@53:00 You miss the point of the melting eyes. The eyes of the burnt man on Dany's bed ARE gone. Nothing remains but pools of pus. When Frog's final POV chapter ends, this has not happened YET, because he can STILL SEE. Yes, Frog COULD have lost his eyes later, IF Frog and the burnt man are the same person. But if Frog and the burnt man are NOT the same person, Frog may never have lost his eyes.

[@dblackesquire]

@1:09 Viserion has no rider. Yes but that really doesn't prove anything. Drogon is seen flying without Dany after the pit. Dragons and riders aren't permanently bonded like a shelder and slowpoke. Drogon flew alone when hunting several times. We could be witnessing the same in Winds.

[@Knight860]

Why do I feel this video is a jab at Preston Jacobs in all but name? Not that I'm against it.

[@Commanber]

Well deserved though.

[@johnwhelan9663]

@1:04:00. Re. your "final question". The guards found 3 men together and assumed they were the 3 Dornishmen. Archie and Gerris, most likely, merely declined to correct their error. Even if they lied at this point, it would have been only to gain Frog a little more time. After all, Frog is still at large, they are loyal to him, and they don't want Frog arrested too. The 2 Dornishmen were then thrown in a cell, and the burnt man died on Dany's bed. Archie and Gerris are alone in a cell with time to think about and coordinate their stories. After the burnt man dies, only then does Barristan show up to question Archie and Gerris. When he asks them what happened in the Pit, they glance at each other, as if they are being questioned about this for the first time. By this time, Archie and Gerris know that the burnt man is dead, and that the burnt man's captors never learned their mistake.

[@RaynmanPlays]

Saying that he would have corrected her if he wasn't Quentyn ignores the fact that he probably has other concerns than making sure they know that Quentyn is alive. Not saying that he's alive. He's obviously dead. But the argument is bad. Same thing with the smiling. The smiling is, frankly, evidence that it is Quentyn. A person who finds it hard to smile finding something to smile at in the end, even after so much struggle and failure, is kind of a fitting end.

[@johnwhelan9663]

@58:80. You don't understand this part of the theory. No-one theorizes that Frog has been impersonating Tatters while Tatters dies on Dany's bed. During this period, Frog has been alone with Viserion in the abandoned pyramid. As far as Caggo and Meris are concerned, Tatters is simply missing and maybe presumed dead. What is anticipated is that, at some point in Winds after Barristan releases Archie and Gerris, Frog will fly Viserion over Meereen, streaming the tattered cloak, and signal the Windblown to switch sides from dragonback. When this happens, the Windblown will switch sides. No up-close-and-personal encounters with Caggo and Meris are involved in this scenario. There is no "magic cloak" in any version of the theory. The clue about removing the cloak to move unseen foreshadows his appearance incognito in the dragonpit as one of the 4 non-descript ordinary masked windblown. He does not need to be a chameleon with plastic features or magical glamors if he is only wearing a mask.

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

I was already convinced but this was so well explained, I listened to the whole thing. House Martell's long-running experience with death is only going to continue. In the real world, the Bible talks about forgiveness and God tells us "Avenge not yourselves, Vengeance is mine, *I* will repay, saith the Lord" (Romans 12:19 KJV). I think George is making a point about forgiveness and just letting other people's punishment come to them. When we try to take things into our own hand , it often backfires in unexpected ways, not to mention, making us worthy of punishment by making ourselves an evildoer. The Lannisters and their loyalists die or suffer brutally for their crimes (Tywin dies violently, Kevan dies violently, Gregor is suffering and did suffer and wasn't even given peace in death for his crimes, Amory Lorch suffers, The Tyrells will probably be annihilated and be replaced by the cunning Florents by story's end. Cersei and Jaime suffer and will probably die, Tyrion may survive but traumatised and tongueless) and Doran has and will likely live to see it all happen at other people's hands, but... By trying to be judge, jury, executioner and God, many of his own family will die needlessly, when if he just watched and waited, his enemies would fall like flies before him.

[@KevinPendragon]

Well said!

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

@KevinPendragon Thank you 👍🏾 all glory to God.

[@johnwhelan9663]

@23:00, I don't necessarily disagree that the Pentos deal is dishonorable, but Ser Barry is willing to make the same deal out of loyalty to his Queen; just as Frog did out of loyalty to his father. The murder of the queen's guards is a moral issue as well. But the "Frog Lives" theory is not really based on whether I approve of him or not. It is based on clues.

[@chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208]

So real

[@KevinPendragon]

I try to be

[@danbeaudreau499]

Just strictly looking at Quentyn from a plot device to help tell the mereen story, it only makes sense that he is still alive because he is and will be the only POV character left inside mereen. Selmy, Tyrion, Victation and Dany are outside.... he's alive, he's got a dragon and he's going to be proving he worth very soon. But he is badly burned. Like Jamie losing a hand, Briennne's face getting destroyed, Brans legs, etc.

[@Robopiglet]

Why can’t George use another pov character like the shavepate or even the green grace?

[@danbeaudreau499]

@Robopiglet because Dorne needs a dragon to bring to Fake Aegon. Quentyn is this only character that can do that.

[@scitchmunkey5587]

Sometimes things outside pov only to be found out naturally later as the story evolves it's part of what I love about the story and the reason there's always so much to discuss

[@11555Rambler]

Cope

[@someangel-shape6797]

I think the best thing to compare this to is Jaime in Clash/Storm. The last we see of him is Cat asking for Brienne’s sword, leaving it deliberately ambiguous whether she plans to kill him or free him. This is immediately made clear in the first proper chapter of the next book by starting with a Jaime POV. The fact that we see Quentyn’s body in the Barristan chapter to me highly suggests he won’t be coming back. If George wanted to suggest that Quentyn hadn’t really died I imagine he would have had a final Quentyn pov chapter right at the end of dance (as with Bran in clash).

[@kalemboyle7930]

The fact that GRRM makes it seem so obvious that he's dead only goes to prove that he is in fact alive and that it wasn't Quentyn whom Misande was looking after. Quentyn was obviously swapped with someone else!

[@chrismattwood]

Clearly alive and clearly relevant to the Rhoynish restoration plotline. Though obviously why would anyone trust the analyses of someone who's basically dedicated their entire life to revealing the truth in GRRMs extended works? GRRMs gifts are poisoned... On a lighter note, I do think these types of debates are particularly revealing with respect to how much the individual trusts a narrator. The majority that can't manage to see deeper, never manage to distrust their POV character, they see the information they receive as pristine, and pure. And then their gospel builds, with only the view of a (fallible) human as a concrete truth. They laugh at a deeper analyses of theme, motif, structure, tone, and can only countenance words from (usually with GRRM) a traumatised teenager as ABSOLUTE TRUTH. Its pretty laughable as literary critique.

[@Baelthebard]

Preston Jacobs punching the air right now

[@Birruaze]

I don't think he addressed many of the points in Preston's theory tho.

[@Baelthebard]

@@Birruaze it’s called a joke you dunce.

[@spencerharrisondescales519]

Punching above himself.

[@idontuploadanym0re]

why in the world do people think Quentyn is Tatters…? Tatters is a man in his 60s. Quentyn is 19. to call this a stretch would be an understatement. great video!

[@nahortesfaldet2313]

I think Quentyn's purpose was releasing the dragons before they could be killed. When Quentyn and co. reached the guards of the dragon doors, the password they were given was wrong; meaning the conspiracists in Meereen had infiltrated the Brazen Beasts and were waiting to kill Viserion and Rhaegal. Quentyn saved them.

[@dblackesquire]

@1:03 Arch and Drink didn't lie. Barristan came in and saw them. He made a bad assumption. They didn't make a choice. Arch is known to care about people he's fought with which would explain the cradling of the body. Drink has out his blade perhaps to mercy kill the burned man. They didn't tell a lie. Barristan just made an assumption and readers never questioned it.

[@KevinPendragon]

The only person in the pit that Arch would craddle like that would be Quentyn

[@dblackesquire]

​@@KevinPendragon That's an assumption on your part. It's stated in an earlier chapter that Arch won't leave men he's fought with. Arch is shown spending lots of time gambling with windblown. And it's most likely the ones that speak his language. He very much is the type to not leave someone he's fought with.

[@dblackesquire]

​@@KevinPendragon "He was not wrong. Even so, Quentyn felt uneasy. "The big man's made too many friends. He knows the plan was always to steal off and make our way to Daenerys, but he's not going to feel good about abandoning men he's fought with. If we wait too long, it's going to feel as if we're deserting them on the eve of battle. He will never do that. You know him as well as I do." GRRM writes Arch made many friends that he wouldn't just leave. He very much is capable of helping one of the windblown.

[@johnwhelan9663]

@57:50, the idea that the burnt man can't be Tatters is absurd. Who cares if Tatter is elegant? He's not going to look all that elegant with his face burnt off. Who cares about his silver-white hair? It's all been burnt off. Who cares if he is an older man? With his face burnt off, it is going to be hard for Missandei to count his wrinkles. And the point of the quibbles about Frog's features is not that Frog was a hideous freak, but that he was fairly ordinary looking rather than strikingly attractive. Guess who else is ordinary looking? Tatters is never described in detail, so there is nothing to indicate that his forehead is not high; his nose not broad; his jaw not square, etc.

[@billieconnolly2130]

Hey, I think your subs are glitched. I have it pressed and it's reacting as if there are subs, but there aren't any. Given the fact that it thinks there are subs, I can't even get auto generated subtitles to play, which is unfortunate considering my hearing issues. I still plan to watch the video, but it's unfortunate I might not catch all of your wit and quips.

[@KevinPendragon]

I manually uploaded the subtitles for this video a moment ago. It might be a while before they generate.

[@billieconnolly2130]

@@KevinPendragon I'll have to rewatch later then! I'm looking forward to it. The parts I heard clearly were very convincing. Poor Quentyn.

[@shiversivegotem]

"this was not meant to be a mystery" thank you someone had to say it

[@KevinPendragon]

I ever make merch, that will be on a t shirt.

[@CNNBlackmailSupport]

Can confirm about not noticing pain. I was stabbed 3 times in the arm and didn't feel it at all for a few minutes, then, only as a pinch or bee sting until I got sewn up three hours later. The local anesthetic actually hurt more than the stabbing, hilariously.

[@KevinPendragon]

What was the cause of this (if you don't mind)? Do you know why they stabbed you?

[@CNNBlackmailSupport]

@KevinPendragon it's kind of a funny story. The basic gist is a guy thought I was racing him, but it was really a confluence of bad events. My car was a standard with a fuel mixture problem, so if it idled too for more than a few seconds it would dip below 1k RPMs and then shut off. - At stop signs, I'd have to Rev my engine. I was 16 with my friends in the car, and we sang real loud to every song on the radio. In this case, it was Pretty Fly For A White Guy, by the Offspring. -Singing looks like yelling if you can't hear it. We had a car prank war with some other guys, who had recently removed the spark plugs from one of my friend's cars. Our return prank was going to be covering the other guy's car with syrup and human hair from a barber shop. It was about 630pm on the day before Thanksgiving. The barber shop was about 35 minutes away and closing at 7pm, -I was in a hurry and speeding. It turns out that the guy that pulled up next to us at a 4 way stop just outside of the neighborhood thought we were trying to race him and yelling at him. I had no idea he even existed until I had pulled up to a stop sign that crossed a busy main road. My window was down and my arm was out, and I'm watching the traffic to see when I can cross when my friend says "Hey, that guy just got out of his car and is walking up." I said "What?" And suddenly there was a dude in my window punching me in the arm. I peeled out and luckily got across safely. My first thought was that the guy hit like a little girl and how strange it was. A fee minutes later, I felt a pinch and started freaking out because aids needles were a thing in the late 90s. I'm still shifting with my right hand and driving with my left, as you do in a standard, mind you. I started working my arm forward and back and the pinch didn't change a single bit, so it wasn't like a Charlie horse or something. A minute later I felt a weird sensation on my elbow, like a tickle. When I felt it with my right hand, it came away slippery. That was when I really lost it, saying "that guy just fucking stabbed me." Over and over. My friend in the front passenger seat told me to calm down because I couldn't have been stabbed, but then I wiped the blood down his arm and he started freaking out more than me, which calmed me down quite a bit. It was just too silly. I got to the hospital about 10 minutes later and was stopped by a stereotypical fat lady lesbian cop. She wouldn't let me be seen until I gave a statement despite leaking blood all over the place. She asked what happened, so I told her about being stabbed by the guy (who I did not really even see) and she said "You were drag racing." I told her that it wasn't a race, I was just speeding and I had no idea that guy even existed. She said "Oh, ok. So during the drag race, did you make any gestures?" I was seen about 3 hours later and my arm was a dull ache, like a pre-migrane headache feeling. I had been stabbed 3 times. Once in the shoulder, and twice in the bicep. The bicep stab wounds looked weird because they had crossed each other inside my arm and one was vertical while the other was horizontal, like ( I _ ). The guy had stabbed me with a punching knife shaped like a T that has the blade coming out from between the knuckles. Only the grace of God kept that idiot from hitting my neck. It turned out that the guy was identified and caught in a day based on the description of "He had a Silver Honda Accord that looked like a space ship." Not his first stabbing. He got 2 years and I got a check for about 52$, which was the copay for my medical bill after dad's military insurance covered everything. I even got a headline in the news, which was, of course... "Local Teen Stabbed In Drag Race" on the Washington post on Nov 28th 1998. Type woodbridge teen stabbed in drag race into Google. It says lakeridge,but they are like suburbs of each other.

[@lunicornart]

This cannot possibly be a real theory? Come on people how thick can you be? The style of writing in that final chapter practically spells it out. This is how Martin writes character’s dying. Just look at literally any of the prologue characters…

[@deuceyd8468]

Not sure what preston jacobs did to upset you

[@kragary]

It seems to me the entire Martell family has been written as an example of all-hype, no substance. None of them can live up to their reputations or informed abilities once we get to meet them on page. But a lot of the readers can't shake out the hype that was originally planted in their heads, and still expect the Martells to suddenly start dominating the game, despite all evidence to the contrary. I think Martell fans will be sorely disappointed by future events.

[@Chris-do2ls]

Love your videos, but The Frog lives!!

[@johnwhelan9663]

@22:40, you say Doran would never approve of the death of innocents. I don't think you understand Doran at all. He is out for vengeance, not justice. His blood oranges are all about to go splat, and two of those blood oranges are Tommen and Myrcella.

[@zachbarker497]

I paused on the ad before the video because I just wanted to say........idk why I want to watch an hour long video explaining to the cheap seats why Quintin is definitely dead......but apparently I want my opinion reinforced to the point where it's a moral axiom. Lets gooo

[@KevinPendragon]

Thanks for watching!

[@johnwhelan9663]

@25:10 you argue that Frog cannot be brave, because he is afraid. Ned Stark disagrees with you ("... that is the only time a man can be brave"), Danaerys disagrees with you, Barristan disagrees with you, and (I strongly suspect) so does GRRM. In any event, the text disagrees with you. Frog, after seeing a man horribly killed by Viserion, stepped forward and struck Viserion full in the face with a whip, and yelled at Viserion. That's brave. Anyhow, you can't have it both ways. You can't call Frog a fool for being brave, and at the same time argue that he is not brave enough.

[@JayneTheory]

I don't view a win after a string of losses to be a cheat, it could just as easily mean that he's learned from all of his mistakes and finally succeeds. That's how it works in the real world, ask any entrepreneur.

[@allenm.355]

I have never heard he survived and tamed a dragon

[@johnwhelan9663]

@52:00 "Archie and Gerris had no time to accomplish a body swap". What body swap? It was a dragon who burnt some man beyond recognition, and that took no time at all. All Archie and Gerris had to do was keep their mouths shut when the guards assumed that the man found in their company was their known associate and companion. Nine people invaded the Pit, and 5 have successfully left the scene along with two dragons. We don't know who left! We ASSUME that 5 Windlbown left, and that the burnt man is Frog; but it may be that Frog and 4 Windblown left, and the burnt man is a Windblown. Nobody is doing any body swaps in this scenario. Someone is burnt beyond recognition, and the cold hard truth is that WE DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS, because we were not there when the 5 people left. We merely ASSUME. Talking about complex body-juggling feats is nonsense. 5 people have left, and we are not sure exactly who. 4 people remain and we're not sure exactly who. We know there was enough time for 5 people to leave, because 5 people are GONE. GRRM set this scenario up on purpose because he is playing smoke and mirror games. When you see smoke and mirrors, it is reasonable to guess you are being deceived.

[@sidnew2739]

We experience the burning from Quentin's POV. Of course it is him.

[@staytuned2L337]

Can we talk about how truly dumb his plan was? Even if he succeeded in stealing a dragon - did he REALLY think Dany would be like "oh cool you kidnapped one of my nuclear children to flex for me. Powerful af bro, let's hang out ❤" Alternatively: "Hey, Dad!" 😶 S-son...I said dragon queen..not.. 🔥🐲🔥🐲 "Oh," **Dorne absolutely losing its mind a pissed off dragon has returned and being ridden by a Martell that stole it from a lady who has two more and will do anything to get him back** She's had her durgins stolen before and she went full fire and blood trying to get them back in the house of the undying. Any way you wanna slice this story, ain't no way Frogboi is getting out of this one.

[@KevinPendragon]

Stealing a dragon, killing her soldiers... Dany would have to seek justice for what Quentyn did even if he was successful, yup. It would not be good for Dorne. What that justice would look like, it's hard to say. Quentyn is (or was) too important of a political figure for Dany to call for his head. Dany can't simply war with Dorne to get her dragon back. Fighting Dorne means losing a powerful ally and she might kill one of her children (or she might die in the attempt). Quentyn surviving means Dany has to grudgingly accept Dorne now has her dragon but is willing to fight for her... just not how she would have wanted. Doran would have to do something to basically say "Gracious Queen, Quentyn (and by extension Dorne) has greatly offended you. But now he's my first son and now a dragonrider and thus too important to face real punishment. Here's some gold, a hostages, our apologies...??" A total mess

[@SaikyoDinosaur]

Only in ASOIAF can a man be implied as having been burnt to death by a dragon, followed by a scene in which you see them carting off his burnt corpse- and we get together and describe the idea of him being dead as a theory that merits hours of discussion.

[@anthonyjohnson6199]

The personification of Main character syndrome.

[@Fart5353]

Bones tell you nothing.. you know? Doesnt sound like he screamed in pain of the fire, but in fear of it..

[@sidnew2739]

Bullshit. When fire engulfes you, you scream in PAIN.

[@Cloudy_Jones]

I still think Preston Jacobs is right, there are too many discrepancies between meeting the dragon and the burned person finally dying. Plus every other character who’s been lit up by dragon flame dies immediately but Quentyn, who is described as weak and scared, takes 3 days to die, with a smile which he never displays.

[@KevinPendragon]

Alyn Velaryon was burned by a dragon and survived. Many of Dany's Unsullied were burned by Drogon when they tried to captured him and they survived. And I debunk the smile issue in the video...

[@thewhitemonkey64]

Respectfully, huge difference between receiving burns en mass and being the sole target of a dragon’s wrath. Frankly I think the biggest evidence that Quintin might have survived the initial spout is that he had enough in him to scream before the chapter ended. I do not think he’d have survived three days to become the bed boy though.

[@Commanber]

This is your brain on Preston Jacobs' conspiracy theories

[@kragary]

The smile is because his lips have been burned off.

[@galenusv7831]

#TeamQuentynIsAlive

[@wasistdustin]

Quentyn is alive theory is one of those theories where the chapters would be made much worse through the confirmation. a big indicator it’s not real

[@MrVictor1227]

Very Nice video but I still think he is alive because I am stubborn

[@KevinPendragon]

That's OK. He's still dead though

[@MrVictor1227]

@@KevinPendragon 😢

[@dblackesquire]

​@@KevinPendragon An unrecognizable body viewed by a man who can't see through plots or weak disguises seems like basing a theory on rotten ice. George consistently writes fake out deaths. This was his best one yet.

[@dblackesquire]

Tywin has been dead several days. Jaime even says he's rotting and Pycelle says it's a "drying". That body is freshly dead. No time to rot or dry. That body looks to smile because it has no lips. That body isn't identifiable. We never read Missandei call him Quentyn. She calls him Prince. And that body can barely speak, is blind and might even be deaf if the fire burned him enough. You made a huge leap in logic yourself claiming someone must have used his name.

[@themsuicjunkies]

If the frog is alive Mance is Arthur Dayne. Come on people he got fried chicken...

[@Sora744]

Quentyn is alive

[@johnwhelan9663]

@47:30, "the bodies of the Millers sons were dressed to look like highborns", and you claim nothing similar was done with Quentyn. Yes it was. All 9 people in the dragonpit was dressed the same -- as a bronze beast. Of the 9 people present, the only people we can rule out are Archie, Gerris, Caggo, Meris, and the dead crossbowan. Remaining are 3 windblown and Frog. How do we know the burnt man is Frog and not one of the 3 Windblown? We don't know; we only assume.

[@huberthepner3754]

9:47 north

[@KevinPendragon]

Oh true!

[@johnwhelan9663]

@11:50, you are basically arguing that if GRRM sets us up to expect Frog to fail, it means Frog will fail. What about surprising the reader? Is that not something GRRM tries to do? It might be more logical to suppose that if GRRM sets up to expect that Frog will fail, it means Frog will succeed.

[@kragary]

Not really. The fates of the characters are usually pretty well foreshadowed in the books. They're only surprising if you expect their stories to go the same way stories of similar characters in fantasy and fairytales usually go, and don't pay attention to what you're actually being shown on page. In a traditional story the humble prince disguised as a beggar succeeds at every trial and gets all the prizes at the end. In this story he fails and dies a stupid and unnecessary death, and it's not a surprise because of the way his story was going. Similarly it's not going to be surprising when Doran is outsmarted by everyone, Jon is never crowned the King of anything, Westeros will love their new impostor King Aegon and hate the rightful heir Dany, Bran will continue using his magic in increasingly immoral and horrifying ways etc. Unless you expected something more traditional, that is...

[@johnwhelan9663]

@@kragary You know nothing about traditional stories, if you think they necessarily follow the patterns you dictate. Nobody reading this series thinks of Q as "THE hero" of the story. Nobody but nobody has been standing in awe of his invincible plot armor. Anyone who has read traditional stories knows that characters vaguely similar to heroes (In the sense that Q is vaguely similar to a hero) fail all the time. Q's fate was foreshadowed whether he succeeds or fails. The question is, which foreshadowing was the clue, and which was the red herring? Yes, GRRM does try to surprise his readers, but yes, it is also true that he plants foreshadowings, so that we can say, with 20/20 hindsight, after we have been surprised, that the surprise was foreshadowed all along. In Q's case, GRRM has set us up to expect him to fail, and then to think that he HAS failed. But if he succeeds, well, that was foreshadowed too.

[@kragary]

@@johnwhelan9663 Where was his success foreshadowed? Can you remind me of specific bits?

[@johnwhelan9663]

@@kragary Specific bits? Okay. When GRRM planted hints that Aegon was alive; and other hints that Young Griff was not Aegon. When the HOTU vision declared Aegon to be TPTWP. When Frog was given a childhood backstory involving fostering by strangers. When Dany, on learning his nickname, jokingly laughed if he was going to turn into an enchanted prince. When Dany invited him to the dragonpit and heavily hinted she needed a dragonrider more than she needed a husband. When Frog told Archie and Gerris he was the blood of the dragon. When Frog went to sleep and dreamed of fire and blood. When he was given a chapter called "The Dragontamer".

[@kragary]

@@johnwhelan9663 Wait, are you theorizing that Quentyn is the real Aegon, then? That's a cool theory, I'd never heard it before. But wouldn't Doran know? Why would he send Arianne to fake Aegon if he's known all along who the real one is? This is exactly what I mean: fairytale convention may point a reader in one direction, but facts and logic within the story itself in another, and in GRRM's case it usually (always?) pays to trust the latter.

[@ratgirl34]

New theory. He is dead. Dany gets home before his body is cleaned and bones sent home. Feels guilty about him dying. Gives him the kiss she had ‘denied’ him before. He comes back to life. Last kiss style. Given that snippet from tWoW, that sounds like something a man would plead right before pushing himself off a cliff. Like what’s his nuts from LOTR. I mean, after all that patience. He’s losing everything. Perfect lineup for that trope. And with Aegon VI possibly being fake, it even brings in the imagery of a black sail when it should have been something else to bear. In addition to the possibility of a fake out, desperate as that might be. We could be looking at a Lord Beric/Thoros situation.

[@j-rey-]

A lot of the evidence to support Quentyn being alive is not totally unreasonable, but if he actually survived that hopeless situation, completely ablaze, in a chapter full of grim foreshadowing, then consider my suspension of disbelief totally ruined. It would be absolutely terrible storytelling.

[@KevinPendragon]

Agreed. Martin would have to work really, really hard to make it work for me to accept it. All that grim foreshadowing indicated he would fail.

[@sidnew2739]

There is and never was any evidence. The idea is just stupid.

[@doctordice6104]

I think myrcella is dead

[@Ussurin]

If Quentyn is dead, I need some refunds on the books. Cause then his chapters will be beyond useless. Like, he doesn't even interact with anyone important. Why include those POVs if he was meant to just die without any impact beyond what could be said in a paragraph in Tyrion POV?

[@dblackesquire]

Quentyn isn't dead. There are several people in the pit and that body can be any of them. Rhaegal is never written as the source of the fire that burned him. He's looking right at Rhaegal and never sees dragon fire coming at him. And if you look at the Arriane POV, you might notice a parallel between three Arriane/Quentyn relationship and the Asha /Theron. Siblings who are rivals for house leadership. Just as Asha meets an injured Theon, in Winds Arriane will do the same meeting a burned brother.

[@lonemotheomatshaba9640]

I could see that but honestly the whole sibling rivalry between him and Arianna is one sided.... Quentyn never thinks about ruling Dorne So I don't really see where he's story could go after this..... Then again I never expected Barriston or Theon to ever show up again so who knows

[@dblackesquire]

​@@lonemotheomatshaba9640 Yes, it is one sided but that doesn't mean it's apart from GRRM habits. POV characters who have a rivalry with a sibling do not get that rivalry resolved by the death of said sibling. The rivalry Aeron and Victarion have with Euron is one sided. Euron isn't dead. Tyrion and Cersie in rivalry but niether dead. Sansa and Arya. The only time a sibling rivalry is resolved by death is when Visereys died in book one.

[@dblackesquire]

@57:51 the text doesn't state Quentyn is covered in dragon fire. It only states he's burning. The source of the burning isn't stated and could be from another source. If this is an oil fire, he might not need the level of medical attention you've theorized. Most of the fire would be on the surface of his clothing and if some of it is leather, it would protect him. That might even be why he doesn't feel pain. George has purposefully written this as ambiguous to support more than one theory. You've offered a sound rationalization of the text to support the theory Quentyn died. However, I reached a different conclusion. Hopefully we'll get an answer in Winds.

[@KevinPendragon]

There's nothing ambiguous about it. Quentyn is dead.

[@dblackesquire]

​@@KevinPendragon It's very ambiguous if you care to ask the right questions. Why is fire described as hot wind rather than fire? Why does the burning go in stages rather than instanly like the sheep, the boar, the men at the fighting pits? Every Quentyn is dead theory sits upon a flawed assumption that dragonflame ever hit Quentyn. The text doesn't say fire. The text doesn't say Rhaegal unleashed fire. It's only heat which is what happened when heat comes out an open mouth. You completely skipped the analysis of this being dragonflame. Nothing Q sees in his own POV suggests dragonflame hit him. Only heat then a fire that spread from his whip to his hand then all. Not engulfed instantly. It was an oil fire that began in the whip. You assumed this was dragon fire because you didn't compare this to other clear examples of dragonflame. You made an assumption based on proximity.

[@sidnew2739]

​@@dblackesquireThat is SO ridiculous. You are constructing extremely unrealistic, far fetched possibilities. He's dead, deal with it.

[@mistermaestersirthomas9164]

31:07 clues to where Quentyn is, up in the caves the dragon took him to.

[@KevinPendragon]

He's dead

[@mistermaestersirthomas9164]

@@KevinPendragon he won’t die until Daenerys orders him dead, hence the prophecy; otherwise there would be no point or payoff to her being warned.

[@titolopez6754]

First

[@KevinPendragon]

The northmen be like ^

[@alanl.4252]

I hope you’re proven wrong

[@KevinPendragon]

We shall see come Winds

[@JoseCruz-ub9yv]

Why is this even a question? People so desperate that they try to find things that aren't there 😂

[@zjboogie012]

This is asoiaf. Everything that happens three-dimensionaly. Cat literally got her neck sliced open and revived, two babies were swapped at the wall, and people got leeechd for blood sacrifices, but a body swap for a PRINCE is where you draw the line

[@JoseCruz-ub9yv]

@@zjboogie012 it is pretty obvious with Quentin, nothing to look for here but nice try.

[@zjboogie012]

@JoseCruz-ub9yv they said the same thing abt laenor, big dog. But go ahead and keep yappin

[@dblackesquire]

​@@JoseCruz-ub9yv it's far from obvious.

[@chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208]

@@zjboogie012 But Laenor DID actually 100% die in the book(s) you sponge

[@augustleoberonis5369]

There is literally no reason for him to be alive. Unless…. That’s the reason

[@Chris-do2ls]

There is a theory out there that Doran never intended for Quentyn to succeed. He probably didn't mean to get his son burnt alive,although I think he was only burned slightly,and the body that was burned to a crisp is that of the Tattered Prince.

[@tylerbarrett6652]

So... if this is a plot line doomed to fail... what purpose does it serve? Wasn't it Quentin's attempt to steal a dragon precisely the event that led to their escape from that captivity? They are flying around Meereen now barbecuing the corpses sent into the air by the trebuchets... and perhaps this is where they need to be. So Quentin did serve a purpose... but the mystery remains, what exactly is Doren planning and how will he respond to this setback?

[@KevinPendragon]

Quentyn's plot line ended with his death but my conclusion is not that he served no purpose to the story. Check the Winds of Winder chapter of the video. And Doran's plot isn't a mystery either. He wants justice for his sister and her children, which means fighting the Lannisters, but he does not want a bloody senseless conflict.

[@akechijubeimitsuhide]

Idk why anyone even theorized he's not dead. He's the most boring POV ever. Does anyone CARE about him? I just skimmed through his chapters.

[@omnibus01]

nah hes fine, he just rolled under the dumpster.

[@KevinPendragon]

I understood this reference ☝🏾

[@MoebiusPan]

RIP certified bozo

[@dalejennings2677]

Lmfao duh.....

[@Charles-In-Charge]

Preston Jacobs has truly won, if you’re making an 1:17 long video to argue against him for the position which is clearly presented in the text.

[@AdaptiveApeHybrid]

I hate him tbh

[@KevinPendragon]

Quentyn??? Why?

[@johnwhelan9663]

It amazes me how opponents of this theory fail to engage with it. You start by claiming the entire theory is based on the line "burnt bones prove nothing". Which is complete nonsense. This is a very minor point overemphasized and perhaps invented by Preston Jacobs, but he did not invent the theory. You don't have to be interested in the theory. It is only a theory. But why, then, pretend to make a video about it?

[@sidnew2739]

Of course he is dead. I never got why people clinged onto that silly theory. Jojen paste? Sounds possible. But THIS one? No.

[@dblackesquire]

@58 using Tatter's age and hair when the body is missing so much skin you can see bones? A body with such severe burns isn't going to have hair. The text clearly states nobody looked long because there body is a horror. This is the weakest part of your theory. Tatters unburned isn't going to look like Tatters burned.

[@KevinPendragon]

You cannot replace the body of a short, stocky, big headed, somewhat overweight 19 year old with the body of a lean, elegant, 60 year old warrior. That's my point. I mentioned the hair because that's part of the text I was quoting. And the text never tells us it "nobody looked long". Missandei and Barristan spend significant time with the bed ridden, talking Quentyn and are convinced its him. Because he was severely burned but still short, stocky, etc.

[@dblackesquire]

Barristan specifically says the body has no face. He says so much flesh burned off that we can see bones. When something is in that condition, body fat matters very little. Barristan assumes this was Quentyn and never stoos to look closely. Besides this is the same Barristan who looked right at the Titans bastard and couldn't spot him without hair and beard. Now you have faith he can go all forensic files with such a burned body and a tattered prince he doesn't know well? I'm not suggesting that body is Tatters but I am suggesting we readers have no reason to trust Barristan's assumption this body is Quentyn.

[@dblackesquire]

​@@KevinPendragon You'll have to help me with where Tatters is tall. I recall he's described as sitting tall in the saddle. This expression generally means someone who isn't slouched and has a good seat. I didn't read that as him being 6 foot 6 like Arch.

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

Personally I think he's alive. I can't imagine GRRM wasted so many chapters on him to go nowhere with it

[@KevinPendragon]

Time spent with a character that dies isn't wasted time. Quentyn served his purpose just like Ned, Robb, and all that others that have died

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

Right but his contribution to the story really had no impact so his life and death meant nothing, where with the other characters that isn't true. But that's my take. I don't think he tamed a dragon but I do think he likely escaped

[@BillyBasd]

​@@Captain_Insano_nomercy his actions will have plenty of impact. He went to marry Dany. He died trying to steal one of her children. His actions released Rhaegal and Viserion to wreak havoc and will likely make enemies for Dorne. He will have plenty of effect on the story. Not in the way he wished.

[@PinkyJustice]

His failure is the point and will have major impacts.

[@11555Rambler]

All these Quentyn-is-Alice theories smack of high-grade copium