QUEST 3 vs CRYSTAL LIGHT - Is The New Pimax A Real Quest 3 Alternative?

[@mixedrealityTV]

Order Pimax Crystal: pimax.com/pages/crystal-light... (Affiliate) Order Meta Quest 3: amzn.to/4aMOXSb (Affiliate) Which headset are you gonna get?

[@superhans85]

Your Pimax Crystal affiliate link is not working for me. Possibly just for me, but you should check!

[@injectionAI]

broken link

[@Shalashaska111]

The Crystal Light with DMAS is exactly 2x the price of the Quest 3. The Crystal will be better for anything seated. The Quest 3 is better for anything roomscale. The Crystal cord is so heavy and thick, it really is not made for jumping and dancing around in.

[@das7099]

weak head

[@Mark_Blanes]

As an owner of both Quest 3 & Pimax Crystal for 7 months (no longer have Crystal) I feel compelled to offer my thoughts a bit different to Sebastian. My main use in both is sim racing 85% of my time and rest with flight sim & few other games. Crystal looks amazing at 35ppd however the gap in visual quality is very very close, as the Q3 also looks amazing thanks to pancake lenses & the color is very good, huuugggee sweetspot ! I use a high quality powered Link cable with an Nvidia 4080super & never see artifacts or banding or have any lag. For sim racing Q3 is superb. The cost difference here in Aussie is about AU$500 odd to the Crystal Light. I returned my Crystal due to hardware issues but will likely buy the Light later on from Amazon. Just want to say both are excellent VR headsets but I believe the gap between in visual quality is much less than expected.

[@angrybeaver6667]

I have the quest 3 and I also have a crystal light on the way. I need a dedicated Displayport headset because the colors and compression artifacts on the quest 3 annoy the hell out of me.

[@mixedrealityTV]

That's it!

[@angrybeaver6667]

@@earl_gray You have them, you're either not playing games that you notice them, or you simply don't know what to look for. I have a 4090 as well, VD on godlike on every single setting with a dedicated wifi 6 router still doesn't look as good as oculus link wired at 950mbps. But even link at 950mbps I can still see compression artifacts in certain games.

[@bigmakbm1]

​@@earl_grayYou probably have never used a real PCVR headset. There is no way image quality comes close comparing 20gb of bandwidth vs 500mb-3gb depending on WiFi or USB C. And remember content creators show what is mirroring the desktop with games, what it looks like through the lens is totally different.

[@sergioesamayoa]

@@angrybeaver6667 I'm thinking on getting a crystal light for DCS but concerned about my rig: will my RTX 4070 OC will handle the 80% extra pixels? 4090 seems to be almost twice fast than 4070 but cost 4x! On the other hand playing on a server the FPS decays drastically! BTW seems that with Virtual Desktop even tho is compressed as "native Quest" you got better rendering.

[@joekeo318]

Need to have WiFi 6e or 7 for quest3 it made a big difference for pc games from steam for me.

[@somerandomperson8282]

The Crystal Light is with controllers and import taxes is $1000, which is 2x the price of the Quest 3. It is in a completely different class and there is imo no doubt that the Quest 3 is overall the best value headset on the market..

[@Datenschutz_Datenschutz]

yeah, it's another class in terms of picture quality and visuals. best value hmd is subjective. Without Meta subventions the crystal is actually really best bang for the buck for PCVR.

[@ChrisJones-sw9il]

Us$?

[@CognosSquare]

Here in Sweden the Crystal Light LD is 999 EURO vs Quest 3 617 EURO. But the Q3 has to have a better strap so the CL is more like 50% more expensive. Very comparable.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

Its not, Pico4 crushes Quest3 in pure value proposition.

[@simonoregan4744]

@@ChrisJones-sw9il Zimbabwe dollars

[@Verociity]

The Crystal Light's cable is very thick and rigid like the G2's which actually drags on the headset, if it were a light cable like the CV1's it'd be fine. However the DP cable is uncompressed which also means less processing.

[@gomini3707]

There are two approaches a- Make a small number of people extremely happy (Pimax approach on PC VR) b- Make a very large number of people moderately happy (Meta approach with Stand-alone) Generally speaking, every startup guru out there advises to go with option a, ie make a small number of user extremely happy In the VR ecosystem, we have die-hard simulation fans with PC VR and mostly casual users for Stand-Alone that bought the Quest 3 as a Christmas gift.

[@Smood47]

No wireless makes it seem that pimax is really just for simmers.

[@cadcad-jm3pf]

@@Smood47 Yes. What most people want from VR is experience they can't get while seated, e.g. sword combat, shooting guns or rock climbing. I have tried the Link cable with Quest 3, but ultimately switched to full wireless/steam link. I can't imagine being tethered in most VR games I play.

[@Smood47]

@@cadcad-jm3pf agreed

[@konari88]

@@cadcad-jm3pf its made for flight/car sims

[@wayaadanvdo2279]

I hate how Pimax gives reviewers the DMAS versions of the headset and not the stock one to be reviewed as the stock is the one that is right out of the box.

[@AKCobra1120]

While I've never used the Pimax, I would say the only people who should consider this over the quest are people with ultra high end PCs (4080+) who are primarily sim players. For sims the cable is a non-factor, and they benefit the most from the better visuals. If you play sims but also spend a fair amount of time playing other games, Quest 3 all the way. The Quest 3 actually has very good visuals, and I think it's other advantages (Wireless PCRV, stand alone play, portability, mixed reality, huge stand alone games library, hand tracking) trump superior visuals. If you're a money is no object gamer that plays both sims and other games, then just get both and use the Pimax for sims and the Quest 3 for everything else.

[@dathyr1]

I will still go with my Quest 3. I feel I get more for my money with the Quest 3 than having this PIMAX headset. I just don't like the bulky size of PIMAX headsets. I don't know if Auto Dimming is a good feature or not. In very dark scenes, does auto dimming knock out some of the detail of the graphics displayed???? Sure we bet better blacks, but I think we also lose some details of the game. If I am wrong, let me know. Plus we need a couple extra apps to make the Crystal light work properly - Quest 3 does not necessarily need these. Most games I bring up META OS and then play running under native Oculus VR mode. So the Crystal Light has more resolution and connects via DSP Port. With my Quest 3, the resolution with the pancake lenses are very good for me and I connect via a USB link cable. Quest 3 works very well with my SIM racing games. Plus I can do wireless if I want to. So nothing has really sold me on switching to the PIMAX Crystal Light headset. Both headsets are very good, but will stay with my Quest 3 for now. It took me quite a while to even upgrade from my Oculus Rift S. Take care.

[@robertpetrie2536]

I am surprised that you did not talk about the downside of the cable being rigid and difficult to bend in regards to the Pimax Crystal light.

[@leighhaynes]

And a little short.

[@farmertrueVR]

@@leighhaynes4.5 meters is solid for most users. But I recently moved and my VR play space was further away. I purchased the 6m fiber optic cable for the Crystal and it’s not only 1.5m longer, it’s much lighter, thinner and is a nicer overall cable. If anybody is interested in getting the 6m fiber optic cable from Pimax, I’d be happy to answer any questions but it made a nice improvement over the standard cable for my PCVR needs.

[@RacingPCs]

The problem I have withthe Quest is I need zero latency 120Hz for competitive sim racing. You add the encoding, the sending, the decoding to low FPS (now I play triple at 220FPS) and you begin to have huge latencyand a huge gap between direct drive and visuals. If they just add a DP cable.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Yep, latency is another advantage of Crystal over Quest 3.

[@robertpetrie2536]

you can really get the latency down to about 30 ms on the quest three for sim racing. Do you really need much lower latency than that? For me, I do not.

[@thijsazerty692]

DP cable is the best option for PCVR latency, but you can easily be competitive in Sim racing with wireless VR streaming if you do it 'correctly'

[@michaelpickford7298]

Quest 3 via Virtual desktop and dedicated wifi 6e router does give very low latency.

[@RacingPCs]

@@michaelpickford7298 And in the end it's more expensive, due to purchasing the WiFi 6 router, that by the way is not in my house but meters away, and would require drilling the wall between two homes, creating the socket and bla bla...more expensive than a Pimax Crystal Light no local dimming version.

[@eddieg6330]

The Quest 3 is getting a bad rap on playing PCVR due to compressed video. That is only if you run default settings of a bitrate of 100 - 150. To virtually eliminate the compression, get a 6/6e router, bump the bitrate up to 600 to 940, supersample the video signal and you have a massive upgrade to video quality. There are plenty of yt tutorials on how to do this so I'm not going to talk about implementation but you are approaching the cost of the Crystal Light headset at this point. The Quest 3 is still the better deal though because it's still wireless and mobile and with the software tweaks to the visuals outstanding for PCVR gaming. Talking about video compression for the Quest 3 out of the box is the same as talking about how uncomfortable the headstrap is out of the box. Both can be immensely improved. Not sure how much headroom is possible with the Crystal Light but the Quest 3 is being updated continuously.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Unfortunately you still have added latency, you still can see compression and color banding, especially sometimes the data rate can't be hold up. So while I agree with you the Quest 3 is great, it still is not as good as a native DP connection. Now combine this with the better colors and blacks, you simply have so much of a better PCVR experience on the Crystal Light. But as I said: everyone should have the Quest 3 first.

[@eddieg6330]

Make sure your 6/6e router is in the same room as where you are using the headset and the latency is negligible. Agreed the colors are a bit better and there is no backlight but that's a $100 premium. Have you set up a 6/6e router? You will be shocked how much better the visuals are 😉.

[@eddieg6330]

Of course this is total predicted on a powerful gaming rig.

[@eddieg6330]

Ultimately a wired PCVR dedicated headset without passthrough is sadly a deadend path in my opinion.

[@busterbrown1686]

@@mixedrealityTV Good comeback. I have the fabulous Q3, but will get the Crystal light for PCVR and give the Q3 a break

[@Rosaslav]

As somebody who is doing research before buying his first vr headset, I can say that those quality off-ear speakers on Pimax head strap are a big advantage over Quest 3 imo. Unlike for Quest 2, there aren't any aftermarket straps with quality audio for Quest 3 yet.

[@JAHDUBProductions]

I'd still get the Pimax and i don't have a Quest 3. I'm fine with wired. When i upgrade, i just don't always want to use base stations. So I'd consider getting the Light.

[@User-d6l6t]

As a Quest 3 PCVR only user, would be making the upgrade worth it? Or should I wait until the next Valve headset?

[@mixedrealityTV]

The upgrade is worth it. Especially if you have a powerful PC.

[@reedtkfilms7077]

i would prefer you dont why spend money one a another headset thats gonna cost you shit tons of money when the quest 3 already has it all

[@Alexcolin12-kw5gn]

I like Sebastian because he get into the details and he exactly knows what people really look for

[@mixedrealityTV]

Awww thanks!

[@Mortac]

Why when talking about Pimax products you never mention import fees? You'd probably have to add another €150-200 to its price to have it delivered to Europe.

[@jimgiatras664]

You can get it from a local European warehouse , so no extra import custom fees-taxes only VAT.

[@Mortac]

@@jimgiatras664 Yes, but then the prices will still be higher than stated.

[@tattoodude8946]

Because that is a you problem that not everyone encounters.

[@Mortac]

@@tattoodude8946 He is based in the EU, and basically no other headset needs to deal with additional import fees. That is hardly a rare "me" problem.

[@tattoodude8946]

@@Mortac But is IS a you problem and rarity of said problem is irrelevant. Not everyone has it and you clearly know that you have additional fees - so you can figure that out on your own. Why should he have to do that for you? The unit price is the unit price - period. Taxes and fees are extra and will be different throughout the world and everyone should be able to take some personal responsibility and factor that in as needed.

[@shattia]

I had the G2 but ended up selling it because I really could not live with the fresnel lenses and with the narrow sweet spot . Now I have the quest 3 which blew my away in terms of edge to edge clarity but which I thinks is still not on the same level of the G2 in terms of clarity (of course in the sweet spot region). This Pimax Crystal Light looks really, really tempting but I’m kind of worried about the distortion and chromatic aberration. The only issue I have with my quest 3 are glare with bright objects in dark scenes and with dark scenes which are way too bright because of the backlight being always turned on. I’m really considering this device but I’d keep the quest 3 because the passthrough and standalone features are a big addition for the user experience

[@mongini1]

i'm missing the part where you talk about game performance for PC VR. The quest needs to encode and decode the video, the crystal has DP out which should result in lower demand on your GPU and less latency, plus no compression artifacts... how do you compare that aspect?

[@Rosaslav]

He talks about it near the end of video.

[@benayers8622]

Ahh you expected intelligent discourse, but alas we are in the word salad land youtube has become lol

[@mongini1]

​@@Rosaslav He talks about visuals, but not how the fps compare...

[@Taikaru]

1) Does the Pimax require the Pimax software, and if so does it run on Linux? 2) Does the Quest still require a Facebook/spying account like they used to? (Not that I would think the Pimax is much better, but...) I appreciate the info and comparison! Still working up to my first decent VR headset... will probably be the end of this year, but I never know whether to wait. I also run a 7900 XTX and wonder if it'll be powerful enough.

[@benayers8622]

i dont like the whole spying thing either it counts ur calories n has multiple cameras and even with a burner account i suppose youd be paying for games with credit card so it would still link i kinda jus wana be able to use the thing and not be a guinea pig for some mega ai data harvesting system

[@rodiape]

I would rather see a comparison to decide between Pimax Crystal and big screen beyond

[@MRTVDeutsch]

Haha, actually that is coming up next!!!

[@mixedrealityTV]

Coming up!

[@rodiape]

@@mixedrealityTV thanks 🙏

[@asheliagaming]

When comparing the controllers, do the Pimax ones have capacitive sensors like the Quest ones? (required to support intuitive hand gestures) This is one thing the G2 messed up big time imho, but of course that depends on what we play.

[@CadeXR]

No, it's not Completely different price bracket, as well as one is designed specifically for standalone, the other is designed specifically for PCVR. On is DP, one is USB compressed Both are designed for completely different types of users, this video kinda just feels like clickbait in order to just make another video.

[@CadeXR]

It's like saying "is the new diesel Ford f350 the new Tesla model 3 killer?"

[@wickfut-racing]

did you miss the affiliate links for both headsets pinned at the top? this isn't a comparison, this is a marketing video made for clicks and sales. You might as well search in google and read one of those ai written comparison articles which are everywhere.

[@CognosSquare]

Im using my Q3 mostly as a PCVR headset. To me it is very comparable. At a few hundred euros diff.

[@robertpetrie2536]

Clearly, you need to tweak your settings when you’re playing with a quest three because the visuals are very comparable to non-compressed streams.

[@bumpsy2358]

@@robertpetrie2536 No its not, I don't know why some people keep saying this. Talking as having been an owner of quest 3 and pico 4 and quest 2 and rift s. Hell even the rift s with less resolution but direct connection looks cleaner.

[@lynrayy]

12:24 - The big deal is possibility to use any lighthouse controllers with crystal (if lighthouse even used). There is a lot of fiddling around with quest

[@arinhjorulfr]

But with Crystal you need to get a new computer for $3000+ (HP works on my 2060 but...) and for the Quest 3 you only need like $350 for side stuff and if you not rich well then the choice is Quest. However I still wanna see if some other headset will come out soon before go upgrade from Reverb 2 to Quest 3.

[@HeadsetHistorian]

Could you please try a vive DAS with the crystal light? I think the 3d printed parts of putting a DAS onto the 8kx etc should work just fine. Thanks!

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

I am going to do this mod when mine comes in. 😉👌

[@marcusdamberger]

Is it that MUCH better? DAS = deluxe audio strap. The Crystal Lite has the option for DMAS earphones. They sound pretty good to me.

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

@marcusdamberger I prefer the Deluxe Audio Headstrap on my Pimax5KSuper compared to the original. But they're both good. I just like how the DAS fits me better. Feels more snug and secure. Less wiggle when I make fast head movements side to side.

[@HeadsetHistorian]

@@marcusdamberger The audio on the DMAS is definitely better, but for me the reason I want to do it is because the comfort of the DAS style headstrap is much better for me personally.

[@IamMrChris]

Would you upgrade from a Varjo Aero to the Light?

[@l8knight845]

No, side-grade.

[@CognosSquare]

Probably too similar. But the Crystal light should have the better FOV and you are free from the lighthouses.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Absolutely! Better FOV, less warping, audio...! Overall a great upgrade and NOT a side-grade.

[@l8knight845]

@@mixedrealityTV What a salesman! He already has a sick audio solution(of course), yeah, it's a bit more FOV. But the Aero is free, the Light is 900 bucks. 900 dollars for a few degrees of FOV is a pile of cash.

[@IamMrChris]

@@l8knight845 but i can sell the aero so not too much to upgrade

[@kyle-xi6ku]

Hello , and between the reverb g2 and pimax cristal light for simulation , the upgrade is justified ?

[@JAHDUBProductions]

I would

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Absolutely NAILED it. Great video mate.

[@eracer1111]

I play seated games only. I'll use my Reverb G2 until Microsoft bricks it. By then the next gen Crystal Light will be out, with 4X the local dimming zones of the current model. For me, DisplayPort is a must.

[@TheXev]

After seeing this video, I was already leaning into the Pimax Crystal Light with Faceplate as my next VR Headset, but seeing the audio solution and hearing it is on par with the Reverb G2/Valve Index's solution.. yeah, I'm pretty much sold at this point. Local dimming does seem nifty, however it isn't completely necessary for me... I guess I'll wait until I have money and look at availability then. The Index has needed a true successor, and this might very well be it, price be damned.

[@jellowiggler]

I can't wait for OLED panels in HMD. Real black.

[@apo180]

Samsung did this long time ago with their samsung oddesey vr but I guess they didn't sell enough to keep business afloat, and they no longer produce vr headsets

[@metalceesie219]

A very nice comparison i must say,the only thing that worries me is the geometry distortion,that made me return the pimax crystal...(normal version)

[@zakarymcleod1850]

I'm confused. How could a headset double the price in most areas that relies on wired PCVR be an alternative to a mid range, standalone mixed reality headset? It is still a good video, but the title is a bit confusing since it's practically comparing apples to oranges, or maybe more like oranges to tangerines because of the overlap.

[@mixedrealityTV]

An alternative for those who want PCVR! All others should get the Quest 3 as mentioned in the video!

[@UstinkOfFea3]

Excellent video and comparison👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@mixedrealityTV]

Thank you so much! Glad I can provide value for you.

[@stevensmith6445]

I'm waiting for the Crystal Super micro OLED. Go big or not at all.

[@prodeous]

Currently on Valve Index.. and seeing that like previous Valve products there is no identifable future for it (beyond rumours) I'm really tempted with the Crystal Light (and base station plate) Too bad I can't simply take the head strap and speakers from valve index and add use them with Crystal light, but would love to love to have the proper speakers.. I have a feeling that the moment I get Crystal Light, Valve will announce Index 2 eheh.. such is my luck.

[@calcariachimera]

the 4070 TI Super is said to have similar performance as the 3090.....

[@jackr.749]

The 4070ti Super is actually a little better than a 3090, my Son In law has one, it blows my 3080ti out of the water, the 3080ti is very close to being a 3090 but with half the Vram. He has the Gigabyte 4070ti Super Gaming OC model, nice card and runs very well, stays a lot cooler than my 3080ti (freaking oven LOL).

[@mixedrealityTV]

Yep, you should be fine!

[@busterbrown1686]

@@mixedrealityTV What about the 4070 ?

[@calcariachimera]

@@jackr.749 Awesome, I'm looking into getting a 4070 TI Super myself

[@DominicCast007]

Which one is better for flight sim??

[@mixedrealityTV]

For Sure: Crystal Light

[@seraphimelegy6747]

Will Crystal Light be compatible with the MR Faceplate??

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

Hey Sebastian, I see you have your prescription lenses on your Quest 3. I was thinking of getting some for my Pimax Crystal Light. But, I am getting tired of always buying these prescription lenses for all my headsets. Vive Pro, HP Reverb G2 V2, Quest 3, and PSVR2. There are just so many prescription lenses. I think this time. I will just get contact lenses. I can use these with any headset. 😉👌 I should have done this from the get-go. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@marcusdamberger]

Dude, I was also sick of prescription lenses, I would see chromatic aberration way more, they seem to add distortion. I got VR Rock ones, not happy with them for my Crystal. I didn't want to spend more on prescription lenses if its hit or miss with them. So I had been thinking of getting contacts anyway for a while and dealing with the lenses on VR headset was not appealing. As I also got a Quest 3 and didn't want to spend more $$ on another set of lenses. Long story short I got contacts and love them, I don't wear them all the time. But when I know I'm going to use the VR headset that day, I'll put them in. Plus I can totally read stuff on computer monitors and my cell phone without reading glasses! It's worth it to get contacts, PCVR pushed me to finally go for it. 😊

[@tonymartinez3434]

I got the Crystal light for DCS and MSFS. upgrading from a vive pro 2

[@SirJivago]

The Pimax Crystal Light is a headset that requires a large Gaming PC, and therefore a lot of money. Meta Quest 3 fit on any computer. On the other hand, the Quest 3 does not allow you to play all games at native resolution. As a result, it’s a headset that has its limitation. The biggest flaw of the Quest 3 is that the headset does not take advantage of the graphics card (the GPU). In addition to the games themselves, it is a headset that increases the CPU load. As a result, the designer's recommendations for some game no longer hold.

[@markchurch5273]

Can the controllers from g2 and pico4 work on the pimax?

[@mixedrealityTV]

No.

[@RobertoOrtis]

Which one is better for iRacing?

[@mixedrealityTV]

Crystal

[@reedtkfilms7077]

none vr for racing is cool to look at and sickening past 30 minutes dont waste your money

[@DarrenBusuttil-li1ot]

Hi Sebastian ,thanks for all the info.. I am following your videos as I have never owned a VR headset. I am intrested in the pimax , my question is should I wait for the Crystal Super or go ahead with the light version & which one should do the less sickness ? I tried vr once & after 15min I felt I was going to die so I am afraid to invest all that money on the Super if than I cant have fun cose of the sickness. Can I have your suggestion please

[@mixedrealityTV]

All the current headsets will not make you sick anymore! For the first headset I would really recommend you to get the Quest 3. If you are sure you only want to do simming or PCVR then get Crystal Light now. We don't know yet when Super will come out!

[@elMuele]

VR motion sickness is something you get over with time. Play stationary games. Use teleport. Stop playing when you feel sick. After some time it will get better. For me personally it took a full year to become almost immune.

[@Aidinbg]

Thank you for video. Can you please tell me if i use quest 3 with cable to play pc games do i still face the compression or this problem is only there when i use wifi ?

[@mixedrealityTV]

@@Aidinbg Also with cable you weil have the same compression.

[@SiwertJonasson]

You don't mention anything about a microphone. Quest 3 has a microphone but does the Crystal light?

[@mixedrealityTV]

Crystal Light has a microphone.

[@pauljrix]

If the Crystal Light had been available 6 months ago then I would have jumped on it…but I picked up a Quest 3 and it is hard to justify dropping another $1K on a headset at this point, especially when the Quest 3 does such a great job overall. I’m using a link cable for PCVR, mostly playing DCS, MSFS and VTOL-VR.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Yes Quest 3 is great! Just enjoy it!

[@liebesmaennchen]

BOTH! Greetings from Austria Mister VR Dude! :D

[@farmertrueVR]

Yessir! Quest 3 for standalone and the Crystal Light for PCVR. Fancy seeing you here. Cheers!

[@BurstingVeins1]

This is such a tough call. I'm coming from a Reverb G2, but it sounds more like I want the Quest 3 even though I hate Facebook, because it offers capability to do wireless or PC VR and I can get full access to Steam wirelessly.

[@a5cent]

For casuals who are fine playing games like it's 2001, yes, Quest 3. For people who care about technology and visual fidelity, it will always be PCVR.

[@henryhilairejr6331]

How are the Movie watching experience, and virtual monitor on the crystallight?

[@mixedrealityTV]

Incredibly clear. Both very good use cases!

[@g709z5]

I'm just can't get one thing. Big screen Beyond. At 72Hz full resolution about 2500² pixels. At 90Hz it lowering resolution as display port bandwidth not enough. And here we've gotten Crystal Light with the same display port, bu at higher resolution (2880²px) and higher maximum frequency at 120Hz. Where is the trick???

[@SargonDragon]

That's 75Hz at 2550x2550 for the Beyond. And it's limited by the bandwidth of its display controller, not DisplayPort. On Pimax's side, they've done a lot of work on pushing the boundaries of DisplayPort. And have even worked together with nVidia to expand it beyond its original limits. It works.

[@g709z5]

@@SargonDragon Sounds interesting. Thanks for reply!

[@SiwertJonasson]

What is lighthouse faceplate? is it needed for MSFS?

[@mixedrealityTV]

It's not needed. Only if you want to use the older Valve Lighthouse tracking solution you will need it.

[@wittyname-sy5je]

Something important to mention is the DMAS speakers add another $100 to the price, bringing it up to $1k w/ controllers. And apparently they also add a significant amount of weight as well. Tally Mouse recently got a Pimax Crystal Light with just the SMAS speakers and he measured the weight at just 581 grams on his calibrated scale. VoodooDE_VR measured his Crystal Light with the DMAS speakers at around 925 grams. That's a big difference. I don't believe Tally Mouse commented on the sound quality of the SMAS yet but I'm sure DMAS is probably better. It might be worth experimenting with headphones/earbuds if you want to try saving some weight though.

[@mixedrealityTV]

I get around 900g with dmas. But can they be sooo heavy?

[@wittyname-sy5je]

@@mixedrealityTV I know, I was shocked as well when Tally Mouse confirmed that's what he measured himself. He also said the warp profiles on his were off so maybe his was a prototype unit? Might be worth taking off the DMAS speakers and weighing it just to see what the difference is.

[@mixedrealityTV]

@@wittyname-sy5je for sure not 400g. :)

[@after6am]

>300g 😮 find this hard to believe

[@wittyname-sy5je]

@@mixedrealityTV Probably not. Pimax doesn't list the weight of the DMAS on their product page (they should). I looked on Amazon and found them listed at about 150 grams. Maybe Tally Mouse's unit was a fluke. Reinhard Roscher also measured his unit with the Pimax comfort strap on at about 951 grams so Tally Mouse's unit seems to be different somehow. That or maybe the scale is off or it's being measured differently.

[@piratehunter1]

I recently got a 4070ti and I want a headset that will take advantage of that. thx for this vid.

[@TJM-2023]

Wireless, no matter what the visual difference. Unless I'm sitting down, I don't want to even think about wires. Think about it like the cell phone. Would you rather be attached to the wall with a wire or go where you want? Once you get rid of the wire, it doesn't matter if the cell service sometimes screws up, nobody owns twisted-pair wired phones anymore. I haven't seen one in decades. Wireless is better, even if you lose capability, wireless is better.

[@m0rph3u5.]

Great very balanced and honest review.. as much as I dislike Facebook/meta, I gotta say that the Quest 3 is unbeatable and a must have. My index will be collecting dust for the foreseeable future. Playing FO4 in VR wirelessly is such an immersive experience! HOWEVER, when it comes to flight sim like DCS, there is definitely better clarity and resolution boost compared to the index. However, it's not that impressive (especially with the lack of local dimming). I will be looking forward to the *Crystal Super* P.S. You forgot about the *MIXED REALITY* passthrough camera of the Quest which is a blessing especially if you use it for productivity and development

[@pieproducer]

its not 899,when u go to checkout,tax is massive added

[@SargonDragon]

That's how tax works.

[@pieproducer]

@@SargonDragon no shit sherlock.

[@sergioesamayoa]

I own Quest 3 which I use mostly for DCS so I'm thinking on buying crystal light but not quite sure if my rig, even tho not bad (i7 gen 11, RTX 4070, 64G DDR4 3200), will handle the 80% more pixels :( Looks like I will have to stay with Quest 3 until I get a new rig with at least 4090 GPU :( BTW you definitely need to change the Quest 3 strap, I recommend VOBO - I started using it with Quest 2 and, IMHO, is the best strap you can get.

[@a5cent]

This isn't really true. You can upscale the image and it will work just fine with a 4070. The image just won't be as sharp as it could be with the PCL. Activate SFR and you can get good sharpness too. IMHO a 4080 is the recommended GPU, but at this point I'd wait for the 50xx series. I doubt you need an entirely new rig. CPU has little to no affect on VR performance.

[@sergioesamayoa]

@a5cent Upscalong makes no sense. Why I would want a device with better resolution if I will end up with basically the same image?

[@a5cent]

@@sergioesamayoa I think you're taking too much of a black/white approach to this. Using upscaling doesn't mean you are forced to go all the way down to Quest 3 levels. It won't be as sharp as it could be, but can still be much better than what the Quest 3 offers. You also might have overlooked the SFR, which is an important part in that paragraph. So, yes, it absolutely makes sense. Or at least it can make sense if you know how to use it correctly.

[@volvoxo]

Where through the lenses?

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

in previous videos

[@mixedrealityTV]

Exactly.

[@volvoxo]

@@mixedrealityTV in comparison with meta 3 🤦

[@icekuba]

Why are You not showing I think the most important the comparison view true the lenses? :(

[@mixedrealityTV]

Comartian view? What do you mean?

[@icekuba]

@@mixedrealityTV comparison ;)

[@SiwertJonasson]

I don't need to buy the Crystal Light with hand controls when I fly MSFS do I?

[@mixedrealityTV]

No you dont.

[@SpringChickensOnlyMan]

Meta needs to put every single quest 3 game in their pc software so we can install games on our computer. We got far more storage in our PCs than we ever will on a vr headset alone. Plus we got revive to play meta games on different vr headsets.

[@highpraise-highcritic]

Quest 3 is arm. PC is mostly x86 .. they don't have enough resources for native development as is. Why would they do this?

[@SpringChickensOnlyMan]

@@highpraise-highcritic Not enough resources you say? Is that why it’s such a a pain to find games that are actually good on standalone vr? I mean there’s a lot of games but most are not that long at all

[@SargonDragon]

No mention that the microphone on the Crystal Light is really bad?

[@mixedrealityTV]

It's better than Vive mics. You can watch my full review about the headset. That is probably where YOU learned about the mic quality.

[@SargonDragon]

@@mixedrealityTV Comparison to Vive mics is a very low bar. And from what I've heard, it's arguable whether it's better or even worse than that. The difference in mic quality between these two headsets is meaningful for people who play VR with friends, so I think that's something which would have been worth mentioning in this video. The Crystal Light's mic quality is bad enough to be noticeable and disruptive. Especially for people who play social VR like VRChat.

[@SargonDragon]

I have now heard the Crystal Light on another KZbin channel after a recent firmware update which seems to have improved the microphone quality. It's still not good, but it doesn't seem to be trash now. It may be enough to mostly alleviate my concerns.

[@n9ne]

comfort is more than just the strap i bet that sweating is less bad with the quest3 because of how much forehead the crystal covers and also the tether is uncomfortable for most games. quest3 wins hands down as far as comfort goes. but if we are talking SIM only of course the pimax is going to win 9 times out of 10. quest3 only wins when you start adding motion sim rigs like the yaw2/3.

[@JJRain]

Where is through the lens comparioson?

[@michalpetrilak3976]

Previous videos.

[@reedtkfilms7077]

only diffrence being 2000 dollars plus i see reviews everywhere saying it breaks after 2 months

[@mixedrealityTV]

I don't see these reviews "everywhere". Not at all.

[@RobertoOrtis]

The difference in price is astonishing, almost double the price.

[@tedluera6975]

Do you understand why enthusiasts get so frustrated with Pimax? Pimax 12k was announced in October of 2021 -- with trade in! VR-tubers go nuts! This is a game changer! Pimax interview with Sebastian March of 2022 -- confirmed we'll launch by 4th quarter 2022 Only... Two months later they announce Pimax Crystal So... You better put that 8KX under glass for a minimum of four years if you want 'confirmed' trade-in -- if they can get 12k out in 2025. Pimax Crystal Light announced for only $700... VR-tubers go nuts! This is game changer! Only... $700 not available. Nevertheless Pimax sends a unit around to VR-tubers to review with the DMAS so... Announce $700 headset to make a splash, but send a $1000 unit to review (local dimming with controllers and DMAS). Anyway we are super excited about the $700 headset but you SHOULD BUY the $1000 one. Or you can wait for the Crystal Super (without trade-in) Are we at VR 3.0 yet??

[@maddogtungate6740]

The Pimax runs fine on a RTX 3080ti. You don't need a 40 series.

[@simonoregan4744]

Almost double the pixels. But here's the catch. Even with an RTX 4080 and an i74700k I only just reach 90fps on my Quest 3. That's with most graphics settings on low. So even the 5090 is not going to be able to use the PIMAX Crystal at its full potential. And by the time CPU & Graphics card performance catches up the Crystal will already be outdated and there will more than likely be something way better. Maybe I'll wait for the Quest 4.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

In what game?

[@simonoregan4744]

@@Nobody-Nowhere Iracing, Asseto Corsa, ACC, Rfactor 2, Race Room & Automobilista 2. In game settings low to medium. Oculus set to 90Hz 5408. Encod bitrate 960. Link Cable.Pixels per display override sometimes set to 1.2 to 1.4 depending on the performance. Performance can vary depending on track, car & how many other cars are on the screen at any one time. I mostly get 90fps. I can't get all of my games working with OpenXR Toolkit in order to benefit from foveated rendering. Perhaps if the Crystal has this built into their drivers this could give a small boost. From what I've seen this can give another 20% in the in game VR performance monitor which usually means I can bump up PPD by another .1 or .2 which does make a difference in terms of clarity. Love VR I will not play flat screen games again. The Quest 3 is an amazing piece of kit. You cant go wrong with it in my opinion. Considering all of the tech that you get for the price.

[@SargonDragon]

@@simonoregan4744 People run these on the Crystal all the time with a 4080. Performance characteristics are different on a PCVR headset than you're used to remote streaming to a Quest. Crystal > Quest 3 for simracing. That's the Crystal's bread and butter.

[@simonoregan4744]

@@SargonDragon I've seen performance benchmarks where the direct display port connection offers a 15% performance bump over the Quests compression in performance monitor. That opens up another .1 bump in PPD if you're lucky. And I don't want to just "run" the game. I want to run the game at 90fps. Everything is moving allot faster in racing.

[@SargonDragon]

@@simonoregan4744 You're right insofar as even a 4090 can not run a Crystal to "its full potential". But that kind of doesn't matter. The Crystal Light will produce better results in combination with your 4080 than the Quest 3 does. It's like putting race tires on any car will make it faster, whether or not that car has the ability to "max out" those tires potential. There's more to this than just the rendering resolution your GPU is able to achieve while maintaining 90Hz. I'm big into iRacing, too. I have a DD wheel setup and all that. I also run at 90fps. I own a Quest 3, too. I'm speaking from experience with this hardware. Also, besides the difference in display, there's the matter of latency. Quest 3's remote streaming adds significant latency on the order of 50ms to all of your inputs. DisplayPort headsets like the Crystal do not have this latency. As a driver, that latency will feel to you like the car just reacts a little slower, and you will naturally adjust to it. But that's slowing is coming from the Quest 3, not the simulation. Eliminating it will make you faster.

[@Marcin79W]

Thank you, the best channel ever!

[@zenobikraweznick]

Crystal + GPU + CPU , No Gpu or Cpu, no Crystal for you 😂

[@gomini3707]

It all boils down to Stand-alone VS PCVR Stand-alone surely helped millions to discover VR without needing a high end PC But is stand-alone the future of VR ? I sincerely doubt it. I believe PC VR will emerge as the winner going forward. PCs are at the center of so many hardware & software ecosystems.... VR will be no exception imho

[@JAHDUBProductions]

I'm on the same page. I'm not only using my headset for gaming. I'm into art, design, animation, and those things and I don't see a standalone running software like Blender or Maya. You need a computer. I'll get a standalone maybe, one day. But my main driver will continue to be wired PCVR.

[@SargonDragon]

It will be just like smartphones were supposed to kill PC. People will have both. Which is what MRTV is recommending here.

[@technikchegger7228]

Or simply use the Pimax Crystal with Wgig module😜

[@zizarami3270]

the interest of the quest 3 is the exclusives games

[@stuart3712]

Pimax with smaller fov, yeah, ill pass. could be similar to the index....

[@terryljam]

I bought a Meta-Oculus Rift S one year before they dropped their support of this product. The Rift S worked well until I updated my computer. Now two years later and after a year of Meta stupid suggestions for getting my Rift S working again, it's still not working. I have a $400 paper weight that Meta refuses to fix even though they say my new computer should not be a problem. I cannot recommend buying any Meta products due to their lack of customer service and having a chance of the same dropping of older products support. Meta basically has no customer service and only lip service!

[@Simmymind360]

Just a note .. you can play Quest games on Crystal.. without any mods to worry about Wooshka!!!

[@Gaze73]

How? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of having Quest exclusives?

[@Simmymind360]

@@Gaze73 Read up on what Pimax play can do outside of owning a Quest..I have a Quest 2..and enjoy it no doubt

[@Gaze73]

@@Simmymind360 It can't run Asgards wrath 2 or AC Nexus.

[@Simmymind360]

@@Gaze73 yea, some games may have restrictions or license issues True

[@vitodiomede79]

Pimax forever especially if you have a PC

[@ColinMcauliffe-y5v]

I have the meta quest 3 it’s great I play car racing games.

[@coen8234]

I don't know, I personally take the quest 3 head strap over that crappy back thing of the pimax any day. I hate that thing so much, it's only acceptable when your standing but how much of your time in vr are you actually standing? Some sure, but mostly I'm sitting or lying down.

[@emilianomontanari283]

if you chose higher res headset be sure to have a more powerful pc….

[@superhans85]

Thanks Seb

[@chaos00819]

Please do a g2 and pimax crystal comparison

[@tosvus]

I wish the Crystal Light supported lighthouse at a cheaper cost. It seems silly it costs as much as controllers.

[@freddywayne]

This is TL;DR If you're a video/latency PCVR snob, pay the extra money and buy the Pimax... for everything else, META QUEST 3. I have the Meta Quest 3

[@eugenecia9424]

I won't buy either, wait for the PSVR2 adapter. Criystal too small partnership. Quest too much latency for sim racing.

[@xr-rd4lu]

just lookin at any pimax headset hurts my neck. so big and bulky

[@slobooger]

Im not sure I agree with saying Everybody should blow their wad on the Facebook Meta Quest 3..... ESPECIALLY if they already have a gaming PC and arent going out in their front yard to play beat saber.... Just my own two cents.

[@DasJev]

huge quest library with 500 games most of them are trash, steam vr library 5000 games most of them are trash, who wins?

[@FantasyNero]

2024 Still No Pimax 12K as they promised, Sadly :(

[@l8knight845]

I think it's good they're continuing to support and improve the Crystal with the Light and upcoming Super(or whatever.) It guarantees a longer support life for this platform. Plus PC's can't run anything better anyway?

[@mixedrealityTV]

yep, that truly sucks.

[@wittyname-sy5je]

They said somewhere they're planning to release the 12K after the Crystal Super. They said it won't be long after the Super but you know how Pimax is. Also if their claim about having 6K equivalent resolution per eye holds true then you're not going to be able to play much of anything without significantly reducing the resolution on that headset. The Crystal, which is 4K equivalent per eye, maxes out a 4090 in some games. And I suspect that may remain true even with a 5090 in some cases. The upcoming Crystal Super is 5K equivalent per eye and I think it's going to be like the 8K all over again where it takes a few generations for graphics power to catch up. The Crystal Super is a 77.78% increase in the number of pixels in the display panel over the Crystal. The 12K if 6K equivalent is true would be 256% more pixels. And keep in mind the number of pixels in the render resolution increases even more. And then the increased FOV it needs to render pushes that even further. Pimax will need a breakthrough in tech, make a compromise in resolution or dust off potato mode.

[@tattoodude8946]

Would anything be able to run it well at this point anyway?

[@RobertoOrtis]

What’s wrong with your eyes? 😢

[@RaffaelaRigby]

Lol - 200eur import tax to EU - go fy!

[@robskey]

Qest3 is trash hedset pleas stop

[@mixedrealityTV]

Please elaborate!