BEST PCVR HEADSET RIGHT NOW: Pimax Crystal Light vs. Bigscreen Beyond - Who Takes The Crown?

[@Verociity]

Funny how the BIGcreen Beyond is the small headset and the Crystal *Light* is huge one 😅 I would've bought the Beyond if it were an all inclusive package like the Crystal light, it's simply too much when we also need base stations and controllers. They both really need a bigger FOV though, we've been stuck in 100-110° since the CV1.

[@JasonXBeats]

plus the glare are on beyond is very bad i heard.

[@ThePape78]

As a simracer. Which is somehow never mentioned. The simplicity of using the Bigscreen. You don't even have to start a tool. You don't have to start the headset. You just start the game. Then sit in your rig. Put on the Bigscreen and you're ready to go. We're not even talking about weight and comfort. I use the Bigscreen without the gasket. Only with a TopstrapMod and a nose adapter. It sits on my nose like a pair of glasses and the TopstrapMod allows the strap to lie on the front of my forehead, taking away any pressure. I also achieve the maximum FOV and have a pretty good e2e. So not like a Quest pro, but never annoying for me. And the customer support is one of the best I've ever had. You have your own channel in Discord with a contact person who responds super quickly. When I think back to Pimax. And I'm from Europe. As an American, it would be a no-brainer for me.

[@Verociity]

Does removing the gasket improve the FOV? I thought they made it as small as possible to maximise the FOV for your face.

[@sergiothebest_AI]

​@@Verociity The gasket is essential to keep your eyes precisely positioned relative to the lenses and to provide total darkness, which is crucial; otherwise, you will lose a lot in display quality.

[@Verociity]

@@sergiothebest_AI that was my assumption but it doesn't seem like that's the case for him which is why I'm asking.

[@ThePape78]

@@Verociity yes. in my case, yes. with the nose adapter from thingvierse. and less heat

[@ThePape78]

@@Verociity i have much more edge to edge clarity without the gasket but i have also to say. my eyes are deep in my skull :-) not ideal for vr often. so i have to tune every headset 🙂

[@austinsmith8448]

I have an HP Reverb G2. I really wanted to buy a Bigscreen Beyond for a long time, but the need to buy lighthouse stations and controllers made it more difficult to commit. And I probably still would have done it if it weren't for reviewers talking about the glare problem, upscaling to get 90 fps, etc. I heard about the Crystal Light a couple weeks back and pulled the trigger on it. It would really be nice if we could have the same clarity / great lenses / FOV, etc. of Crystal Light - but in a smaller form factor like the Beyond, but for now I'm excited to try Alyx, MSFS, etc with the Crystal Light. In 5 years I'm sure I'll upgrade again. Also probably will be upgrading my Ryzen 5600X / RTX 3080 at the end of the year to 9800X3D / RTX 5090. Gonna need some power for this Crystal Light.

[@grandpixel]

@@Dronetothetop I don’t know, haven’t received the crystal light yet. Shipping schedule says mid-end August.

[@TheXev]

I also have the HP Reverb G2, and the Pimax Crystal Light has more of what I want and less compromises. The sound solution seems good, I can add lighthouse tracking (I already own lighthouses and Index Knuckles and play with a hybrid setup), I don't need to purchases it with controllers (Already have Index Knuckles), so I seriously want a lighthouse based headset. I was originally thinking about the Big Screen Beyond as my only REAL choice in that price range, but it doesn't come with the sound solution (it cost more money), we also don't know how good the quality of said sound solution is yet either. While I think that the Pimax Crystal Light's microphone is a serious step down from the HP Reverb G2's, finding a 3rd party solution will be less troublesome then dealing with the reduced FOV of the Big Screen Beyond. Visuals matter a lot to me not because I want the best, but because my eyes strain less from having better visuals, and I think the Pimax Crystal Light will be a serious step up in most regards.

[@fangornthewise]

How do the lenses compare? I have a G2 too, and although the resolution is nice, I absolutely hate the glare/lack of clarity/god rays/small sweet-spot which I assumedare caused by the Fresnel lenses (never had any other headset nor do I know anyone who does).

[@grandpixel]

@@fangornthewise only been using Crystal Light for like a day, and honestly a bit disappointed with it.. you really notice the weight of the thing... the face gasket is really wide and plenty of light comes in the sides. The lenses fog up sometimes. Sharpness is fine because more pixels, but there is still chromatic abberation when not looking center.. I got frustrated with the motion issues but I assume that's a SteamVR problem that needs fixed. Also not impressed with black levels, though they are fine, comparable to the G2 I guess, but I think after this a headset must be OLED and small like Bigscreen Beyond. Probably buy next version of Bigscreen Beyond or if they come out with a model that has better lenses and higher framerate/bandwidth. I kind of want to try the current one and just see how it compares to the Crystal Light. I think it's most likely a better overall experience.

[@hughmac7423]

If I was going to choose, it would be Pimax because they don't make the Big Screen Beyond for 75mm IPD, and I know from using a Pimax 8KX that I can get the Pimax close enough to 70mm manual IPD and use there software adjustment to get to 75mm.

[@sergiothebest_AI]

I've criticized the Pimax Crystal a lot. I always thought their option with batteries and all that mess was unbearable, making it a virtual headset from the past. In the end, I'm waiting for my Pimax Crystal Light, which should arrive in 3 days. It's obviously the best option if you're sticking to PCVR, now that they've removed all those flaws. As for comfort, the Bigscreen is probably better, but don't forget you’ll need to put on an audio headset. This means dealing with the hassle of putting one on and then the other. And it’s either an additional cable for the headset or more batteries, and ears getting quite warm in the cushions... What also stopped me from going for the Bigscreen was the need to scan your face with an iPhone. I think they've lost many customers on this point alone. Combined with visual imperfections, I'm not sure the OLED display makes up for all that.

[@kanerowe]

I’d love to read what you think about the headset once you’ve had the chance to mess around with it for a bit!

[@toututu2993]

The requirements for Bigscreen Beyond is just flatout ultimate comical 😂 Making it the weirdest product ever made next to ordering a poop online

[@ThePape78]

My vrp10 in ears weigh 10 grams. Not really an argument

[@SargonDragon]

The audio strap for the Bigscreen Beyond is arriving on the market about the same time the Crystal Light is. And I agree that the need to scan your face with an iPhone is friction in the buying process, but frankly it's not that big of a deal. I had to borrow an iPhone myself. Took 5 minutes. It's annoying but it doesn't really qualify as a barrier compared to other considerations. The display of the Crystal Light is a little better than the Beyond, but the Beyond is better in virtually every other way. So it is not an obvious choice between the two. Depends on what is most important to you.

[@Schwing27]

Im curious to know what you think of the crystal light when you receive it.

[@bilbo_skywalker]

pimax has criminally bad customer support... I preordered the crystal light, but then cancelled the preorder because I will be traveling a lot this summer and most likely won't be home to receive the order in following weeks/months. first they said I would have to pay "order handling fee" if I wanted to proceed with refund, which is charged by their bank (?). I said the order wasn't even shipped, what handling fee. then they said ok, I'll get refund. they refunded 30 euros (pre-order) only. I asked what's happening with main refund (800+ euros), they said it will take a bit more business days (5-8). it's been 10 days since, and they didn't even initiate refund (via paypal), and they stopped replying to my messages. I opened the case via paypal, let's see what happens now

[@bilbo_skywalker]

Update.. paypal ruled in my favor, I got the refund. I pinged the support again *after* paypal has ruled in my case just asking for update to see if they ever even looked into it, they replied "currently, we are observing the traditional Chinese festival - the Dragon Boat Festival. Once the holiday period is over, we will ensure that our finance team processes your refund promptly." so support never even bothered to really look into it, they were just gaslighting me to go away lol. makes me really uncomfortable thinking about doing business with pimax at all

[@twalsh05]

@@bilbo_skywalker yeahhh.. fk that, this is why I always try to buy locally when I can. I'm thinking of getting the PSVR2, which luckily many places sell here

[@jpeavr]

Mine is set to arrive in a few weeks but I'm already waiting by the porch.

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

😉👌 I am excited as well. It should be here any day now.

[@jpeavr]

@@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe You're in the EU ?

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

@jpeavr I am located in USA 🇺🇸

[@jpeavr]

@@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe OMG. I'm in Canada. That mean my headset could be here sooner than later! I'm going back to the porch.

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

@jpeavr I pre-ordered in April and paid in full for it in May. My email said 4 weeks. So I think I should get it by the end of this month.

[@alexg963]

The FOV of the two being so similar is incredibly surprising and seems like it should be a testament to how innovative the Beyond really is, especially with that size difference. I did not realize how significant the size difference between them was until I saw them side-by-side here. I’ve not tried either, but I’m heavily leaning toward the Beyond for my next headset (coming from a G2 that’s been for the most part collecting dust because of how uncomfortable it can be at times).

[@bigpaps7696]

Was really hoping to hear a clear winner in the results as im looking to pickup a first vr headset. Want something high end with oled, high refresh, and little to no artifacts.

[@richardnoall3758]

I don't mean to be negative, but could all the KZbin reviewers make clear that the Pimax headset shown in the videos is what you get? Because I don't think it is. The top strap seems to be a luxury add-on and of course the DMAS speakers. Plus tax that a lot of us are going to have to pay on top of the dollars amount quoted as well as delivery charges.

[@KRoy1990]

You get everything you see in the video exept the DMAS. ( the top strap was changed, so it is much wider than the original Crystal top strap)

[@richardnoall3758]

@@KRoy1990 Thanks, that's a bonus. Would be nice though if the reviewers mentioned the extra tax etc you may have to pay rather than finding out the hard way at checkout. The $899 (£700) approx) for the faceplate version turned into approx £1000 after DMAS/tax/delivery. I'm not saying this is a bad price for what you get, if it is that good, but needs mentioning in the video.

[@tdhitchins]

Yeah the tax is a bloody cheeky one isn’t. The price advertised doesn’t even say it’s excluding VAT. Bit dodgy imo that! However, I have ordered one still and then was surprised by having to pay postage. It’s nearly £1k with controllers and local dimming and you still have to pay postage. I wasn’t expecting that

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

I paid $904.00 after getting the $30 Credit added from pre-order. 😉👌 Note: I got the Pimax Crystal Light with No Controllers and the Light House Face Plate. Local Dimming Version. I already have Base Stations and Controllers. This will be my Main PCVR headset. I have the Quest 3 and Quest Pro and both are very good. But, this will be a joy to play in high quality VR Gaming.

[@tdhitchins]

@@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe I was lucky enough to get 50% off :)

[@CognosSquare]

The part where BYB is not native 2560x2560 at 90hz, only at 75hz. At 90hz you get 1920x1920 per eye and then upsampled is not good. Resolution is MUCH better on the PCL @ real 2880x2880 even at 120hz

[@alphacompton]

One of the reasons I didn't buy the BigScreenBeyond. Knee capped resolution and it doesn't even hit 120hz no oleds seem to hit that except the PSVR2. Not having built in a audio was a huge deal breaker for me. I do not like wearing headphones of any type. Ear buds only for a limited time (much less than I can wear a VR headset).

[@Anakin-dl6eb]

Great comparison !

[@steveramundo4946]

Thank you for this review! I sim race and am loving my bigscreen!!

[@tattoodude8946]

I was really worried about the weight of the PCL. But upon weighing my Quest 3, I found out that with the Bobo battery headstrap, it is actually heavier than the PCL! I know Pimax has a look, but it does seem like they could cut down on the bulk of that thing. I think a lot more people would look into them if they weren't so huge!

[@theredstormer8078]

The bigscreen beyond's small fov and sweetspot are absolute dealbreakers. I'd take a little more weight for larger lenses and maybe adjustable ipd. I wouldn't mind having to partially disassemble the hmd to adjust it, I only want thatbcause I've seen multiple people saying the beyond's IPD isn't always perfect despite their face scan stuff.

[@jackr.749]

What is bothering me about the Pimax reviews, all of them have the DMAS headphones which is a expensive option, the Crystal Light comes with the SMAS earphones which are totally different. It would be nice if a review would talk about the SMAS earphones, how well they work, how do they compare to let's say a Rirft-S, Quest 2 and 3 and Pico 4 which all have built in earphones. I have a Crystal Light on order, not expecting it until August but am curious about the SMAS earphones since no one ever talks about them. Sebastian..... please talk about them! LOL

[@richardnoall3758]

Completely agree, they have sent a deluxe headset to all the reviewers, which is not what Joe Public will get. Holding off for user reviews.

[@MultiDragola]

The smas are basically the same as quest 2/3 stock, nothing crazy bass especially but it works and is good out used of bass

[@richardnoall3758]

@@MultiDragola Then that's what the KZbinrs should have been sent, not a 'deluxe' headset.

[@MultiDragola]

@@richardnoall3758 it's not a deluxe headset, it's a audio option and you aren't required to use them to have the same experience it's just better audio for a premium, most the reviewers have them from other pimac headsets they just plug and play it's not a whole headstrap

[@SargonDragon]

There's a reason Pimax doesn't want reviewers testing the SMAS ear phones. I've heard them on the OG Crystal. As good as the Quest 2/3 stock audio they are not.

[@SargonDragon]

After using Pimax for years and owning multiple of their headsets including the most recent Crystal, I have moved to the Bigscreen Beyond. The Crystal Light is threatening to temp me back. But something that none of these reviews are talking about is Pimax's bad track record for stability problems with their headsets and their bad customer service. The Beyond hasn't put a foot wrong since I got it, and that seems to be the typical experience for this headset. The Beyond's support is also excellent by all accounts. Whereas I think you would be hard pressed to find Pimax owners who haven't experienced frustration getting their headsets to work and stay working. The simplified nature of the Crystal Light suggests this will be better. But still... it's Pimax. These two companies have very different philosophies when it comes to polishing and supporting their current offerings. And it's something buyers should be considering when comparing them.

[@Verociity]

That's what's kept me away, every time I'm tempted I keep hearing horror stories from Pimax. We underestimate the user experience and customer service when things go wrong. I'd just want one polished Pimax headset instead of a million incremental upgrades, like the Beyond.

[@robbertvanweelderen3149]

I've had a terrible experience with the original Crystal. Had to send it back in for a replacement because it would fail after 20 minutes of use. Also the buttons are super flimsy and starting up the Crystal was always a question of it going to work or not. Haven't had a single problem with my Bigscreen.

[@markdresslar]

Do you need the controllers if you don't play stuff that require them? I only use VR for sim racing but I have a Quest 3 looking to get a Crystal Light. The reason I ask is because on the Quest 3 I don't really need the controllers except for one part of the process, I can use hand tracking just fine until I connect using Link cable, then it no longer uses hand tracking and I have to use the controller just to click the desktop icon so I can use my computer normally with mouse and keyboard, boot into the game and use wheel and pedals. If any one knows let me know, thanks!

[@FalconLX911]

Thank you for the honest recommendations. But be honest, what is your daily driver? Also what do you get for the affiliate link?

[@mixedrealityTV]

My daily driver is the Crystal Light. What do I get for the affiliate links? Money to run this channel. I can't do these videos for free, it's a lot of work age as crazy as it nay seem: I also have bill to pay.

[@briank3754]

Thanks for the work Sebastian we appreciate it! Makes life a lot easier having honest reviewers like you try these pricy VR headsets out so we can make informed decisions.

[@grandpixel]

I bought the Crystal Light and not really happy with it. It's too frickin huge for me to even want to put it on. The face gasket doesn't fit my face - there is light leakage. Black levels are not very good. Local dimming only helps when the screen is black. Visuals are good but it's hard to keep the lenses clean and the headset is difficult to keep positioned perfectly because the fit isn't great and it's just heavy and bulky. I might sell it and try the Bigscreen. Everything Sebastion describes about the issues with visuals on the Bigscreen I'm also seeing in the Crystal. I don't know - I think VR has a ways to go to be desirable. Maybe the Apple Vision Pro would be a good option if there were official PCVR support.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Hi Grandpixel, sorry to hear that! First I would recommend the Studioform comfort mods. See my videos about them. Then for all other problems, come to the MRTV Discord Server where we can help you with any other troubles. Often it's not love on first sight with this headset but then after a while it will turn into love.

[@grandpixel]

@@mixedrealityTV thanks, I ordered the facepad and strap, will go from there and ask questions in Discord

[@grandpixel]

@@mixedrealityTV The Studioform face pad and comfort strap helped tremendously. It's much more comfortable and stays in place so the lens position isn't always changing. Now the only real issue is that I don't really like the LCD panels. I wish they had an OLED Crystal Light.

[@nhtalbot]

@@grandpixelThe Crystal Super will have an OLED version, but it won’t come out until next year

[@dathyr1]

I am sorry, but I will still stay with my Quest 3. The Quest 3 headset was available before these two in the video were even mentioned, so I bought the Quest 3 and I am happy with using it. I don't need to spend allot more money at this time just to get something that might be a little be better. And no I am not a META fanboy, again, I just found and tried the Quest 3 that works for all my gaming and will continue to use it. But thanks for the video. Take care.

[@alphacompton]

The Quest 3 is honestly the best all around headset with some great features neither of these premium headsets have. I am very happy with my Quest 3. That said, I ordered a Pimax Crystal Light to replace my old Valve Index I've been using since 2020. Local dimming is nice on my Quest Pro but the fit and comfort of the Quest Pro is weird compared to the other headsets. I'll be selling both my Index and my Quest Pro when I get my Crystal Light. I personally think QLED + Local dimming is the way to go. I have a beautiful OLED TV but my main PC monitor is a bright mini LED QLED monitor. No worries about burn in or persistence blur.

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

Quest 3 is a headset I believe everyone should own if you ask me. There is nothing out there that can touch what it offers. You get legit VR experience without breaking the bank. The Mixed Reality feature is amazing. And yes, it can even do PCVR pretty well. Quest 3 is definitely the best bang for your Buck. Note: This Pimax Crystal Light is an upgrade for people who already have a lot invested. VR headsets are similar to cell phones. Every year, they come out with something better. You can upgrade or continue using what you already got. I ❤️ my Quest 3 but, Now that I have this Pimax Crystal Light. My Quest 3 will be strictly for Standalone use. Note: In order to use a Pimax Crystal Light headset, you need a powerful gaming PC. Nothing cheap about High End Virtual Reality Gaming. Pimax got smart and delivered a legit upgrade at an affordable price. Reason they got my money this year. 😉👌🙋🏻‍♂️🫶

[@Zeieraoh]

quest 3 very good, dont listen to the comments. very good on pcvr and you can bump up the res to 200%

[@williamgorman6064]

Is the bigscreen going to have a wireless option that works with lighthouses?

[@gregblank247]

You didn't talk about configuration. Isnt pimax software buggy or difficult to setup?

[@briank3754]

It has gotten a lot better and most of the bugs were worked out with the original Crystal. I'm sure there are still some bugs, but nowadays you can just put your Crystal on and get into VR hassle free.

[@cerberus0351]

I've had nothing but a horrible experience with the pimax crystal and the needed software. I wouldn't call it difficult to setup, but it's buggy and unreliable. In a 4 hours gaming session today I had it crash more than once an hour. This is pretty much the norm and I've done every possible troubleshooting step you can think of. I also have a quest 3 and I find myself using it 90% of the time because of how miserable the pimax crystal experience is. Hell yeah it looks great when it works, but it's heavy and a bug filled mess. To me the quest 3 looks 85% as good as the crystal and is 10x more comfortable and in a 8 month period I've had no more than 5 total issues with the quest 3. Pimax can kick rocks.

[@vrenthusiast71]

PSVR2 with the upcoming PC adapter seems very interesting. Big Screen Beyond seems great BUT it is too expensive and I don't like the need for a Apple Face Scan.

[@dtz1000]

OLED at such a low price is a definite winner for me.

[@thatstokedgamer]

Yessir. Oled headset under 1000. Lets go!

[@tattoodude8946]

@@dtz1000 I've seen comments of people returning them because the glare is so bad though. I can't say personally since I've never had one, but in my research and shopping, that seems to be a big issue.

[@guidosaur7506]

Honesty l got one very cheap from Facebook marketplace and love it. The tracking is not nearly as good as my index, but the things it does well it does very well. And no waiting for base stations to turn on, fail to pair, and having to restart the PC. It kind of just works

[@Valkron11]

I'll be interested in the Pimax when the 5090's are out 😎

[@highpraise-highcritic]

Why? Current gen can push the headset to amazing visuals.

[@Valkron11]

@@highpraise-highcritic I have a 3090. I usually skip a generation

[@moogleslam]

@@Valkron11 I ordered it with a 2080 Ti. Depending on the title, we can lower render resolution, add upscaling. The picture will still be far superior to Reverb, etc.

[@Valkron11]

@@moogleslam I currently use a Pico 4 with a 3090. I was looking forward to the Pico 5 Max Pro specs until it was canceled. This seems like the next best thing for the price. The 5090 should work well. Being able to play Unreal Engine games and MSFS is primarily what I want

[@dtz1000]

I have a 3070 so I will be getting the psvr2. You can't beat OLED, especially at that price.

[@phreshxmetal]

what about the fixed foveated rendering of the pimax crystal light? im a bit skeptical of this. also, you mentioned a local dimming version, but as far as i can tell on pimax's website they only offer one version

[@gizmo104drives7]

Any word on a big screen beyond 2... cos their first headset was a win.. remove the glare and add inside out tracking and audio next

[@Schwing27]

100%

[@CognosSquare]

Also if it could do full resolution in 90hz without lossy upscaling would be nice.

[@benzyl029]

@@CognosSquare 120hz for that price would be gladly appreaciated.

[@frescula]

They won’t be doing inside out tracking because that will add weight and size

[@hannuhanhi183]

One should also consider the lifetime of OLED which is substantially shorter than QLED, microLED etc. It gets burn in easily which the others don't.

[@SargonDragon]

This is unlikely to be a significant factor in the fast advancing VR industry. Both headsets will be outdated well before the Beyond's OLED panels will wear out. And in practice burn in is very rare for Beyonds to actually experience.

[@hannuhanhi183]

@@SargonDragon Yes, they will be outdated at some point. How fast the panel will get burn ins is to be seen in the future. There are tests performed for TVs and letting them on 24/7 for only 3 months caused clearly visible burn ins in the image. Are you willing to invest 1000USD to be a test dummy?

[@dtz1000]

I had an OLED phone for over ten years and never noticed any degradation of the display. So I think this problem is overblown.

[@hannuhanhi183]

@@dtz1000 Keep in mind that the display is not that often on in a phone. Most of the time the display is off to maximize battery life.

[@dtz1000]

​@@hannuhanhi183 I use my phone a lot more than a VR headset.

[@oneanother1]

Can you compare the psvr2 when it is pcvr ready?

[@emilyclairebells]

I’ve heard the Primix is very heavy! I would love to try both of these with my favorite game atm Freeland.

[@Babbospinazza]

Really great review! Thanks!!!

[@Rosaslav]

I am really interested if audio strap for BigScreen Beyond is better than the one on Pimax Crystal Light

[@liebesmaennchen]

as always! BOTH! :D

[@russ3190]

I'm waiting for crystal super version. Currently using g2

[@gogreengameon2146]

Good shout. There'll be another one in 2 mins. They're like subway trains.

[@pondracek]

@@gogreengameon2146 Every headset you buy will be 'obsolete' within 2 years. The issue with the Crystal Super, is like the 8KX. The amount of software that you can actually run at native resolution even on a 4090 is actually quite limited. (And that headset came out in 2019.)

[@russ3190]

@@gogreengameon2146 haha in 2 mins?

[@tdhitchins]

Noice! Can’t afford that but noice

[@richardnoall3758]

I'm guessing that will be along in the same time frame as the 12k?

[@nedis4]

How do they compare to Quest 3? I use it for sim racing and honestly all I wish for is Quest 3 with OLED displays, DisplayPort and maybe better PPD for ~€700. I wanted to get Primax Light but the reviewers said the due to it's mass it's unstable in racing games and everything jerks around a bit too much.

[@mixedrealityTV]

@@nedis4 both headsets will give you a much sharper picture in VR!

[@idegteke]

It’s just the question of which of your hands you prefer to bite of, basically, right?

[@briank3754]

The Big Screen would be a real winner if you didnt need base stations. I travel frequently and would like a quality small headset. But, by the time you add the base stations you might as well just get the Crystal.

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

Quest 3 will be perfect for you. 😉👌

[@briank3754]

@@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe I've already got one and I can't stand it for PCVR and flight sim. VDXR helps, but I still much prefer a more comfortable and higher performing wired (display port) headset. Quest is fine for Golf and Beat Saber, but for flight sim and racing give me a real headset. I will say the lenses are top notch on the Quest 3.

[@cingkole7893]

just buy used

[@ImmersiveGamer83]

Pimax does not include taxes...so 729 quid In UK it's 919 quid with taxes. I preordered but think you should include taxes in your prices mentioned

[@ilmariylitalo8427]

Taxes vary a lot in different countries and US states, so you just have to do your own calculations as they are impossible to tell if your audience is all over the world. Even EU countries have different VAT % and other customs duties but usually it's the VAT / sales tax that makes a significant bump on the prices.

[@curtisspain8631]

Will the G2’s hand controllers work with the Cristal light?

[@TheXev]

G2's controllers shouldn't work at all. But the G2's controllers do work with other Windows MR headsets. I tried the first gen WMR controllers on the G2, worked fine, and I also tried the G2 controllers on my Dell Visor, and they work fine as long as they are paired to a dongle!

[@danieldwiggins4225]

Thanks for these videos they are super helpful! I was wondering, are there any good options for normal computer use, especially for work/multi-monitor, within steamVR or elsewhere that work well with these headsets? I'm looking into getting a headset but want a great pcvr experience and the ability to use it for work, ideally on my macbook pro, without having to buy two different headsets. Also, can headsets with MR cameras like the XR-4 be used within certain apps for full passthrough like what the Quest 3 is capable of?

[@mixedrealityTV]

I am actually using my Quest 3 for work...and my AVP...cuz pass through is so nice to work with. I will experiment with XR4 more.

[@danieldwiggins4225]

@@mixedrealityTV Gotcha awesome thank you! I'll look out for any content you post on XR4 or others. The Quest 3 looks so great right now and seems to be getting better, and I love the AVP it is just too expensive to justify. The problem is that it feels like we are so close to an ideal headset for what I want, and I can see myself buying the Quest 3 and liking it a lot and then just replacing it with a micro oled headset or even qled headset that does everything a year later

[@lynntatro7374]

Pimax Crystal Super OLED light is what I want to buy.

[@erikwillems3016]

One question... for who is the bigscreen made?

[@ThePape78]

Simracing

[@alphacompton]

Sim people and most likely VRChat crowd who want a headset they can wear for many hours in the day, sleep in, play drinking games in etc. I'm honestly in that crowd but there's too many trade off's I'm not ok with. I mostly use a Quest 3 and Index now but I'll be replacing my Index with the Pimax Crystal Light I recently ordered.

[@brandoncomer6492]

Me. My VR is limited specifically to sit down sims. I don't care about cables, I don't need controllers, I don't need pass-through, and I only need a single base station for head tracking. I don't care about having a big "sweet spot". I do care about visual clarity (to see small numbers on a cockpit) and I do care about is being able to play VR for more than an hour without having a migraine, a cramp in my neck, and being drenched in sweat.

[@BruceWayne-fc9kv]

How about psvr2 with adapter?

[@twig4900]

Very good question! Sebastian??

[@mixedrealityTV]

I will test it out once it's ready! I dint have the highest hopes because of bad lenses and Mura!

[@econoinner_force954]

​​@@mixedrealityTV Mura is nothing and depend of the game. But for confort PSVR2needs to replace by a third party (AliExpress) facecover

[@松本リョウ-g3e]

Thank you for your explanation👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🙂😎😎😎💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻😎

[@mixedrealityTV]

Welcome!

[@tdhitchins]

Why is no one saying that tax has to be added on to the prices quoted on all these YT vids? I really don’t like that move by Pimax!

[@SargonDragon]

That's the way all products work.

[@dtz1000]

They don't mention the tax because it's easier to create hype that way. More hype leads to more sales for Pimax and more affiliate income for KZbinrs. There's no reason for any KZbinr who lives outside of the USA and China not to mention taxes. They are in it together to make as much money as they can out of you.

[@13guns87]

You can't blame pimax. Obviously you have tax added on but it does raise the question why ppl are not saying it's price plus taxes and shipping. Uk it's about £905 total.

[@alphacompton]

The video might be targeted towards Americans. Here in America, literally every taxable product available for sale does not include taxes on the advertised price except for gasoline. Different states and counties have different tax rates to adhere to.

[@NoBaconForYou]

Not all places have sales tax. Oregon for example

[@shenmeowzo]

Nah id go for psvr2 now it works on pc. Oled, and way cheaper than big screen which needs lighthouse and controllers

[@GovernorHS]

Yes, and you can share it.

[@brent4770]

I can't believe Pimax doesn't put the speakers on as default.

[@JPWestmas]

Bigscreen needs to speed things up! Get that audio solution out and offer a better deal for controllers.

[@ThePape78]

In ears

[@slammerf16]

@@ThePape78 Interesting. For VR I usually prefer off-ear as it feels more immersive but I can imagine Bigscreen might want to go for noise-cancelling seeing as their main use case seems to be Movies.

[@ThePape78]

@@slammerf16 yea, it works very well. I use low latency in ears with 2,4ghz usb dongle and i use the Bigscreen only for Simracing

[@technikchegger7228]

Both together

[@DevinWIlson84]

Which one do you use more? I'm guessing bsb.

[@REZZA2020]

Both two of the least proficient companies. Nasty design. Wait for the next wave. Both HMDS look like prototypes. VR deserves far better then this. Value Index II. Varjo Aero 2. HTC VIVE 3

[@RP-jy2xv]

The glare on the Beyond is absolutely unbearable. It's literally like having vaseline on the lower third of the screen, it's nuts.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

Beyond without question. But it has too low fov (and not good enough resolution) so its a no buy from me. Maybe v.2

[@ThePape78]

Aha. Then I should sell my beyond. Thanks for the info😅

[@zizarami3270]

No 120 hz with the Bigscreen Beyond

[@mixedrealityTV]

Yep, that's alright.

[@alkeryn1700]

the biggest issue with the bigscreen beyond is the lenses are terrible.

[@schumiisking]

FOV is no better than index. So what is the point in getting either of these when a quest 3 is half the price of these ??

[@mixedrealityTV]

Resolution, Colors.

[@zizarami3270]

I have the htc vive pro 2 and the quest 3 : HTC vive pro 2 is way sharper than the quest 3. I ordered crystal light because i know it's sharper than the htc vive pro 2

[@killdano]

idk why anyone would consider a 72hz headset for anything but watching movies (what it was made for)

[@mixedrealityTV]

It can do 90hz.

[@Shalashaska111]

​@@mixedrealityTVBut not at 2560x2560. You are down to 1920x1920 at 90hz.

[@pondracek]

@@Shalashaska111 Have you heard of Display Stream Compression? It can do the full resolution 2880x2880x2x120hz for the same reason the new batch of 4k monitors can all support 4k at 240hz over DP1.4. (The crystal light has an equivalent resolution of 4k per eye, so simply halve the 4k framerate and you're correct on bandwidth requirements. If you want the actual math, it's 3840*2160 [4k] = 2880*2880 [Crystal/Light] = 8 294 400 pixels) More importantly, the DP2.1 offered by AMD that people always run to as a counterargument isn't at full bandwidth, has only a 10% advantage over DP 1.4 with DSC, and the cables that support DP2.1 are only 1 meter long, so even if you want to say that visually lossless DSC doesn't count, there is simply no valid alternative today.

[@Shalashaska111]

@@pondracek Read again. I wasn't talking about the Crystal at all. Neither was killdano. The Crystal can indeed do it's full res at it's full framerate.

[@SargonDragon]

It's 75Hz, not 72. And Bigscreen's claim that 75Hz OLED feels like 90Hz LCD turns out to be real in my opinion. Yes, I was surprised, too. I didn't believe it until I saw it. There's an unexpected bonus to that because it looks like 90Hz while only requiring the GPU load of 75Hz. Nobody talks about that, but it's nice!

[@All_Good_Things]

Having to but the lighthouse trackers and controllers for the bigscreen beyond is a major put off for me. They should make a bigscreen beyond with inside - out tracking and bundle in some controllers, all for around the Crystal light price then it would maybe be worth buying

[@whiteandnerdytuba]

Tethered is a deal breaker for either being the best

[@eugenecia9424]

Wegen der Partnerschaft überhaupt kein Interesse. Ich habe gerade mein Vive Pro2 entstaubt, als ich gesehen habe, dass es ein Update auf Steam gibt. Es ist nicht mehr so heiß, ich habe eine sehr gute Partnerschaft Für mich das Minimum. Jetzt verstaubt mein Pico4. Spielen Sie Sim-Racing mit 120 Hertz, was für ein Unterschied zu meinem Pico über USB und WLAN.

[@deliriousvrc5252]

I have the Bigscreen Beyond, but I only play on my Quest 3 because the BS Beyond is really really bad imo.

[@Verociity]

what makes the Beyond worse than the Q3? that's the first time I've heard that.

[@dante9192]

I’m looking for the best PCVR that isn’t a Pimax. I’ve seen horrible customer service experiences from Pimax and it’s a no go for me…

[@dalec2274]

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[@JoshTheFlyGuy]

im a visual person and don't have the base station....pulling the trigger on the Crystal Light even though its heavier.....

[@cingkole7893]

BSB >

[@CrazyAboutVinylRecords]

Crystal Light if you want your headset in 2 to 3 weeks; Bigscreen Beyond if you can wait 5 to 6 months (might be a year by now).

[@brandoncomer6492]

BBs ship in a week

[@bobbymkd457]

The weight is a dealbreaker for me! The Quest 3 wins! (For me)

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

I ❤ my Quest 3. But, I bought one of these to use as my main PCVR headset. It will be Awesome not having to worry about battery life. 😉👌

[@SargonDragon]

The Quest 3 feels like a heavy pig after using the Beyond.

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

@SargonDragon I never had a heavy pig on my face. But, I have a Quest Pro as well. They're both well balanced and feel comfortable to me. I am sure that Big Screen Beyond feels even better seeing how it is customized to the user and is much lighter. I am all for better designs. Only thing with the BSB is the glare. I don't like that.

[@Atrazeal]

I've been waiting for over 10 weeks for my beyond and they are saying it will take until the end of august for my batch, so that's another 4 weeks. It's pathetic. I would order a pimax right now if they weren't doing the same crap and it's not even custom fit. It's a joke if you ask me. Don't sell something unless you have it to sell. I just checked on their official site, they estimate "4-6 weeks" but headsets ordered 2 months ago are "expected" to arrive late august. No I don't want to buy something for $800 so I can get it almost half a year later and I don't even care anymore. I honestly don't even know if I want my bigscreen beyond anymore. I have the quest 3 and the index and I absolutely hate both of them, I was trying to wait for VR to get more advanced so I didn't have to deal with total early iteration garbage that is every VR headset ACTUALLY available today. If I get the bigscreen and its crap I will be selling my headsets and shelfing the entire idea of VR for another 10 years minimum.

[@mosulmedic7048]

The beyond isn't even in the top 10 best VR headsets. It's not great

[@daveunknown3799]

must be nice to be rich !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@BeanVIII]

both have awful FOV. VR will never succeed until they get close 200 FOV

[@richardnoall3758]

@@adrenalinejunkie3828 I don't think it's ever coming, not with the loss they will make over it from all the trade ins. Otherwise, why introduce the Super?

[@andyakarudolfhessiansack7936]

Better than staring at a flat TV screen.... any day!! VR is insanely amazing! 🎉

[@inceptional]

Yeah, I was blown away by my Rift CV1 one back in the day. Even with the various setup issues having to use the little desktop trackers and such, it was just amazing to experience. But every VR headset I've used since has really disappointed me because the FOV just isn't moving. I've never used a Pimax because they're priced way out of my league and now require a PC that's also far beyond my old setup. I currently have a Quest 3, and it's pretty good, but the FOV is the one thing that stands out as just being so restricting and disappointing. And most VR headsets aren't any better in that regard, unless you want some giant thing on your head that costs a grand and requires a PC that cost three grand and is tethered and so on. So I'm still waiting for that cheap standalone headset that has a much larger FOV. From the time of the CV1 to now, it's starting to feel like an awfully long wait.

[@dtz1000]

​@@inceptionalCV1 was OLED. That may have something to do with why you were blown away by it.

[@1980pitts]

What utter rubbish, you’ve obviously not tried vr, I have the pimax crystal with my 25k rig and it is simply mind blowing with a huge field of view!