Questions, Coffe & Cars #75 // What's a mild hybrid?

This is a Motormouth couple car video answering your questions from Instagram, like: Does my Kia need premium gas? Is turbo lag a thing of the past? Dodge Durango V8 for towing? Reliability of VW Atlas? Will CX-5 be updated soon? When will Hyundai Palisade be updated? Difference between mild and true hybrid? Does USB A and USB c make a difference?
Andrea Instagram / motormouth_andrea
Zack Instagram / motormouth_auto
0:00 Intro
0:33 Does my Kia need premium gas?
2:43 Will CX-5 be updated soon?
4:19 Does USB A and USB c make a difference?
6:49 Difference between mild and true hybrid?
9:39 When will Hyundai Palisade be updated?
11:46 Reliability of VW Atlas?
13:14 Dodge Durango V8 for towing?
15:54 Is turbo lag a thing of the past?

[@HJugad-nr1ly]

There are two methods to determine octane ratings: Research Octane Number (RON) and Motor Octane Number (MON). RON always gives higher number than MON so in North America we take an average of the two. You will see on gas pumps octane number defined as (R+M)/2. A 87 octane rating by (R+M)/2 method is the same as 91 (RON) research. So when KIA mentions 91 RON it is same as 87 regular.

[@IntrepidRobot]

Thank you for this detail!

[@jaywhy2016]

That was my first though too. Someone probably got RON and Octane mixed up. BTW, when I had my Focus ST, it said it runs on 87 octane, but it night and day difference in drivability when I ran 91 octane

[@GlennLaycock]

@@jaywhy2016 change brands too - find out if another refinery is supplying your area. The price different is substantial so if there's a way to keep the car to spec and have it be happy it is a good thing.

[@jaybou007]

A dealership misinforming clients? Woah, you don’t say…

[@gabrieliacoboni6951]

This!!!

[@tocreatee5736]

some KIA dealer refuse to honor the 100,000 mile warranty.

[@Dreamer10888]

Lolz

[@robertt9342]

@@tocreatee5736. For sure, but That’s a bit vague. Some dealers probably like the money a warranty claim it brings in.

[@robertt9342]

Is it purposeful or ignorance? What’s the motivation for the dealer to misinform the owner about which fuel to use?

[@reidd6572]

Congrats on the sort-of monumental 75th Episode! ;). BTW, you guys are awesome to actually take the time to contact KIA about the 91 Octane question and get the qeustion straight! Thanks for your reliable and well researched answers.

[@edwardpenny4859]

I find it crazy people will not buy a vehicle because it doesn’t have wireless CarPlay or android auto. I would take reliability over anything.

[@alvinsimba734]

People are like that are the main reason why reliability has tanked .

[@matthewliuliu666]

I Think that is so stupid to think it is a deal breaker without wireless CarPlay, if you can’t spend $60 to buy a wireless adapter, then maybe you can’t afford to drive,my car doesn’t not have wireless CarPlay, but I am very happy with a wireless adapter, works great, and I don’t regret spending extra money on it, 😂

[@whyallthefuss201]

When I get in my car, I plug in my iPhone to charge it while I'm driving and at the same time, the iPhone connects to Apple CarPlay. The people who complain about Hyundai/Kia (or any make) not having "wireless" must never charge their phones while in their cars.

[@alvinsimba734]

@@whyallthefuss201 people are lazy that’s why

[@tanayvasavada]

Thank you for your judgment, no one was asking for it.

[@sanwar1]

PSA: Don't pay thousands more just to have wireless carplay/auto! Dongle works perfectly fine and costs like $50 on amazon. In my CX-30, It just stays connected in my center storage cubby completely out of sight and out of mind.

[@beachbumis]

Owned a 2018 Atlas for 5 years and traded it on a used 2023 Atlas. No issues with the 2018 and after 2 months with the 2023 no issues. We got a higher trim with more technology and love the interior space the Atlas provides.

[@stuntmonkey00]

If it's "premium recommended" or "87 or higher" that probably means that the engine is tuned (higher combustion pressures) for the higher octane and is relying on the anti-knock to run at 87. There's power on the spec sheet and there's what's actually going on in real world driving, like the ECU pulling timing etc etc. For the most part, everyday commute we don't worry about this as much as we used to.

[@wetzel82]

After using both my moms Kia sorento with (Wireless apple carplay) and My kia forte with (wired apple carplay) I actually think the wired one has a tendacy to stay connected way better than the wireless which drops every 30 seconds 😂.

[@Roadbunny777]

I've been driving the Seltos SX turbo since 2020. Thanks again for your reviews. I only used regular fuel ⛽️ since then and have no issues with it. Great car

[@Mrnovanova]

I asked that question 2 months ago. I'm so glad you caught it. Mild hybrid is such a confusing term.

[@solderbuff]

I feel like it's just a marketing gimmick.

[@Mrnovanova]

@@solderbuff 💯

[@damienwallis7921]

Love your work guys!

[@dantherrien6244]

I own a 2023 Atlas type R, awesome suv, no problems & issues, love it ! Especially the V6 !

[@kellingtonlink956]

Thanks for another great episode. I’m a fan of the Durango too. Cheers.

[@miked8121]

There are actually 3 octane numbers: Research Octane, Motor Octane, and (R+M)/2. For regular fuel, research is typically 91, motor is 83, and (R+M)/2 is 87. The number on the pump at the gas station is (R+M)/2 which equals 87 although the research number in the calculation in 91. It can be confusing.

[@Stewbular]

Boy, I hope VW in particular & German cars in general have gotten better over the last 25 years I gave up on German cars a long time ago I was shocked that our beloved Motormouths love & buy German cars But I understand your tactics. Just like another car KZbinr who loves Minis; you lease til the warranty is up then turn the car in. I’ve never leased a vehicle in my 56 years of driving I’m one of those guys that keeps vehicles til the engine drops in the road. Both the 2007 Honda Fit & 2011 Tacoma in my drive way are still going strong It was my girlfriends 1999 Beatle that soured me Plastic window crank broke in my hand. The back side of Plastic splash guard dropped, luckily I carried the 12lb Victorinox to remove it Those stand out in my mind On the other hand it drove like a sports car on North Carolina mountain roads Except for a 1971 Beetle I bought new, most of my vehicles have been Toyotas & Hondas. The only American vehicle I owned was a 1956 Chevy truck I restored. My 1975 Land Cruiser is the only vehicle I have dreams about. The Damn’ thing could climb a tree

[@nom9525]

It‘s crazyy how different VW is in North America! In Europe (and Switzerland) VW is so popular and all people i know are all happy with their VW (and reliability is seen as great)…thanks for the informative video :) i hope u get the new Tiguan soon, it‘s brilliant!

[@solderbuff]

I wonder if it's related to bigger distances in NA. Here, in Canada, *many* people drive their cars till 200-300K km. Is it the same in the EU/Switzerland?

[@cicada9471]

Most of the VWs over here are built in Mexico and they're not known for building anything with quality and reliability. VW should give up building vehicles there.

[@nom9525]

@@solderbuff It could bi the reason, as Cicada mentioned, that most VW in north america are made in Mexico & yes here in EU and Switzerland (at least to my knowledge) a lot of people use their VW a long time …

[@lcronk8409]

Thanks for addressing the MHEV issue and demystifying it for folks. The newer LR Defenders (with the P400 MHEV) use the mild hybrid to run an ‘electronic supercharger’ which is essentially only there to offset the turbo-lag on the 6 cylinder engine, yet they are still sometimes referred to as ‘electric vehicles’ in the advertising. It would be better for consumers if there was an easily accessible and trustworthy standard for understanding the differences between MHEV, vs Hybrid, vs PHEV, vs BEV’s, so folks could inoculate them selves against misinformation when shopping for newer vehicles with these technologies.

[@michaelgarvin8621]

You guys are spot on 👍. I drive a 2022 Hyundai Sonata SEL plus with the 1.6 turbo and I use regular fuel and have not had any issues for the past 2 years. Shame on the dealership for giving misinformation 👎. Great review!!🙂🙂

[@JMotorCity]

I have a 2025 Atlas Cross Sport and love it. It did have a bad carnet modual which has been fixed. No other issues. Great vehicle.

[@leftcoaster67]

I have 2015 VW Jetta, it was supposed to middling reliability. And it's been solid.

[@Mrnovanova]

The dilemma between wired and wireless AU is that wired charges your battery all the time, leading to battery degradation. Wireless kills your battery, leading to battery degradation. It does provide convenience though.

[@vicslick2616]

We purchased 2023 Kia Sportage Hybrid. Owners manual says to use Top Tier gasoline, to prevent knocking. Nothing about Octane

[@lm205]

I'm going to pick up one of those Durangos and turn it into a work truck, rip out the rear seats if they don't fold completely flat. I'll get rid of the aluminum wheels and put steel with larger sidewall tires because I do a lot of driving on rough roads, have broken some aluminum rims. Add a trans cooler and metal roof rack for ladders and materials. This will do for a few years until I retire, maybe five years, depending on the economy. Then bolt a roots blower on it for kicks on my way to the early morning old man coffee meet-up.

[@ccroy2001]

usb-c and usb-a each have standards they were developed to. Usb-c ports can actually deliver more power than usb-A ports, which is why your device charges faster on a usb-c vs. a usb-a port. Unfortunately usb standards are a bit of a mess, but generally usb-c ports have higher power ratings than usb-A.

[@GeorgeZYC]

North america uses AKI instead of RON everywhere else in the world. AKI 87 is equivalent to RON91.

[@detourexplore6615]

These owners manuals are North America specific, so the RON value shouldn’t be mentioned in it causing this Needless confusion.

[@bluetocop]

i bought the rav 4 hybrid thanks its great

[@jimallen6330]

Always interesting discussions around hybrids. It seems like there are many technologies out there and most are always under revision to make them better. I chose to purchase a Mazda CX-50 (no hybrid) and also just ordered an Ford F350 Super Duty diesel. I’m hopeful both will last many years to give the technology and required infrastructure time to catch up..

[@Ulvaeus]

I own a 2018 VW Gti in Vancouver. Flawlessly reliable after 6 years. I take very good care of it. I’ve owned 3 Hondas prior, all of which had issues.

[@solderbuff]

What issues with Hondas? I've heard they have flawed electronics.

[@Ulvaeus]

@@solderbuff electronics, easily worn out plastics (fit and finish), and in one case i had to replace the engine! Maybe i got unlucky.

[@solderbuff]

@@Ulvaeus , wow, even the engine! Did you own them from new? I'm thinking, maybe, previous owners didn't do proper maintenance.

[@solderbuff]

As for VW, I've heard they are reliable as long as you strictly follow the maintenance schedule.

[@desai729]

Not sure why people have questions about the VW reliability. I drove 2018 Altas till 90000 miles and traded it with 2024 Atlas. I spent $0 extra on 2018 model other than oil changes, break pads and tire replacements.

[@matthewliuliu666]

Not too many people as lucky as you, you car doesn’t have problems doesn’t mean anything, even Lexus and Toyota have lemon cars, and everyone thinks they make better cars

[@simonleung9396]

Isn't reliability a long term question? I feel like a lease of a few years isn't a true indicator.

[@marctessier8991]

Any bets they got a little frisky right after finishing this video? Great stuff! 😂

[@billurban1581]

Turbo lag effect is eliminated in my Volvo PHEV. The motor instantaneously adds 228 lb ft of torque when I put my right foot down.

[@witsendcottage595]

Can't wait for the upcoming mx 5 review.yummy.

[@pravinmishra6441]

In which car you guys recording? I love its panaromic sunroof

[@tajhagrady4055]

See yeah the dealership told Me to use premium as well for my Kia Seltos SX, But when I called Kia themselves, they told me to use unleaded. Either way I still had jerking problems which most seltos owners were having the same problem so I got rid of it.

[@batmore1]

I absolutely love you two and I know you are never wrong BUT, the Durango was based on the GLS not the GLE. You are still both the greatest!

[@bobbbobb4663]

You’ve got it backwards…the GLS is a derivative platform of the GLE. The GLS is S Class in name only.

[@SpyderRichard]

To dongle or not to dongle, THAT is the question! Inquiring minds want to know!! LOL! Cheers!

[@truckercowboyed2638]

Inquiring*

[@john335i]

There is a difference between recommended and required when it comes to gas octane. Think of recommended as a suggestion and nothing more. Some engines, specifically with high compression turbos require 91 octane.

[@mikeaiken4330]

The Hemi V8 is still available in the Durango thru 2024... in the U.S. at least.

[@jeffer1101]

Regarding the first question about fuel, listen to the engine under load (although you do need to know what to listen for). For example, driving in town, slight incline up a hill without the transmission "downshifting". The engine will be put under a decent amount of load. If you start to hear pinging, use a better fuel. If you don't, you can use the regular gas. My previous car (2012 Kia Rio5) recommended regular unleaded, but would start to ping under load (sample scenario above). This causes the engine computer to retard to the timing to prevent any damage to the engine long term. I didn't want to risk any issues, but I also didn't like how it performed that way as it cuts power and reduces fuel economy when it does that. I put premium gas in it the whole time I owned it and it ran great the entire time. My current vehicles run fine on regular gas so we just use that.

[@abonnie1]

Thank you

[@nahanni2k]

Except the stinger gt elite.

[@sevenflashowls]

A warranty or extended warranty is nice. But when that car spends a lot of time getting towed or at the shop for repairs that’s the problem with poor reliability. Poor reliability is inconvenient at best.

[@Bitcoin_Gold]

I love my Samsung Galaxy Fold 5 which of course uses type C and yes Type C is way to go. My PC laptop uses Type C to charge

[@user-ph1zf3hy7k]

I’m torn between getting the golf gti ad the R. Love the power and awd, but the gti is good. I’m afraid I might regret not getting the R. The last year of the manual so looking at getting one. How do you like the GTI?

[@Motormouth...]

GTI is wonderful! For us, this isn't our only car, just a fun runaround. If it were our daily driver then the AWD and extra power would be great but for us that isn't the case. If you can afford the R you will never regret it. The colour choices on the R are pathetic and I miss the fog lamps but you have to be okay with that.

[@JTR253]

They skipped over the Grand Highlander vs CX-90 but aside from the Toyota premium, the Grand Highlander probably has the true third row unlike a mother in law CX-90. Lexus does the space disappearing act as well but this is is what I like about Toyotas where they are generally very well proportioned for interior volume. I like Mazdas and generally recommend them but I hate how they proportion the volume with how the doors are set up which dig into my arms. Toyota doesn’t have that problem and neither does my Forester which is like a giant greenhouse.

[@frankkeel8410]

My Maverick hybrid is superb! 40 plus mpg compared to the all gas at 20 mpg. If and when a full hybrid comes to fruition i will pass. .

[@msm2277]

Hi folks, You got excited about the hybrid systems and didn’t answer the question related to the price of the Grand Highlander compared to the Mazda CX90

[@foxlake6750]

Look it up….

[@trippinwithdumas1382]

Iwas this close to trading my cx30 for a sweet 2017 Macan... It was 24 hours away from being wholsaled. They offered me a great price on the 2017 red GTS optioned. Didn't do it.

[@Mrnovanova]

My Lexus NX350h has 85 struck out on the gas door panel. So 87 or above and 91 recommended. I put 91, but if I'm in a pinch, I'll throw in 87 no problem.

[@realdeal8607]

Don’t waste your money on 91

[@mj8495]

Use only TopTier gas 87 octane

[@frankkeel8410]

One of my rides i box regular and high test gas . There is not much difference in performance

[@Bunkysworkshop]

We are thinking of a Toyota Camry. We have been told they have a four and a six cylinder engines. What one would you recommend and why?

[@johnmartin7158]

NZ won’t be stocking the Camry anymore, that’s at least what one of the Toyota dealer told me. Prius and Camry are very poor sellers here.

[@louism8217]

Midgrade gas is 100% gouge gas. It is a 50/50 blend of premium and regular, yet around here is only 5 cents cheaper than premium.

[@AndrewTSq]

My Audi A3 is mild hybrid. I do not think it does any difference to either performance, nor fuel economy. No idea why they even put the system in the car. The only thing you notice in the car that saves fuel, is when crusing and the engine shut down 2 cylinders.

[@joes3689]

You can still turn your steering wheel if the vehicle goes into auto stop/start mode. 😊

[@techpappee]

Toyota Hybrid Max is mild hybrid as well (I thought). Uses electricity to increase power instead of fuel economy. Their non Max is for fuel economy.

[@bandkadams8897]

I had horrible reliability problems with our VW Passat, including during the four-year warranty period (too many to list). I (we) regret the purchase. When we bought it, I thought, They must have good quality to offer a four-year warranty - NOT TRUE. We kept it too long thinking things would improve and to stay with our car rotation plan. The only person sorry we got rid of it was our mechanic. I actually called him to say we sold it and he needed to revise his revenue projections. Too many plastic parts right next to the engine (2 dip stick replacements because they were plastic, and many more parts), 2 water pump replacements in under 75k miles (plastic impeller), no after market parts ($99 radiator hose). I know two others with similar experience. VW has great marketing, and horrible engineering/quality. Oh, and they cheat on emissions standard reporting. My first VW purchase will be my last VW purchase. Kimball Adams

[@steelheader2543]

I never understand why people care about the difference in price when in comes to the difference between regular and premium fuel. It’s usually 30-40 cents more for premium fuel….on a 20 gallons that’s only $6-8 more per tank. With what it costs to purchase a vehicle I think it’s a small price to always use premium fuel.

[@ngoalpo]

Android is the superior product! Thank you for settling it Zack! 😅👍👏

[@realdeal8607]

I see that Zack read my comment some videos ago.😕

[@bassandtrebleclef]

A shame we never got a crack at a hybrid with a V8!

[@realdeal8607]

Old Cadillac Escalades and the Chevy/GM counterparts has a mild hybrid V8

[@alexanderh.999]

To that first viewer who plans on keeping that Kia for a longtime. Good luck 😂

[@rubinixcube8866]

USB-C should charge significantly faster than USB-A so long as the device AND the USB-C cable supports it, and it’s USB-C at both ends (and when charging at home, your power adapter supports it too). It’s not very noticeable for most Apple devices however. Of course, if the car’s USB-C power delivery is low, then it won’t charge fast either. So much for standardization!

[@rubinixcube8866]

@tttdolph it’s a physical connector and also a standard. If properly equipped, USB-C can deliver up to 100watts of power, which can power most laptops. USB-A connectors and cables deliver significantly less power, even if one end is USB-C.

[@clintonsmurf6496]

It’s the wall plug that gives the amps out. For iPad or iPhone max phones you’d want 3amp but it doesn’t necessarily mean the car companies are outputting that from the car connections. From wall worts you’ll see outputs of 1.5, 2.3 amps as well

[@davidskinner1046]

Zack , you are incorrect the Durango is available with the V8 Hemi and Hellcat engine thru 2025! Stelantis confirmed this earlier this week!

[@kcpncfs9234]

traded a crosstrek for a Seltos?......what !?

[@realdeal8607]

Agreed. TERRIBLE decision and Seltos has turbo and other mechanical problems.

[@davidskinner1046]

The V8 Durango lives thru 2025 with no e torque! The only model they are cutting for 2025 is the V8. 392

[@randyp9491]

The Atlas was on my short list but the interior was sooooo ugly. Dream suv would be Yukon but too expensive so I bought a 24 telluride

[@calebwany8422]

Coffe

[@josephpanozzo4815]

Usually, sports and luxury vehicles require premium gas. Mainstream vehicles should run fine on regular gas.

[@dystopia-usa]

Even if you don't use premium gas, you should still only buy gas from "top tier" rated providers (regular or premium), otherwise you are just asking for a carbon-sludge clogged engine even faster than normal, most especially with the boom of pure GDI (direct-injection) engines that don't also include port-injection in the design. Also, turbo engines that don't use premium, regardless, are also asking for carbon-sludge buildup & problems down the road (plus you should change their oil every 3K miles in a turbo engine).

[@Ryan-cf6lc]

I wanna badongo with a hemi V8.😂

[@gurpreetchahal9663]

Wireless carplay or android auto dont give u music quality at best and don't charge your phone.

[@S.L.S-407]

I don't know what the taxes are, in the province you are in, but I can tell you that in Ontario you have to add 13% to each purchase. For example when you said in one of your videos that the Toyota Corolla Cross was $ 30, 295. the full price in ON would be $ 34,233. That price would be a cash price. If you went the financing route, which Toyota has interest at 6.99% for 6 years, that car would end up costing you $ 42,000+. So you could end up paying $42,000 + . for a car that has an MSRP of $ 27,650. A car that you did not add one single accessory onto. It's the BASIC MODEL. My question is, since when did it become acceptable to believe that a SUBCOMPACT SUV like the Cross really has an MSRP of $27,650. ( as of April 12, 2024 and that the manufacturer isn't making up FAKE MSRP NUMBERS based on what they think the market will bear ?

[@thomobrien1854]

Regular, mid grade or high test? It all burns up and explodes when the Kia catches on fire! 😂

[@kenphillips7594]

Don't waste your money? A good friend tested 91, 95 an 98 octane here in Australia and found, over four tank fulls of each, that his cost per kilometre was roughly the same for all three. Yes, 95 is more expensive per litre than 91 but it gave a few more kilometres per litre.

[@MrMuchachos75]

Dont have instagram, so hopefully someone will see this. Im debating getting a accord touring hybrid or camry xle v6 since its going away I realize they are different cars, but can anyone share some thoughts? Thx

[@realdeal8607]

Both cars are pretty solid. Current Accords are a rare breed because they’re so expensive. I believe the Camry XLE has 360 camera. Just note that the 2025 Camry may affect the resale of the current Camry since it will be an old model.

[@blackwater2100]

We’ve had a 2019 Accord touring hybrid since new and the car has been bulletproof and surprisingly fun to drive. No regrets here and a great commuter mileage wise.

[@waynegallo7002]

Not true I use 89 octane in my 2024 Accord Touring Hybrid and I get better mileage per gallon and have a Hyundai Palisade 2020 Limited 4 wheel drive use 89 octane on a highway trip get 29 to 34 miles per gallon depending on my speed.

[@charlesdang4670]

If you use 93 octane your car will run better.. you will feel sportier.. 87 will get you there... Eventually.. 😅

[@10OF9OFBORG]

Speaking of Turbo. I use to don’t like turbo because it’s waste of gas and it’s required more maintaining than non-turbo engine. Now I have hybrid with turbo because that’s only standard for my new vehicle. Great show Andrea.

[@ihop4no14]

What is a mild hybrid? It's a weak attempt by the auto manufacturers to meet mandates regarding at least SOME components of the vehicle help safe fuel. Simply put, it's when the engine shuts off while you're idling at a traffic light.

[@clintonsmurf6496]

VW to me is synonymous with oil leak, black tailpipes. I will be thankful once there are more VW EV on the roads and won’t almost pass out from smelling the fumes in rush hour traffic. My guess is owners have no idea they are smoking out people behind them Mild hybrid to me means they don’t know how to properly do true hybrid like Toyota. I think Toyota is on their 5th gen while others are on 1st or 2nd. Each gen usually comes out every 5 years When I went to Taiwan, their octane gas starts at like 94 as their lowest. Why do we in North America get 87 as the lowest and dirtiest

[@solderbuff]

Taiwan probably uses a different octane number standard. 5th gen hybrid in Toyota is just a marketing term. Even the Car Care Nut admitted it's just "4.5 gen". Nothing prevents other manufacturers learning from Toyota. Moreover, Toyota, Honda and Mazda use VERY different hybrid setups, so they are not even directly comparable.

[@clintonsmurf6496]

@@solderbuff your prob correct about the different gas rating. Not sure why Mazda and Volvo do mild hybrid. Gas savings seems like would be negligible. Just gives boost upon rolling start. So Toyota is much better. More efficient, less lag, less noticeable transitions when compared to other companies. Others seem almost amateur in comparison

[@X2p5423videolover]

Premium fuel ⛽️ for Kia/ Hyundai.😮. I believe Lexus/ Acura doesn't need premium gas. Jack, probably probably Canadian dealers are more polite. We have real evils runs 😈 car dealerships in U.S. Only exception may be Subaru. Honda is the same. Toyota is not far off. 😢

[@GlennLaycock]

oh no - everyone think of a reason to talk about dongles - Kia and Hyundai have spoiled the game now

[@jayshahu]

What is a mild racist?

[@jamespaul2587]

What was your joke, Zack? Andrea didn't want a dongle, but she married one anyway? 😊

[@levigato125]

Stop interrupting Andrea.

[@johnmartin7158]

Be nice.

[@realdeal8607]

Seltos is garbage. Feel sorry for the fella that got it.

[@torturedsoul8066]

What is a mild hybrid? I know. I know. It is a car that offers little in way of performance improvements for being a hybrid but at the same time it ties a huge repair bill to it at some point in the future forcing people to buy new instead of used. It will also usher in the decline of civilized society as people will do anything to feed their families. Morals do not apply when your kids are starving. So to take those morals away corporations want you starving and that is probably what is going to happen. Trump is not smart enough to fix it and those that are... won't.

[@cbeech1631]

That was the dumbest comment in internet history. Congratulations!

[@johnmartin7158]

@@cbeech1631✅💯