Questions, Coffee & cars #57 // Rust proofing!

This is a Motormouth couple car video answering your questions from Instagram, like: What are your thoughts on the Hyundai Santa Fe? Why don't BMW and Mercedes make pure hybrids? Will a PHEV cold start effect the engine? BMW X5 or Porsche Cayenne? Mercedes GLB or Audi Q3? BMW M Active suspension or standard suspension? Best insurance for me and my car? Ford Galaxy or Mercedes GLB? can you rust-proof an EV?
Andrea Instagram / motormouth_andrea
Zack Instagram / motormouth_auto
0:00 Intro
0:30 Can you rust proof an EV?
4:35 Ford Galaxy or Mercedes GLB?
5:49 Best insurance for me and my car?
7:26 BMW M Active suspension or standard suspension?
10:13 Mercedes GLB or Audi Q3?
11:18 BMW X5 or Porsche Cayenne?
13:13 Will a PHEV cold start effect the engine?
14:45 What are your thoughts on the Hyundai Santa Fe?
16:27 Why don't BMW and Mercedes make pure hybrids?

[@skykingusa]

Just wanted to tell you how much I love the show and how refreshing it is to see fellow Canadians talk about cars. Besides nationality, I find the topics always relevant and interesting too, which can sometimes be tough to find these days on KZbin. I'm a Canadian living in the Los Angeles area and sometimes miss my Canadian brothers' and sisters' accents and looks. Glad you're doing what you're doing and keep up the great work!

[@samynatour2304]

😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@RustyNutsGarage]

Yes! Ford Flex and Land Rover had a baby - The 2024 Santa Fe.

[@kwilliams1958]

True!

[@jonclassical2024]

I follow about 30 different automotive KZbin channels...you guys are in the top 3% for quality and enjoyability...Cheers!

[@andreaspencer9813]

That's really kind of you to say, thank you!

[@martifilipponi1024]

I used to sell a lot of rust proofing as an add-on when I sold Toyotas ironically there was a page in the warranty book that told you NOT to get rust proofing. One the main reasons is that when the rust proofing when sprayed in the doors it can clog the weep holes at the bottom of the door, and water will lay at the bottom of the door and not drain.. also water can get trapped in between the rust proofing under the metal and create rust

[@steveogilvie5203]

Oil rustproofing does not clog the weep holes.

[@martifilipponi1024]

Gotcha 👍 but some of the asphalt based undercoating when it peels, and bubbles will trap water

[@steveogilvie5203]

And that is why I never use those products. They are not better than doing nothing.@@martifilipponi1024

[@myronyoshioka8742]

Another great video....Great Job

[@alanhall7213]

I would be very wary of VW Canada warranty. My experience is that they look very carefully at any small print that will get them out of covering a warranty claim. Love the Gti ... Less so the company.

[@404notfound.....]

The dealership says this because by the time the rust starts your out of warranty by time or mileage. My F150 & suv have been sprayed by krown since new & not one rust spot. Lol the Ford galaxy has not been in Canada since the mid 70's 😅

[@heatherireland2810]

Ford Galaxy was popular in the 60s. Available in 🇨🇦. Hubby is restoring a ‘64 2 door hardtop.

[@barrywiseman7012]

Growing up my Dad had a 1963 Ford Galaxie 500 XL convertible. Two tone paint (red& white), wheel spinners. Quite spiffy I thought as a 14 yo.

[@rogerw1521]

Thanks for doing the show on a freezing cold day

[@kellingtonlink956]

I absolutely agree about the Ford Flex. I rented a loaded black/silver ‘Platinum’ one (with the better power plant), it was one of my biggest surprises. It was fast, handled and was exceptionally comfortable/spacious. It was a vehicle that had ‘love it/hate it’ looks, but it was a vehicle that needed to be experienced (a proper test drive). Very overlooked. Though now… when I see one, it was clearly evident that Ford wasn’t investing enough into ‘rust proofing’. As for the Santa Fe? It looks damn sharp! But now every time I see one… I’ll see a Ford Flex (thanks Zack). Great episode, as always.

[@louism8217]

Gap insurance is far cheaper from an insurance company than through a dealership. If you get this insurance in Ontario I highly recommend getting it through insurance, which also allows you to move to another brand unlike the GAP through a dealership.

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

YES. Almost always the dealer gap coverage is a rip-off!

[@batmore1]

Sorry you guys were cold while filming. You may know that a gas car's heater uses heat from the engine. When you turn the car's engine off, the engine is still hot. So you can activate your car heater in accessory mode and the residual hot air from the engine will blow out of the vents even with the engine turned off. Mercedes actually will do this without turning on the accessory mode, instead you just push the 'rest' button and heat fills the cabin while parked. Love you guys and your awesome reviews!

[@gizmocatz3478]

Hi Guys, I like that information on the rust proofing and I would love to see in person that new Hyundai santa fe. As always thanks for all the info. I also live here in the lower mainland and was it ever cold at -9 during the day and -16 at night. Great show and Thanks very much.

[@maribethkeitz8021]

I was wondering how you were keeping warm 😂. TY for QCC!

[@kellingtonlink956]

Worthy of note, the Ford Galaxy is a UK commuter vehicle. The Ford ‘Galaxie’ 500 was the legendary American motorcar (understandingly, my Vet still can’t get the proper spelling right of my Cat!). Thanks for the video.

[@kellingtonlink956]

Agreed. That would be a significant leap in many ways… actually, in almost every way.

[@Subie-Driver]

I like your car wash comments. I use the DIY power wash place. I spray all the dirt off the car first time around. I then take that dreaded brush, use the power washer and spray the brush removing any possible road crap that may be stuck in the bristles and then go over the entire car. Never had a problem with it. It’s really no different than what I do at home… snow foam the car, spray it off then use a micro fibre towel to wash down the car. If you are careful and do it right…now problems. My don’t is never take a car through a car wash with the twirling brushes…😮. You have no control there.

[@h8rry]

GM Chevy Volt PHEV is way ahead of it's time over 10 years ago. Too bad they drop this model in 2019. Now PHEV is hot 🔥 now. I happened to owned 2016 Gen 2 Chevy Volt for 5 years now has the best EV range of 85 km(53 mile) that no one yet to match or exceed.

[@benvanmil6761]

Totally agree, I have a late 2019 Premier all boxes checked......best phev ever!

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

Funny that. People much smarter than your average citizen said that the PHEV was the best transition into EVs looooong ago and GM thought people would be smart enough to see the value. If it was any company besides GM, it would've sold like hot cakes.

[@stuntmonkey00]

14:08 My understanding is that the with modern engines the oil pressure is pretty much instant; someone once said that the time it takes you to put on your seat-belt is how long it takes to get oil pressure up, "warming" as we knew it is unnecessary, the best way to warm yup an engine is to just drive slowly with it it under load. However the engine is still in cold-cycle mode because it has to warm up the catalytic converter for emissions, which is why the fast idle lasts for a few minutes or longer in cold weather. With a PHEV, my concern is not if it's warmed up enough, but if the engine has run hot enough for long enough, so that stuff like fuel wash from the direct injectors into the oil is evaporated off, or that moisture in the exhaust is driven away.

[@GlennLaycock]

Coldest day of the year - oh yes, I see the sweaters - OMG I looked like the the Michelin-Man without the head piece on these days driving my sedan. 🙄😅

[@slighwentwalking2024]

....but.....but I used the brush Zack 🤣 baked on love bugs will not come off. Could you settle for emergency use only? I live in Florida and sun protection like window tint really is a must. I get the double takes when I travel out of state...black car (your favorite) with dark windows. ...yeah... black wheels too 🤗 Its a BMW 3 series touring its been a great road car. Thank you for such useful automotive information. I am a happy subscriber.

[@christophercheek8464]

Whimps! Ha, ha! Live in Portland, I am too😊

[@frh-freerangehuman]

Great show guys. I agree about the Santa Fe. I think it’s the best looking car Hyundai has produced but I’m partial to boxes on wheels lol. I had 2 Ford Flexes. An 09 and 13. I loved them both, the 13 had every option available. It was probably the most reliable car I’ve owned. I still mildly regret trading it to down size to my 21 bronco sport badlands (which has so far been just as reliable). Never understood why ford didn’t hype the Flex more and I agree that if they released it now it would do well

[@ARAR148]

I live in northern Illinois in the United States, I found a product that is fantastic for rust-proofing, it's called PB blaster surface shield, which came out a little over a year ago, it sprays on as a wet oily coating, and within a week turns into a light waxy coating that you could actually rub off with your finger, and it's dry, so doesn't make a mess, it is great, not only does it get rid of surface rust where you sprayed it, but it has fully protected the underneath of my car in harsh winter. only $10 a can where i live

[@kittmarie8285]

I wondered why you didn't have on jackets! Haha! Thanks for the show. :)

[@morgandrives]

Excellent question and answer about a PHEV set-up in cold weather, which means in most places in Canada, for people who only drive 5-20 km trips, you should never only drive in EV mode in the winter, about 1/3 or more of the year. Not only does this mean little to no fuel and emissions savings, it means the average driver, who won’t know or pay attention to this information, will be harming an engine, shortening the vehicle’s life, meaning earlier trade-in, meaning buying that PHEV in Canada will be worse for the environment than a normal ice car! Another example of why EVs make no sense in colder climates.

[@ianjay5301]

When I ordered a Prius Prime last fall, they asked if I wanted "their" rustproofing which is a waxy, thick coating they glop all over things that don't need glopping. Naturally, their system is the only thing they recommend (hugely overpriced, btw). Since I keep the body very clean (and I always order white vehicles new) I told them no. I did Krown my 2023 Maverick hybrid because there have been rust issues reported on Mavericks and my regulary Krowned 2008 Ranger is completely rust free (Ontario winters too). I expect I will turn down the overpriced Toyota glop system and Krown it anyway. The holes are not drilled indisriminately by Krown - only into voids where rust can begin. Of course, the Prius may never arrive so the whole issue is quite hypothetical at this juncture.

[@stephenwierzbicki4463]

My Neighbor in North Attleboro MA uses Rustoleum on various locations including the Wheel Wells & parts of his Suspension on his Truck 😊.❤

[@frankkeel8410]

I will rust proof my hybrid Maverick when it ships next week . My last three Fords rusted quickly without it! I Learned my lesson when my 72 el camino rusted the first hear of ownership, so when i purchased my 80 El Camino the first item was rust proofing. No rust ever and sold that 80 SS for a profit.

[@bbennett40]

Your running mother-in-law jokes make me laugh. My father has retired as a motor sports announcer. For the longest time, his thing was mother-in-law jokes. People from all over would send them to him to use. My grandmother thought they all were hilarious. It's all in good fun! :)

[@NelsonGasparDrives]

lol guys. I’m in Winnipeg and it’s -24 here, feels like -30 with windchill. -14 is balmy.

[@dalehuhtala9285]

Last weekend overnight was -42 C here, -56 with windchill...Edmonton. Yay.

[@zoner__]

The Flex was a great design let down by a poor drivetrain. Wonderful seats.

[@TheGbeecher]

I'm age 59, and looking back in time, I don't feel rustproofing is as relevant, in today's world...when I started driving in 1981, rustproofing did really help, more or less...today's 🚗 cars are much better built...😉

[@sao007]

Minus -25 in Québec today without Wind factor 😂😅❤

[@MarkR973]

Have had my Avalon For 12 years, Zack is right just wash it especially if you garage it allot in winter, you should be fine then… now that I said that, hopefully I don’t fall thru the damn thing…

[@cdnstiggy]

Krown and Rust Check only ones that work. Normally if there's a issue with drill holes Krown and Rust Check deal with that part. Its the only reason my 2012 Genesis sedan has no rust issues

[@jessie34h]

What a wonderful couple! I am looking for a reliable 3row mid size suv to ensure that everyone is safe in the vehicle. Vehicles like the Telluride, Honda Pilot even the GMC Acadia are catching my interest. What would you recommend?

[@MarkR973]

Their my favorites and Raiti too…

[@2007MXV]

Oil-based rust proofing (Rustcheck or Krown) changes the colour of the cabling, which impacts emergency services’ ability to save you in a collision (the “no cut” cables). Edmonton, Alberta’s Sublime Surfacing and first off-shoot Honey-Seal of Oakville, Ontario use a permanent wax-based rust proofing that does not impact the cabling. Check them out.

[@kenhoward3512]

I'll never forget seeing a neighbor washing his brand new, shiny *black* car, scrubbing it with a brush (in direct, hot, summer sunlight, no less). He was old enough to know better. It hurt to watch.

[@sandram8761]

"Looked like a hearse" lmaooo 😭😭

[@fl3shgordon]

@motormouth Does your advice about $5M liability insurance still make sense with a an insurer like ICBC (your local insurer where you are) given caps on injury claims?

[@lanky-x782]

Of course OEM's say they rust proof their vehicles. Until the warranty is up. Unfortunately for OEM's I like to keep my car 10+ years and no mfg applied rustproofing will be effective that long in the north east with the acid they put down on our roads. I'm really tired of the dishonesty and lies by ommision these corporations continually spew. Like "lifetime" transmission fluids.

[@JayRay61]

Got to ask… where did you shoot this segment… the weather looks beautiful! 😊

[@andreaspencer9813]

We are in Vancouver

[@TheKDHK]

2024 Corolla cross hybrid vs 2023 Lexus UX250h hybrid -- as 2nd car , thoughts ??? We have 2023 Honda odyssey as family car

[@ricatiman]

Having sold and leased out new cars for many years, I want to warn your customers of leased vehicles - just because you don't own that ride, doesn't mean that you don't have to properly wash and maintain it. Our leasing specialists always carefully check over every lease return for any damage that is beyond "Normal wear and tear". I have seen multiple customers dinged at trade in time for scratches, door dings, curb rash , dirty carpets and upholstery, and worn tyres and brakes... the list is as long as there are systems to criticize in the vehicle.. Unless you are returning a car that has been perfectly maintained, without any visible scratches, dings or dents, and with over 50% tread left on the tyres, the dealer will find things to charge you for. Check your lease - you as the leasee are responsible to maintain the vehicle in exemplary condition at all times.

[@andreaspencer9813]

Oh yes, you have to maintain the vehicle for sure. We have leased many vehicles, they basically go back brand new, we take very good care of them.

[@user-gl4dj5wh9l]

I believe you only lease bmw,merc,audi, and evs. I feel maintenence,car cost, and depreciation are very high

[@smileymac8017]

The foaming brush is good if used properly. High pressure off the gritty dirt first and spray off the brush because you don't know what the last customer used it on. The brush is for the film that usually doesn't come off with just high pressure, unless you wax your car often. If you hand wax your car often then all you need is high pressure.

[@MarkM58]

In the US, insurance and auto financing is regulated by the individual states. In many states, GAP insurance is a required element in a lease. Most lenders leasing the car will have their own GAP included and you have no say so.

[@MarkM58]

??

[@vicp8772]

Hybrids, thats the way to go. Hello Chicago tesla parking lots!

[@robertt9342]

A lot of misunderstanding and misinformation around that.

[@404notfound.....]

Honda pilot hands down!!

[@rampar77]

I don't think they are going to sell anymore EV after that fiasco in Chicago where they couldn't charge and the cold cut down on range. Another is Hertz is going to get rid of all 200,000 Tesla because of high repair cost and no one wanted to rent them

[@littledovecitydust]

You’re fooled by FUD news.

[@vancity2349]

The EV Chicago story is out of context and pushed by the haters. What of course was not said in that was that they left too a very low charge at 5%. Tesla had been in business for a decade so for 10 winters so if it was that bad they would be out of business by now. Nobody wants to rent the Hertz EV's? The Tesla have very high mileage for 2021 80-90,000 miles, obviously they are being rented...

[@alirmortazzavi]

Another great episode. Sorry Andrea I know you like Porsche Cayenne and may be it marginally provides better handling, however the name badge is not worth the additional 10-20k in price over BMW X5. I put the question to Zack back in 2021 and based on his recommendations I bought the X5 over Cayenne, I couldn't be happier with the X5. Most people I know who own a Porsche bought it as symbol of status and not for its handling to the mall and back, just saying

[@andreaspencer9813]

We own two Cayenne's and absolutely love them. Glad you are enjoying your X5, it's another great vehicle.

[@arnolddecarlo558]

Zack what kind of watch are you wearing?

[@Motormouth...]

My new Zenith Pilot

[@brolyvi1211]

Volkswagen voids the warranty when you drill holes. Krown didnt want to drill on my vw.

[@robertt9342]

Good on them for knowing that.

[@Roadbunny777]

Did you guys get your VW yet?

[@andreaspencer9813]

No, still waiting. We just got an update yesterday, it finally arrived in Halifax from Germany so maybe another month.

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

Today's top News: Two Canadian auto reviewers were found freezing today. They were rescued after a crowd of cats surrounded the vehicle they broadcasted from. Don't ask me meow they are doing but evidence points that they survived ... the two reviewers, that is.

[@Cttechexpress]

5 million dollars liability? Typical policies in the US cover $50K/100K, 250/500K or 100K/300K. Nowhere even near a million unless you bought a supplemental umbrella policy.

[@Kiss__Kiss]

lol I was gonna say!!!

[@haroldpayne2527]

Last ford Galaxie 1974

[@timcreelman3540]

Re your comment about sitting in your cold Cayenne doing the show. I have a Macan S and it has the feature to pump residual engine heat into the cabin for 30 minutes while you sit with the engine off. Doesn't your Cayenne have that? It is such an important feature for me in cold Calgary, that I would NEVER buy a vehicle again without it.

[@Motormouth...]

How do you make it work?

[@timcreelman3540]

In my 2025 Macan S, the residual heat feature is part of the "AUTO rest" button@@Motormouth...

[@timcreelman3540]

sorry meant 2015 Macan S!

[@Motormouth...]

@@timcreelman3540 Ours does not have that.

[@canoenut]

Ford Galaxy is same as VW Sharan

[@tylerward6723]

Good show today. As for the insurance on a regular car. As a driver of over 40 years i can honestly say IF you are a good driver 1-2 million is a reasonable amount, 5 million is way to much at least if you live in Calgary (Although Calgary has some seriously bad drivers). If you are a bad driver. Maybe? Definately in Calgary get full coverage of some sort. I always make sure to have a replacement car if your car is in the shop (as long as it is not you that damaged someone else's car) so that you are not put out when your car is being repaired.

[@dalenihiser7766]

As a general rule, manufacturers don't recommend rust proofing yet remain quiet on the subject because they know it's one of the dealership's F&I profit centers. Why would anyone allow a dealer to drill holes in their car thus breaking the bond of the paint and zinc coating to the metal? I have witnessed rust appear at the site of the drilled hole and the manufacturer won't cover it. Also consider this, rustproofing isn't applied by the highest paid mechanic in the shop. It's exactly the opposite. It's usually done by one of the guys from the clean-up bay who waits for the mechanics to go to lunch so they can use the lift to apply the rustproof material. So the customer can't be certain of the competency and training of the person who drilled holes in their car and applied the material. Finally rustproofing your vehicle will bring ZERO dollars in extra trade value especially if a customer is prone to trade every three to five years. Finally just know rust proofing is not listed as a "value-add-on" in Kelly Blue Book, Black Book or JD Power (NADA). Just say "no" to this overpriced dealer add-on.

[@dalenihiser7766]

@Motormouth.0 Hello. What would you like to talk about?

[@dalenihiser7766]

@Motormouth.0 I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with telegram. I guess I'm a bit of a Neanderthal in that respect.

[@XMG3]

The $5 million ICBC coverage is now a waste of money after they introduced the no fault insurance which does not allow the other party to sue you (except for criminal offense such as DUI), so unless you total a Bugatti Mistral (MSRP $5 mil), you're just throwing money away

[@ctclardy]

Most new vehicles today are thoroughly rustproof... if you wish extra peace of mind have a professional detailer detail your car annually and let him/her know your concerns so they can make sure their detailing addresses that concern.

[@lanky-x782]

If you lived where the salt heavily you would not make claims of thorough rustproofing.

[@kenklak]

I thought this was true too. Then I watched South Main Auto's YT channel and saw how a vehicle was lucky to last more than five years. Unbelievable how bad corrosion is in the rust belt.

[@fernandoherranz4095]

Most cars in the midwest where they salt the roads are very at risk for rust and corrosion. Living in Chicago, I can tell you pretty confidently that the better brands might have decent rustproofing, but if you buy certain bargain brands, you're taking a chance at being visited by the rust monster.

[@GR-cd2kx]

If your goal with your vehicle is to keep for a long period of time and to have the least amount of maintenance, I would absolutely buy an EV

[@mannythegoodguy]

It’s a mistake the German’s not offering hybrids.

[@ricatiman]

Tell your Irish viewer to start watching Matt Watson at Car Wow.

[@frankdeboer1347]

To your Ford Galaxy owner I would say that you don't have much knowledge of the various options available to him/her in Europe and that they should themselves research some of the available options.

[@vancity2349]

Hybrids dont seem to make alot of sense are a stop gap temporary solution before full EV is required for new cars. Two propulsion systems, lots of weight and more to go wrong. Often Hybrid owners feel good about one but rarely charge them.

[@Motormouth...]

You don't plug in a hybrid.

[@tinhinnh]

@@Motormouth...😂

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

Rust Check, Krown, Corrosion Free 3000, or Fluid Film are the best types of rust proofing available in Canada. They are all oily type products that will seep into the cracks and crevices where rust starts. Anything that is labelled as "wax" or "rubberized" or "asphalt" type product is absolute garbage that WILL ruin your car. Dealership undercoating at time of purchase is a rip-off. Those electronic "rust prevention modules" are also a rip-off.

[@level7041]

Should I rustproof my mother-in-law?

[@Doc1855]

Hey Zach, Some imposter claimed to be You wanting to “promote your channel “ with Instagram. I blew him off. He didn’t speak like you do

[@andreaspencer9813]

We have a lot of that going on right now.

[@Doc1855]

@@andreaspencer9813 Yep, I caught on right away. The way in which Zach speaks (obviously intelligent), to someone that doesn’t really get American accent? Really?

[@William14094]

Andrea should be on a Bangbus series

[@melvinjacobs2328]

You're to young to remember a Ford Galaxy.

[@Motormouth...]

I love when you talk like that...

[@2007MXV]

Audi Q3 is less than a Mazda CX-5 Signature or GT Turbo. Over-priced German crap by comparison.

[@tillyhatcam]

If you were in an EV , you could have stayed warm the whole time…

[@billurban1581]

Same with my plug in hybrid. Don't forget, a warmd (or cooled) cabin via the phone app, before you go outside.

[@user-vj9hy8dw9e]

Andrea is way too breath taking for these videos, how can anyone even look at the vehicle? I am way too distracted to get anything from this video :) Will I click away? NOPE

[@blipblop92]

Damn yall desperate

[@user-vj9hy8dw9e]

@@blipblop92 Im Married happily, shes gorgeous and was hoping ot make her day or someone laugh. Relax "yall"

[@giovannimassa6780]

never get active suspension you asking for major problems

[@s.patterson5698]

Exact reason why I didn't get the MDX Advance. I simply added the upgrades from the Advance trim that I wanted to the Technology Package. Heard and seen too many problems with air suspension from all manufacturers in general. It doesn't matter how expensive your vehicle is, they all have these chronic issues. I have a friend with a Mercedes and on a regular basis his air suspension goes haywire.

[@BrianJ-oz5tj]

Air suspension can be a problem in winter places too, a friend has a Ram with it, it was at the dealer a lot in the winter under the extended warranty, now with the warranty done he’s going to convert it to the stock suspension. A company in Saskatoon does a thriving business selling conversion kits for Jeeps and Rams with factory air suspension.