Quick and Portable! VMAX VX2 Extreme Electric Scooter!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

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[@kwintendebruyn3738]

You should test the Kukirin G4. It's a 2000W single motor scooter that goes 43mph and it cost only 800 euros / 890 dollars

[@ZachS-f6z]

Is there any way to get Vmax scooters in Australia?

[@yowvil]

I bought my VX2X two weeks ago. All those saying it needs a suspension are missing the point. The VX4 is only slightly more expensive if you want a suspension. But I got the VX2X because I wanted something more portable.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

True! Ramier and I were talking about this yesterday as we were doing the final edits. I really don’t know which one I would pick: VX2 or VX4 because while I Looove the suspension of the VX4 for super long rides, I’ve been enjoying chucking the VX2 Extreme in the trunk to bring it home every day (I’d ride it home but I have a freeway commute across a bridge that doesn’t allow scooters). -Paul

[@chaxologist2024]

For the price point, the VX2 Extreme should've had at least a front spring suspension just like the Segway F2 Pro was to the Segway G2 Max which is a whopping $400 less! I got the Apollo Go instead for that very reason while keeping it lightweight!

[@yowvil]

@@chaxologist2024 The Segway and Apollo don't have the performance and range of VX2 though.

[@chaxologist2024]

@@yowvil Yes but that isn't the point. For the performance especially, adding a front spring suspension would've been a great selling point to get this scooter at this price point while keeping it under 50 pounds!

[@IcloneCharacterCreatorandMore]

Paul, nobody in the world can do scooter reviews as good as you in my opinion I so look forward to them. My dual motor Apollo Go has climbed most Hills for me but I'm a very light no way it could tackle this San Francisco Hill. For me I must have a dual suspension like my Apollo because my lower back just would give me so much problems if I didn't. But I want this scooter haha😂

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

The Go has amazing ride quality for sure, but you're right, I've tried this hill and it was a no-Go. I still absolutely love the Apollo Go. I recently recommended one to a friend and he loves it! -Paul

[@rmiddy439]

VMAX has crazy power

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It really surprised me. The regular VX2 also. -Paul

[@davidvosk8146]

Looks like a great value for sure! VMAX is legit. Great Video

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks! -Paul

[@DaniHorwitz]

A great scooter - wow! And excellent review!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you so much Dani! -Paul

[@berengerchristy6256]

Seems like VMax makes some bangers

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

They do. We were not expecting a new company to come out of the gate so hard last year. But then they’re only new here. They’ve been operating in Europe since 2015. -Paul

[@Matsterious]

You should retest the Segway Max G2 after the recent software update. It's a beast of a scooter now.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Great suggestion! I should do an update video. I re-tested it in the recently and it climbs hills faster now. -Paul

[@JRWilson242]

How is it better? I want one again

[@Matsterious]

@@JRWilson242 the acceleration is ramped way up. There is a mode called boost mode. But even sport mode is way zippier.

[@davidfromdownunder]

As always a great insight Paul, hopefully we'll see a Phantom 2.0 (base & stellar) review / first look soon when Mac, Chris and Eloi send you one. I suspect that won't be to far away, until then stay safe reviewing and take care on those speedy one motor models

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks! I hear rumors we might be getting early access for a first look at the Phantom 2.0 Fingers crossed! -Paul

[@tsdtheskeletondrummer]

Well Paul you made an oops before attempting to start top speed 😂 just remember keep your thumb off of it before getting on.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That’s the crazy thing, I was fully on the scooter! It power wheelies if you’re not standing all the way forward. the front just comes up when the power hits. Later in the video it happens again. -Paul

[@chaxologist2024]

Amazing review, Paul! Now, we have the most powerful lightweight scooter! If the Apollo Go is the Lexus, then the VX2 Extreme is the Mustang of lightweight scooters! I'm still glad I went with the Go for the comfort and ride quality!

[@dannydanny9875]

9:10 that's power!

[@matthewdenham7398]

It’s got some welly that’s for sure

[@Chasem7981]

What is the 0 - 15 time y’all got? It felt like 3 - 3.2 seconds. I didn’t see a reliability score? Golden review!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks so much 3.2s 0 to 15 time Reliability score is 9.5 -Paul

[@Chasem7981]

That’s fkn nuts!! An exceptionally sky high score! I believe it! Thanks Paul!

[@jaybones614]

It would be interesting to see the motor and controller temps after that hill test. Nice vid so far

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I should have looked to see if the app reports it. Most single motor scooters don’t, but it would have been cool to see! -Paul

[@e-scooterguy]

Definitely think the rocker turn signal switch on the pro (and Segway max g2) is better. Just shows that the Segway max G2 could have better peak power and therefore hill climbing, ip rating and rear turn signals. I agree the line up naming can be confusing. They should use that tft display across the line up!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Rocker switches are nice since you don’t need to look down to use them! -Paul

[@e-scooterguy]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide exactly! Safety first! 😀

[@jontrammell7377]

My biggest question concerning all electric scooters is about the motors. Are they proprietary or commercially available units?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Very few are proprietary. I think it’s like car batteries where a small number of factories make the whole world’s supply. The scooter itself is an original design, from what I understand. -Paul

[@scootermatt9394]

Wow, this review is epic! I was thinking about the Ninebot Max, the original G30 or the G30LP, and was kind of even thinking about the Ninebot MAX G2, but I love the idea of more performance and less weight.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for watching Matt! You're always buying more electric scooters, you must have quite a collection by now! -Paul

[@phototristan]

No shocks are a negative on this scooter for sure. I test rode this scooter at the last Rider fest and it's super bumpy.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Was VMAX at Rider Fest? I don’t remember them having a tent. -Paul

[@phototristan]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide They were at the one in Richmond for sure.

[@George_M_]

Hopefully they actually remove that boat next week lol. I lost a back tire inner tube on that stretch, be careful. Probably on me for using off brand tubes and tires but some of the salt spray eroded asphalt rocks are sharp and large.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I’m surprised it’s still there! I test here often but not for very many miles each time. -Paul

[@IDPTheory]

You guys don't have the Kaabo Skywalker on your website. The 8S version is single motor and does 25mph on 8.5" wheels.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

The distributors we get Kaabo scooters from haven’t carried the Skywalker line in a long time so we haven’t tested one it more than 4 years. Thanks for the suggestion! -Paul

[@IDPTheory]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Ah maybe it's a discontinued model.. Keep up the good reviews 👍

[@kurpfalzwutzel]

Hi Paul, what's the name of the street with the steepest hill in San Franciso where you've tested the VX2 Extreme?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It’s 22nd st between Church and Vicksburg. There are a couple “steepest” hills in SF. This one ties another one. There are a couple which actually have steeper inclines, but it’s for the length of like two houses. Not a legit full block. -Paul

[@kurpfalzwutzel]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank's a lot! This extremely steep street is officially listed with 31.5% incline which is a very impressive number. The very steepest hill in SF is claimed to be Bradford above Tompkins with an insane 41% grade...BTW: May I ask what's your "ready to drive weight"? I guess around 80 kg which would perfectly match the specification of the VX2 Extreme which claims a hill climbing ability of 33% for an average driver's weight. BR from one of the "greatest" hill climbing scooter testers in Germany!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes, I’m 75kg without gear, so about 80kg fully outfitted. -Paul

[@TheSpanishInquisition87]

Nice scooter. It's hard to believe that it made it up such a steep grade. This looks like a really practical scooter for everyday use. ESG always does a great job! I love hyper-scooters as much as anyone, but most people are looking for cheap dependable transportation. I love reviews for scooters at lower price points, because it helps me to reccomend scooters to people who are thinking about getting their first scooter.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you so much. The next review I’m working on is for you then. It’s less than $350! -Paul

[@TheSpanishInquisition87]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Perfect!

[@iansean]

I need to see a Big Dog test of this one on the hill!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It won’t climb this hill with Ramier on board, but it will climb our standard hill. In this video below, Ramier and I both ride the VX2 Pro GT on the ESG test hill. -Paul kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqKtqqyNmr6YiqMsi=6JyaNPj9WtejH5nr

[@andrewc.5757]

Man thats the cleanest looking display on a scooter I've seen, great video guys! Have you tried riding a Kukirin G4? Its the fastest single motor I've ridden however the display isnt as nice

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks so much! I haven't tried any of the Kukirin scooters yet. Thanks for the suggestion. -Paul

[@071000gsxr]

Have you reviewed a Nanrobot LS7? Also I bought my First electric scooter because of price on Amazon I’m wondering if you could do a review on it so I can see what pros think about for pros and cons it’s JGH X5. I think it needs steering damper and hydraulic brakes then it be a lot better not big fan how noisy it is but dual motors 3200w shipped to me under $1200 I thought was decent deal but seeing some of the draw backs not having a support site to go get parts for it.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We haven’t tested the LS7 yet. You’re right. Lack of parts and support is one of my top concerns with Amazon scooters. I don’t think we will end up reviewing the JGH X5 -Paul

[@joshuabernard471]

Love the quality and informative reviews! I’m surprised you haven’t done any reviews on the Kukurin scooters seeing as they have the best performance for the price I’ve seen.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Hopefully Coming soon!

[@stevenray8022]

Hey Paul I really enjoy and appreciate the work you guys do at scooterguide! I live on a very hilly island in the pacific northwest and I am renting a unagi voyager. The voyager will make it up most hills here, but barely. I live on a sailboat so weight is a consideration and the gt is under my 50lb limit. Do you think the vx2 extreme will climb at least as well as the unagi. Thanks

[@stevenray8022]

P.S. Another vote to see an inmotion climber test. It is in my weight range also but I like the lighting and range on the vx2 extreme

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Great question! Fortunately we have data! In our standardized tests the Voyager took 40% longer to climb our 10% grade test hill than the VX2 Extreme. Here's the Unagi Voyager climbing our test hill with two different weight riders. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqKtqqyNmr6YiqMsi=HjsXse-0huX3UVDb&t=131 Here's the VX2 Pro GT with two different weight riders kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqKtqqyNmr6YiqMsi=oTSmhXsCQ2iyQ1HH&t=476 The Apollo Go is another good choice. But definitely check out the rest of that hill climb video I've linked above. It's in there too and also under 50lbs! and you just saw the VX2 Extreme in this video. -Paul

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Oh and the Climber review comes out Saturday morning. I test the heck out of it on three different hills! -Paul

[@mustangwmx8331]

Do you have also tested the iscooters models because there is now an iscooter ix6 i have the ix3

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I haven’t tested any of those yet. We don’t have any of their scooters in the testing schedule right now. -Paul

[@mattkaye784]

The VX2 Extreme looks wheelie fun! 😅

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Ha ha! Nice! -Paul

[@asilaydying1984]

If they lowered the big battery version down to like 899 it would be a much better value imo

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

The VMAX VX2 Pro GT’s battery is 97% as big as the VX2 extreme and it costs $899. -Paul

[@wolfkane1986]

Are u gonna be testing any time soon Vsett 9 Apex? Thanks

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We don't have a connection for Vsett right now, so it will probably be a while. -Paul

[@Scooter-King.]

Love Bradford street! We have a similar hill up here in Central Oregon called Pilot Butte View point. It's basically a scooter torture test. It's only 15% grade but its 1.8 miles to the top. I want to try it but Im afraid of burning out my controller. Maybe next time Im down your way, ill start with yours and work my way up lol.

[@chrisslade193]

Thanks again for another ESG full dive on what we all what to know, as + 5 year e scooter rider. I live in CH, On my second V-max. No.1. R-25. No. 2 R-40 Pro. any chance you can ask v-max to send you a R-40 Pro and review it pls? I have had an absolute blast on this, sure you will too. thanks again and ride safe 👍

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks so much for the suggestion! I'm very curious about their larger scooters. I hope to test them at some point, but I don't know if we'll get those. It's not in the schedule right now. -Paul

[@chrisslade193]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks Paul, luv the channel, keep Riding 👍

[@alexherrera3918]

does it have technical support and parts within the USA?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes it does!

[@maciejpsyk]

Oh, my! The legendary street known from "Bullitt", isn't it?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I think that was a different part of town. But you could definitely jump a car off of this one. -Paul

[@OldDogNewTricks-137]

Paul and Team ESG/RG ~ Appreciate all the thought and toil you put into research and published resources for us! 👏👏👏(BTW ~ check your "Ride Finder" database on the Extreme, I think there is a typo on the Range vs. this video)....MY Q ~ I am tossing between Apollo GO 2024 and the Vmax Extreme ..... I find Apollo design and VMax design equally appealing....It comes down to the disappointing reality of the trade-off between battery weight and suspension weight....I would like the suspension of the Apollo but I am cringing at the 18.6 mile range and prefer the 10+ more miles (and +hill power) that the Extreme will give ( I eliminated the VX4 b/c of the weight)....... SO, My Q is...does reducing tire pressure to 35 psi on the Extreme make the ride that much smoother that I will prolly not miss the suspension of the Apollo Go? iyo

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks so much for the call out on the range in the RideFinder. You're right and I have no idea how that happened. I forwarded the correct number 28.9 miles to the web team to fix it. It's a tough call. I was having the same conversation with Ramier: Do I want a VX4, a VX2 Extreme or a Go. I sincerely love all three scooters, like a lot. But for really different reasons. To do 30 miles all at once, it's VX4 all day long, no question. So comfortable and smooth. But to chuck it in the trunk and carry upstairs, the Go and the VX2 are delightful, where the VX4 makes me wince. And then when I think of smashing hills, the VX2 Extreme makes me laugh at hills, same with the VX4, but the VX2 Extreme is actually stronger up hill, and the Go gets it done up hills but with less authority and agression. The ride quality on the Go is next level smooth. Like Lexus, or a big Mercedes. Even pushing it across the room you can feel it. And it's so skinny and just polished-looking. I don't know if I've helped at all. It depends on the riding you'll be doing the most. You can't go wrong with any of them. -Paul

[@OldDogNewTricks-137]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide ...Hey Paul, you have helped indeed! Your response makes me want to buy the Go AND the Extreme (lmao *acutally I ordered both and they will both arrive this week, cause I just need to see 'em in 3D), BUT if keep both, I think my Wife will kick "all 3 of use" to the curb" overnight)🙄....So let me push a little further, since you have ridden these for hours and hours.....If the Go is like Lexus or Mercedes, then what is the Extreme at 35 psi like? ....And @35 Psi can you take the Extreme on craggy roads, gravel and the dirt walk paths you find in local parks without your teeth chattering or your L5 lumbar moving north and being re-named "T13"🤪

[@RevoLee]

Will you guys ever in the future do a review of the iScooter iX8 off-road electric scooter?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It's not on our radar right now. Thanks for suggesting it though. The more requests we get, the more likely it becomes! -Paul

[@RevoLee]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks for the reply!

[@RevoLee]

I'm only asking because there is no video on KZbin reviewing this scooter specifically.

[@Maksims001]

what is the best electric scooter for under $800? my only priority is speed

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I made a video about that recently! -Paul kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZomoYpSOmr-Ietksi=3lzlJz4WcSVdyqKt

[@vernflow5224]

Hey my friend. I would like you to test this scooter if possible. Reddydy 8000w duel motor scooter.. it says it can go 90 miles in distances.. can you test this scooter? If you have could you send me a link..? Thank you and keep doing what you are doing.. you are help us so much.. Appreciate you.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We haven't tested that one. Most scooters only travel 60 to 90% of their spec range in the real world. I've never tested a scooter which will go 90 miles. -Paul

[@vernflow5224]

@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thank you my friend.. much much appreciated.

[@MaxHarden]

Too bad power tools companies didn’t make scooter with their motors. Black & Decker”, “DeWalt”, “Kobalt” could all have put wheels on those fancy drill motors.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I swear I saw something about this a while ago and it looked like it might become a thing, but then I didn't hear anything more after that. Have you seen the guy who makes an e-bike battery with replaceable cells? That would be the ultimate: a modular battery that you could use on like 10 different scooters, with replaceable cells, so if one cell goes bad, it only costs you a few bucks to get it sorted out. -Paul

[@AlexanderIvanov-e5f]

Please review the VibeRide Explorer e-scooter, or any other e scooter from this company 🙏

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for the suggestion! We always appreciate hearing about scooters that people want to see reviewed! -Paul

[@bmylesk]

Does VMAX brand ever have sales?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That’s a great question. I don’t feel like I’ve seen any, but I’m not sure. Maybe other people can chime in. -Paul

[@bmylesk]

​@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Ive never seen it and it's frustrating.

[@phototristan]

Their lineup is too confusing. VX2, VX3, VX4, extreme, pro,, etc...

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Not as confusing as Segway Ninebot and Dualtron though. I wish the VMAX scooters went in numerical order though. The 5 is the smallest, but the 4 is the largest. -Paul I did a quick overview of all 4 in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWimc2uelrmmftksi=JCsa2vHM4ETazRXq

[@Seb90584]

⁠@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuidedualtron ain’t really that confusing

[@169chaitanyakharche6]

do hover-1 pro boss and night owl

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for the recommendations! We’re in touch with Hover-1 and should have some new ones coming soon. I’m not sure which ones. -Paul

[@169chaitanyakharche6]

​@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I just bought the pro boss, its good you can say similar to hurtle. I also had an iscooter ix3 but that was stolen, if you could do a review for that would be super, i know its a chinese brand but theyre good for the bang.

[@kings7man]

pity they don’t ship this scooter to Australia

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Sorry to hear it! -Paul

[@CameronStubblefield]

It’s just the VMax vx2 but with no chill lol

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Ha ha! Yeah. I was surprised that the deck was wider though, and the display is a nice touch! -Paul

[@zachwingo4664]

Why do you always ignore Inmotion?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Inmotion climber review coming soon!

[@LoganIsOnYoutube]

Dang having to use an app is a deal breaker for me. I was looking hard at buying this one too.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

You don't need to use the app on this one. You have great control over everything through the dash. It's the regular VX2 where you need the app. -Paul

[@LoganIsOnYoutube]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuideoh sick. I went back and rewatched. I miss heard that. Thank you!

[@LoganIsOnYoutube]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuidenot that you need any more data points to collect lol. But if you’re looking for them, “App Required” might be a helpful one to users. Love what you guys do!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you so much! That’s a great point. It’s not always well defined. There are scooters were you can use it without the app, but still need the app for some essential stuff and then there are ones where you’re SOL without the app and basically can’t even function. Maybe an app letter grade, or two. One for ease of use and one for features. -Paul

[@LoganIsOnYoutube]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide brilliant.

[@metallurgico]

Swiss company but they don't ship to the whole Europe.. how unfortunate.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Hopefully soon!

[@ChongChin]

Please help. I'm 100lbs and got zero muscle and i want a very long range scooter that I can carry. It should be less than $5k and be able to last longer than 30miles in real time. Please what do you recommend.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Check out the Apollo go kzbin.info/www/bejne/il7IYomtbqeefrcsi=SovP89uEHTdNyx1c , check the link in that description for latest pricing and best coupon code!

[@SanjayaMendis-g8w]

👍

[@Midori_Hoshi]

The lack of solid or self-sealing tires is a deal breaker for me. That sucks because I love the range.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

You could always add some armordilloz sealant. I have some in my car tire right now. -Paul

[@Steven-qm1xo]

Wow

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for watching and commenting! -Paul

[@DSMillwright]

First Comment- Do I win a Scooter? LOL

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Well done! That depends, do you live in the SF Bay Area? -Paul

[@asilaydying1984]

I think price is just too high , you can get the mantis x plus which is faster with full suspension for same price with coupon code as the big battery vx2 extreme

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

They also have the regular VX2 which has a battery 97% as large for $899 -Paul Here’s are review of the VX2 GT kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5m2iaemgpeUj7Msi=3pEI802jsyNgxVKx

[@Motorizedstuff]

This still slow my 500 watt scooter gose 30mph on a straight I belive this scooter has more torque but over all mine is very good for the money £500 for 17.5amp battery scooter I get miles from it had it over 2 years now I have a new 1 too

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

What scooter do you have? -Paul

[@Motorizedstuff]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide it's called an urban racer m1 not sure if they even make it any more I have unboxing videos and riding footage on my channel somewhere I will get a link so you can check it out

[@Motorizedstuff]

​@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide just saying I get around 28 miles on full speed constantly

[@JulioRad954]

Yes, but too expensive when dual motor competitors are near this price.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

To be fair, the performance also beats some of the dual motor competitors at this price, but you don’t get suspension. I think its biggest competition will be the VX2 at $300 less and fairly close in performance. -Paul

[@BlueScreenGaming1]

First

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for watching and commenting! We appreciate your support! -Paul

[@imglidinhere]

One feature you say? Just looking at it I'm seeing a $1200 scooter that doesn't appear to have suspension, which is wild to me. Like... where is this money going to exactly, except the name? EDIT: Yup, no suspension... Yeah that's too much of a compromise for the price they're asking.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes, the suspension is the feature I’m referring to when I say that one feature may be a deal breaker. -Paul

[@livewire..]

I need help understanding the preoccupation with top speed. In most areas, the top speed legal speed allowed on public roads and bike trails is 20 mph or about 32 kph. Promoting higher speeds is irresponsible. Otherwise, acceleration and hill climb tests make good sense.

[@steakovercake3986]

Ok Karen 😂

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I’ve thought about this a lot. Why can’t we make headlines out of hill climb test results instead. I think it’s the same reason car magazines post about 200mph cars. Mainly, I think they do it because it’s interesting when things can go fast, even if you choose not to use them that way. I never tested the true top speed of my F355 Spider, but was happy that the magazines did. But the other reason is that speed is a proxy for output power. You’re 100% correct that hill climb is also a (and probably better) proxy for power, but the results of a hill climb test are hard to put into a 10 word headline. For example, my Mom understands that a 60 mph scooter is stupid-fast. But she wouldn’t know that a 6-second hill climb time is fast, without looking at a graph or a table full of data about other scooters. There are also folks who have access to places to ride faster legally, and they need to know. For me, I applaud the folks who ride in the UK where it’s not legal at all, and I support those who replace car trips in the US with scooter trips, and who do so at car-like city speeds of 25mph, as long as they’re doing it responsibly, which I believe is not only possible, but also the way the vast majority of scooter riders ride. Thanks for sharing your concern so I could respond. -Paul

[@independentmind85]

Most of us couldn't care less what arbitrary top speed the government decided. That's a big reason why.

[@jg_ultra]

@@independentmind85 Precisely. People need to remember that laws are not just enforced selectively, they are _specified_ on the basis that they will be enforced selectively, and need to be easily enforced when they are. That 30MPH speed limit sign you just passed isn't to keep you from doing 31MPH; it is to make it easy to enforce the law to punish someone doing much more than that, or doing barely more than that but in a way which is irresponsible and dangerous.

[@livewire..]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide it's attitudes like this that result in ordinances that ban eScooters, eBikes and others from city trails and roads. Accidents that are a result of speed can result in licensing and the need to have liability insurance. 20 mph is a safe and reasonable speed especially when used around pedestrians and cyclists.

[@youtubeonly2866]

No suspension, Hard Pass

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

There's always the VX4! -Paul kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIWbqHaHdtOnr6ssi=8k3dLElRFW7UhZoD