Quick and simple blacksmith tool - S7 center punch

[@lonewolfforge7603]

Thanks John for all your lessons. Since watching you, I have built a forge, a 2x72 grinder, I even made an anvil wannabe. I have made one set of tongs, a drift, and a chisel...all forged. I am in the process of making my own knife.

[@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740]

Soooo I'd be interested in seeing the anvil you built. I love seeing hand made anvils. Creativity is intriguing to me. Have plans to build anvil or 2 myself 🙏 Blessings to you Crawford out 🧙‍♂️

[@andywright2606]

@@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740 Hi Weldon, I see your interested in looking at home made anvils, with plans to make your own. If you fancy you can come over to my channel, Forge Wright and check out my DIY anvil I made about 6mths ago. It's about 110kg and works really well. There is a full series of instructional videos on my Playlist of exactly how I made it. Cheers Andy 👍⚒

[@lonewolfforge7603]

@@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740 no problem. It's just 6- 8x8 squares 1/2 " thick. I will be improving it soon since I have recently acquired some RR steel.

[@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740]

@@lonewolfforge7603 kuul deal. Good luck sir

[@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740]

@@andywright2606 , heck yeah I'll check it out. Thank you very much. 🙏 Blessings to you sir Crawford out ⚒️🧙‍♂️ P.s subbed you for easy reference lol

[@stevenlarsen1691]

My hammers that have been annealed the handles are made of steel and painted green. Never hit two hard hammers together. And using a hammer with a steel handle ain't good. I guess maybe a chipping hammer but wear gloves.

[@superdave54811]

Mr. John, I simply enjoy your videos. I watch and rewatch them to learn and embed your teachings. You are the best! Thanks for all you do!

[@MrDukaman]

I find putting the punches and chisels or what ever in the bucket of. Vermiculite with a few other punches and chisels. Or even a hot larger bar to hold some more heat. The s7 seems to come out pretty soft. Never had one crack when hardening

[@5x535]

You are on a roll Buddy! Two very good ideas today. A big chunk of hot steel in the vermiculite along with the tools to slow down the heat loss even further. Great idea! Got it!

[@cholulahotsauce6166]

How does S7 stack up against H13? I've heard good things about both but I'd prefer whichever one is more forgiving.

[@BlackBearForge]

I think S7 stands up to abuse better and is a bit more forgiving in the heat treat. But H13 will survive getting into the red heat ranges better

[@goldskula]

hah the thumbnail looks like you're smoking a cigar

[@andywright2606]

That's was my first thought too 👍

[@MrDukaman]

I don’t know about you but I find 4140 is harder to forge then s7 I think 4140 is just about the hardest steel to forge. Always give me a hard time. Today I made an ax eye drift out of 4140. Thank goodness I have that double diagonal peen you made me. Awesome hammer thanks again

[@5x535]

I agree with you about the 4140 IEF. That stuff is hard to move and get where you want it. I always have to get it really hot and get my big hammer.

[@luukderksen8810]

John, maybe you see some new information on this site... www.premium-steel.eu/steel-guide

[@frankgaletzka8477]

Hello John Good simple Tool 👍👍 I wish you a wonderfull Weekend Good bless you Yours Frank

[@olddawgdreaming5715]

Thanks for sharing with us John. Great information and cleared up some wonderings.

[@gurvinderkau1e5w18]

Not so familiar about S7 but this video has arouse a curiosity to know more about it. Great tool quiet handy .👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740]

Ok I gotta ask...do you do any forge work yourself? I know we speak occasionally so was just curious. I'm just barely getting started myself 🙏 Blessed be now Crawford out ⚒️🧙‍♂️

[@gurvinderkau1e5w18]

@@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740 Hi Daniel. I understand ur curiosity. No i dont have forge or any practical knowledge bout this but i love this Craft.it jst drive me crazy

[@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740]

@@gurvinderkau1e5w18 hmmmmm. Well we must fix that. Lol. Gotta get you some fire, a hammer n anvil shape object. Then you can join me learning this stuff. Lol. Respectfully if course. I understand that there may be culture issue or limitations due to a suitable place to set up. So no offense intended. My oppologies in advance. As I gather your in India correct? Or am I all off?

[@gurvinderkau1e5w18]

@@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740 none taken. But i want fire and hammer. Will work out someday once my kids are grown up. But am learning . And yes am from India.

[@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740]

@@gurvinderkau1e5w18 too kuul! Well if I can help let me know. I enjoy learning from these fine folks and your comments and question too

[@lukecope4212]

12:10-12:20, you're getting pretty darn crafty at editing your videos, I barely noticed the hammer disappear off the anvil to the left and magically appear in your hand to demonstrate striking the tool you just made. There was almost zero noticeably in how you edited your speech together. I had to rewind it several times to make sure I wasn't losing my marbles

[@BlackBearForge]

That wasn't even a planned edit. Just went together that way

[@leoszes]

"and it can be even simpler than that" japanese smiths just use 2 splints of bamboo and sum wire for holding their punches. I read it also helps to keep the tools cool since the bamboo will absorb and carry the water better. (not sure if that's noticeable compared to western punch handles) btw, how hard is it to forge a triangular punch on nothing but a flat anvil with a flat hammer?

[@Glaswalker1001]

Don't know about the bamboo handle, but it sounds a bit like eastern romanticism. But that triangular punch got me. That would be quite difficult without a grinder I believe. Why would you need one?

[@leoszes]

@@Glaswalker1001 triangle punch would make for interesting designs

[@threeriversforge1997]

Great show, as always. I really need to investigate these fancy alloys! :D

[@waltparkhurst2494]

Awesome video John, thanks for sharing

[@TomokosEnterprize]

I have made a number of punches out of big exhaust valve stems from a big diesel engine. They are wonderfully hard from the valve to the stem top. I can see the resistance in this piece when being hammered on. That heating guide is great.

[@5x535]

Great tip! Thank you, sir. I'll bet that is a really fancy, tough, hard and for certain, heat-resisting steel. I am on the lookout now. Those valve stems would make a really nice set of smaller punches/chisels/engravers.

[@TomokosEnterprize]

@@5x535 HI, , , You bet on the stems. In fact all exhaust vales are great. Super hard yet don't chip by the valve and a softer tip that mushrooms in a nice way. Check out all the HD truck and engine shops. Cat and Cummins or Detroit are my reg go to shops. I have found they will save and or give you any bagged valves they have. The bigger ones can be 3/8ths stems or even as large as 1/2 in. just begging to be made into a new tool. I used to work with mostly TQ 100 plate and hardened shafting. These will leave a mark or can be formed into chisels, center punches or you name it.

[@richardsolomon8076]

Very nice and practical tool great video John

[@maxprophet2401]

Worn out allen wrenches are in season, I think most are s7? Thanks John!

[@stanervin6108]

#Maxprophet Jackhammer bits are S7 most of the time, though some are S5

[@cholulahotsauce6166]

Good to know!

[@deweylandrum7304]

Why S7 instead of H13? Is there something in the hardening and tempering process of H13 that makes it more difficult to work with for pieces less than an inch in diameter? In reading all of the technical stuff, the both look like it is technical and expensive (i.e. you need an oven) to deal with. But people talk about that if it's small pieces you can get away with hardening and tempering by color.

[@BlackBearForge]

For this series it was largely because it was available from the same source as some of the other tools. But I do find S7 more forgiving to heat treat in the forge. It also holds up better if used on cold work.

[@currajeperm8418]

Super profesore of albanja

[@billy19461]

Would you show us what you are doing in the shop (normal business)?

[@BlackBearForge]

I show bits of that from time to time. But over the years it has became just more of the same, so I don't show it as often a I did once.

[@TufStockdogs]

Thank you John for sharing all this about s7

[@greghackney8437]

Magnetic tongs.

[@ga5743]

Thanks John for the lesson.....I noticed your vermiculite is powdery, I have some but its grainy. I presume both are ok to use? What say you.

[@nicholasvalentine6273]

I'm pretty sure his vermiculite is powdery just cause it's well used. Haha. A new bag of it will be larger grains.

[@glennwiebe5128]

If you've got a wood stove or fireplace you can save the fine ash and use that. I've got a 5 gal pail of it for my knives. It works very well as long as you keep it dry.

[@BlackBearForge]

The vermiculite is just well used. I prefer the larger grains as they don't make as much dust.

[@obh7762]

Can you go into some more detail on how your coal forge is vented?

[@TheRustyGarageandHomestead]

He has a video where he goes in depth on his coal forge with dimensions and how it operates

[@BlackBearForge]

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[@TheRustyGarageandHomestead]

Good simple tool John thank you

[@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740]

Great simple tool build. One additional piece is a good option for me. A piece of hose over the flat bar handle really takes the twang to the hand straight away. Love these tool builds. 🙏 Be blessed now Crawford out ⚒️🧙‍♂️

[@BlackBearForge]

I had planned to mention the hose and then completely forgot when I got to the end of the video

[@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740]

@@BlackBearForge yes sir. You've a lot on your plate. Thank you for what you do. Hope you don't mind if we help you out some time along the way. 🙏 Blessings now Crawford out ⚒️ 🧙‍♂️

[@mattwyeth3156]

Will s7 or other air hardening steels expload or crack if quenched while red hot

[@goldskula]

crack perhaps but no steel that I know explodes when not quenched the right way

[@mje3055]

Very nice

[@frankgaletzka8477]

I have forgotten something A peacefull Advent Weekend For you and your family 🎅🎅

[@tomcarlson3244]

I like the handled punches. I twisted a piece of 5/8 round around a chisel. The piece was 3 ft long. Just in this video you gave two ways to improve the handle. I like welding the flat bar.

[@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740]

One of the best additions to the flat bar handle is a piece of hose. It really takes the twang to the hand right out of it 🙏 Be blessed now Crawford out 🧙‍♂️

[@BlackBearForge]

I had intended to mention the hose idea and then completely forgot.

[@henrikokko9988]

Mr Inspiration! Thank You for saying sizes in metric, helps us living in other parts than US a lot.

[@standaffern6595]

John, can you direct us to a video you may have made regarding the way you heat treat H 13 in the shop without a heat treat oven. Also could you put a link in the files section as a how to guide for these 2 steels. Thanks.

[@tinkmarshino]

Ya know John.. I was a carpenter all my life.. I am just figuring out that is would have been very handy for me if I had had blacksmith abilities and a forge set up in my younger days... although today everything is pneumatic and I do not think carpenters even use hammers and hand saws any more.. But back in the day it would have been ral handy to be able to make specialized tools.. thanks for the share .. carry on.. be safe and Merry Christmas...

[@JF-fx2qv]

Good info. John.

[@mtyson9004]

I just bought some S7 to give it a whirl. Thanks for sharing! God Bless you sir!

[@thomasarussellsr]

Nice, thanks.

[@thesprinkleddonutforge2774]

Loved that. I just got a lot of sucker rod and need to weld up a bunch of various struck tools. Thanks John

[@FBPrepping]

Being a metallurgist, I enjoy quite a bit listening and watching masters like you at work, Mister. And learning the heating technique and slow cooling in the 10:20 with the block is awesome. Thanks for taking the time to teach us this. You have a new suscriber!.

[@scarface-39]

I’m like a sponge when I watch you John!!! I’m always willing to learn 👍

[@douglasfathers4848]

Grat video John thanks for thinking of us without the tools or skills as yet to make handle tools.and S7 sounds like it's hard work but worth it .

[@daretodreamtofly3288]

I believe you said the drill rod you had was S2. Is there any benefit of s7 over s2 that you have seen?

[@BrianDaleNeeley]

I like bronze. It tastes like caramel. But it's not the greatest for a hot tool.

[@johnzempel4035]

Good morning!

[@lonewolfforge7603]

Mornin.

[@williamburrell4451]

goodnight from here in Australia

[@oxenforde]

Not to jinx it ... but, you are getting close to 100k subscribers!!

[@BlackBearForge]

I have noticed that. Could be in a few weeks or a few months

[@danielhendy8169]

This video helped me so much!!! You are my favorite blacksmith to watch on KZbin! I had a question about making tools or a cutting-edge...Is it possible to just stick weld several beads on the edge of soft steel and then Forge or Grind it down instead of forge welding or using a whole piece of tool steel? I’ve never seen anybody do it but it seems to me there has to be some sort of welding rod that will harden and temper. I feel like forge welding a piece of steel on the end of an ax head is kind of the same thing?

[@BlackBearForge]

they do make hard surface rod for adding a wear surface to things like plow blades. Most of these stress relieve with micro cracks that would be bad for a cutting edge

[@5x535]

Another good one John. Thank you. It would be interesting to hear why you are using a particular hammer. I am betting that somewhere in the Black Bear Brain there is a reason that you chose one hammer over the others and that it is not simply a game of musical hammers that we are watching. I have not noticed the diagonal pein for a while.

[@BlackBearForge]

small work small hammer, big work big hammer. Most of the time that is as technical as it gets

[@Res375]

Where did you get your ruler?

[@coen555]

He's got a video on that. Its home made from a builders square. I've been meaning to make one.

[@cholulahotsauce6166]

They do sell hook rulers but they tend to be expensive for engineering applications.

[@BlackBearForge]

I make them from squares. I have a few listed for sale in the Etsy shop right now.

[@donnarhill1932]

Nice!

[@randallsummers6551]

Is coil spring steel about S7? Seems I heard someone say it was. I want to make a few tools and I have several coil springs around. Thanks Take care and God bless.

[@OuroborosArmory]

Randall Summers coil is usually 4140 or 5160 equivalent...

[@randallsummers6551]

@@OuroborosArmory thanks.

[@stanervin6108]

My favorite tool steel, John. 🐾🔥⚒👍

[@gurvinderkau1e5w18]

Hi Stan. Not so aware about S7. Can u tell me its mainly used for making tools .?

[@stanervin6108]

@@gurvinderkau1e5w18 Punches, chisels, hammers, rivet headers, and drifts. Marking stamps, too. Anybody out there ever used S7 or S5 for die sets, chime in!

[@gurvinderkau1e5w18]

@@stanervin6108 thanks for information