CIV 4 IS STILL THE BEST! - England/Churchill - Ep 1

My love for Civ 4 is unrelenting. I don't know why. Probably because I'm a cranky old man. Anyway, this was recorded on my "day off". Deal with it.
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[@th484953]

Hearing Leonard Nimoy reading out the tech quotes gave me a huge hit of nostalgia.

[@jamus3457]

Nostalgia with a side of melancholy. Another great talent lost to time.

[@kirktown2046]

​@@jamus3457 I will be lost. Nemoy will be(is) remembered.

[@Espresso139]

I've played all Civs... 2 was the best until 4 came out and 4 is still the best even after all the stuff added to 6. 6 has its place but Civ4 is pure civ

[@warlordnipple]

And then civ4 has FFH2 which is one of the best mods ever

[@JulieanGalak]

Civ2 is still the best.

[@slevnnn]

I always found 3 to be the best, but that could be nostalgia because it was my first one, and I played the shit out of it.

[@JulieanGalak]

@@slevnnn - iirc, 3 was the only one without Sid Meier's involvement, so it had a different feel to it. It was a "love it or hate it" game at the time. Personally I don't like it, but many do. I most played 1 back in the day, but loved 2 as it was basically just 1 with mor stuff - more units, more buildings, but basically the same game.

[@warlordnipple]

@@slevnnn I started with 2 and played that and Alpha Centauri, 3 was better than 2 but 4 was the best of the infinite stacking style of civ. 3 had issues with late and early game the way civ 6 would without any dlc. I tried playing 2 and 3 but they feel like huge steps back since they have no religions and no real objectives other than what is essentially conquest.

[@Ket246811]

Mannn I will never forget the caveman to cosmos mod for civ 4 just such a well made and deeply complex experience. Thanks for revisiting this title Quill! ❤

[@Jude020507]

C2C is so great, peak civ mod.

[@jozsefkalmar7054]

C2C is my goto Civ mod since 2012. I've been experimenting with the more modern titles but I keep going back to it.

[@XDbored1]

C2C is how i found Quill, i feel like C2C is too unbalanced and too grindy, none of the Ais know how to do anything and by the time you meet everyone your eras ahead, Kmod+Bug mashups are best.

[@dc3antest]

@@XDbored1 Yeah, C2C is a bit unbalanced and definitly grindy. But it's also awesome, and I love it !

[@matterhorn731]

Civ 4 is iconic, and the fact that it supported so many total conversion mods really kept me coming back to it. Fall from Heaven and its descendants for fantasy, Planetfall as essentially Alpha Centauri sci fi, Realism Invictus and Caveman 2 Cosmos for really in depth remakes of the core historical setting... there's so much to work with!

[@Clone683]

For real, I put so many hours into the Star Trek total conversion mod

[@gregdinkelman420]

I played so much Fall from Heaven.

[@Hussam_B]

I will never forget all the civ games along the way. Civ 4 holds a special place

[@TheBelrick]

Civ v vox populi is THE best civ experience by a huge mile. Civ 4 was really good but lacks a challenging AI. I say this as a Civ 1 vet that hates no unit stacking.

[@trent3727]

@@TheBelrick@TheBelrick Unit stacking was the best. If you didn't like it, you had to stack your cities. Now militaries are so slow boring and pointless

[@TheBelrick]

@@trent3727 it was. they could of easily introduced a supply limit to limit stacks of doom. but no.

[@trent3727]

@@TheBelrick And The Stacs of Doom were also tactical as you needed to have a combination of troop types.

[@Reyon88]

lol hussam also holds a special bomb around his torso

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Quill explaining how the extra production exploit works in Civ IV made me check I hadn't landed in 2010 again.

[@TheBelrick]

2010 is civ V! civ iv is 2000!

[@zer0her058]

@@TheBelrickciv 4 is 2005

[@dasmysteryman12]

I spent so many hours on Civ4 more than Civ6, most of them during high school. Definitely my favourite civ ever

[@TheBelrick]

civ 6 is awful. No ai, no challenge. All the features add nothing but complexity

[@vikkh8574]

​@@TheBelrick I dont understand how people can like civ 6. It is way too easy compared to civ 4 and 5

[@TheBelrick]

@@vikkh8574 Civ VI is literally a solo civ game. There is no AI so there is no other civs to compete against Which is the entire point of Civ!

[@Christophee1987]

It was because of Civ 4 that I first discovered your channel, and I love to see you return to it. I still love the game too, but despite playing it a fair bit I've never been able to master it. It feels much more complex than the more recent games, and I love to watch people play it well.

[@ChrisSeymour-vr6nv]

Really appreciate a YT let's play back on this channel. I get why you've mostly become a twitch channel, but it's great to see a focused gameplay vid without the interruption of twitch viewers.

[@DrownedInExile]

A classic! Lost count of how many hours I sunk into Civ4 back in the day.

[@lakrids-pibe]

I remember Civ4. Back when civfanatics was my source of information. I didn't watch let's plays on youtube until I get Civ 5 and couldn't figure it out. Pretty much you and Marbozir taught me how to play it.

[@djray8]

6:15 Experienced civ 4 player here. You cannot get a population out of a goody hut in civ 4 (simply not on the list of rewards). The difficulty you're playing on is Monarch, therefore you can only get rewards as follows from goody hut : gold, map, warrior, scout, experience, free tech, or barbarian spawns (if unlucky). Also starting off by building a worker is actually the best play you can do. By the time you finish your worker, you would have already researched the technologies to help develop your capital in the early game. It is always good if your worker has something to do each turn. As for the start itself, it's a bit awkward since you have a resource which needs animal husbandry to improve but cannot be researched until you pick up either hunting or agriculture. Also because of the fact that your capital has a lot of forests (which involves going bronze working in order to chop them). Choices of opening techs are correct, except I would've researched bronze working as 2nd tech instead of animal husbandry. You'd need to cottage those river tiles. Chopping a forest takes 3 turns (+1 for moving worker into it), which can definitely give you enough time to research animal husbandry as 3rd tech, move your worker to the cattle tile, then move it to the horse afterwards. Fog busting is also gonna be important in early game, it stops barbs from spawning in affected areas (a unit fog busts an area of 5x5 of where they are, center point of that 5x5 area is where your unit is standing). Barbarians can be reckless in this game. I hope this helps in future playthroughs 😅

[@sk8goat858]

I'm so glad you're doing a Civ 4 game! Civ 4 is my all time favorite Civ game.

[@user-ib7nt3ck1g]

FINALLY!!! Ive been waiting for a new playthrough from you for like a year!

[@RaebEeffoc]

I remember watching your first set of Civ 4 videos way back when, glad to see you give Civ 4 another whirl. Ive been hankering for a game of civ, but 5 nor 6 does it for me. 4 is where it really shines for me. Hope to see more Civ 4 content!

[@jonreich9483]

I have a lot of fond memories of CIV IV as a young lad. It was the first video game me and my father played together at the tender age of like 8. Ah what many years ago that was.

[@RoyeReedBenjamin]

Always great to see you play some civ IV, Quill. I am amazed at your restraint in not settling the ivory city first. Personally, I am a war elephant stan in this game and I will pay unwise amounts of city maintenance in order to secure the old pachiderms.

[@heraschade7981]

im so happy you are back playing civ 4! i watched your civ 4 content way back when!

[@ExasperatedHero]

Love seeing this series. I found your channel ages ago when you were doing Civ4 let's plays.

[@davidburton9690]

I still play the latest modmods for Fall From Heaven II. Love the fantasy setting and the truly distinct mechanics for each civ.

[@daStitches]

Wow, the nostalgia that watching this bring is amazing... getting the itch to find my old disk and installing this game again.

[@bruceegan2631]

One of my fav for sure loved the massive stack battles.

[@TheVrede2]

😲 Just got back into Civ 4 myself and was watching your Egypt play through when you drop this gem

[@johnkossen4821]

Love watching Quill play games he loves!

[@vancedrefrigerator5977]

This brought me back to 14 hour LANs and the greatest of times. Truly the finest.

[@fezzperez6705]

Thanks for bringing Civ 4 back, i played every civ game.

[@Timmytiger18]

Just a PSA for all those getting the nostalgia itch, Civ IV: The Complete Edition is available on steam, right now for a 30$ AUD. This includes the other 3 expansions for the title. I spent many an hr as a young teen immersed into this series, boy has it been years. Thanks for uploading Quill!

[@ZakTheFallen]

Honestly, Quill... Civ 4 is my favorite too. I liked Civ 5, I played the hell out of Civ 2 when it came out. However, I keep coming back to Civ 4 when I want to play this genre. Though it's an old game now, the good thing is that Civ 4 and its DLC are still available on Steam as a complete bundle. Something around $32.99 CAD? It's definitely worth it though, I've put hundreds of hours in Civ 4.

[@Folmand]

Civilization on Amiga was one of my fondest memories. Man I could do some all nighters with that game!

[@aaronmartin8027]

A Civ 4 video? ...okay, yeah, sure...it's not like I needed that extra brain-space that's now full of endless hours of Baba Yetu, needlelssly listening to every tech voice-over and over and over again, or leaving the diplomacy menu open when Auren contacts me just so I can listen to Age of Ice on repeat... My will is strong...I can resist... ..but why would I want to? Excuse me, I need to track down my old copy of this glorious game.

[@antiguy1994]

Civ 5 will always be my baby for the reason it was my first civ game. I can definitely appreciate 4 so thanks for doing this playthrough.

[@trent3727]

I was addicted to every civ until Civ 5. Civ 5 made me give up on the entire franchise.

[@antiguy1994]

@@trent3727 if you don't mind me asking did you play civ 5 without the dlc expansions? They are a must in my opinion.

[@trent3727]

@@antiguy1994@antiguy1994 Nah, as soon as I saw My military was nerfed because each unit had to be on a separate tile, I was completely put off by the game.

[@trent3727]

@@antiguy1994 I liked to purposely accelerate my military science just so I could dominate with an iron fist, and the new Civs made that seemingly impossible and less fun.

[@horusmegee6969]

I have been just seeing some content creators play civ 5, so you doing 4 is spot on!

[@KodeeDentares]

Yes! Back to the beginning, when I was out of college 😁

[@DeciDoesThings]

This is my favorite Civ4!, I started playing this game watching you. I started with a game called settlers

[@Mackerdaymia]

My personal favourite too. Also absolutely LOVED the Colonization DLC. Felt it really refreshed a nostalgic old game.

[@btonasse]

"In the beginning, the Earth was without form". That is the most epic intro of video game history. The music that accompanies is absolutely incredible

[@arbitrary_mike7833]

I can sit and listen to Baba Yetu on repeat for hours.

[@lukeandrew3335]

I think many of us here, have :)

[@sog242]

I love this initiative. The only problem is the music from vanilla civ 4 is not BtS

[@SuperSilverTrees]

Civ 4 is truly the best, as I think this is what Civ game should be about, getting more complex as the time goes by... I was really disappointed when they changed the way it's played in Civ 5.

[@NerevarineKing]

I love this game so much, I still replay it.

[@jasonrussell5265]

There was a giant Earth map that someone made that I loved to play. Inca was super hard to catch up and win with on it.

[@Vagabond820]

This version had some of the most quotable quotes. My top two: beep… beep… beep - sputnik; and the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the ever increasing needs of the expanding bureaucracy.

[@Neo_Anderson]

Love seeing this Quill! Any chance you can link to the Bug mod you're using please? Keen to play along :)

[@scubastevewa8580]

Love the throwbacks to civ 4!

[@was6298]

I'm excited for this, love civ 4

[@aenorist2431]

Yea, thats a big nostalgia hit right there. Thank you for that.

[@SloanHyde]

seeing this on my laptop screen just made me so much happier than I would've been if it wasn't there

[@historysdustbin3988]

Great to see CivIV back on the channel.

[@16Haverson]

I loved starting this game up and listening to Baba Yetu every time.

[@hanfmeier]

Love Civ 4! Hope there will be more. :D

[@jeddej]

Always missing this version of civ4

[@guvkon]

I tried civ 1 and 2 a little bit (way back) -- I didn't like them at all. Then I tried Civ 4 but wasn't ready to learn all the mechanics so drop it as well. But then Civ 5 really grabbed me (even played multiplayer with friends). I liked Civ 6 but it just made me want to play Civ 5 (I didn't play it with any of the updates). But now seeing Civ 4 -- it looks really good. I think I'm going to finally give it a proper chance.

[@kirktown2046]

I've played em all. Civ 4 is the best, specifically the Fall From Heaven 2 / Ashes of Erebus mod pack. Truly, the best version of Civ ever made. Civ 5 and 6 got nothing on FFH2, and I wish it were its own standalone game.

[@lukeandrew3335]

Despite the sometimes annoying late game, this IS the best civ.

[@DeviilReaper]

I totally forgot that it was only in CIV V that hexagonal tiles were used, which tbh is one of the best decisions made.

[@3characterhandlerequired]

Civ 4 is probably best game ever. I have something like four games I keep playing no matter how long I have played them and Civ 4 is best of the four. I sometimes get exited of new game, but I always get bored of them pretty fast. Not so with Civ 4. The replayability of this game is really really good. Of the hundreds of games I have played I still keep finding things that surprise/amaze me.

[@AnaIvanovic4ever]

1, 4 and 5 are my favourites, never warmed up to civ6

[@warlordnipple]

Fall From Heaven 2 was my most played mod for years!

[@teaser6089]

Here is me hoping for another Caveman 2 Cosmos game ! :D

[@hughgeoghegan1042]

Ahhhh, the nostalgia, absolutely love and loved Civ 4! I'd played thousands of hours before I came across your videos for the first time - had never used slavery because why woukd I kill my population!?! Insanely powerful is right!

[@williek08472]

"We might only get 3 views on this bad boy" He says in a video with 2.6K views and counting 😂

[@elessarbre]

34k now. :D

[@cmndrwolf291]

civ 4 is the giga Chad of civ games. and long may it reign.

[@logoncal3001]

Funny seeing this released as i popping off my Realism Invictus game.

[@Clone683]

This is the Civ game I compare all other Civ games too

[@fishleaf18]

Still on my bucket list of games to play given how much I love Civ V.

[@kirktown2046]

If you do try Civ 4, super highly recommend the Ashes of Erebus(Fall from Heaven 2) mod pack. It's the best civ ever made.

[@jasonarthurs3885]

Civ 4 still had players suffering through AI constantly ignoring no-trespass requests.

[@thesteelrodent1796]

Civ 4 is somewhat unique in the franchise because it basically serves as crossroad between the old and new civ games. It plays a lot like the original Civ games and yet introduced a bunch of new mechanics that were carried over into 5 and onward. Unfortunately the original disc version of 4 doesn't work properly on modern computers, so the download versions are the only way to play it

[@kirktown2046]

Not enough comments encouraging you to play Fall From Heaven 2 / Ashes of Erebus mod for Civ 4 BTS... It's the best civ ever created, even today with all the modern civ 5/6 mods and dlc, the content and mechanics and flavor are unrivaled.

[@lastcommand41]

Epic music!!

[@zonefreakman]

the nostalgia

[@georgewhiting148]

MY CIV 6 BRAIN: IT'S SQUARES~!

[@chiefbeef1003]

Shades of when I found this channel 10(!!) years ago.

[@ibrudiiv]

Can you post the classical music playlist you used? Thanks for the video!

[@_unknown_guy]

Skipping intro theme of Civ4 is a crime

[@wyvernliberatus8474]

Just finished a great run through with Zulu, did the best tech wise ever.

[@legueu]

CIV 4 content, best content! Don't worry Quill this video will get huge numbers... ... in my head. Which is not worth any money.

[@Halgrenos]

The best Civ returns! \o/

[@MarkGFL]

Civ IV is easily my favourite version of Civ.

[@NettiGaming]

My favourite too

[@jimwilson6449]

You're absolutely right it is

[@lerialkyedra8654]

"I will only get 3 views on this..." Come on, Quill. I am not the only one who would watch any civ game you play. I myself started in 91 with civ 1 but civ 4 was the first that really got me going. That doesn't change that I liked 5 better and 6 even more. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be!

[@Guimbao]

CIV IV with the modpack "Realism Invictus" is by far the best Civ ever made. Sid Meyers after Civ IV chose to focus more to become a friendly franchising than a complexity and elaborate game.

[@woesmaro]

Let´s freaking goooo

[@sergiofenilli89]

Concordo ser a melhor versao de CIV. Ainda jogo esta em preferencia

[@victorhughgo2376]

The BAT mod is awesome.

[@YapsiePresents]

Civ 4 is classic civ in it's most complete form

[@wslayerem6996]

still play a modded version of civ 4 with my friends from time to time

[@STOPTIMMERTIME]

I love how smart the AI is with air (much needed in Civ 6) but I do feel the eventual death spiral of inflation and desertification of the world make it annoying to play late game. That said I have put THOUSANDS of hours into the game from high school through college

[@desptadoodle7260]

You are absolutely right it is the best!

[@joluoto]

Civ IV was my Civ. So good.

[@jimmym3352]

uh oh, this might cause me to install this game.

[@-NxPx-Phoenix]

alt+LClick adds to building q in all cities without having to select them

[@heraschade7981]

there are civ 4 mods still veing updated. rise from erebus is my favorite current 4x experience!

[@Marynz]

Any idea what mod is he using? thats not BUG because i do not have some of those icons below unit portraits also his UI scaling is much better while mine UI is tiny

[@Thor22396]

Civ 4 is for sure in the top 10 games of all time discussion it is what created the atandard for 4x

[@POPJack1717]

I have a love hate for the stack of doom feature on Civ 4. It sucks when you get sneak attacked with a stack of 25 enemy troop, 10 being artillery units. And you have 3 people defending a city. In later games it isnt as bad becof railroads but it can be a pain in the ass o Pre railroad.

[@Despesh]

still hope for Civ5 gameplay

[@Razzku]

Best Civ installment. I like it more than 5 which I like more than 6.

[@XDbored1]

YEAH! another Quil18 civ IV, idk if its as great as Civ V for multiplayer, and it gets old and too sweaty when your winning Immortal/Diety without using meme strats, but easily a top 10 game of all time well worth over a 1000 hours.

[@Jaggling]

Still hoping for more Alpha Centauri (Alien Crossfire) playthrough again.

[@classicfrog80]

@Quill Please give a try to Civilization 4 mod called "Fall Further." It's amazing fantasy conversion and changes the gameplay entirely. It's rich in lore and it's as much of an adventure as it's strategy game.