Quinacridone Gold Watercolor Comparison - White Nights, Holbein, Daniel Smith, Winsor & Newton, etc

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[@monsoon_magic2874]

The original PO49 is indeed a marvellous colour as seen here. I have the White Nights Indian gold and use it for painting tigers. Thank you for mixing PY129 and PR122. I really liked the fourth and fifth mixes from the left, specially the fourth one. I mixed a somewhat similar hue with PY150 and PR187 which is somewhat less glowing.

[@hannahthufvesson]

My favourite is the W&N one! It's because of the mixes, they glow and have depth at the same time 🥰

[@CBWebb]

The hues never cut it for me. They're beautiful on their own, but my use for po49 was always in mixing, and the hues really do not mix the same way due to the azo yellow. I always used it to mix a very particular middle earth tone back when it was just being discontinued, and was so confused why a new tube was just not mixing the way I remembered until I discovered it was a hue ): Your genuine version looks like the "deep" version of the pigment-- Dan Smith carried that, too, as a single pigment po49, but it was a redder tone and had less perceived glow than the one without the deep demarcation. I have a similar version of the pigment that I assume may be the same source as the one here, and was manufactured by Dupont in the 70s!

[@PaintinHiding]

(apologies for late reply, i didn't get a notif for your comment) oh i didn't know there was a 'deep' version! wowww!! i learn something new every day thank you CB Webb! that makes so much sense! i really like this prodigal sons quin gold that i recently swatched out, it's definitely not as deep as this nightshade one. amazing!

[@CBWebb]

@@PaintinHiding No worries at all! It seems I only got a notification for yours just now (oy vey, KZbin). I'll need to try the prodigal sons version sometime-- I've bought pigments from there, but never the actual paints. Thanks for the recommendation!

[@Finkeldinken]

I'm honestly really happy that I only started painting with watercolours when PO49 was running out. It's definitely something I'd love and miss if I had gotten used to having it around; it's right up my alley. But since I never had it, I don't miss it. I like the WN Indian gold and W&N Quin Gold (Hue) really well, and I like mixing PY129 and DD PV32, but it is clear to me from videos that I would find them lacking in mixes if I had used PO49 first. Thank you; this was lovely!

[@TsukabuNosoratori2]

I love the original PO49. But with PO48 being discontinued I stocked up on the M Graham and Holbein versions so I wouldn't run out. I got 2 tubes of M Graham and 2 tubes of Holbein with the base of PO48. There's some colors that I just can't do without on my palette. Anthraquinone Scarlet I got like 5 tubes of, Anthraquinone Blue (The old version) I stocked up on too. I'm not some hoarder, but I just don't want to do without in my range. When I eventually run out of PO48 based Quin Gold will be a sad day, but at least I can mix it. Color mixing is fun and weird.

[@NanaBeth1]

Guess who just purchased their first PO49! I love the yellow is washes out to. Jackson's order arrived last Friday-21 days!

[@shadowguard3578]

Interesting, how did you buy it?

[@NanaBeth1]

@@shadowguard3578 Since I have not heard back from the vendor, not looking good that I did.

[@shadowguard3578]

@@NanaBeth1 oh no! If the seller can’t deliver I hope you get your money back.

[@jennw6809]

Great video! I came back to watercolor after PO49 was long gone. I have used various hues and I have a PO 49 from Dan Barrett. I guess it's not quite the same as the old DS color. I totally missed the PY129 and PR122 mix in Jay's video. That makes sense. It's a very yellow green and a very purple red, so they are near compliments.

[@blackpoppymagazine]

Wow that was sooo helpful! I havent seen anyone on youtube going into mixtures like this, and how to make it yourself, i love that! Thats a great niche idea for your channel and an eduction for us about the paints we are using, esp when many are trying to stay on the non toxic to planet side of things! Thanks so much, new subscriber from London!

[@PaintinHiding]

thank you so much for your kind words :) i'll keep that in mind :)

[@LowKey_izildura]

Among things that make me happy upon coming home from a long trip is a stack of videos awaiting for me)) Good to be back, yay!! I love the mix you made!

[@PaintinHiding]

welcome hoooomeeeee!! me too~ i haven't been anywhere but i'm so behind on so much content ;P

[@LowKey_izildura]

@@PaintinHiding thank you, Vee))) Well, I guess it`s a hard work, but I love Your content! x

[@shadowguard3578]

I returned to watercoloring after a gap of 25 to 30 years. The number of brands and pigments were a complete surprise to me. I discovered quin gold after the pigment was discontinued. So I bought the DS quin gold hue and honestly I don’t have any use for it… yet!!! I bought it because some artists on YT mentioned it and in hindsight I think that probably wasn’t the best reason to buy it LOL. I thought I would use it to makes various mixes. Well I’m still trying to figure out how to use it. 🥴

[@bazutaartstudio]

I started with Daniel Smith's original PO49 and fell in love so when I heard the pigment was running out I went around to my local art stores and picked up 4 tubes so I luckily have not run out yet lol. Daniel Smith's PO49 is actually pretty close to the DS Quinn. gold hue (if maybe a little deeper in tonne) but without the vivd yellow undertone that happens with PY150. It's interesting how different Nightshades vrs is. Thanks for sharing your results.

[@stereodreamer23]

I have always loved the original PO49 Quin Gold, and was VERY sad to see it go. I haven't had a tube of it for years, and have been looking for a source. Thanks for telling us about "Nightshade". I've just ordered several pans, and that should last me for a good long time. Thanks for helping me get my Quin Gold fix!

[@PaintinHiding]

ohhh!!! that makes me so happy to hear u were able to get some PO49! 😆❤️ i know u just made an order with nightshade but another source is Prodigal Son’s Pigments (on IG and etsy i believe) i’ll be swatching that one in the near future 😊

[@PaintinHiding]

@@stereodreamer23 oh my, i wonder if it's because of the weekend. but yay! i'm glad you have options :D

[@susanavenir]

Really informative - thank you!

[@PaintinHiding]

my pleasure :D

[@ari_9354]

I really like the holbein one which is nice since i don’t have to pay too much for the color, its funny since holbein doesn’t have the single pigment version of PO48 or PY150, oh that mix of PY129 and PR122 especially the redder hues are so pretty i might invest in both but i’m not at the time for buying more paint then what I already have. I actually got a dot sample of quin gold by daniel smith and when i painted it its much browner than the holbein one, i think i actually got a genuine sample of PO49 the color when diluted doesn’t have a glow like a PY150 would its very earthy yellow, probably this is why so many people love the original quin gold ?

[@PaintinHiding]

OH! ur right! i didn't notice til now that holbein doesn't have PY150! and yes, i think that may very well be possible u got the PO49 then. because there's definitely no mistakinng PY150 when diluted.

[@everartokelli]

I love PO49, especially for making luminous greens, and I still have two tubes each of DS Quin Gold and of DS Quin Gold Deep. I like the new DS Quin Gold Deep hue, because the PY150 doesn't get as neon yellow as other Quin Gold hues I've tried. That's the problem with switching to a hue for me, the PY150 (a pigment I love in other cases) keeps the hues from performing the same way as PO49 and from looking as natural. But I'm sure I could adjust when I finally use up my stash, and will try to make my own mixes. However, I plan to stock up on PO48 and PR206 before they go, as they're both very useful pigments like PO49. A note about the handmade versions of PO49 that I've seen--I think they use the Guerra Paints pigment which is a little different than the DS version, they seem browner in mass tone, but the undertone seems similar to DS PO49. But I'm mostly basing this on KZbin videos, haven't seen them in person, so hard to know for sure.

[@PaintinHiding]

a lot of useful info here. thanks for sharing everart!

[@JorjaZanetta]

I absolute ADORE the Windsor & Newton quinacridone gold...it's one of my 5 favourite colours.

[@PaintinHiding]

definitely a beautiful colour 😍

[@patti3d]

Never had the original O49, so I like the DS version which I have. I also have QOR Quin gold which has the same pigments as DS. I love QOR paints.

[@Wendy8888]

I was thinking during the video that PY129 might be a good base for quin gold but wasn't expecting a mix with PR122. I'm gonna try that.

[@Mlle_Bleue]

I was never a big PO49 user, but I never liked the hues. Brands do a good job of copyingthe mass tones, but PY150 just takes over when diluted, and I hate that. I have a small hoard of PO49 for the future.

[@PaintinHiding]

that's very true. PY150 is quite overpowering. not a PO49 user yet you have a small stash? a true watercolourist i see! :D

[@Mlle_Bleue]

@@PaintinHiding I should be more precise: I don't use it as is at all, and I don't keep it on my palette, but I do make greens with it when doing realistic landscapes. I'm more of an abstract landscape myself

[@PaintinHiding]

@@Mlle_Bleue i see! that's very cool to know, thanks for sharing! :)

[@everartokelli]

Wish I'd seen this comment before I said basically the same thing :) Agree, PY150 is a wonderful pigment for many things, but it is a bit of a bully wet in wet. It has a neon glow, which is different from the lovely, soft PO49 glow.

[@WatercolorElisabetta]

Hello! Great video here, quinacridone Gold (hue) is one of my favourite colours! I have different brands (Sennelier and Schminke ) to begin with, and I love them ALL!! Thank you for this video ! Elisabetta

[@PaintinHiding]

thank you so much Elisabetta~ 🥰

[@GemukiDev]

I wonder it mixing po48 with a transparent py43 or 42 or even a raw sienna pbr7 would make a better match for the original since the py150 is so overpowering.

[@PaintinHiding]

i've tried and it really doesn't work. because PO49 has a more yellow glow than PO48. when i mixed it with a non-glowy earth yellow, it just didn't work the same. great minds think alike though! ;D

[@GemukiDev]

@@PaintinHiding interesting, I'll have to make some tests! ;)

[@hannahthufvesson]

Maybe Rembrandt's PY128 could work? It mixes very cleanly and brightly, but without the acidity of PY150. The downside for me is that it's very glossy.

[@monsoon_magic2874]

Rosa Gallery's Quinacridone Gold Hue actually tries this. It uses PY151, PR264, and PY42. Sadly, I think, the product is not that desirable.

[@GemukiDev]

@@monsoon_magic2874 oh! Why is not desirable?

[@reneaclark7689]

I got into watercolor after po49 went off the market, however, I was gifted a bunch of older daniel smith paints about 3 months in. In there was a tube of quin gold po49 as well as sap green original po49 and pg7. Both are gorgeous. For me none of the hues are quite the same but I tend to like po48 versions better than other mixes. Now with po48 going off market I am starting to worry that burnt orange shade won'tbe easily replaced either, for me it is the only orange on my palette and irreplaceable. PO49 mixes quite differently than mixes with py150... impo.

[@awatercolourist]

Great video!

[@PaintinHiding]

thank you!

[@VickyFlint]

The genuine pigment just looks like Burnt Sienna on your swatch sheet IMO - strange that it was so revered to me :)

[@PaintinHiding]

yeah it's really dark. apparently nightshade used quin gold deep, so it's darker tthan regular quin gold.

[@creativecolours2022]

Hi there! Almost all of the mixes that are marketed as a replacement for the original PO49 pigment are wrong. PO49 was an orange and as such had a more orange -ish undertone and not a bright yellow one that in the hue mixes is made by the PY150 mid but very bright yellow. You can see better this if you remake the gradient swatches in wet on wet manner. Prewet your paper and then apply the colour in order to have a more even spread of the tints. The closest match to the original PO49 pigment that I managed to mix by other colours was a mix 2:1 of PR101 ( transparent red oxide or W&N B. Sienna that is the same) with Azo Yellow PY129 and that because PY129 is not so bright as the PY150, it is more muted with a slightly greenish undertone ( blue+ yellow in other words) that mutes the orange -ish PR101 and brings it closer to the hue of the PO49. PY150 is the most irrelevant pigment that those who made the Q. Gold replacement hue could ever use. It is completely irrelevant. I don't even know how they came up with the idea to use it in the first place.

[@SuperExadidas]

Thank you….very good comparison!

[@PaintinHiding]

glad you found it useful! :D

[@jengoodwyn2715]

I have the White Nights Indian Gold and have never used the original PO 49, and don't really like yellow anyway, except for mixing, so i'm not bothered. But I live watching your comparison videos.

[@inger_musicart5620]

My White Nights indian gold has not cured properly either, and I am definitely not in hot and humid climate here in Sweden. I think I poured it last summer. Not a big problem for me but it is soft and sticky. Use it quite a lot

[@PaintinHiding]

oh wow! i did NOT think it wouldn't dry even in sweden. so fascinating! thanks for sharing Inger :D

[@TheNighthorn]

I think the mix of PR122 and PY129 has the rights to call itself as Quin Gold as they are Quinacridone Magenta and Green Gold. The only reason White Nights doesn't label the paint as Quin Gold is because it doesn't contain Quinacridone at all. If I remember correctly, Winsor Newton also plan to rename their Quin Gold due to pigment change caused by discontinuity of PR206.

[@PaintinHiding]

oh you're right!!! i didn't even think about guin magenta + green gold could be called quin gold , NICE!

[@PinkWytchBytch]

Hey ironically I recently received a tube of the Daniel Smith of this color! It really spreads, more so than most! One dip of the brush and I have SO MUCH COVERAGE 😆 (I’ve noticed Quin. Colors don’t take much to get aloooot of paint mixed up, perhaps that’s bc they’re ground up a bit more when made?)

[@PaintinHiding]

ahh yes. i don't believe it's the way they're ground up. it's just the property of Quinacridone paints. Quins as well as Phthalos (PB15, PB16, PG7, PG36, etc) are naturally higher-tinting when compared to other pigments. Viridian PG18 is an example of a pigment that is low-tinting. No matter how much to scrub the paint, it'll feel like there's hardly any pigment at all.

[@PinkWytchBytch]

@@PaintinHiding Oh that’s actually very interesting, and oh my god yes, pthalo greens especially I’ve had those go and go. Even if they stain everything they get on (rip to the whites of my brush bristles lol)

[@PaintinHiding]

@@PinkWytchBytch yep! so if you're watching watercolour youtubers, and they say "high-tinting" or "strong-tinting" that's what they mean. and "low-tinting" means that they don't produce much colour. :) after a while, you'll also learn than cobalt colours like PB28, PG50, etc have the characteristic of being opaque. things like that. that's what makes watercolour so fun!

[@nguyengia1401]

@@PaintinHiding Once you get in the rabbit hole of watercolour pigments, you can't get out hahahaha.

[@SuperExadidas]

QOR Quin Gold is nice.

[@jmoss55ish]

I had Daniel Smith’s original Quin Gold but it wasn’t long before the new version came out. My understanding is that the recipe was reworked because they could no longer get PO49. If the reason was true, how can Nightshade have PO49?

[@everartokelli]

It's about quantity, any paint manufacturer that sells to major retailers needs to buy a large quantity--and current price might be an issue too. The big chemical companies that made this synthetic pigment are no longer making it. Guerra Paints still sells the PO49 pigment for paint makers, I'm not sure if it's because they bought a stash before it was discontinued, or if they have a way of making it on a small scale. Would love someone who knows about the chemical makeup and process for making PO49 to chime in :)

[@silkeschumann7261]

You either have a color shift in the video or I would describe the diluted Nightshade PO49 as a peach, so a pastel orange. But then I'm from Germany and Germans tend to have orange shades range further into yellow than English native speaker and less into red, where we would classify a color as red, I hear native English speaker still talk of an orange value. So it just may be a cultural difference. :)

[@PaintinHiding]

hi silke! :D oh wow, i didn't know germans have such a wide range of oranges, that's news to me, fascinating!

[@creativesolutions902]

Thanks! This really helped me decide, I actually like Winsor Newton’s version the best because that’s what I consider to be a true “gold“… The others are very very close to burnt orange and I already have that pigment… Which I hear is going to also be discontinued! So sad :-(I do like collecting single pigments, to have a variety even if they may be considered the same colors. for example Quinn lilac and Quinn magenta from Daniel Smith are very different pigments, but similar colors. Thanks again!

[@PaintinHiding]

glad it was useful! :D

[@gila1959]

Suprb color. All of them simply great color , shade.

[@Renilou2]

I have both Quinacridone Gold and Quinacridone Gold Deep by Daniel Smith that is both made from the original pigment PO49. Got them years ago. The true PO49 pigment can vary from a warmer to cooler version. My PO49 Quin Gold by DS actually looks more like Winser & Newtons mix. My DS "Quin Gold Deep'" looks more like the one you have.

[@PaintinHiding]

that is sooo good to know, thank you so much for the clarification Renee! 😄👍🏻 i guess i would’ve been more into the regular PO49 and not the deep version. 🤗

[@savantbleu0250]

Hello! How did you get the nightshade quin gold? I've checked their website and they only ship to North America and Europe. They don't ship to Asia. Would really like to know, thank you!

[@PaintinHiding]

my friend in the states bought it and then sent it to me. :) thanks for commenting!

[@markyteo]

Might be my eyes but the third mix from the right seems to look more like the PO49?

[@PaintinHiding]

this was a long time ago so i dont quite remember. it’s possible that it was more “red” looking at it IRL vs on screen.

[@irritatedlibrarian9057]

I absolutely adore the white Nights version. And from comparisons I've seen the original quin gold people loved by Daniel Smith was more yellowish than the PO 49 you have.

[@PaintinHiding]

that's very interesting! i guess like with most pigments, PO49 can and most likely also have variations too.

[@jennw6809]

@@PaintinHidingI have heard the same thing, the pigment has some variation, and the DS version was a bit different than what we see here. I have a PO 49 from Dan Barrett here on KZbin -- he has a great comparison video between his and DS, and maybe some other colors too.

[@carlamariestudios]

How would you compare Quinacridone Gold to Transparent Yellow oxide? (Both daniel smith)

[@PaintinHiding]

quin gold is transparent, has a glow to it and is more vibrant whereas TYO has no glow, is more earthy, and granulates(flocculates)

[@carlamariestudios]

Thank you!@@PaintinHiding

[@christianebehr138]

I use schmincke 😊❤

[@cisp360]

Not sure why so many people feel crazy about this color. It looks just like another variation of PR101 to me.

[@PaintinHiding]

i think there's just a large number of people who are particular with their preference for a colour of this hue. personally i'm fine mixing it myself

[@vasileiosdervenis5331]

Hello great video!The thing that you've gotten wrong(please forgive me for saying that)and not only you, but everyone else who has used this version of PO49 that you have, is that it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the PO49 that Daniel Smith used to have.What ''Handprint'' has mentioned for the mix of PY129 and PR122 is that it creates a similar hue to the D.S's version and not to the one you (and everyone else,handmade brand or not) has!I am really sorry to say, that neither the hue nor the mixing properties of this PO49 come even close to the D.S.'s version.I am not saying that this is a bad thing or that it is a bad paint, BUT the thing that really,really anoys me is that every single one of theese ''new handmade brands'' on Etsy and everywhere else who ofcourse uses the PO49 you have, even though they are very well aware of that fact, they don't even mention it and even when asked they somehow avoid a direct answer!The video you created is great and very well made, i just wanted to clarify a few things so that other people will be made aware of it!

[@PaintinHiding]

i dont believe i made any comparisons to the original PO49 by daniel smith because I don't have that one. if i did and triggered something, i do apologize. I've never tried po49 by DS nor other PO49s when they were more affordable. it's also not a colour i use very often so my expertise may be lacking. hopefully people would just use this video as comparison references. again, sorry if i misspoke anywhere in the vid, thanks for being polite in your way of pointing out. i do appreciate that. have a great weekend!

[@vasileiosdervenis5331]

​@@PaintinHiding God no, i didn't say that you made comparisons to the D.S' s version, the one and only thing you have gotten ''wrong'' is that the mix of PY129 and PR122 from Handprint website was referring to the PO49 from Daniel Smith and not the one you have. You have nothing to apologize for and forgive me if my comment made you feel like you should!Your video just presented an oportunity for me to clarify a few things about (like i wrote) EVERY SINGLE ONE of those new handmade brands that are selling the version you have (which is the only availaible by the way) and advertising it like the ''original'' version from D.S. It may be the ''original'' version of the pigment from the Du Pont Company but again NOTHING similar to the D.S.' s version

[@JessicaCEP]

I tried to buy from nightshade…they took my money and never sent anything…do not recommend them…

[@PaintinHiding]

whaaaat really?! no wayyy! that sucks, i'm sorry u had to experience that. i just swatched out prodigal sons in my recent-ish vid. i much prefer that one.

[@keepyourshoesathedoor]

…I don’t like PO49 and I wish I didn’t listen to some of these people and bought it. I love PY150 and PO48 but not really together unless I make it myself. I bought it so I could feel more distinguished but after a while it wasn’t crap to me and I actually didn’t like the color. Some people make it pretty but it’s not worth it on my art.

[@Finkeldinken]

I am sure you can sell it to someone who will be thrilled to have it, and have money for more of what you like!