You guys have no idea the extent we went through to raise Stoneheart from her watery grave. But now she has awakened to seek her vengeance! Apologies for the slightly lower quality in this episode we have severe rendering issues with this one! I apologize for the slightly blurry quality of this one.
@taylorrodrigs20224 жыл бұрын
Love your work man!
@joshputman42654 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the hard work!!!
@wisdommanari67014 жыл бұрын
Jon can just warg himself back into his body. Or just puppet the body From Ghost. Mel isn't needed really. But I love how George specially says that his heart isn't beating and his blood isn't flowing. Because that's means no Jon/Danny Baby Thank you God for that. Quin the Cousin killing thing was a show only invention
@electrikjimmy6084 жыл бұрын
Hey bud. It's all top notch. I really appreciate all the work that goes into these videos.
@briceslorene87604 жыл бұрын
Good job and thank you for your service
@EvanSol9194 жыл бұрын
Personally I would love Lady Stoneheart to have a reunion with Littlefinger.
@stevesamana3044 жыл бұрын
She's going to reject him in death as she did in life
@kingxerocole46164 жыл бұрын
It's the only thing he could not possibly prepare for, and it will be his demise.
@DavidLightbringer4 жыл бұрын
oooh this is almost too much to hope for!!
@sabrinakrisb46724 жыл бұрын
This just made my draw drop
@sabrinakrisb46724 жыл бұрын
This would fit into how he seems like he thinks that there is nothing that he cant predict or will. Chaos is a ladder but his ladder is going to fall when undead Catelyn aims her hate and vengeance at him. I don't think George is going to let any of his characters actually become the Gods they want to become.
@kylez90944 жыл бұрын
Michelle Fairley would have been a BAD ASS stoneheart... Probably the biggest cut character/storyline imo
@Actiomedey4 жыл бұрын
It's hard to say without knowing how it's gonna play out but fAegon may be even bigger.
@kylez90944 жыл бұрын
@@Actiomedey yeah, but with show restrictions and all, it seems like keeping Michelle (fan fav) interacting with characters that are already introduced would have made more sense than a half assed Dorne or Iron Islands. I agree fAegon might be more important to the endgame, but it would have taken a lot of work just to introduce it
@praetorxyn4 жыл бұрын
The show went out of its way to make Cat likable. In the books... she's not. That woman fucks up everything she touches. Reading her chapters is ilke reading Cersei's; they're both really stupid people who think they're really smart.
@naimaahmed97304 жыл бұрын
praetorxyn does she fuck up everything tho I mean she makes dumb decisions she’s clearly very impulsive but unlike Cersei she regrets some of her dumb decisions like taking Tyrion where as Cersei thinks she always right and that nothing is her fault and it’s just because she doesn’t have a cock
@kylez90944 жыл бұрын
I mean I personally dont like Cat either but stoneheart is the big turn around to make her full circle (at least I hope)
@unrulycrow62994 жыл бұрын
The sad detail about Lady Stoneheart's appearance is her damaged hair imo. The Tully auburn hair are said to be beautiful in the books iirc, and she has lost even that - it's very interesting considering the sociological importance hair tend to have, especially for women. We even see it in-story with the Dothrakis and their bells in the braids, or the Meereenese styling their hair in extravagant shapes. But even one of Catelyn's prettiest physical attributes, her beautiful auburn hair, have been lost. I don't why, but this part of her physical description really saddened me the first time I read it. Now, the only thing that really allows other people to properly identify her as Catelyn Tully is her hatred of the Frey and Jaime. There's nothing else. Damn thinking about it all makes me tear up, it's so depressing. Edit: regarding her children, she also embodies the motto of her own family: Family, Duty, Honour. The guilt you suspect would be clearly tied to that: she could perceive a personal failure in her duty to her family, which led to a dishonorable death. Even though she repeatedly warned Robb about Walder Frey, and was furious when he broke the arrangement they had with the Frey, because she knew it'd mean bad shit for them.
@anne-kathrinhohlig14664 жыл бұрын
robbs biggest mistake was that he hadnt said "mayhaps" as he and cat had to deal with walter frey. the importance of mayhaps can be found in acok in a bran pov.
@lastquarter39924 жыл бұрын
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 interestingly enough, when Walder was asked by Robb for guest rites, he answered "some salt and bread, mayhaps a sausage". You couldn't be more right.
@cjwharton14 жыл бұрын
"they had so many opportunities to show [lady stoneheart] in the show" and instead D&D pissed all over the fans and GRRM's story by showing the Hound literally pissing into the river. smh
@kingxerocole46164 жыл бұрын
that was a major red flag when I learned they didn't include her because they didn't know what to do with her.
@klljjza88034 жыл бұрын
If you watch really carefully, you can *see* Catelyn on the show as Lady Stoneheart, once and not by face. She’s in the background crossing the archway when Bri and Arya are at Winterfell sparring.
@darth8564 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I imagine her looking like a reanimated corpse. Would have been too much effort keep her looking like that all the time
@gavomorg7624 жыл бұрын
@@klljjza8803 its not, its ,littlefinger spy at winterfell, someone e made this comment last year on a A soiaf channel and it was debunked straight away,, I thought it might of been a little Easter egg but its not, sorry
@210SAi4 жыл бұрын
Just one of the many reasons the show is inferior to the books
@TiroX5174 жыл бұрын
Jaime did not kill his own cousin in the books that was a show only thing
@nereus51284 жыл бұрын
Well, Technically he is the reason that his cousin Cleos Frey dies. Even if he didnt intend it. Cleos warns Jaime multiple times to keep his voice down, and Jaime ignores him, leading to the ambushers getting the drop on their party, and resulting in the death of Cleos.
@dragonlord.kingslayer86974 жыл бұрын
Noah David really. Theres a big difference between physically killing someone and having a group of men showering arrows at you
@SuperSpasticNinja4 жыл бұрын
No but he jokes about the unfortunate (pretty hilarious) way he was killed, and then says he has more than enough cousins left when called upon his remarks. So his character was definitely capable of fucking ending Cleos if it earned him a chance of safety and Cersei's twat back
@davidjones2724 жыл бұрын
@Targaryen Dynasty never? Tyrion is pretty much convinced that Jaime would kill lancel as soon as he returned to King's landing. Jaime also shows little regard for wider family members like cleos frey.
@davidjones2724 жыл бұрын
@Targaryen Dynasty I'm just saying that early story Jaime is generally absolutely indifferent to the lives of anybody he has no close connection to. He casually orders the murder of ned stark's guards, and personally kills jory with never a moment of regret, all because it serves his purpose in that moment and because he wanted to make a point. Would that extend to wider family members that he has no connection with? I don't think it's a massive stretch.
@johnlanouette86114 жыл бұрын
Maybe one silver lining in this Corona Virus disaster is that, George RR Martin will have to stay at home and write!
@kawadashogo82584 жыл бұрын
Martin made a blog post a day or two ago saying he's in his mountain cabin writing right now, not going out in public anymore. He said, in his own words, that he's spending more time in Westeros than the real world right now. That is a total silver lining on this pandemic situation.
@opqrrg4 жыл бұрын
So maybe because of the covid 19 he won't be arrested this year!!
@cl95964 жыл бұрын
And he writes another........ tada! Novelette.
@phoenixrising5734 жыл бұрын
GRR Martin has lost ALL interest in the Ice and Fire series, deeming it spoiled beyond redemption by the show. His interest is almost solely in the prequel novellas set in Westeros... I think his contract with his publishers may end up only being fulfilled by writers his Estate Executor hires...
@davidcoleman94584 жыл бұрын
It's sad that Co-vid19 is the only reason we will see A Dream of Spring in this lifetime 😔😔😔
@nolanhollisvonesch39604 жыл бұрын
I agree: I think Jaime will be used to capture Riverrun or, perhaps, gain entry to the Twins where mass carnage will ensue. There, maybe in the chaos of Lady Stoneheart's massacre of the Freys, both will escape or Lady Stoneheart will expire. Also, in the forums online, most people have pointed out that Ice was melted down into two swords: Oathkeeper (Oathbreaker/False Friend) and Widow's Wail--which seem to be symbolical linked to Ned and Catelyn Stark respectively.
@henriquedaumas99344 жыл бұрын
Man I actually dig oathkeeper = Ned. What an amazing character he was
@made-line76274 жыл бұрын
@@henriquedaumas9934 And what a banshee Catelyn was
@paolabruno44374 жыл бұрын
Yes, i agree. Also it would make sense to send someone after Sansa I think in the end ir will be Nymeria who ends with Stoneheart and Melissandre who gets stabbed in the heart to light Lightbringer.
@princeprocrastinate64854 жыл бұрын
This storyline is the most mysterious to me as I really can't puzzle out where this particular plot is going, which makes it all the more intriguing.
@doctorajaguar4 жыл бұрын
I need to read again the books and erase the show from my memory. Thank you so much guys for this series. I am so excited for the new book WoW. I hope we can read it soon :)
@DavidLightbringer4 жыл бұрын
definitely the goal of this!
@tylernelson49014 жыл бұрын
Lucifer means Lightbringer I’m halfway thru Storm as I watch this. Damn I love that book. Maybe my favorite novel of all time
@diegoolivaresgonzalez424 жыл бұрын
GRRM said that the Coronavirus is helpimg him and also has promised to have it writen for the Worldcon
@billybobsac44213 жыл бұрын
@@tylernelson4901 a clash of king my favorite,dance of dragon is very close but it second for me the storm of swords is third the game of throne then finally a feast for crows is last for me
@MartinSicilia-hl1oi4 жыл бұрын
If I’m not mistaken Brienne’s arm is broken on top all the other injuries sustained with biter. Not sure how her character Arc can continue in the time frame we have left, I think she’s on the chopping block, somehow dying for/in place of Jamie. GRRM will be cutting POV’s to condense the story for ADOS.
@Rastafaustian4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Dondarrion's final act wasn't selfless or merciful at all, but what he thought was a way to escape. But what if he was wrong? What if instead of freeing his soul he is now trapped with what ever was left of Catelyn to create Stoneheart, a soul consuming eternal flame that grows more powerful every time it enters a new host?
@jonhauge-evaldsson7834 жыл бұрын
Oh My fucking God I love that! Have you seen lml's last video Dragomorph? What if the thing they transfer is really a firewyrm parasite! Feasing on their souls and flesh alike!
@mohammodc4 жыл бұрын
Stoneheart's inaudible speech, as a result of her throat being slashed and therefore needing the Brotherhood to translate, can be contrasted with the Other's speech who sound like crackling ice and therefore bringing it back to the theme of Fire and Ice.
@Mandolin5234 жыл бұрын
The best way to get through Corona Spring Break XL 2020.... this series.
@frakkintoasterluvva79204 жыл бұрын
Jaime didn't kill his cousin. That only happened in the show.
@frakkintoasterluvva79204 жыл бұрын
@@thedornishmanswife3712 How does he "let" him die? Cleos got killed. There's nothing Jaime could have done about it. What was there to "let"?!
@yellowisksheppard88894 жыл бұрын
Human bites are disgusting.. my grandpa had a bite on his arm from decades ago and it would still flair up or break out randomly. Don’t bite people it’s gross.
@personofnoimportance55904 жыл бұрын
🤢🤢
@made-line76274 жыл бұрын
Plus it's really rude.
@z12054 жыл бұрын
Human bites are the worst kind of bite. Super infectious.
@elilastnamington98084 жыл бұрын
By announcing the plan to kill Jamie, it’s almost certain he will live.
@christophertracy71364 жыл бұрын
Jaime will probably kill Cersei in the Books unlike the bricks that killed both. Anticlimactic.
@Snakie7474 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see the North story lines represented by this series of predictive videos. The videos thus far have been awesome, but I've definitely most been looking forward to Stannis and the Battle of Ice, Mance Rayder, Wyman Manderly, the rescue mission on Skagos, etc. Winterfell right now is at least as intriguing as Old Town and Meereen, at least in my opinion.
@Lifad20114 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I think its awesome how all of these different plotlines are interesting for such different reasons. This is why I love ASOIAF!!!
@Activated_Complex4 жыл бұрын
Meereen was interesting when Dany got there. That was 20 years ago.
@teese16304 жыл бұрын
i wanna know what they speculate jons unfinished business will be when hes a fyre wight
@teese16304 жыл бұрын
@@Activated_Complex open your viens in a bathtube before you go to sleep tonight
@garrettbaratheon5674 жыл бұрын
Snakie same. I’m biased as fuck because he’s by far my favorite but I really feel like Stannis is one of the biggest wildcards for the series, right up there with Euron
@albdamned5774 жыл бұрын
Ok let me clear it up: Podrick was hung, they were hanged...
@DavidLightbringer4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU, I was so confused
@reignorshine.4 жыл бұрын
Pod wasn't hung, he just had a good singing voice
@jcrb88944 жыл бұрын
Best comment by far
@marijkecuffe54884 жыл бұрын
Podrick "The Tripod" Payne
@markersandtea4 жыл бұрын
@@DavidLightbringer Hung is used as the past tense/participle of hang for everything but in reference to a person being killed via hanging which is when you should use hanged.
@dionysus6027 Жыл бұрын
her description is so haunting and it really reminds me of a weirwood, white skin with eyes crying blood and a blood smile - a slit throat can be known as a blood smile, and the description of slashing her throat "ear to ear" invokes images of a smile. also the fact that she is the walking personification of hatred may be a bit of foreshadowing of how the weirwoods and the gods they draw from truly feel, considering blood raven thought euron to be a decent choice for wizard school I don't think they're particularly moral
@josephedwardsarena94874 жыл бұрын
My favorite valyrian steel sword is dark sister.
@DavidLightbringer4 жыл бұрын
George said recently Bloodrven took it with him to the Wall, so it might be in the cave for Meera to take home yeah baby!
@reignorshine.4 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah, I like lady forlorn for no particular reason just like the name
@josephedwardsarena94874 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah can't wait to see her put to good use
@BionicleSaurus4 жыл бұрын
I think I'm a Longclaw guy.
@billybobsac44213 жыл бұрын
@@BionicleSaurus blackfyre am I joke to you?? 😂😂😂
@chunkypythagoras17324 жыл бұрын
As soon as Stoneheart failed to show up in season 4 I knew GOT was doomed. No exaggeration. To make such a colossal error as to cut what is by far one of the most extreme, wondrous, and earth-shattering twists in the entire story is inexcusable and immediately revealed D&D to be sub-par showrunners
@carmina-solis10 ай бұрын
imagine how good it would have been, seeing Michelle in that makeup after a full YEAR of thinking she was dead and gone (i mean, i knew about stoneheart at that point but a lot of people had no idea). i have no idea why they cut her, their excuses seem so flimsy. she’s absolutely incredible, and i would have loved to have Michelle back, even as a far more silent figure. she proved how much she can do with body and face alone.
@Dani_10127 ай бұрын
Their next mistake was also omitting fAegon from the show, another COLOSSAL mistake
@mgtmoviemaker4 жыл бұрын
Love this so much and the stone heart arc. I will say the bit about her hair being cut is also a typical trauma response. Your mind typically goes to something frivolous to divert from what's truly happening. It's possible she went to that place of what Ned loved about her to preserve some part of her sanity which is why shes able to laser focus on who has wronged her when she comes back. Stone heart is callous but she does her vengeance in a very calculated and thought out manner.
@MotherBra1n4 жыл бұрын
oh my god that intro gave me PTSD from the intro to "The Bells", you know that pathetic tactic they used to try to convince us that it's totally within character for Daenerys to murder a million innocent civilians for no reason whatsoever. It made me shudder.
@christophertracy3834 жыл бұрын
They did my Dragon Queen so dirty! Jon should have been a snack 4 Drogon. Her burning King's Landing was so unlike her and that stupid speech! I felt bad 4 Kit and Emilia when they read the script. He was driven 2 drink. What he did wasn't honorable! The worst thing U can be in Westeros is a kinslayer and Queenslayer.
@theinvisiblewoman67834 жыл бұрын
Forget the show. I drank white walker shots all through season 8 because I had to get drunk to sit through it.
@nottodaybucko4 жыл бұрын
daenarys is gonna do the same thing in the books lol it’s evident in the text already. just u wait
@cookiesboi53 жыл бұрын
@@theinvisiblewoman6783 I literally got sick when watching the battle for winterfell. A deadly combination of disappointment, disgust and drunkenness.
@lubyelfears4 жыл бұрын
I've read this series so many times, and I have genuinely never thought about the fact that the Brienne that turns up in Pennytree might be a wight! Honestly blew my mind. Great video, guys!
@thisguy81064 жыл бұрын
Jamie didn't kill his cousin in the books. I hate that they added that in the show.
@anonakkor95034 жыл бұрын
Its so Long that i had read acok, how was it in the book?
@anonakkor95034 жыл бұрын
I know that he didnt kill cleos, he dies later.. But did kill he someone Other?
@krisp57354 жыл бұрын
@@anonakkor9503 he killed one of Karstarks sons
@user-element1154 жыл бұрын
He did nothing, since getting there Tyrion sent people to free him once but they failed. Cleos later gets shot with an arrow.
@amatthew12314 жыл бұрын
@@krisp5735 Jaime killed both the Karstarks sons in battle, and a Hornwood as he fought his way to Robb. So in the show Jaime does that, and kills his cousins, and as it happens he didn't even fight Ned in the books, he rode off. Killing his cousin and attacking Ned out of vanity in the show really changed Jamie's character, makes him seem way more evil, but they redeem him... Only for him to fall right back to where he started completely relapsing before he dies. It's fucked. I can't seen Martin writing those words, no Jaime's show end is the same as his book end.
@winterchild61204 жыл бұрын
We learn in the Varimyr chapter that the "soul" leaves the body upon death, seems to me that the wights are the body without the "soul" that is reanimated, and with the fire wights it's their fiery emotions that animates them, and that is why they are lesser and lesser. It's like the emotion stays and calls the "soul" back, but the longer the body has been dead the more the "soul" has become a part of the world. Could also be why the kiss of life doesn't always work, unless some big burning emotion is there, there is nothing to animate you. Ps. I think the show has muddied the waters a lot, we are told by Thormund that every night new wights are raised from those that die of hypothermia or starvation/sickness, but I really doubt that white walkers are going through the camps raising people. I think that it's a remnant of the magic that created the white walkers that is raising the dead. It also seems to be related to proximity,it's more potent now, but it's implied that the dead rose even when the white walkers were inactive.
@kawadashogo82584 жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree with that. I don't think Jon's resurrection will be the same as Beric's or Catelyn's because Jon hasn't actually died; his consciousness has transferred to Ghost. Catelyn and Beric were completely dead, consciousness and all, and were reanimated. But Jon is still there, he's just in his wolf. So I think it will be different with him, I think he'll retain more of himself.
@winterchild61204 жыл бұрын
I think you are right, Jon won't be the same, it's gonna be interesting to see if that will affect his body, or it will be the same as Berricks. No healing, fire blood and so on.
@whitleypurnell56134 жыл бұрын
It would definitely be a very Arthurian nod if Azor Ahai (whether that be Jamie, Brienne, or another character) had to pull "lightbringer" from Stoneheart's stone of a heart to set it alight. I could definitely see GRRM doing that. As, you said, she is a fire wight now and Beric could set his sword on fire using his blood. Plus it was said that Nissa Nissa's "blood, soul, strength, and courage" all went into lightbringer to light it aflame. If Stoneheart was killed I could see her passing on her "kiss of life" and fire to the sword. I do hope that she gets the knowledge that her children are still alive before that happens though. I could see Stoneheart even sacrificing herself if she knew that even one of her children were alive and lightbringer would keep them safe.
@mangostripes23353 жыл бұрын
It would be even better if Jon had to do it. Catelyn’s hate for him in life could be resolved in her death.
@PedroLucas-mg5je2 жыл бұрын
@@mangostripes2335 It would've be incredible if Cat ends up being Jon's Nissa Nissa!
@carmina-solis10 ай бұрын
i had never even considered that… that’s such a cool idea. there are so many great ways for Lightbringer to be forged, i genuinely can’t wait to see where it actually goes, and hoping he’s not going for the super obvious “jon kills his aunt-lover” (blech)
@stevengarman4848 Жыл бұрын
The appearance of Lady Stone heart at the end of "A Storm of Swords" was definitely a "what in the world" moment.
@chakka30004 жыл бұрын
When Stoneheart (Catelyn’s corpse) is floating down the river, the passage says the “(R)eeds bowed down”. Do you think this implies House Reed may eventually come to a call or swear swords for Lady Stoneheart for some cause in TWoW?
@kawadashogo82584 жыл бұрын
I don't think so honestly. Lady Stoneheart is singularly focused on getting her revenge on Houses Frey and Lannister, especially Frey, and House Reed has nothing to do with any of that, they have no reason to get involved in that conflict, especially for a dead woman. A woman who, it's worth noting, wasn't even actually a Stark, but a Tully who only married into House Stark. I don't think Stoneheart will ever have anything to do with anyone in the North again. She's a walking abomination so she can't ever come out into the open and no house is ever going to follow her. I think House Reed will become important in the future, but it won't have anything to do with Lady Stoneheart. I think that line about the reeds was just what it looks like, just a line. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
@made-line76274 жыл бұрын
Thankyou! I've asked that before and I'm glad someone else thought so. It ain't *too* crazy
@cruddddddddddddddd4 жыл бұрын
I love the wolf POVs as well. Jack London actually did that pretty well also, telling the story from an animal’s viewpoint. White Fang is a really great, quick read.
@justinpachi37074 жыл бұрын
Man this channel is churning out content left and right. I can barely keep up! Keep up the good work guys. I'm so glad I discovered your channels after the show ended. I felt kinda burned by the show but after seeing your analysis of the books, it got me to read them gaining a better appreciation for them.
@NoSageMeadow Жыл бұрын
"Her jaws closed around a pale, white arm." You know what else is a pale, white arm? Dawn, the sword of the morning.
@ShockinglyAverageApex4 жыл бұрын
This series is so dope. Normally not my type of thing to watch but I've watched every episode within hours of them coming out. Amazing job guys you should definitely team up more or even make a joined channel
@tabulldog27434 жыл бұрын
I honestly don't know why, but I'm picturing Lady Stoneheart storming Riverrun with the Brotherhood Without Banners being a lot like Anakin storming the Jedi Temple with the 501st. - both got hoods - both are driven by hatred - both are storming the place they knew of as home for many years of their lives - both become dark shadows of their former selves All we need is Jedi Temple March playing, and you've got a spectacular visual going on lol
@PedroLucas-mg5je2 жыл бұрын
I like to compare Catelyn to Anakin and Jon Snow to Sasuke, a golden boy or girl and a outcast with an god-like bloodline growing more and more ruthless and violent due to the trauma and losses they went through!
@nont184112 жыл бұрын
@@PedroLucas-mg5je Plus, Jon is also a fire zombie like Catelyn
@KingOfWinter4 жыл бұрын
Loved the idea that Breanna the beauty is secretly already a wight. What would be really cool is if they don’t reveal it till way down the line when she is fighting the others or something and something happens where she should have died but you find out she’s safe because she already died or something probably something to do with the cold
@DNotzz4 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys so much, these are so so so so great. And you Quinn were on fire this upload. Best ASOIAF youtube content in years.
@michaelfeeney61084 жыл бұрын
I’ve only read the first two books (I’ve seen the entire show)and you two are making me want to continue on NOW. I don’t want to be like everyone else and wait for book 6, damnit! Quit making awesome videos.
@donaldjgumpofficial57544 жыл бұрын
Books 3, 4, and 5 are better than 1 and 2 in my opinion. I read through them in about 6 weeks while I read through the first 2 in 3 months.
@210SAi4 жыл бұрын
Donald J Gump Official really? I felt a Feast for Crows kind of was just a bunch of additional information not much action
@TheeAmethystEmpress65894 жыл бұрын
If she had stayed in Winterfell, or even done any of the 5 commands Ned gave her when she left King's Landing, perhaps none of this would have happened. She must feel guilt over that.
@cristiansaucedo47074 жыл бұрын
Only at the third book, but it sounds like she does feel guilty. :/
@josephsmith67774 жыл бұрын
U should check out green hands why catlyn sucks
@davidcoleman94584 жыл бұрын
The worst part is she's a Tully who was raised with the house words of FAMILY.DUTY.HONOR and broke all 3 by ignoring Ned's wishes!
@davidcoleman94584 жыл бұрын
@@josephsmith6777 It's a work of art, I never saw it in that light but her and Sansa are AWFUL PEOPLE.
@TheeAmethystEmpress65894 жыл бұрын
@@josephsmith6777 oh I have. They were right on par with my thoughts. I've always thought Cat horrible.
@isabellamego53214 жыл бұрын
I actually see stoneheart as the plot twist after the plot twist. I would never have imagined that cat would be reborn like this pure hatred. I would love to see lady stoneheart and Arya team up in the river lands
@alexiachimciuc31994 жыл бұрын
Hello. If i remember the book the woman is lady Stark, Aryas mother.
@jeremyw.norwood14534 жыл бұрын
@@alexiachimciuc3199 She obviously knows that man, she did say "Cat" being reborn as this hateful thing after all... LoL.
@alexiachimciuc31994 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyw.norwood1453 Oo forgot to put a ? at the end of my sentence.
@ssorvete894 жыл бұрын
Desu that would be so bad, like some sort of buddy cop movie. She's a zombie filled with hatred and with a damn big throat cut, arya should mercy kill her on the spot.
@210SAi4 жыл бұрын
Honesty with 2 books left I’m clueless as to how Arya’s story plays out. She’s so far away from Westeros right now.
@Slickford_IV4 жыл бұрын
This is the best ASOIAF content there is. You two are chocolate and peanut butter. Quality shit.
@edwinvanooijen77494 жыл бұрын
Personally I think Jon is safe. Berric and Cat are not Wargs while Jon is and probably warged into Ghost.
@Zaza-xm6jw4 жыл бұрын
Yes, Jon probably did that. But wasn't the biggest problem with warging that if you stay in the animal you are warging for to long, it can alter your own mental state, even going as far that one might forget you were a human and not an animal. I think Jon will be like LS and be a very transformed character when we get to see him again.
@made-line76274 жыл бұрын
@@Zaza-xm6jw It depends how long he's in Ghost.
@PedroLucas-mg5je2 жыл бұрын
@@made-line7627 I think 3 or 9 days inside Ghost is enough for Jon before resurrection!
@anonakkor95034 жыл бұрын
the epiloge in a storm was one of the best things i have ever read.. catelyn is one of the best and smartes Pov characters in a storm.. she know how the politics work, how the people work
@GretchenLovesBooks4 жыл бұрын
So I just realized how much Brienne's fever reinforces her as a "Good Other" archetype, which makes me wonder about how negative her arc could be moving forward. So much of Brienne's story is about keeping oaths, and now she's in a conflict of oaths: her oath to the living Cat to bring back her daughters, her oath to Jaime to do the same, and now a potential oath to Stoneheart to kill Jaime. I wonder if bringing Jeyne Westerling could soothe the savage beast in Stoneheart---appease her enough to make sure that Brienne doesn't fully undermine her former oaths to Cat and Jaime. I do think that at the end of the day, Brienne will be an oathkeeper, like her sword, it just may come about in an unconventional and kind of heartbreaking way. But I'm concerned for what's going on with her and Jaime.
@zacharygrinacoff95434 жыл бұрын
It's interesting how suddenly Jamie and Brienne both have experience with conflicting oaths and are genuinely troubled by how to uphold them. Sir Barristan's experiences with oaths and his "good other" symbolism are also worth considering!
@treehouse3184 жыл бұрын
you guys are great! thank you for this deep dive into Stoneheart.
@wisdommanari67014 жыл бұрын
Yay back with audio. I think they'll force them to have a trial by combat. A little proxy war that George loves so much. There will probably be a situation where a third force comes upon the cave. That forces them to scatter. All the Crown aligned forces are hunting for them.
@DavidLightbringer4 жыл бұрын
that makes a certain amount of sense... who do you think crashes the party?
@wisdommanari67014 жыл бұрын
@@DavidLightbringer black Walder was tracking after them with some hounds in dance maybe them
@cl95964 жыл бұрын
I think you've missed the trust part. Like how Stoneheart would even have a change of "heart" and give Jaime a quest. She's not Cat that have logic. She's an avatar of vengeance. I can't possibly imagine how Jaime will get out of here. Maybe he could get out (un)alive? I like how you've mentioned Thoros could be the wild card. If the fires reveal that Jaime is needed in the coming great war, maybe... just maybe. There is hope for him.
@coryholibaugh81243 жыл бұрын
Thoros makes sense. Or maybe Jamie can help her get vengeance with the Frays
@dfailsthemost4 жыл бұрын
I like to think that even without Aria influencing her, Nym would still have wanted Cat come chill.
@Young.Supernovas2 жыл бұрын
Jaime is the lion of the prophecy. He will be put to the sword (Oathkeeper). The valonquar is Tyrion. Eventually, Arya will kill LSH with it out of pity, and it will light up.
@tylernelson49014 жыл бұрын
These videos are the light in the darkness that is self-quarantine. Cheers fellas.
@beaufryer20424 жыл бұрын
It’s so good to see the humour and rapport between you two :)
@Sactown154 жыл бұрын
I think it's a real shame they didn't use Stoneheart in the show. Michelle Fairley would have fun with that I think.
@-wghof-97844 жыл бұрын
Didn’t they miss the most obvious foreshadowing in the scene where Catelyn gets pulled out of the water? "The reeds bowed down before it" It being Stonehearts body.
@made-line76274 жыл бұрын
Like, the Reeds as in *Howland Reed* and family?
@Ash.Crow.Goddess4 жыл бұрын
I had that thought. It is too much of a coincidence.
@kerrychristensen72044 жыл бұрын
Well. She is/was Lady Stark 😔
@knivesmillions29134 жыл бұрын
One thing I would like to see is when Cersei is retreating back to Casterly Rock (Aegon takes the throne from her and she's smuggled out of the city by Qyburn) her escort is ambushed by the Brotherhood in the riverlands and Cersei is in the presence of Stoneheart (Jaimie is imprisoned by the Brotherhood at this point) then Stoneheart forces Jaimie to choose who dies Brianne or Cersei.
@donaldjgumpofficial57544 жыл бұрын
That is a good idea.
@moonjelly54 жыл бұрын
The only outcomes I can see coming are all 3 living or Stoneheart dying. Jamie and Brienne have too much left to do. Jaime still needs to kill Cersei and Brienne needs to live so she can write Jaime's entry in the White Book (I know that was a show thing, but that seems too perfect for the romantic Martin to pass up).
@opqrrg4 жыл бұрын
Maybe Jamie will find out that he still loves Cersei like in the show!!
@terlindenconstance74774 жыл бұрын
@@opqrrg If that happens I'm throwing the books into the fire. Jaime has grown too much, became too much of a better man to just go back to Cersei. Unlike in the show, book!Jaime never fully realizes who Cersei is, like he's in full-on denial and he distances himself from her as soon as he opens his eyes to who she really is - "the Queen o' Whores"
@opqrrg4 жыл бұрын
@@terlindenconstance7477 but for me even in the show that choise was retarded (like almost anything happened in the last 2 seasons)!!
@KatieLHall-fy1hw2 жыл бұрын
@@opqrrg booooooo nooooooo 🤣
@tatianasalazar406610 ай бұрын
@@opqrrg I don't think so, book Jaime has been very different from show Jaime
@electrikjimmy6084 жыл бұрын
I'm so excited for this series. I've definitely missed asoiaf videos. Thank you guys so much for this content
@thupple4 жыл бұрын
Not only are these vids just fascinating as all hell, but sometimes you make me laugh so hard I’m cryin.
@aheinrich2535 Жыл бұрын
If Jamie does and is resurrected and becomes vengeful, he possibly tracks down Cersei to fufill the valinqar
@mhorset3 жыл бұрын
Nice, It is amazing how you fluidly interact guys! I always repeat your content and now I get the idea from this talking. First time hearing the background on how Brienne, Jaime and Lady Stoneheart may get a deal
@hansolav59244 жыл бұрын
as I'm sure you've been told already, that is not a 'ghost'. that's what's called a Revenant. a ghost can only haunt. a revenant can avenge.
@carlos313894 жыл бұрын
I love this series you two are doing. Gets me so hyped for twow. Hopefully we will get it one day
@taddawson68dawson684 жыл бұрын
You two together are Amazeballs
@made-line76274 жыл бұрын
So much chem
@ghostface41674 жыл бұрын
I want Arya to meet Stoneheart, i want her to realize what hatred and wish for vengence does to people. Then i want her to kill her mother out of mercy, give up revange, and lead brotherhood.
@kingxerocole46164 жыл бұрын
Whoa, I love this.
@elishaso4 жыл бұрын
yes please!
@Activated_Complex4 жыл бұрын
Agreed, except, not out of mercy. But because the Brotherhood Without Banners took someone from the Many-Faced God. She sets that straight, and in exchange, expects that the remaining names on her list will be saved for her to cross off with Needle. So, not giving up revenge by a long shot. The Brotherhood might follow her, and she might tolerate that because while they are behind her, they cannot get in her way.
@oceanpacific38414 жыл бұрын
Stoneheart wants vengeance because she thinks Arya and Sansa are dead ,if she met up with Aria she would chill out ,maybe
@Activated_Complex4 жыл бұрын
Ocean Pacific I think that would be a moment of constructive, rather than destructive, interference. Though it would certainly bring about plenty of destruction. First of all, upon the Freys. That might take urgent priority over sending R’hllor’s wight back to the Stranger who found her in that river.
@Frznwhrlpll4 жыл бұрын
this is really my favorite combo on m youtube for book content you guys are dope
@ndmitrim19134 жыл бұрын
If Stoneheart wants revenge on those responsible for the red wedding she better keep a noose for herself
@kailenmcauley82164 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys for delivering this high quality content every day. It’s been a well needed distraction from all the coronavirus induced anxiety I’ve been having, not to mention refreshing my brain for WoW.
@armitosmt57534 жыл бұрын
Finally , thank you , this is what I was waiting for
@FVD4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting these brilliantly informative videos together, guys! So many things I've forgotten about which means that I MUST go back and read the books again. Only frustrates me so much how D&D couldn't even think to bring some of these ideas to the screen. So f'n short-sighted they are! 😡 Show could still be going too!
@ferodrigues12114 жыл бұрын
That dream Jaime Had in a ASOS right before saving Brienne in Harrenhal was in a cave remember? Maybe Was some foreshadowing for the Winds.
@jaysheth15414 жыл бұрын
In Show, Jaime Bronn goes to Dorne for Myrcella... But may be it mirrors in the Books with Jaime Brienne going to Vale for Sansa ??? ✨
@fractalclues4 жыл бұрын
Man, these recaps are so, so good. It's been 5yrs since I've read some books
@Grandtemplar3055 ай бұрын
I found ur page when I was at work and was so mad that I didn’t find ur page sooner 🔥💯
@miyoko_174 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I've always wanted/hoped that Lady Stoneheart would be the one to deliver retaliation/vengeance to the Freys + Boltons....bc holy 💩 how epically terrifying for them would that be??! What if Stoneheart is the reason Jaime is compelled to eventually kill Cersei? 😯 (I believe Jaime to be the valonqar, not Tyrion)
@henriquedaumas99344 жыл бұрын
GRRM does like horror novels, soooo...
@Ash.Crow.Goddess4 жыл бұрын
So who is the little sibling in the show? Who killed Cersei? Dani is the best candidate, if you go by the show, alone. Remember, valyrian has all those gender neutral words.
@alexb36044 жыл бұрын
Great deep dive into Stoneheart , certainly one of many omissions with the show that I did not care for , especially such a horror element that GRRM likes to include and just a super intriguing character / arc overall. Definitely will be interesting to see where we go with LS , personally I do not think at their next encounter between LS , Brienne & Jaime will result in any deaths , I just think they all have their own arcs to fulfill a bit further before any type of interruption. Clearly in LS' perspective it does not look good , most of the optics with Brienne and Jaime which I think will result in a quest of proving worth and loyalty. And It does seem much more likely and satisfying that LS will be the one to exact vengeance upon the Freys , just works much better than any other possibility. In terms of her purpose and arc , it does not seem to go much further beyond revenge on the Freys and learning of her children' fates , most of which should be alive and accounted for upon her hearing it , at which point it will be interesting to see how her arc ends. I personally do not subscribe to this she will just fade away once she knows her children are okay theory that some perpetuate. Of course it would be dark and twisted although could be construed as "mercy" and Arya is on the dark and twisted path anyway if she is the one to kill Stoneheart but even for Arya that is a bit extreme. Personally hope it comes from Jaime and Brienne hatching a plan and slaying LS together with their Valyrian steel swords in a figurative reforging / coming together of Ice , that could be an interesting and poetic way if it transpires in such a manner. Either way , very curious and eagerly anticipate to see how LS' arc unfolds in the books and for me it does seem she will have to be taken out at some point , as she is and will further become an out of control abomination that will need to be stopped.
@alibby829914 жыл бұрын
Love you both and all y’all collabs my absolute faves!!
@cowboyoutlaw24444 жыл бұрын
I dig the editing at 5:00 in especially those of us that have heard your tangents before. Not hating I just thought that was so funny because I literally said here we go. I really appreciate the content. Much love LmL
@kasperbmathiassen4 жыл бұрын
I dont think we will see the scene in the cave with all three of them, we will only se how it affected the charecters (or any sidequests they are sent on) George got a lot of practice on writing about the past through the present when he tried out the 5 year gap, and he famously "never throws things away"
@devilsxdancex094 жыл бұрын
I think that because there is another book, besides winds of winter, that they'll all live. Jamie may convince stoneheart that he's changed. It would be nice to have all three still be alive after the cave confrontation.
@evertt73264 жыл бұрын
It's a pleasure to hear you two talk. Thank you so much for these! Xx
@arcajeth6264 жыл бұрын
Jon warging into ghost shows he can live outside his body for quite a while without causing any harm to his soul or mind. We havent seen a warg brought back, it seems likely it would be different than a normal person.
@2009phildo014 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and absolutely loving it! Considered picking up the books again while we’re all stuck in. Cheers guys, keep up the good work!
@coryholibaugh81243 жыл бұрын
I'm just starting book 4 so I feel I'm really diving into a very different lore from the show. Seems book 4 is where things start to really change. Pumped to see what happens with Lady Stoneheart!
@wafflingmean44774 жыл бұрын
I think Thoros will save Jamie. He is very clearly not comfortable with what the Brotherhood Without Banners has become. And there's already a sign his disagreement with this has cost him. He was Berrick's right hand. Now he's the dungeon guard? And Lemoncloak seems to be Stoneheart's right hand. He and Jamie know each other reasonably well. Jamie was by Robert's side constantly and Thoros was Robert's favourite drinking buddy. If Thoros believes Jamie has changed, even if Stoneheart doesn't, he might get him out at the cost of his own life. And think about it, who would know that maze of tunnels better than Thoros, a founder of the Brotherhood?
@christopherevans25474 жыл бұрын
WafflingMean44 you have a point
@christophertracy71364 жыл бұрын
I can't wait 4 TWOW so many questions can be answered that weren't in the show! 2 many potholes 4 me! I think we will see her through Brienne or Jaime's POV.
@obsidian004 жыл бұрын
Lady Stark: I did not care for... Lady Stoneheart: Yas Queen!!!
@trekkingalbertosaur88702 жыл бұрын
(@ 27:00) Catelyn would also feel guilt for pushing Eddard into letting Sansa marry Joffrey and into becoming Robert's hand... her ambition and impulsiveness destroyed the Starks (like Cersi with the Lannisters).
@PedroLucas-mg5je2 жыл бұрын
The tragic thing is, If she stayed in Winterfell when Tyrion made a visit, she could've asked him about the Valyrian dagger and the catspaw mystery would be resolved without misunderstandings or bloodshed!
@sarahevans-politte47563 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to reading your book, Quinn. Just ordered mine last week. I've always wondered if Melissandre passes the fire of life to raise Jon. Hopefully, GRRM will include more about fire wights the next book, WoW Again, David and Quinn, Thank you for the content.
@dr.tetraminflakes31874 жыл бұрын
Jamie will help get lady stoneheart to twins and get her revenge by turning everyone into ghosts
@jackiec91394 жыл бұрын
I would also like to see a video of daenerys visions in the house of the undying and other dreams and how they may foreshadow what is to come
@nourpatchkids4 жыл бұрын
Thank you both for these videos! In light of recent events, they're a very welcome distraction. ❤❤❤
@GretchenLovesBooks4 жыл бұрын
Okay, so, do you think Jaime's ww stump dream where he sees himself and Brienne holding flaming swords (perhaps the two halves of Ice??) in a dark cave could be foreshadowing them finding their way out of the ww cave with Lady Stoneheart?
@arthurhudson2Ай бұрын
This is the best take ive heard so far
@rexpopuli48333 жыл бұрын
These are the only livestreams I can watch all the way thru. These and In deep geek. 💙🔥
@davewise50854 жыл бұрын
Brienne saves Jamie right as he’s dying by thrusting Oathkeeper into Lady Stone Heart. Thoros brings Jamie back to life after seeing Oathkeeper take fire.
@nicklongo16384 жыл бұрын
You guys are just getting us all hyped up for a book that might be more than a year away
@DiversDesign Жыл бұрын
The best thing about the Thoros comments on the state of Stoneheart, at 13.00 or so, is by how he just blunts out the gory details and times, that you can tell that an actual priest, a full on believer plus, is basically shell shocked and the whole Brotherhood understands they are in a whole different ballgame now.
@ChrisOliver43074 жыл бұрын
My first thought when I read it was that Brienne was a wight. She was nothing like herself. She is so honorable she would sacrifice herself to save Jaime.
@astrayadventurer44504 жыл бұрын
I don't ask for much I want Jaime an Brienne to survive an live happily together. Two literally broken people who make a whole.
@210SAi4 жыл бұрын
After listening to this video not surprising if Brienne is a wight
@jakeosborne9772 жыл бұрын
The show I think gave a nod to stoneheart, in winterfell a cloaked lady walks behind Arya.
@shawnhenderson20914 жыл бұрын
Honestly when I read the Brienne chapter where she confronts Stoneheart and gets condemned by her/it, I was like "oh look, typical Catelyn Stark, blame the wrong person for a crime, guess even in undeath some things never change"