r/PokeMedia's Unique Storytelling, Cdv3, and How to Get Started

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Pan Gaming

Pan Gaming

Күн бұрын

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@Cdv3_
@Cdv3_ 5 ай бұрын
Hi! It’s me, that guy whose name made the title. First of all, thank you so much for covering this community and really diving into what makes PokeMedia click, as a fun and accessible creative writing space! Also, if anyone has further questions about anything, I’ll try to answer them (if KZbin actually notifies me, which is pretty unlikely).
@gunyosha4387
@gunyosha4387 5 ай бұрын
How hard was it to keep this video production a secret from everyone, lol
@Cdv3_
@Cdv3_ 5 ай бұрын
@@gunyosha4387 Very.
@LanCon-nl8tl
@LanCon-nl8tl 5 ай бұрын
@@Cdv3_ What Monster Hunter weapon would Gate use I need to know (Also it was a pleasure reading out your posts!)
@Cdv3_
@Cdv3_ 5 ай бұрын
@@LanCon-nl8tlHe’d probably go for Hammer, and specifically the Enormous Ham, if I had to guess.
@ZACKMAN2007
@ZACKMAN2007 5 ай бұрын
You must feel very honored
@Enerson23
@Enerson23 5 ай бұрын
Hey, I play Hiro Takahashi and Talon. This sub has absolutely stolen my heart and while I've taken a small break from it, I have absolutely loved my interactions here. I am extremely happy that my favorite place on the net is finally getting more attention Edit: I love seeing who's who here in the comments. I've interacted with half of the guys here!
@gunyosha4387
@gunyosha4387 5 ай бұрын
You have alerted the sub ❗️❗️. Real talk though, nice video on our niche community.
@Toon_Lucario
@Toon_Lucario 5 ай бұрын
OOGA BOOGA BOOGA!!!! TOON LUCARIO JUMPSCARE!! Seriously though this is a great video. I definitely think a part 2 would be in order since there’s just so many fun people there, maybe for frequent commenters. This is totally not bait to get mentioned in a KZbin video btw.
@Pan.Gaming
@Pan.Gaming 5 ай бұрын
AH! If I didn't constantly hop from one topic to another, there could have been a part 2. But, who knows? I don't even know what I'll make next most of the time. Thanks for the comment, and I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
@awsome_zman
@awsome_zman 5 ай бұрын
Cdv3 getting the spotlight, as deserved.
@Jastactical
@Jastactical 5 ай бұрын
yoooo it’s r/pokemedia! Been a part of the subreddit since 2022, never thought I’d end up seeing a KZbin video on it!
@justlol2305
@justlol2305 5 ай бұрын
Huh, did NOT know a niche subreddit I've toyed with for months would actually get a 2 hour long analysis video on it XD
@nintega21
@nintega21 5 ай бұрын
holy shit it feels so weird seeing the subreddit on youtube, thanks for covering it! It's a pretty fire place and it has a lot of really cool peeps there, it's a wonderful, even if niche, community.
@eonaraminta6336
@eonaraminta6336 5 ай бұрын
Wooooo! Thank you for the video! I'm glad you enjoy Charity's interactions.
@LanCon-nl8tl
@LanCon-nl8tl 5 ай бұрын
Lan Con, the person who voiced the Cdv3 posts, here! The making of this video took forever, or at least so it feels. I've listened to my voice so many times help. Also the recording of the Glys Track was very fun! 27:32 YOOO LARVESTA ON SCREEN?
@coco101martin
@coco101martin 5 ай бұрын
Hey there! My husband is the kickback artist (yes, he’s gay keep scrolling), and I just wanted to inform you that he woke me up this morning completely stunlocked to see a mention like this about his pokemedia post 😂. I’m so very happy that someone enjoys his work so much!
@TheOnlyRen
@TheOnlyRen 5 ай бұрын
>TFW I see a couple of my posts in the intro WE'RE BREACHING CONTAINMENT LADS!
@Brotherof_Zekrom
@Brotherof_Zekrom 5 ай бұрын
It's great that you decided to cover this sub! And being allowed to actually see the full of Cdv3's story (I only really saw the aftermath of Gaia's death) in this format is a service to all of us, and not only in the way that it covers the storylines, but also allows more people to see the sub. Thank you.
@techmarinemartelus257
@techmarinemartelus257 5 ай бұрын
Heck yeah new pan jamming video and a taxonomy joke let’s go! He did it he said the line again pan jamming said bestie let’s go! 1:05:00 I really thought you were bouta whip out the thunderbolt and hit us with a ancestor line like remind yourself overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer. Woo we didn’t start the fire mentioned what is a billy joel and a most beautiful duet. Mankey really the Jeremy wade of Pokémon photography. Another very cool video panjamin the effort and amount of people you’ve highlighted really adds that extra bit to it. A real sweet genius
@Thatwishmaker
@Thatwishmaker 5 ай бұрын
0:32 Liking Chatter more than twitter (i refuse to call it letter 24) isn't surprising since general twitter is up there in likability with drinking molten lead. Also this is curated Chatter, we don't see tweets from Ash's racist uncle talking about how Alolan sandshrew is a crime against nature that should be erased from the pokemon world.
@Thatwishmaker
@Thatwishmaker 5 ай бұрын
0:19 didn't know about this subreddit. I've read a couple of comics that are purely told through real time twitter posts and the characters in the story sometimes reference or reply to readers as it happens. I think it is soooo interesting and in how it allows interaction, at least partly, in the story. Instead of just reading a chapter in a book/comic/manga you see it play out in real time, and the characters in the story are just as real to you as anyone else on the site. One was accompanied by art that was treated as if it was photos and the other had photo shopped images and self made videos. They also both had the characters wondering why other people on twitter weren't experiencing the same things they were. This seems to go deeper with a whole community writing stories in the same world which allows it to feel more like an in world community rather than reading a comic controlled by one person which is cool. Gonna not just dump all comments at once so I don't accidentally delete them all again.
@Thatwishmaker
@Thatwishmaker 5 ай бұрын
12:36 Previously Project Moon games, and now this.
@gefadsfrrewdgfbt5811
@gefadsfrrewdgfbt5811 5 ай бұрын
Its amazing seeing this small niche sub I joined a couple of months ago start breaking out icl. Hope this vid (and ur channel) blows up cuz this was great!
@averagemadnessenjoyer9225
@averagemadnessenjoyer9225 5 ай бұрын
1:36:03 I'm fuckin famous, baybeeeee!!!! You can probably guess that I'm the guy behind Exorcist Grey by my reaction. This is a great video! And it's even greater cuz I'm in it. Lol. But seriously, fantastic work.
@philosophygamer8377
@philosophygamer8377 5 ай бұрын
It’s weird seeing the sub break containment like this.
@yoyoyoshi1234
@yoyoyoshi1234 5 ай бұрын
I am so glad that the video is out you have no idea how badly I've waited for this lol. Great stuff, that being said. It was awesome going through all this stuff in the eyes of another. I remember eagerly waiting for the next part of the Gaia birthday stuff and... yeah it was a good time needless to say Everyone mentioned deserves it wholeheartedly. I will admit that at first when some of the bigger names (Namely Chaos, Eon, Cdv3... any of the other mods) commented on my stuff I was a fair bit starstruck lol. So... You ain't alone in feeling that way. I'll have to keep an eye out for your stuff in the future and remember to comment on them. I had no idea you were behind them lol Someone I'd like to personally give a shoutout to is u/InvaderZimZam, who plays a Honchkrow named V, and an Espeon named Sherlock. Mans does some good stuff IMO, love his characters, though he doesn't exactly post as often as he used to nowadays. It's good stuff though. Sherlock is a precious boi and I love him so much But anyway uh yeah. Great video, it's such a blast seeing everyone's own stories and stuff unfold, and... yea. All the effort paid off Also yes Bob the scientist does post, he's currently doing an arc where he's researching the connection between Dondozo and Tatsugiri (the former is a big catfish like mon, an the latter is kinda like a sushi mon) in Paldea (the newest region from the most recent games, if you don't know) as well as Mystery Dungeon stuff, so... yea take a look at his posts too. They're usually short, sweet, and in my opinion, easy to understand from the get go So uh... yeah. Glad to know you've enjoyed your time on the sub, and looking forward to seeing what everyone does next
@tackey8632
@tackey8632 5 ай бұрын
4:06 *THERE I AM GARY THERE I AM* anyway i write for Teko and the rest of the Pit Crew on the sub it’s so wild seeing our little niche hole up there on the big screen so to speak anyway it’s cool for you to have covered the content and concept of the sub so deeply i hope you like it in here lol
@Tyranitar.
@Tyranitar. 5 ай бұрын
NotIndeedee (guy who roleplays a jackass indeedee or two, has terrible takes in the meta thread and posts low-quality casual posts) here! Great video! It’s an hour and thirty minutes! I’ll edit this comment to say something more specific later.
@Spamley_the_Porygon2
@Spamley_the_Porygon2 5 ай бұрын
It's absolutely insane seeing the subreddit on youtube, lmao. Loved the video and the work put into it.
@angryflamingos3314
@angryflamingos3314 5 ай бұрын
Oh wow. Im much more of a Pokemedia discord kinda gal, but its really awesome to see some of my friends be featured in this video! They all did wonderfully when writing their stories, and Im sure they are all very proud of their work.
@BelievableLemon
@BelievableLemon 5 ай бұрын
Temporarily escaping the Pokemon Universe just to say this video's insane Thank you for covering one of, no, wait, *THE* best subreddit & community Reddit has to offer, and this is no exaggeration, also it's impressive how you've basically been working on this for a MONTH (And it shows)
@lucymay4031
@lucymay4031 5 ай бұрын
Heyyyy it's my post on the front page there at the start! ( 0:07 & 1:28 ) I'm famous! *ahem* Anyway, picking Cdv3 as the main focus of the video was probably the perfect choice. I found the subreddit and started lurking I believe right in the middle of the Gaia's Birthday arc, and its conclusion was the first big event that I was present to witness. Getting to hear it voice-acted (LanCon did an amazing job with Cove's breakdown) honestly brought me to tears, and I'm glad this video is out there so that more people can experience that. I may be relatively new to the community, but it's exciting to see something like this made for such a niche part of the internet that I happen to be a part of. So thank you, and I look forward to seeing you around on the subreddit in the future!
@Pan.Gaming
@Pan.Gaming 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! I couldn't imagine starting in the middle of the Gaia arc as it's just such an emotional part... and, yeah, LanCon was phenomenal with his voice acting, and reading/editing/watching those segments still bring me to tears. Hope to see you there!
@UpandOvertheMoo
@UpandOvertheMoo 5 ай бұрын
this is so funny, I've been on this sub for exactly like... two weeks and seeing this is absolutely wild.
@Pan.Gaming
@Pan.Gaming 5 ай бұрын
Congratulations! You found the sub before I could GET YOU! (/j) It's a good sub! And this should help you out with the lore of one of the major players: Cdv3! I just feel like it's something worth talking about!
@Thatwishmaker
@Thatwishmaker 5 ай бұрын
1:10 I can tell that person with the Zoura is using pokemon go on the left, and that has honestly gotta be a great tool for this kinda thing. Wouldn't have thought of that. 1:57 I think this might be the first time in a while "this is reddit after all" is not said in a negative way. lol
@tracer8115
@tracer8115 5 ай бұрын
1:02 THATS ME!!!!! 🎉 So glad my silly goofy idea caught your attention and made it into this video. Anyway, I used to love this sub. I checked it everyday and made a post about once per week. I only quit because other responsibilities ate my free time (and I started limiting my social media time) Idk, maybe I’ll come back once stuff slows down a bit. I’ve got plenty of ideas and such (For how I made it, I used Blender to animate the model and exported it with a transparent background, so it could be overlayed onto the background.)
@Pan.Gaming
@Pan.Gaming 5 ай бұрын
Dude, that is some of the coolest stuff around! I get the whole responsibilities stuff. I mean, I had to stop my run of Trapinch posts when I really got focused on this video. I know I'd love to have you back if you get a chance, but don't feel pressured! It's all just a bit of fun.
@Nervous_Ari
@Nervous_Ari 5 ай бұрын
1:21:20 YOOOO THAT'S ME! I didn't expect to see myself here! I love this sub, and when I found this video I dropped what I was doing to watch. I wasn't doing anything important anyway, I was just about to hop online to play MK1. Again, I love PokéMedia. It and r/OriginalCharacter are my two favorite places on the Internet, and they're most of the reason I still use Reddit at all. This means a lot to me, it's both a huge social and creative outlet for me. All of my characters are really me, split into parts and expanded upon into multiple full characters. It doesn't feel right to say this here, but I'm more myself on PM than I am IRL. Oh, and about the pronunciation: Deino is actually pronounced "Dino", and Hydreigon is "Hy-dry-gon". The line's names are puns on eins, zwei, and drei, which are German for one, two, and three, respectively. And in German, "ei" always make that long i/y sound. And you're pronouncing Pokémon wrong, too. "Pok-ay-mon" is correct, though "Pok-uh-mon" is also completely acceptable. "Pok-ee-mon", while generally accepted, just sounds weird to me personally.
@Pan.Gaming
@Pan.Gaming 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the pronunciation guide! I will continue to mess these things up in the future, and I will be sorry about it. The internet allows people to metaphorically take their masks off and to be their selves. I know I'm more myself on here than IRL, it's the nature of things. Thanks for the comment!
@Nervous_Ari
@Nervous_Ari 5 ай бұрын
​@@Pan.Gaming You're welcome, and thank you too!
@bitchaos4591
@bitchaos4591 5 ай бұрын
hey I'm in this :D Truly amazing :D So proud to have been part of one of your favorite storylines!
@Jastactical
@Jastactical 5 ай бұрын
yoooo it’s pokemedia! This video’s reminded me that I need to post on there a bit more often!
@lortep458
@lortep458 5 ай бұрын
Holy shit this is actually surreal lmao! Will sticky this on the sub immediately! And yeah, not really surprised that you wouldn't recognize me, since i don't post or comment much anymore. I sometimes think to myself that i should engage more again, but i also don't wanna force myself to - that's just gonna give me burnout (and being very busy with school atm don't help either).
@GuaseVerse-o3x
@GuaseVerse-o3x 18 күн бұрын
I think it got un-pinned
@voilet-the-non-violet-vulpix
@voilet-the-non-violet-vulpix 5 ай бұрын
Seeing a bunch of the folks from the subreddit on KZbin feels like some wild crossover event. Pokemedia is such a fun sub, it’s definitely my favorite place on reddit & I hope this video brings some cool new people in! Thanks for making such a long & involved video on it!
@lkmdude8094
@lkmdude8094 5 ай бұрын
Hey, i'm lkmdude, the writer for geno, the doggos of war, and six. I never met gaia, because I joined the sub right around christmas but even then his death made me cry when that story was told here. I also have some additional information about cdv3's pmd posts. In the unofficial discord server I run a pmd tabletop game, and those posts were part of a little colab for that campaign where the players had to go and rescue kuro in the following session. At the end of the video referring to my shitpost character, the doggos of war, in the same breath as sam, charity, and bob... made my day dude. I really needed that after work today.
@Pan.Gaming
@Pan.Gaming 5 ай бұрын
Oh, you know what that makes sense. I felt like there was a little lurch in the PMD Kuro plot in that plotline, and having that be an actual ttrpg bit is SO SICK! Also, Doggos of War is 100% a name that sticks out to me, and their comments are hilarious! Great work. (and, yeah, Gaia's death is... certainly something else...)
@virmirfan
@virmirfan 5 ай бұрын
Virmirfan here, I have been known for the AI cores, alongside Brian. P and his team, and I have been in this community since before the event flair was even created.
@joshuaschwartz7840
@joshuaschwartz7840 5 ай бұрын
Greate video! I love your creative take on Siffrin for your profile picture.
@Pan.Gaming
@Pan.Gaming 5 ай бұрын
Thanks! It was a gift from a friend, after I made a ISAT video. It's pretty good, and as long as this one!
@OrionCorvus77
@OrionCorvus77 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the compliment, I tried mixing Siffrin's art style with some of Pan's wanted details ☺️
@TwistyTreeline
@TwistyTreeline 5 ай бұрын
Glad to finally be part of a nature documentary
@ZACKMAN2007
@ZACKMAN2007 5 ай бұрын
Im a member if this sub :)
@gamespection931
@gamespection931 5 ай бұрын
Let's gooooo Pokémedia By far some of the most fun I've had online has been writing Kane and Rula and interacting with people in-character, between writing stories that are updated daily to immerse people into the world that is somewhat collectively built to just shitposting I'm so glad it's getting recognized
@Trophyless-fz1sc
@Trophyless-fz1sc 5 ай бұрын
Nice that this sub is getting a video on it. I frequent it daily and love that there's now a one and a half hour video essay on it! Brilliant video.
@hicowboy2
@hicowboy2 5 ай бұрын
Look ma, I’m famous.
@CompletelyWild04
@CompletelyWild04 5 ай бұрын
Man.
@Thatwishmaker
@Thatwishmaker 5 ай бұрын
3:53 If the world was full of sane people, it would be a lot less fun, sometimes. As long as it isn't a bad kind of insanity. 5:39 Ok so this is great. I play the MMO runescape, and there is a runescape creator that made an account and made the credentials for the account public so anyone who wanted to could log in and play on the account. It was a great sort of social experiment that went pretty well. Later they made a Twitch account that anyone could stream on and it went well for like 2 or so weeks before the obvious happened. But Gossip Fleur reminded me of that. I'm a little unsure based on the video if the writers are making actual social media posts and posting screenshots on the sub, or is it mostly images created to look like social media. If it is the first I just kinda worry about a twitter account that will post whatever you send it. Unless you send Chaos a "bit of gossip" and they use it to write a post which would allow for some sort of filter. Either way, a character anyone can take on is cool.
@randomcrazy6229
@randomcrazy6229 5 ай бұрын
It’s the second, no need to worry about that happening!
@Thatwishmaker
@Thatwishmaker 5 ай бұрын
@@randomcrazy6229 1:32:53 got to this part where Pan shows making one. Good to know
@RPG_Fangirl
@RPG_Fangirl 2 ай бұрын
210 seconds, or less than 4% [This comment is for my own purposes of making a playlist, and is not a judgement of quality.]
@GiftedContractor
@GiftedContractor 5 ай бұрын
Caelus the Mailman here! Really well put together video and congrats to those who made it in.
@SpookyBoe
@SpookyBoe 2 ай бұрын
Whoa cool :D It's really neat to learn more about different communities like this on the internet. I'd never heard of anything like PokeMedia before, so to see such a fun community dedicated to making a unique form of pokemon content is always cool!
@Absbor
@Absbor 5 ай бұрын
Amazing video (fangirling about Cdv3)!
@BlueFlewFedUQueen
@BlueFlewFedUQueen 3 ай бұрын
This was a fascinating video as a longtime RPer from a different corner of the internet. I feel like some of kind anthropologist getting excited about tiny cultural differences, like the use of /uj and /rj, or how the design of Reddit as a website affects how players make their posts and interact with eachother. The human desire to play make-believe is truly a universal concept that reinvents itself no matter where you go. Love to see it.
@Channel9001
@Channel9001 5 ай бұрын
Wow, what kinda nerd would post on a subreddit like this? :)
@megarayquaza2240
@megarayquaza2240 5 ай бұрын
We've broken containment! Scatter!
@ZACKMAN2007
@ZACKMAN2007 5 ай бұрын
Im am a member of this subreddit, and i must say, im glad that we are to be getting an amazing video about us I have 3 characters on it, zak Holladay, a trainer who has some notable ancestry, Ace, a human turned staraptor who can talk and is a former neuroscientist and currently performs in contests. And his lovely wife spirit, a dreepy who can also talk and is inseparable from ace. Although my reddit username is different, it has the same pfp as my KZbin
@fidelcatto4732
@fidelcatto4732 5 ай бұрын
Tsk tsk pan gaming. You once again disapoint me with the lack of the 500kg bench press 😢 Great job keep it up your videos are great ❤
@Pan.Gaming
@Pan.Gaming 5 ай бұрын
I'm so, so sorry. That one will be out soon* probably. (*never) Thanks for the comment!
@fidelcatto4732
@fidelcatto4732 5 ай бұрын
@@Pan.Gaming I belive in you ! You will bench 405 💪💯🐐
@SupremeLordBruv
@SupremeLordBruv 2 ай бұрын
Hey im late to this video but it came out on my birthday. neat.
@m.2039
@m.2039 2 ай бұрын
I'm going to be honest, I've been stalking this subreddit for a long while (for context, I think I remember that first leech seed Hydregion post, and I've always wanted to hop in and join, but I just feel like that train has passed. I get they have Rule 8, but not only am I rather shy as a person and not well vexed in the lore of most pokemon games, I just feel like I don't know where I'd fit in their world. I have ideas, but.
@CompletelyWild04
@CompletelyWild04 2 ай бұрын
Don't join the sub, they're abusive as hell.
@m.2039
@m.2039 2 ай бұрын
​@@CompletelyWild04 I read the document in your bio and I appreciate the fact that you provided a warning to me with the best intentions. I hope you're happy in your future.
@CompletelyWild04
@CompletelyWild04 2 ай бұрын
​@@m.2039 I'm sorry I never responded, but thank you so much for reading it. Its changed some this past couple weeks, reworded some things and added screenshots to it.
@the_cl0ckwork492
@the_cl0ckwork492 5 ай бұрын
POKEMEDIA HAS BROKEN CONTAINMENT
@duskiron6698
@duskiron6698 5 ай бұрын
Jeez, all this for a niche sub?! JK, I'm over there as well, I run the characters Drey, Drey Meers, and Unavo. It's great to see this sub get the attention it deserves, though I haven't posted in awhile!
@Pan.Gaming
@Pan.Gaming 5 ай бұрын
Sometime you fall into a hole and you just need to talk about it. r/PokeMedia was the latest one for me, and it happened to deserve a *way too long* video about it!
@seraph3264
@seraph3264 5 ай бұрын
Super cool vid! Love to see some really indepth coverage on the community and a very good spotlight on some of the most dedicated members, as well as the sub's unique formula! I̶ ̶h̶o̶n̶e̶s̶t̶l̶y̶ ̶w̶i̶s̶h̶ ̶I̶ ̶h̶a̶d̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶n̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶a̶d̶v̶a̶n̶c̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶"̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶h̶a̶p̶p̶e̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶"̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶h̶e̶l̶p̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶d̶u̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶.̶
@Pan.Gaming
@Pan.Gaming 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! Part of my process is to not really let anyone know, other than my feedback people, because I don't want to hype up a video just to change the topic or for it to flop... So, uh, surprise! I guess?
@TheGlyde18
@TheGlyde18 5 ай бұрын
I posted a ton (unreasonableradio) when the subreddit was first starting, this is going to get me back into it
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