Rabbi Moshe Shulman on REASONS Why Jesus DID NOT Fulfill Messianic PROPHECIES, Pt. 2

In this second installment of "Rabbi Moshe Shulman on REASONS Why Jesus DID NOT Fulfill Messianic PROPHECIES" we cover the following Christian three claims regarding Jesus of Nazareth:
1. The Messiah would be from the line of David (Jeremiah 23:5, 33:15)
Apologists are not wrong that this was a genuine messianic expectation. The Messiah definitely was supposed to be a descendant of King David, as that was a requirement for any king to sit on the throne of Judah. Whether Jesus was a descendant of King David, however, is hard to know, as the genealogies presented in Matthew 1:1-16 and Luke 3:23-38 contradict each other.
2. The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2)
It isn’t clear whether the Messiah was supposed to actually be born in Bethlehem, or this is just a reiteration of the requirement for the Messiah to be from the line of King David, since David’s hometown was Bethlehem (1 Samuel 17:12). Either way, most scholars doubt the accuracy of the accounts in Matthew 2 and Luke 2, which claim that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, due to the many contradictions and historical problems. Furthermore, John 7:42 implies Jesus was not born in Bethlehem.
The birthplace of the Messiah was often discussed among the Jewish people in the New Testament. Some believed Jesus was born in Nazareth, where he spent his formative years. In John 1:46, Nathanael questioned this by saying, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?" The implied answer was "no," especially for the Messiah.
Yet others, perhaps not as well steeped in traditional teaching, seemed to be agnostic about the Messiah’s birthplace: “When the Christ [Messiah] appears, no one will know where he comes from” (John 7:27).
3. The Messiah would be born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14)
This verse isn’t about the Messiah, it’s about a child born in the 8th century BC as a sign for King Ahaz that the coalition of Northern Israel and Syria will not destroy his kingdom: “For before the boy knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land whose two kings you dread will be deserted” (verse 16). The word in Hebrew עלמה translated as “virgin” actually just means “young woman.” There is no virgin birth here, nor is it referring to the Messiah.
Michael Brown, a Jewish believer in Jesus who has studied ancient Near Eastern languages, offers the following helpful point about the word almah: “While the word ‘almah can refer to a virgin, it does not specifically mean ‘virgin.’ Its basic meaning is primarily related to adolescence, not sexual chastity.” (For his detailed reasons, see Michael L. Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, vol. 3, Messianic Prophecy Objections, section 4.3.)
Timeline:
00:00:00:00 - 00:14:13:26 Introduction and summary of first three covered during last episode.
00:14:13:26 - 00:41:12:09 The Messiah would be from the line of David
00:41:12:09 - 00:43:12:04 The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem
01:03:11:28 - 02:02:46:26 The Messiah would be born of a Virgin
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[@Son-Of-Righteousness]

My Incarnation after I was Yahshua was Titus, leader of the Roman guard who took the temple apart, not one stone left on another. If you do not find this Sol Invictus and REAFIRM THE COVENANT WAY of this Lord. You're all going to find out you should have. I'm Hamashiach in as much as I'm HASATAN. I returned as titus and fulfilled my own words. I'm not a prophet. I'm an incarnate who remembers. Repaying for sins of the father's on their sons. Rome considered me GREAT. I was Alexander too. As Antiochus, I built the mount of the gods, they call it. But what it is is statues of my numerous Incarnations gathered up as a testament of my greatness. I was Amun Ra, then Re, then Hermes trismagistis. It actually means thrice your majesty. BY REINCARNATION

[@Son-Of-Righteousness]

Do you have any idea how many I crucified when I was Titus? Failed apocalyptic prophet? Lol. Oh no, I did not fail. You will never have what's supposed to be a tabernacle ever again. A testament to my Heavenly Father's will on the subject. Ark is the mercy seat. Mercy seats are before the THRONE!

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

@@Son-Of-Righteousness What utter gibberish...

[@mattg2306]

*Yawn* Christ is Risen. He was murdered by his own people. Happy Easter.

[@marymagnuson5191]

Jews could not recognize god ever.

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

But you can? 😂

[@mattg2306]

@@saschamilenkovic4320 Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. Deal with it, end of story.

[@Cuffsmaster]

Your statement makes zero sense

[@lonnierandall7882]

Matthew 24:23-27 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. Ps 118:22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. 23 This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

If the New Testament tells us this we'll then it must be true... Even though Jesus being the Messiah contradicts the entire Tanach that is also part of the Christian Bible. I would suggest to start from the beginning and read the prophets in a proper translation (or even better the Hebrew original). Then this question won't even arise. The Messiah has not come yet.

[@lonnierandall7882]

@@saschamilenkovic4320 Translation is where the problems come from. Let it say what it says and it will mean what it means. Ho 6:1 ¶ Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. 2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. 3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME TO US AS THE FORMER AND LATTER RAIN UNTO THE EARTH. Da 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Isa 52:13 ¶ Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high. 14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: 15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider. Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But HE WAS WOUNDED for our transgressions, he was bruised FOR OUR INIQUITIES: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isa 53:6 ALL WE LIKE SHEEP HAVE GONE ASTRAY; we have turned every one to his own way; and THE LORD HATH LAID ON HIM THE INIQUITY OF US ALL. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Ge 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, GOD WILL PROVIDE HIMSELF A LAMB FOR THE BURNT OFFERING: so they went both of them together. Ge 22:11 ¶ And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

@@lonnierandall7882Where does this come from?! You don't explain how this was translated from the Hebrew original. Do you seriously believe the Jews don't know the original meaning of their own Bible?

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

@@lonnierandall7882 This is not about looking for a translation that says what you want it to say. This is about what the original said and meant, not about looking for a different meaning in it retrospectively.

[@mosheshulman8305]

@@lonnierandall7882 I will cover most of these in later shows. Have patience. As you see I give a full treatment of every verse, and even see what Christians say about them. But I doubt you even listened.

[@AGAPEFREEDOMPODCAST]

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[@samnwakefield2032]

Here a bring you news...The truth messiah to come once more is jesus of nazareth

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

This is over 2000 years old. Have you watched the actual news about what is going on in this world? Jesus was not the Messiah and he is not returning. And I have all the reason in thsi world to believe that. What you going to use to marshal against me other than your 'corrupted book'? Can you prove it? No you can't. Let's move on. Next...

[@CatETru]

All this denial because you don't want to share your Messiah with the Gentiles. I will pray you come to your senses and don't continue making the same mistakes since the times of Noah.

[@mosheshulman8305]

When he comes we will not need to 'share' him. HE will be there for all to see.

[@CatETru]

You're not wrong.@@mosheshulman8305

[@lordthunderchicken4636]

Beware of the dogs, those who worship the flesh....its never to late. He doesnt want anything other then acceptance. Start there and everything else falls into place. JESUS CHRIST will set you free. Period.

[@mosheshulman8305]

Are you set free by truth or men? If truth then have the courage to listen to all of what I say with an open heart.

[@lordthunderchicken4636]

@@mosheshulman8305 I am the truth, the way, the life....its not to late for you as well. I am commanded to love you as an image bearer of God, but I have to tell you the truth too even if that hurts.

[@mosheshulman8305]

@@lordthunderchicken4636 Sadly what you think is true is not. I am however thankful for your concern for me, although I feel it misplaced.

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

You start with the Truth. Not with assuming Jesus is your saviour and then trying to bend everything to make it fit that narrative.

[@apostatepodcast]

Hi @agape

[@greatdeceptionsoftheendtim9497]

Read Luther's book "On the Jews and their Lies"

[@mosheshulman8305]

Should be changed "On Luther and his lies."

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

Lol, because Luther is so trustworthy... stop being anti-semtic and start caring about things.

[@greatdeceptionsoftheendtim9497]

@@saschamilenkovic4320 I care about all of humankind How do you know I am not a Jew?

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

@greatdeceptionsoftheendtim9497 Well if you are then your beliefs are cetainly unconventional as you are telling people to follow Jesus. You could be a Jew for Jesus yes. But I don't really care. Belief in Jesus as the Messiah is unbiblical and against Tanach (OT) so I don't really consider Jews who believe in this to be Jews anymore. They are Christian. So I believe you are Christian.

[@greatdeceptionsoftheendtim9497]

@@saschamilenkovic4320 So what is a Jew ? and what is a Semite? Is it only the Religion?

[@feliperodriguez4187]

In Micah 5 the Messiah is to be born in Bethlehem Ephrata and in Daniel's vision he's coming in the clouds. Two Messiahs or two comings?

[@mosheshulman8305]

Did you actually listen to what I said? As to Daniels vision, I will discuss this later. I must either be through or cover a lot. I have chosen to be thorough.

[@feliperodriguez4187]

​​@@mosheshulman8305 who is speaking in Zechariah? Aren't Rabbis been wrong about the Messiah in the past? Aren't the in gathering of the Jews started in1948? Are the Rabbis still waiting for the Messiah to enter Jerusalem riding on a donkey?

[@mosheshulman8305]

@@feliperodriguez4187 1. Where in Zechariah? 2. How do you know they were wrong? 3. Literally doubtful, but we will have to see.

[@feliperodriguez4187]

@@mosheshulman8305 Zechariah 12. Who is speaking and when and who gets pierced? I believe Rabbi Akiva strongly believed Simon Bar Kokhba was the Messiah. One other thought Rabbi. Wasn't Balaam a non Jewish prophet that prophesied the rise of a king from the people of Israel but he for saw this king as a deity since he referred to him as a "star". If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the symbol of a "star" represented "deity" in the pagan world view? Thanks Rabbi, really appreciate you speaking about these topics with respect and leaving sarcasm and mockery aside. Thanks to both of you gentlemen.

[@mosheshulman8305]

@@feliperodriguez4187 1. Zechariah 12 is on the list so I will answer your question in a later show. 2. How do you know Akiva was wrong? 3. Not sure what pagans associate with things.

[@Market-Maven]

So who is Isaiah 53 talking about? That must not be Jesus either?

[@vepraksoldat2963]

Israel

[@antrodaze910]

@@vepraksoldat2963So Israel died for the sins of Israel

[@vepraksoldat2963]

@antrodaze910 that not what it says and you know it

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

No it's not. Read Isaiah 52 and 54 and you know it's not referring to Jesus.

[@vepraksoldat2963]

​@@saschamilenkovic4320you going to tell a Jew what their scripture mean? Lol don't embarrass yourself. It means Israel.

[@antrodaze910]

I wonder how they will ever prove who is from the lineage of David and properly place him as Messiah

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

Read the Torah, it tells you how to identify him.

[@mosheshulman8305]

There are many today who descend from David. My wife is one. Jews keep such things.

[@antrodaze910]

@@mosheshulman8305 Out of curiosity, what is the record of your wife being a descendant of David?

[@mosheshulman8305]

@@antrodaze910 Sure. Important Rabbinic families always kept their genealogy. So for example the Famous Abarbenal family were known to have been descendants of King David. For Jews in Europe there are two known people who are descended from David: 1. Rashi. He was the 33rd generation from the Rabbi of the Talmud, Yochanan HaSandler who was the great grandson of Gamliel the descendant of Hillel. Hillel's descent from David is recorded in the Talmud. 2. The family of the Maharal of Prague. He traced his descent direct back to Rabbi Hai Gaon in the 11th century. Rabbi Hai's father wrote a book on his descent and that of the leaders of the schools in Persia to his time. In that he traces back to the family of the 'Head of the Exile'. This was the office of the political leadership of the Jewish community in exile which started in Babylonia, through the Persians and the Muslims until it ended under the Seljuk Turks. The office holder was a direct descendant of the Kings of Judah. My wife traces back to both. She had a great great uncle who wrote down his descent to a Rabbi in the early 17th century (Rabbi Shimshon of Ostropol). From his father he was a great grandson of the Maharal's brother. From his mother's he was from the Travish family who were Rashi's descendants. There are books that have this in more detail.

[@feliperodriguez4187]

@@antrodaze910 good question. I'm curious too.

[@sulongenjop7436]

The messiah will never come if Jesus isn't the one!

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

The Messiah will precisely come because Jesus wasn't the one.

[@mattg2306]

@@saschamilenkovic4320 Praise be to Jesus Christ.

[@mosheshulman8305]

Explain why you think that.

[@Tenebris_Sint]

Jewish Messiah isn’t god and doesn’t die. Earliest Bible manuscripts literally say Jesus wasn’t divine and Mary wasn’t a virgin.

[@mattg2306]

@@Tenebris_Sint -makes substantial claim -doesn't give substantial sources k.....