Racing Fuels: E85 vs MS103 Dyno Champ

[@TheMoghrabimahmoud]

beautiful episode!! thanks guys !!

[@TheTuningSchool]

You're welcome and thanks for watching!

[@jasonb938]

Good video, thank you, i road course and it is 9$/gal of 100oct at the track, 7$/gal of 91oct. E85 is 2.50$/gal ... bought 15-5gal fuel containers at Costco (200$) and now i am good for two days at the track.

[@kennethraff2002]

Jason B thank you for the info that’s awesome good luck on the track

[@shannonsisk]

Can't wait to see the gains from E40 to C85. Bob mentioned diminishing returns around 40-50 percent ethanol and it will be interesting to see how that plays out on the dyno. Really good idea for a series. I will definitely stay tuned. Thanks guys

[@DarkLinkAD]

These findings are dead on with others, over the past years that E-85 has been available.

[@imSchwaggy]

a lot of people on the forums didnt understand why i chose afd's flex fuel kit as opposed to an e85 tune. i explained the exact same thing you said, e85 tunes are based on whatever the tuner used, not what you get from your pump. so if one day you get 50% and the next day you get 60% but the tuner tuned on neither of the two, you're kinda SOL. youd have to flash your car back to pump 93 till you get the same or similar %age your tuner used. or youd have to measure every time, and make sure you run the same percentage every time lol. im definitely not doing that.

[@TheGinger1]

Surely if you're out of fuel pump on E40 then you're not going to be able to make much more power from E85 as you'll need to move a larger volume of fuel than E40. Any plans to make the appropriate mods to the fuel system to extract the full potential of the fuel?

[@summerplumber]

I run a combo of E85 and LP gas in my !989 ford f 350 with a 460 ci stick trans. With some adv timing it runs great. Just having fun with it.

[@blueovaldude]

We test the ethanol content at the pump when filling for the racecar. Very consistent at 90% where i am .

[@EthanolFuelGuy]

Where are you, the Midwest? Is it advertised as E-98? I'm consistently getting 75% ethanol from the "E-85" pumps at the Racetrac stations near I-75 from Ocala through Wesley Chapel, Florida

[@lukedoehrman2304]

I run e85 in my 02 Gtp and I have never had a problem with it other than the availability on long road trips because I can't hook up a e85 flex monitor to the pcm. I did a tune, #60 injectors, and a walbro 255 and a smaller pulley. I picked up about 100 whp from this. $215 for the dhp tuner, $120 walbro 255 and $100 for the injectors used.

[@dj4monie]

For older cars with port injection, simple upgrades like yours can have excellent power gains for little outlay and only the 15-20% hit on fuel economy. If you don't drive long distances much this isn't an issue. It's actually cheaper to fill my tank for E40 than full of just 91 octane. I do take a hit in economy though. Ecoboost engines have Octane Adjustment built-in the PCM controls, it if I run 91 on my E30 tune it cranks down the timing advance.

[@shawnmhulsey]

Ferris bueller on which fuel is best...

[@blowne85s10]

Pros and cons differ depending on location. Here in Indiana, most e85 tests around 90% cause we grow corn here, but in the winter months there is an amazing amount of moisture at the tailpipe. And o2 sensors love moisture, if I drive my e85 powered truck in the winter I will have to replace them at least once.

[@TheMasnart]

Very good video. Very nice to see such a power increase from going from E10 to E40. Would have been cool to show the differences (If any) between your ethanol content sensor's estimation of the fuel, and a good ole Ethanol Tester like the one from Holley. Also, didnt hear you mention it in the video, but for the other readers out there, one of the main reasons it will pick up more power is the cooling effects of the ethanol fuel. And since this is a supercharged application, those engines love that.

[@shannonsisk]

TheMasnart yes I was expecting them to mention a cooling effect as well. Maybe they could get into that more in the next video

[@dj4monie]

The cooling effect is accounted for in SAE testing, look for the .pdf file online, it's good reading. E20 still out performs 100 octane oxygenated unleaded fuel...

[@insidiousstyle]

Great explanation.

[@AKDMB]

I know it is super expensive, but any plans for any of the FTW Products like their "Purple" e98. C85 might be really comparable though.

[@TheTuningSchool]

We have more fuels arriving for the next round of testing. If you'd like to ship what you want tested please give me call and I can tell you how to get your fuels tested. 727-264-8875

[@kingjeremysircornwell7847]

2 stroke oil can raise performance of gas in a four stroke engine. Can also add mileage. Performance/H.O./supercharged

[@Zionslayer1]

Ambient temp for Boostane were 11 degrees cooler. But IAT's for e85 run were less. That is strange being that the car is direct injection.

[@dj4monie]

Boostane doesn't have any oxygen it and will never make the power E85 blends do, never.

[@FPS1200]

Excellent video! I know I'm a dinosaur, but I'd love to see a race fuel test against E85 from like Rockett Racing in an 6-71 or 8-71 MFI setup, Maybe Hilborn or Enderle nozzle into blower. Thanks!

[@TheTuningSchool]

It's never too late to learn something new. Thanks for the feedback!

[@2000r0283]

it's a $1.79 in tampa. also what Thortons did you go to do I don't go there

[@twinflyingeagles]

Hello James here.Great info on this episode.So if you can answer this question and get back to me that would be great.Ok so What i got is a vw aircooled turbo draw thru motor.I want to be consistant on the tune so how and is it possible to hook up a flex fuel system on a draw thru carbureted e85 motor.The carb is the latest greatest holley e85 750 carb.my car is 100% plumbed from tank to motor with all the proper parts. I know you guys deals with the later cars but i heard you state that e85 wont be consistent so get a flex fuel conversion. LMK thanks

[@Vasquezz28]

i always get confused when they say "my car is tuned on 24 degrees of timing." how do you get this? im just starting off but the cars i have tuned have timing advance set different relating to RPM and Airmass. how do they set it to one number??

[@TheTuningSchool]

We follow the process we tech in this course: thetuningschool.com/product/gm-tuning-using-hp-tuners-software-level-1-beginnerintermediate-learn-at-home-course-new-updated-for-use-with-your-hp-tuners-3-x-software/

[@alltheboost5363]

should have tested e70.... that's what a lot of people end up getting or at least something close to that number e40 is pretty far off from e85.

[@dj4monie]

Depends on the car. SAE's own testing found E20 was the best between least impact on fuel economy and most power. You still got 97% of the benefit of E85 at E20. That was a stock Ecotech GM 4 cylinder turbo engine, Buick Regal. My friend at CP/Carrillo has to run E20 on is '15 Z06 as he over drives the blower more and added a cam. He was running E30. If you have old port injected cars you can run higher concentrations of fuel. Neon SRT-4's pick up 30-35 hp EASY with full E85 which is easy you only need bigger injectors. Caliber SRT-4 350 hp which is 70 hp over stock on E85.

[@DarkLinkAD]

Yeah, E-40 was best in an old DOHC 4.6 Cobra and many GM engines. I haven't had personal experience with the direct injection (Long term, years of use)

[@dj4monie]

@@DarkLinkAD I have.... Works better with direct injection...

[@ryanaxberg9263]

thats a cute little mustache that guy has. lol

[@EthanolFuelGuy]

5 years later, E-85 is consistently lower cost than even regular gas at pumps near me, and E-15 ("88 octane") is available and also cheaper. I'm consistently getting 75% ethanol at the Racetrac stations near I-75 from Ocala through Wesley Chapel, Florida. The E-85 stickers advertise "51-83% ethanol". In an ideal world, when one buys "E-85" fuel it would always be exactly 85% ethanol. Actually, in an ideal world, only organic E-100 would be available at all pumps, and engines would be manufactured and tuned accordingly. I'm an idealist, working for such a world. 🤣🙏🌈🌎

[@turbosupra2jzdragracingtob249]

C16 vs c85 test results?

[@TheTuningSchool]

Stay tuned for tomorrow's video...it covers this exact test for you.

[@coryjamesc]

I like watching the videos, You guys are throwing some good info out there.. But man you guys talk over each other way too much. You cant listen to two people talk at the same time.

[@TheTuningSchool]

Totally noted. We're doing a lot better in our newer videos. Check them out on our channel!

[@mengullojushuas.5598]

sir what is the highest octane gasoline

[@ethanknight8461]

Jushua Mengullo as far as i know 130 octane ish is the highest it goes for drag cars

[@paytonmac5665]

TY GREAT VID

[@jimhiscott2918]

$1000 to upgrade your fuel system for e85??? Where do you shop because I want to shop there! My set up. Fuel cell with foam $225 AEM 450lph fuel pump $200. ptfe fuel lines -6 return -8 feed $429 Radium 10 micron filter $120 Radium 100 micron filter $120 Radium fuel rail $150 FPR $100 Radium fuel pulse damper $85 Injector Dynamics 1700ccX fuel injectors $1188!!! And other unmentioned parts. Total $2500

[@dj4monie]

That's a lot of money. I've spent exactly $1028 and have a 70-80 whp gain, 100% stock otherwise just tune, E40 blend and water methanol injection (45/55).

[@freedom6919741]

Yes on Mustang it’s more like 5000 for a boosted setup to run E85.

[@luissandoval6237]

Can I use e85 on my 2017 Charger Daytona or need to bee tune

[@markjmaxwell9819]

Yeah no suprise E54 gives you the same range as 93 and the benefits of ethanol..... E54 is technically better than E85 with a higher octane rating than 93..... Depending how they make it. They have E54 in Arizona l wonder what independent testing has found ??????

[@dj4monie]

Where have you seen the same fuel economy with E50????

[@EthanolFuelGuy]

I wonder what you mean by "technically better".

[@fast02gt]

It’s actually E40, not a big deal… WHAT LOL I have a tune on my RS3 that needs at least E60, I would definitely have a problem.

[@pcmfrenzy1089]

I've never even seen E85 in Canada

[@EthanolFuelGuy]

Sorry! 🤣 Get a still and make your own!

[@Chloepet]

Is this where Ferris Bueller was on his day off?

[@TheTuningSchool]

Shhhh.

[@kingkage7km]

"available for everyone" except for Ontario, Canada. E85 is no where

[@willzgn]

Too bad you didn't actually have E85 to test and the majority of people out there still have port injection.

[@dj4monie]

No difference... Other than buying larger injectors and larger fuel pump. DI engines have higher static compression.

[@stevenstrawn5009]

Ive tried e85 a couple times first time had a little less than a quarter regular 87 put 10 gallons of e85 ran it out didn't noticed much difference then i ran it to just about empty filled all the way with e85, then i actually felt a gain this is in a 2015 GMC Sierra with just the 4.3 v6 ecotec3. But i just went back to regular 87 e85 is about 35cents cheaper but i lose about 4 to 5 mpg also.

[@dj4monie]

1) Your not tuned for it 2) E85 works much better with forced induction including nitrous oxide. So... Get one of those.

[@EthanolFuelGuy]

Depends on whether you want to just go further on a tank of gas, or get better acceleration and/or torque, have a smoother, quieter, cleaner-running, longer-lasting engine, and go much longer between oil changes. Since you have a flex-fuel vehicle, the choice is yours. Choose once again. 🤣

[@stickman-1]

Great info, very helpful, but that guy on the left drives me nuts. He seems like he's in a race to see how many words he can get into the video. The guy on the right seems a lot better at this. Sorry left dude, but this is not your thing.

[@Jommybutler1234]

Stickman Left Dude is way better than Right Guy Right Guy just can’t wait to talk Jumping in constantly, while Left Dude is presenting. Adds nothing. Insulting to the other presenter. It’s as if he thinks the viewer is an idiot and he is afraid the Left Dude is going to leave something out Let Left Dude talk When 8 see Right Guy in the thumbnail, I usually do not watch the video

[@ham003latechedu]

Fun fact, e85 is mixed at the station.

[@TheTuningSchool]

Well, there you have it. Thanks for that bit of knowledge!

[@EthanolFuelGuy]

Untrue. E-85 is blended at the production plant or the terminal. E-15 is the fuel that is blended at the pump from E-85 and regular gas.

[@Jommybutler1234]

Please stop talking while the guy on the left is talking Your style of Active Listening is over the top You are too excited to prove how much you know Please cease and desist Please rewatch the video, with this in mind

[@TheTuningSchool]

You got it!

[@joevald3]

Boy stop with a BS and get all of the testing

[@paulnardo7987]

"Gasoline is for washing parts, alcohol is for drinking and nitro is for racing."