Radeon RX 6500XT vs. New AAA Games, Just How Bad Is It?

[@gamingunboxed5130]

15:07 - 6500 XT is what I meant.

[@wh3resmycar]

this card is a waste of silicon to be honest.

[@WamblyHades]

waste of sand 😢

[@Chill_Mode_JD]

Almost thought it was satirical 😅

[@MorganReidguitar]

Steve don't tempt us with the use of your gaming unboxed channel! We want the streams 🤩 haha!

[@GewelReal]

Thanks Steve!

[@shaquilleoseal1390]

Imagine the silicon and other metals/materials going through hundreds of millions of years of erosion and decomposition and changes in chemical composition only to turn into a 6500XT

[@LooKingG00d]

And then through the same when it becomes instant trash😢

[@yuukiya8982]

yeah this is just e-waste, 😢

[@InternetListener]

the purity and lack of deffects necessary to become electronic silicon or pcb board element make your fears irrelevant. In fact is the opposite way you think what matter to the electronic industry. 2 square meters of photoelectric silicon to make 500W of electrical power are sold at $150. 300 mm2 of silicon wafer in the INtel 14900KS from $750, in the form of RTX 3060 at $300, in the form of a 100mm2 at much less than $200... don't talk about cobalt or coltan, lithium, rare earths... on a 30cm diameter silicon wafer they can manage to put $100.000 worth of chips or at least $15.000 to $30.000 in lower tier cpu chips.... Silicon comes from almost perfect quartz mineral mined on high purity mines, is not beach sand. Nor what you found in chips neither on LCD displays etc. For the industry making Solar Panels (that the mankind needs to lower life risking pollution) is a waste, any other application is better than Gold mining if your name is Apple.

[@filip9587]

Just like the GTX 1630, GTX 1030, RX 6400 and GT 710.

[@miguelangelgamezfernandez3418]

Or a 4060 Ti, 11900K, really sad indeed

[@Dhrazor]

$190 card that struggles to do 30FPS in most games, but for $30 more you can get 2-3x the performance... what a joke... this should cost no more than $89-119

[@garethsutherland9649]

True. Its like, we all know its a shitty GPU but just price it accordingly. If some family just needs it for minecraft or ez titles, sure.. Again, just price it right.

[@Davinmk]

that’s was during the mining boom, if it was released today (which it wouldn’t, this thing gets beaten by igpus) it would have an mark of maybe like 50$, at least close to what the actual manufacturing cost would be

[@spacechannelfiver]

It's pointless, if you just need a display signal then get an APU.

[@Rayu25Demon]

Consoles have a better value

[@petrihadtosignupforthis8158]

New GPU manufacturer should target 3 markets and make 4 cards. 1. Halo/Creator/Workstation card. 1.5k 2. Top Gaming 750-850. 3. Undercut 4070 market by tragetting 300-400 Price with 12-16GB RAM 4. Cheapest alternative for 99 with 6-8GB RAM. Tough, tough, tough. Plus tech is leading edge and manufacturing is expensive commodity.

[@arya_amg]

I wish you included the ancient rx580 too I would show how bad 6500 is

[@zalankhan5743]

I think It wasnt Included because of it Not Recieving Drivers anymore.

[@DimkaTsv]

@@zalankhan5743 It did got 23.11.1, but from separate branch. So, AMD still support them, but moved them into "secondary" list, especially as they are requiring different internal branch for drivers. This means that drivers will still come out, but not as frequently. AMD equivalent of stop suppporting is moving device into "Legacy support" list. Which had not been done yet to RX 580

[@tomstech4390]

@@zalankhan5743 GCN still receives drivers every 3 months, but the architecture launched against Fermi over 12 years ago so there isn't much left to optimise and giving the driver teams the ability to focus on RDNA architectures means a next generation of fine wine. It was still supporting Terascale (hd4000-hd6000) for so long aswell as low stock clocks ~800mhz that stopped Kepler being a wet flannel at launch, the relaunched at 1000mhz and then it was game on.

[@elham7459]

​@@DimkaTsvThey only receiving bug fixes and security updates from AMD, no more performance optimization.

[@sirmonkey1985]

The problem with the 580 is that the performance is all over the place since there are some newer games it needs to emulate certain shader coding at a driver level. So it would just make both cards look bad overall.

[@LBXZero]

The RX 6500 XT was a junk budget "gaming" laptop GPU mounted to a PCIe card. I do support the concept of building laptop parts that can be repurposed for desktop systems in the case of oversupply, but the price needs to match the product.

[@PAcifisti]

It was going to be dogshit for most as soon as they chose to keep the 4x PCIe and only 4gb of memory. Truly a money grabbing moment. Vast majority of people buying this wouldn't have 4.0 systems.

[@tomstech4390]

@@PAcifisti most budget builders buy used, budget builders who buy new would have a 12100f or ryzen 5600.

[@Vhalikuporamee447]

@@PAcifistiIt wasn't a question of "keeping" those things. The GPU is monolithic and its I/O block only accounts for a 64-bit memory bus and four PCIe lanes. That means that the GPU is constrained to those limits no matter what, and so it will have either 4GB or 8GB of GDDR6 and four PCIe lanes until the end of time. Also, do not forget that when they were brought into production RAM prices were super inflated, so 4GB was a choice made for reasons of cost. The short-lived 8GB model offered by Sapphire was like $300 IIRC

[@BleedForTheWorld]

You said it yourself - the price DOES matches the product. There's probably some manufacturing costs here that is inflating the price to this staggering amount and I say staggering on account on how bad it is.

[@pauls4522]

Exactly. No bad products, just bad prices. I think its performance per watt is bad too, but if it were 100$ the product would have gotten a pass new. If 80$ it would have been rated very good.

[@elago98]

Any chance of one final RX 480/580 vs GTX 1060? Just for the sake of nostalgia

[@TheLTcousins]

I would also want to see this

[@AndrewH2791]

went back to my rx480 4gb after selling my 3070ti 8gb it plays BG3 at 40fps and re4 close to 60 fps both with fsr 2.0 ultra quality and mostly high settings.

[@electricindigoball1244]

This. Now that AMD has moved Polaris to a separate driver branch it's the perfect time to see how the two compare seeing as Polaris GPUs won't be receiving more game optimizations.

[@Saabjock]

@@AndrewH2791... I just (within the past two days) purchased a used Sapphire Nitro RX580 after pulling my Intel ARC A770 out. That GPU is surprisingly good. Not a stutter in sight and all textures look incredible. I am running Assetto Corsa with the latest PURE and CSP mods at high, while achieving over 60 fps with fifteen cars on the grid....in full wet conditions.

[@Overminder]

Might as well just throw in the 1050 Ti just to see how that 139 USD 4 GB low-end compared to the 1060.

[@robinkonig5828]

The 6600 is barely more expensive but you get like twice the performance

[@tomstech4390]

£127 vs £199 but otherwise yes. Same with 12100f and 12400f

[@MaYeRsDz94]

no ​@@tomstech4390 no i5 12400 is not far away from i3

[@MLWJ1993]

​@@tomstech4390 The only problem with your example is that the 12100 is surprisingly good for what it is, which is in very stark contrast to the 6500XT (and there's even a lower end "option" in the 6400...).

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

People gripe about pricing, but at least it's improved from the market that made _this_ feasible to release.

[@j.b.7813]

@@tomstech4390 Well I guess it depends on the country. In Bulgaria where I live the cheapest model 6500xt is 175 euros and the cheapest rx 6600 is 215 euros. Rx 6600 is the king euro / fps here. I wouldn't buy 6500xt even if it was 100 euros but at least it could've been good for really low budget PCs.

[@pantsgaming759]

the fact the 5500xt is way faster says it all.

[@UncannySense]

yes but the 5500xt along with every other AMD and Nvidia gpu about it were crypto mining and commanding prices 2-4 times msrp...

[@pantsgaming759]

still why would amd release a card thats worse then the last gen version of it? should of given it a different name atleast@@UncannySense

[@tomstech4390]

​@@pantsgaming759 When you see $199 rx6500xt during covid.... ...that would normally be a $109 rx6300 any other time. People hate the card because of the world events at the time. meanwhille $/frame $140 rx 6500xt: 49fps avg for = $2.85 $257 gtx 1650 super: 59.53fps avg = $4.31............. (51% more expensive) Neither reach 60fps avg one of the has RT* but which one gets the hate? *which is worthless like anything sub rtxX080 or 7900xt but still remains,

[@kevinerbs2778]

the 8Gb version of RX 5500 card started out a $225 & everyone said it was too expensive, I thought it was cheap! Then Crypto happened & the prices jump from $225 to S500 to $850. But they never went below MSRP, in fctI don't think they ever sold below $300 after the 2020 pandemic.

[@VinzkieBolivar]

@@tomstech4390 People also forgot that 1650 cost the same during the pandemic. You also have the GTX 1630 which is a worse product but all the hate was given to the 6500xt

[@davidepannone6021]

The 6600 is truly the best budget gpu of the "post covid" gpu era. You can comfortably play med settings 1080p with AAA titles.

[@Deceit-hx7ey]

as someone who recently bought a sapphire pulse 6600 for 230~, i agree with this statement.

[@istvanszabo5745]

I bought a used 6650xt 6 months ago, best decision of my life :D

[@Deceit-hx7ey]

@@istvanszabo5745 66xx squad! lol

[@elirantuil5003]

Just bought 1 for my nephew. It's a fantastic card

[@Napoleonic_S]

geforce 6600GT was one of the best midrange GPU ever.

[@olivergoldvalente]

Love these revisits thanks!

[@bhaskaradit]

Bought a brand new 6600 back in 2022 for around $220 based on your recommendation back then. To this day I'm very satisfied with the performance, it serves me well on every game I play. Also, the power consumption is second to none in this price point. Thank you so much!

[@m.m.1634]

Would be interesting to compare it to the upcoming Ryzen 7000G Desktop APUs

[@jochenkraus7016]

According to Techpowerup the 780m is similar to 1650, A380 and 6400. 6500XT is faster but 6600 is so far ahead and has both more RAM and more PCIe lanes. And I think everyone who says the 6400 is worse than 6500XT misses the point: What other modern card is available as single slot, low profile, slot powered? Yes, that's a small niche (pun intended) and it would be so much better with all encoders/decoders and a more-than-4GB option.

[@lharsay]

The RX6500XT should be around 40% faster when it's not memory limited.

[@maverickvgc4220]

I'm really curious, let's see if the 3050 6GB manages to do worse

[@masterluckyluke]

I doubt it, it will be around the 5500XT or the A580. Maybe in between those two.

[@KimBoKastekniv47]

It's easy to forget but the GTX 1630 exists and it does do worse.

[@maverickvgc4220]

@@masterluckyluke isn't the A580 already faster than the 3050 8GB one? The 6GB is a massive cut down, i'd expect an RX590 at best.

[@AuroraDawnxx97]

True but that trash was greatly overshadowed by the 6500XT ​@KimBoKastekniv47

[@vinyfiny]

​@@KimBoKastekniv47It's much cheaper though right?

[@LeoMajor1]

A funny little story about the 6500xt for everyone....... My old comptuer slowly gave out on me... first the video card went and then I was gaming on it with just the cpu, barely able to play a game like world on tanks on the lowest setting with a playable (20-30) fps (10-20 zoomed in for shooting) and playing other games like League of Legends. EU4 and mostly just using my ps4. The power button stopped working, the only way to start it was by pushing down on the mobo and shorting it out (I know terrible but I didn't care anymore) and the mobo was down to 1 sata port etc. So I finally got in a spot in life where I could afford to build a new pc.... so I bought a b550 mobo, a 5600x, a cheap 256gb ssd(for now), used my old 750gb HDD, an upgraded cpu cooler, the scary 750w ARESGAME psu that GamerNexus did a video on about not putting in your pc (It was 50$ lmao) etc etc and I put it all together...... and I decided I would wait to buy a video card after I saved up some money (this is still mid cyrpto mining where every gpu was still 50-100% more expensive) So I put it all together and..... nothing. no image and I'm wondering... well did I screw up something putting it together? It's turning on why is there no bios/windows showing up? Well it turns out that because on my old PC that had an APU I assumed that all computers/CPU's worked without a dedicated graphics card..... I had no Idea that I should have bought a 5600g instead of the 5600x if I wanted the computer to work without a GPU...... so I was super upset and decided that I needed a video card much sooner then I thought.... So I borrowed 300$ from a family member and went out and bought a brand new GPU that just came out that same week.... the 6500xt (4gb ofc) and that sucker got to my house from newegg in like 5 days..... I opened it up and I couldn't believe how small it was but I put it in and.... the computer worked just fine now that it had a GPU inside of it. So I installed some games that I wanted to play like total war and then I Installed Squad... and Squad was running on high at like 30fps and I was so happy and excited because It was such a long time before I could game something like SQUAD on a PC and It was my favorite FPS of all time.... Going from an APU playing WoT at like 10-30 fps the fact I had squad running.... and I would brag to my roommate "Hey look I'm playing squad on high settings!" lmao..... 30-40 fps felt buttery smooth to me after playing nothing on PC for years and years....... Then I started to see the reviews on the card and I couldn't believe how much bad reception it was getting because going from not being able to play a demanding game like Squad to being able to play it for the first time in about 5-6 years was so much fun. Eventually I sold it for like 50$ less then I paid for it and bought myself a 3080 12GB and now I understand why the 6500xt4GB was such a let down of a card for 2022. But for a month or two.... that 6500xt.... that most people wouldn't think twice about.... was the best thing that happened to me for PC gaming in half a decade..... and you would be surprised how going from nothing to "playable" can make somebodies day...... The guy who bought the 6500xt from me was happy to buy it too... He was also getting a GPU just to play the spiderman game that came out on pc in 2022... he asked me if it could play the game and I looked up some reviews and said.... yea it could play it on high. (which it could get around 50 fps on high on that game) So that one card was an entry level GPU for two people in the same year that basically sole purpose was to allow us to go from "no pc and unplayable" to "pc and playable" Probably the best you are going to hear about that card and I would assume most people who bought it would have a similar kind of story? Because nobody is going from a 1080ti or even a 2060 to a 6500xt. Fun fact. The 6500xt is on par with the TItan Black performance wise which came out in 2014..... xD It's also slightly worse then a 1060 3GB........ but for me.... It was glorious!

[@LeoMajor1]

Also I wouldn't excuse AMD For putting this card out but since AMD is giving me FSR 3.0 and Frame Generation to breathe life into my 3080 and making that card perform and last longer then it should no thanks to NVIDIA deciding the 3000 series "wasn't compatible with DLSS3 and FRame Gen" Yea okay NVidia... anything to push people with money to buying the next product by giving them RT FOMO. Another reason why I bought a 3080 was because it was the only card that I could get for a decent price. I live in Canada and they were pumping a bunch of 308012gb refreshes into best buy who were selling it for 950-999$ CAD and I jumped on the opportunity to buy it when I could because everything else was sold out completely. My next card might just be AMD considering I don't like how greedy Nvidia is and the whole dls33/FG not available to my 3 series while AMD giving me FSR3/FG. If I bought a card today I would buy the 7900xtx

[@MLWJ1993]

I do hope you got rid of that PSU though? Wouldn't want your new PC to be damaged by that fire hazard. 😅

[@LeoMajor1]

@@MLWJ1993 Oh yeah I should have mentioned lmao! I ended up buying a Cooler Master MWE Gold 850 V2

[@unitybeing777]

Hey bro I know what you mean. When I had to sell my really good pc to pay bills and stayed with a 2008 qosmio with 8600gts and core duo I played the most legendary old games ever, then I got a 9900k and 2080ti xtrio and I flew. But the time with my old laptop was untouched.

[@p.granger8824]

Apparently Amazon is full of people who were also playing with Built-in graphics. You can look at all types of crap/overpriced graphics cards on there and they somehow receive terrific reviews. It’s like the people buying them don’t have a clue about graphic cards or how they’ve been ripped off. They’re only going to find out when they try to resell the card on FMP for way more than it’s worth.

[@idrinkbbq5927]

I genuinely do feel bad for those who didnt know better and got roped into one of these things. I had several friends of mine who were considering getting this piece of ewaste and im so glad i could stop them.

[@zodiacfml]

would be nicer if an rx580 is in the charts. I know it is around half the performance of the 6600, close to the 6500xt. however, rx580 can be had for around $70 with larger VRAM for better textures.

[@electricindigoball1244]

To be fair AMD did move Polaris and Vega to a "reduced driver support" status on a separate branch so unless you're gaming on Linux (where even GCN 1 GPUs are still fully supported by the AMDGPU open source drivers) then Polaris and Vega GPUs aren't worth considering if you're upgrading or building a new PC.

[@moomeuh1342]

@@electricindigoball1244 Moded drivers exists bro

[@randomguydoes2901]

@@electricindigoball1244 That could actually help drive home the point of how hard 6500xt sucks because I'm sure it still beats this thing.

[@electricindigoball1244]

@@randomguydoes2901 While I don't know what Steve's thought process is, my guess is that he probably wanted to focus on GPUs he would actually consider recommending at this point and with RX 580 having the reduced driver support on Windows (and most of HUB's viewers using Windows) it probably made sense to just not consider it. This video is clearly not just about how bad the RX 6500 XT but also about what you should buy if you're looking for a GPU in that price range.

[@randomguydoes2901]

@@electricindigoball1244 yeah I'd recommend an rx580 or 5500xt above a 6500xt at any given point in time. the 580 has headroom and the vram to rely on, especially for a pcie 3 system. at half to 1/3rd of the price

[@randomisedaccessgaming1876]

Looks like the Intel ARC a580 still needs a few performance updates in drivers on a couple of those games tested.

[@eugkra33]

Really wasn't expecting that hard of a performance hit in some titles for going to pcie3. I figured as long as as the game uses under 4gb it be fine? But maybe those games even at the lowest settings use over 4gb, like Remnant 2.

[@Psi-Storm]

Yes, those games run out of memory and then are stuck with the low pcie bandwidth. They also pick spots in the game for benchmarking, that are quite hard on the gpu, so the result they get is representative for the minimum performance in the game. If the gpu gets 60 fps there, you will have it almost everywhere in the game.

[@firisrozley5768]

Imagine if Hardware Unboxed can eventually review single-slot Radeon Pro W7500 workstation graphics card now that RX 6500 XT is a huge insult to entry-level PC gamers.

[@eskimo4130]

I love a good ol' "told you so". There were a lot of reviewers trying to defend the product at the time, madness really.

[@Scytherman]

You know it's rough when the 4060 is better value. Impressive performance from the 6600 though. The only sub 60 FPS games were Starfield and Alan Wake 2 and if you really wanted to experience those games now instead of later, you could at least still get them to a playable framerate with this.

[@zodwraith5745]

The problem with the 4060 is the same as the problem with Arc. Both architectures shine when they get pushed to high resolutions and enable stuff like raytracing, but they're pointless because there's not enough performance there to enable that stuff in the first place. Arc really should have had a higher end sku to see what it could do.

[@mini1602]

@@zodwraith5745 Not really i disagree. The RT cores in my 4060 are powerful enough to raytrace at 1080p. In cyberpunk i get solid 63 fps avg RT Ultra with dlss quality and 96fps with Frame gen. The funny thing is that with Path tracing and FG both enabled, I get a solid 60 fps average which is just mindblowing as Pathtracing killed gpus like the 3070 and almost all amd gpus. (And no there isnt alot of input input lag in FG compared to its release they have fixed it somewhat.)

[@zodwraith5745]

@@mini1602 Most FPS players will _not_ put up with the input latency of 50fps, and that's the real latency you're getting at 1080p RT ultra. FG or not doesn't change that and actually _adds_ latency. It's not completely unusable on a 4060, but you don't have to straight up exaggerate to defend your purchase. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnelZJiXYpyHa8Usi=U8UjsJ3qXjXmJ7tS&t=329 You just don't care about latency where most FPS players do, and that's ignoring the ghosting you see with DLSS at 1080p in CP. It's mostly only usable in single player games that don't rely on quick reflexes like Hogwarts. Try fighting _human_ players in 2077 and not brainless NPCs and you'll turn that shit off fast. And no, path tracing doesn't "kill" the 3070 unless you overrun the vram, which ironically will kill your card even worse than that 3070, and frame gen isn't going to save you there.

[@GeneralS1mba]

@@mini1602 I don't like frame gen. It makes the image soft, just like dlss, uses more vram and *does* increase latency. Last I used it on my friends rig, it was unbearable at ~30 FPS. Wouldn't turn it on at 50 when I can just go from dlss quality to balanced. I'm surprised that you could get 60+ In cyberpunk though. I'm positive it was in the 50s since you get 30 FPS with 1080p RT ultra.

[@mcduvall2000]

Only thing I'd change was the release date was 1/19/22, so 2 yrs ago, not 1.5. Not troll, love your channel!

[@elham7459]

2:26 If we looking at AMD website, RX 6500 XT have 8GB VRAM variant and it did in Sapphire Pulse product, and this supposed to be an option from very beginning, I guess because adding 4GB more back then during cryptoboom will make it hardly cheaper than RX 570 4GB.

[@elham7459]

RX 6500 XT released in 19 January 2022 AMD description changes from 4GB to 4GB/8GB around late May to late August 2022.

[@lharsay]

The the navi24 GPU die in the RX6500XT is so small that on release the 4GB VRAM was costing more than the die itself.

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

Only Sapphire bothered to follow through with an 8GB iteration. I would have been interested in seeing how it might have done. For science.

[@lharsay]

@@kenshirogenjuro873 They didn't make 8GB models because it would have cost just as much as an RX6600.

[@eugkra33]

I have never seen anyone test the 8gb model, and I've never actually seen anyone sell it. It was like factional model that never really got made or something. At least so some people said. Can't find any real videos about it, or anyone that actually owns one.

[@rozzbourn3653]

i think the 6500xt should have been called the 6300xt. the pcie 3.0 must really affect the arc series as well. ive seen in other benchmarks that the a580 was within about 4-5fps on average of the 6600, but here it gets a spanking with pcie 3.0. intel also needs to have drivers for games when they are released. the allen wake 2 performance is not helping them out and makes it hard to even consider them.

[@fabiusmaximuscunctator7390]

The results in RE4 seem kinda strange to me. Did you mistakingly change the bars for the 7600, 6600 and the 4060? There is no way the 6600 could faster than both of them.

[@InternetListener]

they make perfect sense. 8:29 just shows how rarely tested are these scenarios. Strange feeling is due to the lack of proper hardware testing, code optimization or perfromance scaling on benchmarketing reviews. When you keep testing the same game on different settings and hardware setups you're not testing the hardware differences but the software. I fyou go and compare 3dmark results you'll see how they scale as "expected" but just because all the internet is flooded by 1080p ultra maximum FPS only tests we are missing thing like the lot of games that are faster in 1440p than in 1080p, the lot that are playable at 4K low/medium/high in cheap gpus, or the strange scaling of perfromance to Power (W) or to processing power (TFlops etc.). Anytime reviewers find games being faster with an RX6700 than any other more powerful gpu, gets obvied, remember INtel Gpu Busy metrics? why they don't use it. It has to do with obvious bottlenecks make visible using RAdeon POrofile and other developer tools... search for official AMD developer site (AMD GPUOpen) software introduction to "Radeon™ GPU Profiler 2.0" or recent article "Occupancy explained"

[@InternetListener]

in fact what the result suggest is: - that probably that RE4 developers targeted some rx 6600 heavily to run great and expected amd drivers and hardware to handle the very optimized game by itself, - that there is room for huge improvement and perfromance is being lost around on other gpus, 7600 and 4060 must be able to scale the 6600 results accordingly. so everything is running slower than it could if optimized, not the 6600 faster.

[@sparketech]

So bad you gotta wonder "What are we doing here reviewing this?" Good on you for sticking out the pain of it all.

[@The_Noticer.]

To quote James Rolfe "What the fuck where they thinking!?"

[@Bluedino549]

In Amazon "Gaming PCs," you'll often find a Geforce GT 710 or a GT 730. It's a display driver at best. The RX 6500 XT feels like exactly such a GPU but at a premium price tag. Lord heavens above.

[@Rsafdyk]

Don't remind me, I had to buy it for my mom (since her R9 390 died) when crypto messed up market because it was only affordable card at time... still feel bad about it.. the only positive is for her it's working fine... and I sold dead R9 390 for ~2/3 price of new 6500 XT.

[@samgoff5289]

A few months after the 6500xt released the market went back to normal…just because you were impatient you got ripped off

[@Herrikias]

@@samgoff5289 What is impatient about getting a new GPU when your old one dies?

[@iseeu-fp9po]

Your mom is a gamer? That's pretty cool.

[@Rsafdyk]

​@@samgoff5289 it's funny you say that because it was not about me in the first place, and PC without gpu doesn't work so why we are talking about me being impatient?

[@Rsafdyk]

@@iseeu-fp9po Yea... it sounds better than it's... :) And everything started with demo of Diablo 2...

[@MelodicArmor12]

Does not surprise me at all. I am getting the similar numbers in my testing. The nice thing is that I have the 8GB Sapphire Pulse version and its original counterpart. Believe it or not that 8GB does make a difference.

[@MelodicArmor12]

4GB VRAM gaming is just dead at this point

[@mutter6202]

any plans on reviewing arc a380 this year?

[@vasheroo]

2:12 Wow that is a tiny die! Usually I'd say size doesnt really matter, its what you do with it. Eventually though, its just too small to do the job.

[@Loppy2u]

Wish you could get a PowerColor Fighter AMD Radeon 6500 XT 8GB version to test for improvements, if any. Minimumweight of buy new cards for sub £150. Still go for the RX6500XT over the 1030, 1630, 1650 Intel Arc A380 in that Minimumweight, just a smidge better than a display output.

[@olnnn]

Yeah if you they could somehow find one as they seem very rare I guess it would give an interesting "what if" scenario looking at how it would be if they had launched it with a 8gb setup from the start in some way. (and by extension whether it would still have made sense if it then had to use slower speed memory to keep the cost in line)

[@burnsyd17]

What is truly sad is this thing (with only 4GB) could never mine, so those prices around launch were purely distribution/retailer price gouging due to nothing better on shelves.

[@Dragon99GID]

I waited, and now own a new XFX 6600 for $299 Aus, love this card and hopefully it will serve me for a few years. Looking at Aus retailers and the 6500XT has all but disappeared, those that still have it, have it priced stupidly.

[@GoodGamer3000]

It's embarrassing how often the 5500 XT outperforms the 6500 XT...

[@KrisoVT]

I wish you compared this one to the steam deck. Would have been interesting how it compares to a handheld released just a few months later

[@Collin_J]

Same thought here. Based on my experiences, the Steam Deck would've come close in most situations, and perhaps best the 6500XT a few times

[@janbenes3165]

@@Collin_J That's just not true at all. You'd be comparing 720p on Steam Deck vs 1080p on RX 6500 XT. Unless you push over 4 GB VRAM limit the RX 6500 XT will always perform better at the same resolution, even two times better in some games.

[@Collin_J]

@@janbenes3165 yeah the VRAM would be where the "better" comes from

[@janbenes3165]

@@Collin_J I'd be very interested to see a game that uses over 4 GB VRAM in 720p, or in 1080p but is also playable with Steam Deck 1080p. Not saying there aren't any, just that I can't think of any. I'm really not defending RX 6500 XT, I just don't see Steam Deck realistically have better performance.

[@hrayz]

At the worst time, my friend lost his video card to the New World killer bug. He needed a video card but the only things lower than $600 (well above any budget he had...) were the GT 710 and RX 6500XT. That's still a hard choice, but he had to get the 6500 until he could save up.

[@wvjeepguy8178]

My latest system is just using amd rx 580 8gb that has been through multiple owners. Plays World of Warcraft just fine, along with most other games I care to play. I'd upgrade if there was something that made sense to upgrade to for the games I play, but there just isn't.

[@samgoff5289]

Integrated graphics can play WoW….

[@AndrewH2791]

I went back to my rx480 4gb after selling my 3070ti a couiple of weeks ago its running games at 1080p up to 60fps with fsr 2.0 like BG3 and RE4 remake

[@samgoff5289]

@@AndrewH2791 so not 1080p…more like 480p using crappy fsr lmao…that’s fine btw if you are ok with the awful image but saying 1080p isn’t true

[@Loppy2u]

@@AndrewH2791 Good tactics to sell while high before the 4070 refresh.

[@wvjeepguy8178]

@@samgoff5289 You do realize WoW has had multiple model and HD texture updates since it originally released, right?

[@eugkra33]

This product from what I can tell is a part designed for laptops, that got pushed to desktop. The idea was that it didn't need an encoder because integrated graphics can take care of that. But why even have something this weak to supplement integrated graphics?

[@boingkster]

Gotta love that longevity. Cough. I'm still rocking my 1070Ti which has been an amazing 1080p card and very long lived!

[@thingsiplay]

I used the MSI 1070 without Ti up until last year. There was 2 main reasons why I upgraded to a different card: 1. Nvidia sucks on Linux, so it had to be AMD and 2. I was building a new computer anyway and decided to go with a new card too. Other than that, the card worked well, even on my 1440p machine, with occasianally at higher than 60 fps. The GTX 10xx series was the best graphics card of all time.

[@sdrubaa]

I sticked with a 1080 until last year but ii was starting to show his age 😂

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

@@thingsiplay Nvidia shouldn't suck anymore on linux than it does on windows tbh

[@Dhrazor]

Still using my 1070Ti Strix that I bought for $550... I'm not going to spend $1000 for a worthy upgrade(4080/4070Ti Super at minimum, the 4070Ti is going fore $990 here, absolute garbage), so I'll keep waiting... maybe the 5070-5080? I'm not spending more than $1000 even if they beat or are close to the 4090...

[@thingsiplay]

@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson But it does, because of the drivers.

[@fandomkiller]

my wifes rig has an evga gtx 1650 4gb gddr6 in it. with arctic accelero 4 cooler on it and overclocked it's the same performance as a 1660 super according to superposition global benchmarks. wish arctic would of continued to make gigantic aftermarket gpu heatsinks. this thing is a beast. never goes above 50c under load. 5 year old gpu still holding up....

[@UncannySense]

Was cheaper than the 1050ti at time of launch...which just goes to shows how bad the GPU market was at that time...Sold all my GPUs for a profit and gamed on a 5700G APU until crypto mining inevitably died.

[@S3lvah]

A great example of how the diminishing returns region exists at both extremes of the price spectrum.

[@sdfjsdjfghssfgdsgvfs]

It's strange how RX 6600 was better than RTX 4060 and RX 7600 in Resident Evil 4. Were those two cards limited by the PCIe 3.0?

[@lharsay]

I think they accidentally enabled FSR.

[@lharsay]

All 3 cards have 8 PCIe lanes, the GTX1650Super and RX580 were the only 16 lane cards here.

[@airmicrobe]

You forgot running portal rtx on it.

[@michielvoetberg4634]

I have the 6500XT in my PC. Bought it june 2022 at 208EUR. I knew it wasn't the best, but it was the best one that was actually available at that price range in my area. My integrated graphics had problems and I needed something new. Waiting was not an option. If I would have bought something else I would have needed to upgrade my power supply as well. Besides that my ryzen 3200G could then still bottleneck it. I usually limit my fps to 40 anyway. The prices for better video cards are just insane, and it was much MUCH worse 2 years ago

[@tomstech4390]

The crux is the 5500xt 8GB was a $199 card when it launched, The 6500xt was effectively meant to be a GT1030 style "display adaptor" at £99 ($109) buuut because of covid they launched it at $199 to match everything else at that time. Except it was available while everything else was out fos tock or scalped at 3x the price. (though in the uk we did see them quickly drop to £99 B-grade and £130 new pretty much instantly even though nvidia had literally nothing else on the market with the awful rtx3050 starting at £300+). Currently at £127 the clsoest rival is a gtx1630 which is about half a gtx1650 in the charts (or a 2GB gt1030 is cheaper).

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

I think you are thinking of the 6400. The 6400 was supposed to be a 1030 style display adapter.

[@tomstech4390]

@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson literally the same card and core (still has 100% the memory bus and ROP back end), the 6500xt would have been a $109 rx6300, meanwhile the rx6400 would have been a $89 rx6200. Covid was a fuck but still.... $140 rx 6500xt: 49fps avg for = $2.8571 per fram $257 gtx 1650 super: 59.53fps avg = $4.3165 per frame (51% more expensive) Neither reach 60fps avg but which one gets the hate?

[@lharsay]

It was never meant to be a desktop card, they designed it for budget gaming laptops. During the shortage they saw opportunity in the low end desktop segment and overclocked this thing through the roof giving it the highest GPU core and highest GDDR6 memory clockspeeds ever used by that point.

[@DrEvilTag]

I remember back in 2015 when the GTX 960 came out for $199 MSRP and it was a very good 1080p card that would run games at 1080p High or ultra settings at 60fps, even a couple years later on it still ran games at 1080p medium but still 60fps, what a shame now days that anything around $200 is garbage even at launch, I remember buying a GT 640 for $90 in 2012 and ran all the new games at 900p medium settings but it was only $90 new!

[@jannegrey]

I mean, if I were to buy it, it would be for old games at best and so that system without GPU on CPU could work. Certainly not for AAA games. And for reference in October 2022, I did buy RX 6700 10GB (I felt I needed a bit more than 8 GB, since I already have RX 580 8GB).

[@korinogaro]

But you could buy way faster used GPU for the same price.

[@jannegrey]

@@korinogaro Used market was terrible. also how do you know my country's market? Used cards were still 2,5-4 times as expensive as RX6700. Sapphire version, I feel was released late enough that it had "normal" price of above 300$. 3060 12 GB in my country back then was going for 700$. RX6700XT was almost 600$. So no sorry, I couldn't have bought anything remotely cheaper. I could have waited another 6 months and then buy cheaper - yes. But it was only in spring of 2023 when in my country prices started to fall.

[@samgoff5289]

@@jannegreypretty sure he was referring to the 6500xt…..you can buy an older used card that is way better for older games or display out

[@shrimp_p4rm]

Yeah, nah. Nice try though Lisa.

[@KimBoKastekniv47]

@@jannegrey Your country sounds like a bad place for PC gaming, and this GPU was specifically made to take advantage of that.

[@malitiemmanuel1321]

Thanks for the hard work please 🙏 Helping manufacturers come back to their senses!

[@manoftherainshorts9075]

This thing should cost $120. Tops.

[@tomstech4390]

MSI RX 6500 XT mech 2x OC is £127 so yeah. What the alternative?

[@manoftherainshorts9075]

@@tomstech4390 Used 1080Ti.

[@alexusman]

​@@manoftherainshorts9075may as well just burn money for lighting up cigarettes lol Imagine recommending that mammoth that'll die in a year.

[@odinez7010]

half as much infinity cache is still infinite cache, right?

[@detmer87]

99 dollar graphics card still overpriced 😂😂😂

[@konic40]

Would love to see the 2 CUs on any of the 7000 series CPUs vs the RX6500

[@princebangar1999]

I bought 6500xt for 17800 rs and it plays any game at 1080p.

[@Eleganttf2]

"plays any" yea sure 😂by playing you mean a slideshow it is

[@VinzkieBolivar]

@@Eleganttf2 That depends on the hardware you pair it with; the card runs better with a PCIe 4.0 system. This card saved me during the pandemic when my 980 died while waiting for GPU prices to drop. Your budget option at that time was a GTX 1650 that cost more and performed less. It's true that 6500xt is a bad buy, but 1650 and 1630 are much worse.

[@airmicrobe]

This card is great. Sane card it is, just not insane.

[@Zac-rd6po]

The RX 6500 XT is actually my current GPU purchased new for $125 USD/$190 AUD about a year ago now. The 4GB of VRAM is very limiting not gonna lie. Going to be building a new PC soon with the RX 7800 XT.

[@RedPawner]

I got it last year for 219 euro with a pcie 4.0 combo w/ the i5-11400F so i can use it at it's fullest potential as i was in a rush to replace my dying potato pc back then. It became my first gpu in 10 years and i never saturated the 4 gb of vram much but it did play the games i usually play very well at 60 - 200 fps but the lack of an encoder is a bit of a let down. I'll be upgrading to a 7600 XT later this year or the next

[@Sk0die]

That's actually not a bad price at all, honestly worth it. I paid $380 NZD (I think that's $350 AUD?) back in may 2022. I wish I'd have stayed on my vega 11 for another 6 months. I'm stuck running on pcie 3.0, as soon as the 4ram is used the stuttering gets super bad in every game. At least it's quiet and efficient😅.

[@TechHarmonic]

It would have been an okay card with 8gb of vram. But because of crypto i understand why they went with 4gb at the time.

[@samgoff5289]

That was such a bullshit excuse from amd, and the delusional fanboys eat it up….”we used 4gb so it’s no good for crypto!” Too bad that makes it no good for games too so what’s the point…they were just being greedy like any company but trying to act noble

[@elirantuil5003]

Nope, that would have just meant that the turd was polished. It would have better averages but percentile lows would still be abysmal.

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

Bruh, with a 64 bit mem bus, the card was fucking dead no matter what.

[@TechHarmonic]

@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson I actually used the card when it launched unlike most of you guys lmao. The VRAM was the biggest problem I had with it. Because of the small bus anytime you starting filling up the 4GB stutters would occur. That goes away with 8GB. Obviously stick to 1080p and not 1440p and it would have been okay.

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

Is the 132watts for the RX6600 total board power? My Sapphire Pulse Lite Edition is locked a 100watts on the gpu and I have to use Afterburner to rise the cap to 120watt, it really does scale up with that added 20watts. Also, I missed the fact that Intel Arc A580 was tested in PCIe 3, Rebar will work on AM4 x470 chipset in PCIe 3 for my RTX 3070, Rebar should still be there for Intel Arc even when running in PCIe 3.0.

[@InternetListener]

rx 6600 is just a 80 to 95W optimal tdp gpu to be used also as Mobile gpu, check 6600M specs. In general going from 100W to 120W on that gpu will only raise FPS up to 6%, while in the rare case you have a very good one an voltage curve or silicon quality was very high you'll get only maximum +20% FPS. What kind of % increase do you have?

[@blackmennewstyle]

AMD literally robbed people with that GPU 💀

[@korinogaro]

True, yet people think AMD has better corporate morals than NVidia.

[@hellguardian11]

@@korinogaro Because Nvidia has none 🤣

[@notchipotle]

now it's $125 and still can't recommend it to anyone 😂

[@tomstech4390]

They had no competition, gtx1630-gtx1650 is more expensive and doesn't even have ray tracing. The closest card would be a GT1030 "ddr4" 2GB

[@Shahzad12357]

but still better than nvidia

[@pkt1213]

I got "lucky." I got a 5500XT 8GN in early 2021 for $210. I was at MicroCenter getting a 5900x that was on sale. This card was an open box return. I had almost everyone in line asking me where I had gotten it. It had been out for under 5 minutes when I saw it.

[@Just4Games2011]

Steve, this vid made me curious. The 900 series is getting to be 10 years old this year, and has the longest driver support I knew, with it still being supported. Could you maybe add those too in this test? I especially want to see the 970.

[@tomstech4390]

GCN as an architecture has finally been slowed down after 12 years (now drivers every 3 months), Maxwell "support" is in name only, there hasnt actually been any maxwell specific driver additions for years now. The terascale (hd6870 etc) parts of the amd driver could be bundled in with the latest amd drivers and claim they stiill support those 15 year old gpus but that would be a scummy thing to do. Edit: I have a gtx970 reference

[@Just4Games2011]

@@tomstech4390 That is not a fair comparison tough, because GCN is multiple architecture revisions, and none survived even close to 10 years. By this logic, we can say Maxwell is not supported only when Pascal will end, because Pascal is literally just Maxwell Die Shrink, performance per core and clock are 1:1.

[@tomstech4390]

@@Just4Games2011 Correct, however the SIMD16 units and the main raster engine that actually makes your pixels dance are pretty much unchanged, adding truaudio and eventually fp16 support is irrelevant unless you're suggesting that those features alone are the key to the architecture and the main draw for users. Again it doesn't matter anyway as nvidia could bundle the MX440 (AGP) drivers into the current ones and claim thats still supported even if no optimisations have been done in the last 20 years.

[@Xilent1]

I would like to see the 6700xt in 1440p since EVERYONE tooted it as the best bang for buck 1440p GPU for a LONG time.

[@AdalbertSchneider_]

great test and great base numbers for the future - when 8000G APUs will arrive to your test bench - Would love to see you comparing to this exact base / settings ! 👍 PS: would be nice if you would add also the OG popular stuff then - 1060/6, 470/570 as 4GB, maybe RX 580 the OG or now Chinese 2048SP 8GB version... - you know what I mean, the classic cheap stuff ppl are still using.

[@bluehemi321]

Regarding Resident Evil 4, is it a typo that the Radeon 6600 outperformed the Radeon 7600 and RTX 4060? 8:39

[@audiosaucer2124]

AMD never said this was a card for AAA gaming so it would be nice to see games like Fortnite, PubG, LoL etc. etc. Plenty of games this card plays well. "Let's throw all these heavy AAA titles at a card that isn't made for it!". Come ooon, Steve :P

[@hydraxxorion538]

The problem is not the link of only 4 PCIe 4.0 (4x) lines but the quantity of VRAM of only 4GB which severely slows down the performance of the "Navi24" chip, Sapphire and XFX had each released an 8GB variant using two GDDR6 chips of 4GB (Samsung) instead of two 2GB GDDR6 chips (Samsung/SKHynix/Micron) but unfortunately too little produced and available, therefore having seen a test of the Sapphire Radeon RX 6500 XT Pulse 8GB against an ASUS Radeon RX 6500 XT DUAL OC 4GB on Doom Eternal in 1080p "Ultra" preset the difference in average FPS was a little more than +60% which clearly proves that it is mainly the too low amount of VRAM of 4GB.

[@christopherp.1391]

I love this "revisit" content, this help makes me appreciate what you currently have.

[@oldthink34]

I bought an Open Box 6500 XT for $118 in June 2023 for use in a PCIe 4.0 system. I'm happy with it.

[@Senvae]

I bought this card for my kid's PC because their previous card didn't have enough VRAM to play Trailmakers. They have 1080p with an Intel 4790K and 16gb of DDR3 Ram. They have played Halo Infinite, Jedi Fallen Order, among other not so old but not so recent games. They never complained about stuttering or slow downs, and I haven't seen it looking over their shoulder occasionally. It made sense at the time because I couldn't even get my hands on a 1650 Super, but the sale price had it down to 200$ Canadian which is comparable to the other cards in the same area of performance. I don't really regret my purchase at all. And no, I couldn't afford to go up one higher and get the 6600, so this worked for me.

[@ocha-time]

I picked one up for $95 open box from Microcenter this week because I was rocking a "RX 560 XT 8GB" before and it was just ...dumping all over everything. Was still a huge upgrade in stability and functionality, but I'm only playing digital CCGs and World of Warcraft so it's fine. Sometimes running WoW in 1440p and alt-tabbing freezes the game for a couple seconds, then it comes back. I still can't switch it over to DirectX 12 mode. Other than that though, not bad for the price at all. Nvidia has no competing product in that price category and I know I won't be playing Alex Jones 2 on this thing

[@accessiblelinuxgaming]

I hope they don't cut the bus widths next gen... It really hurts people on older boards like X370 and X470. There are some compromises to be made on those platforms but otherwise they are still viable.

[@chroma1004]

So it performs similar on the 780M from 7840U/Z1E. Also iirc there's powercolor variant that sells 6500XT for only $110-120 but still I rather get the pre-owned 5500XT or 1660S instead lol.

[@paulustrucenus]

There's an error with the time stamps, the section after the sponsor spot is missing

[@shahnewaz9700kf]

Why not test the rx 6500xt 8gb here too?

[@magnusnilsson9792]

Was ReBar enabled for the A580?

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Yes

[@riba2233]

It has to be

[@richardbeckenbaugh1805]

Black Friday deals for the RX6600 were down to $180 with a code for an additional $20 dollars off. Picked mine up for $160 plus tax. Worked out to be about $181 from Newegg. At that price point, the RX6600 is about where it should be. I’m happy I bought when I did. You never know when the supply of the older cards will dry up. It replaces my 5700XT which is starting to have cooling issues. I could just repaste it but I want something in case it has more issues.

[@ליאורו-ט3ו]

On what PC build was it tested on? I'm preety sure CPU, storage type (HDD, SATA, M2, NVMe) and speed and also RAM could affect this

[@darktimka]

I just bought an RX 6500 XT for $99 on Newegg condition open box. Do you think this is a good price for it?

[@falken5688]

HELL no. Return it. I wouldnt spend more than 20 dollars for it.

[@PK-lk5gs]

I really struggle to find a suitable use case for this GPU. - low-q gaming? Better get a used GPU from previous generations - office PC? Not a low-power model, has extra fans - SFF PC? Not a low-profile model - secondary GPU for virtualization where primary GPU is to be virtualized? Too big, requires external power, better get a 1030 or RX6400 - GPU for on-the-fly video transcoding or streaming? No HW encoding capabilities - GPU for rackmount platforms? Not a low-profile model, not passive-cooled - GPU for mediacenter? Limited HW decoding, not small, requires external power So IMO it is not a question of "what is the adequate price for 6500?", it is "what is the use for it?". It is an absolutely pointless GPU, it's useless if it costs $50, let alone $150. In many regards RX6400 is better and more useful than this.

[@CharcharoExplorer]

Can you review the 8GB RX 6500 XT?

[@Iscandelt]

I have one of this and bought it back then for ~300$. I need it only as graphics adapter and to use as little as possible pci-e lanes for workstation (mainly software building compilation and sometimes simulations, cpu heavy workloads) with 5950x, which do not have iGPU. It gets the jobs done but I wouldn't recommend it to anybody with different usecase and now for such usecase as mine, 6400 is better.

[@steveweidig5373]

I think your re-test came out a couple weeks too early. As in, it would have been nice to compare the 6500XT to the upcoming Ryzen 7 8700G

[@VinzkieBolivar]

They need to include the GTX1630 too because it is unfair for the card to get all the hate while Nvidia get away with a worse card with the 1630.

[@airmicrobe]

I bought it 70$, I never felt was ripped off. Now you can buy this as 90-100$ without post fee.

[@airmicrobe]

As new one

[@plonk420]

as a grizzled day 1 6600 buyer (at MSRP, thanks to corporate overlord over an hour away, Mircocenter), glad my GPU at least isn't GT730 territory

[@raute2687]

I have a sapphire radeon rx 6500 xt to use as an egpu at 1080p with a pcie 3.0 laptop. Performance in older games is more than good enough, modern games like borderlands 3 at 1080p low settings is also easily playable.

[@alixinitalics]

I got one for 90$ and i'm going to upgrade later but, even if it's bad, I'd like to think I got a good deal. I also have the ryzen 5 5600G cppu with intergrated graphics so i'm fine with just using that if the gpu is that bad. Did I waste my money?

[@Lodinn]

Is there a fixed proportion of esports titles like CS2 in these comparisons? "Average FPS" is such a weird thing when you have both titles where 60 FPS is a target and those where 200+ is normal, both in the same mix.

[@cmonkey77]

how does it stack against integrated graphics?

[@lharsay]

4 times stronger than Vega 8, 2 times stronger than Radeon 780M.

[@Burago2k]

Where im from you only can get the 6500xt for the lowest priced rx, rx 5000 series prices are similar to high end cards...probably due to not many being around.

[@ariskoin9612]

do these settings include stuff like fsr?

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

has me thinking, how is the "GTX"4050 GA107 going to do, hmmm. I heard rumor that the GA107 was a laptop part, and that gives me lots of doubts over the former 8GB GA106 RTX4050. Some say the reduced PCIe lane count don't matter, and that is quite contradictory to how the "GT"4060 and RX6500XT handles the reduced lane count.

[@aceattorneycrossovers7149]

Is ReBar or Smart Access Memory turned on in all of your tests with all cards?

[@shadow1021]

At the time this GPU was the only thing available. and it was one of the reasons the market recovered. looking at it from a "gaming" perspective is another flaw in this review. It's almost like Hardwareunboxed has a vendetta against this card. You must remember at the time even cards that where used as basic display adaptors for businesses where being put in "gaming" computers creating more of a shortage. GT1030s were selling in "gaming computers" at Walmart. 6600xt's were selling for over $500. I bought 4 6500xts for 199 each. this completely destroyed the market for people scalping all the low end 10 and 16 series, making less of a demand and recovering the market for businesses needing display adaptors. This alone helped stabilize the GPU market. The 6500 xt was never supposed to be a long term solution. It was an attempt to get people something to use cheap that would quell the insane demand and allow them to resupply. Saying "just wait" is great advice for the average person, but when a business needs display adaptors, or your child wants to play Minecraft on a PC that has been waiting on a GPU for 6 months and you can spend $199 to satisfy them for a few months, its a good value. I was actually blown away by its performance paired with an 11th gen i3, running games on medium. It played GTAV, Minecraft, Fortnight, Forza, at 1080p medium just fine and was quite capable to fill the gap. The 6500xt did exactly what it was supposed to do, it helped Lower GPU demand allowing the market to recover.

[@Z3t487]

Can i ask why you tested Counter Strike 2 at medium settings? I think it makes more sense to benchmark it at competitive settings aka lowest settings but textures at highest possible.

[@romeozor]

I got it for £100 off eBay maybe 2 months after its release and it's been paying wow in a secondary pc since. Works fine for that.

[@7lllll]

i wish you added rx6400 as well. very curious about it because of steve saying "what a garbage product" when it was the only one failing to give a playable performance for some game

[@markcentral]

Can you consider adding a weighed average fps chart - where you divide each fps in a chart by the max fps (achieved by the best result). That Results in a value between 0 and 1 for each gpu. That way, for example, adding an older game in your benchmark that runs at 500 fps doesn’t completely skew your average of earlier games that ran closer to the 0-100 fps regime. Otherwise, you are weighing older games that are more performant higher weight in the results instead of equally

[@sarabihyena]

Given how good AMD APU's like the 5700g are, why does something like this even exist? The value proposition seems near zero.

[@sopcannon]

is the 1080ti still getting driver updater? i wonder how it compares if it is getting updates.

[@chopcookies]

Its in another class from the 6500 xt. And it still gets updates

[@daemon4778]

There were a few 8GB 6500XT, is it possible for you guys to test one of those?