Radiomaster TX16S and others too

[@shinuza]

14:18 It is has touch screen, there will be an update in OpenTX to make it work, most likely 2.4.

[@Kabab]

Oh really. Intesting

[@shinuza]

@@Kabab BTW I find it slightly unfair to compare this to the former T16. The latest version has internal-charging, USB-C and the 4-in-1 multi-protocol module.

[@marc_frank]

@@shinuza * 5in1 jumper t18 has 915mhz built in, too

[@itsme-fr5fr]

@@shinuza probably just what he had laying around, that being said I understand your frustration considering they are now coming out with the t18 that also has a 5in1 module that now dose the frsky r9 900mhz protocol as well as all the other protocols that have been available in the older 4in1 multi module's

[@ThePapanoob]

Marc Frank wich doesnt work with crossfire and never will work with it. Its not even clear if it will connect to r9m. It looks like they connect to openlrs (wich is quite awefull)

[@WillFly4Food]

The fact that the TX16S has no ribbon cables is the biggest factor for me. I had several issues with the Jumper T16 and having to reset ribbon cables. Both my friend who also owned a T16 and myself wound up having these same ribbon cable issues and we both lost trust in the radio. Never had any crashes or failsafes related to the ribbon cables, but random switches and buttons would simply stop working, very annoying. Cudos to Radiomaster for going old school with a standard wiring harness/plug. Having now sold my Jumper T16 and seeing the internals of the TX16S, I know this Radiomaster is in my future. Thank you @kababfpv for making such an in depth and informative video!!

[@ThePurplePupUwU]

i wish i could like the t18 but the small premium details on the tx16s makes it so much better, plus the things i love about the t18 i would probably never ever use

[@daverips_]

I've always second guessed myself with the X9 Lite URUAV edition only because no one else uses it. Glad to see I'm not alone! I did the same mod and added full size crossfire, so nice how the module ends up protruding less than the handle.

[@Kabab]

Yeah it's actually quite a nice setup. Just unfortunate that I have a huge battery swinging under it too for the crossfire.

[@daverips_]

@@Kabab velcro! But yeah, still not perfect.

[@brandohim]

Great video. Thank you for everything you do for our community.

[@krsslim]

I got a radiomaster because my QX7 gave up & am very happy so far, it's so much nicer to fly & I already feel more comfortable with it than I ever did with the QX7. The radiomaster I received had some pretty strong gimbal springs & came with a spare set too, I'm guessing they might be the softer springs, thought I was going to have to order some stronger springs so cheers for that mate :p. The gimbals feel good & agree with me, the long throw makes it feel like having some natural expo

[@meralharbes]

22:35 The Jumpter T16 Pro Hall came with two sets of springs. The harder ones built in that were too hard for me and softer ones that made it perfect once I had put them in. Does the Radiomaster not come with a harder set?

[@Kabab]

Mine only cake with one and they're about the same as the ones on the base model t16 I have. Maybe slightly more firm

[@obinnaeke8067]

Just so you know ever since launch Jumper have been updating their T16. Nowadays it comes standard with USB C on top that also allows for charging and it also comes with the Multiprotocol module too as standard. Basically the T16 and the radiomaster T16S are the same radio except some small details like the more easy to hold rubber at the back and the usb c and those other connectors at the bottom on the radiomaster.

[@Kabab]

Yeah mine was the original one.

One major flaw of the jumper is the ribbon cables. I've been using Jumper T16 Pro for a while now and had 2 times now switch pairs fail on me, every time different switches and one-time roller didn't work. Every time I had to open up the radio unplug the ribbon cable from the mainboard and switch side, plug them back in then it would work again. Kinda getting frustrated by now, luckily every time it happened at home and not in the field.

[@Everett-xe3eg]

Been using my T16 v2 pro for last 3 weeks. Absolutley love it. Just figured out I can bind it to my 30mm quadcopter and use it(FQ777). Its fantastic. I feel like its a pro radio over my previous FSi6!

[@prefixcactus5221]

Really interesting, I've had the T16 since it came out, and I've been able to try out another guy's FS i6x, and surprisingly the gimbals felt extremely good, and it was quite nice to fly with. The software's lacking, though, but otherwise... seemed to be a solid radio.

[@pacificnorthwestpilots6050]

Is there any chance that you would release the cad files of your experimental radio? I would like to take the guts from a tx16s/flysky gimbals and put them into a smaller form factor.

[@Kabab]

unfortunately I don't actually have the CAD files. I cannot seem to find where they went. I just have the controller model. I haven't lost a file in a decade but this frikin one is missing... Sorry for the late replay. Haven't been around much but coming back.

[@jackmaddox4960]

I wonder if those grips on the back of the Radiomaster will fit on the Jumper? Seems like they should, as they look basically identical. Hopefully Radiomaster will sell those as a replacement part, along with the knurled metal scroll wheel... I was looking for a knurled metal scroll wheel for my T16 a couple days after I received it, I don't like the plastic one. I even looked into having a friend of mine fabricate one! Fingers crossed they sell it as a part, and that it can be swapped into the T16...

[@Kabab]

They don't fit. The plastic is completely different

[@jackmaddox4960]

Yeah, I commented before I'd watched the whole video, my bad; I spoke with someone I know recently who said he's working up a 3D printed version of those for the T16, along with some variations for different grip types/hand sizes... I imagine they'll be on thingverse before too long. But from what I saw later, it looks like other than the connector/cable type, the metal knurled scroll wheel should be swap-able; either way, I'm gonna try when it's available as a part. Thanks for the very comprehensive comparison!

[@thatflippinrabbit954]

I'm a noob at this new stuff but i have a question.Do these multiple transmission protocols support the telemetry side of it.For instance i'm a Hitec Aurora 9 user with Optima 7-9 recievers,will i loose my telemetry info?

[@staviation9238]

I just bought a tx16s and I would like to use it with a ardupilot/pixhawk sytem. which receiver would be better if i wanted to use fpv and a gymbol? i was looking at using a frsky receiver but is there a different brand/protocol i should go with?

[@Kabab]

It doesn't have a designated Rx. The Rxsr is probably the best option if you don't want to use an external tx like crossfire.

[@staviation9238]

@@Kabab Thank you for your response. I was looking at crossfire. But I am a beginner to the drone world. I purchased the tx16s with the micro crossfire option. But being a complete beginner I was looking at that as a future step. I do have experience with micro-controllers and rasberry pi . I might take a stab at using crossfire as it would give me better range. What do you usually use for a crossfire rx?

[@modocfpv6305]

how would you update the fw of your frsky receivers, if you have only a radiomaster. just do not, becuase no need?

[@Kabab]

I have tried to udpate my Frsky stuff so many times and it never works so I don't even bother.

[@modocfpv6305]

KababFPV I have successfully updated r-xsr and xm+ receivers via the smart port connection on my taranis qx7. No problem

[@Kabab]

@@modocfpv6305 you sir are an expert! That's like, one of the hardest things to do in the whole industry. I've spent a week trying to get it to work. Next you'll tell me you can bind R9 easily from memory too 🙈

[@modocfpv6305]

@@Kabab no. LOL. I have Crossfire.

[@EuLeRFPV]

Should I get this radio? I have a Q X7, but I hate the ergnomics for pinching. Than I switched to the Tango 2, liking the ergenomics a lot, put over 200hrs into DCL sim, but I have big problems to be consistent (no fullsize gimbals). So I switched last week back to my Q X7 and got a lot more consistent and even better times in racing, but I still hate the ergonomics. The grip unter the radio is too big to rest my little finger there and I have to remove some switches for pinching. Any advice?

[@Kabab]

I'd say no. If you have anything else that's already decent. This is a good radio, it's just not good enough to run towards if you don't need to.

[@ugpfpv361]

I always love the way you just bang and throw things around.

[@Kabab]

🙈 ain't nobody got time for feathering about. I've gotta finish the darn video! 😁

[@SomeTechGuy666]

Especially with the screw driver. No static mat, just bang and prod things with the screwdriver. All it will take is shorting one charged cap and zap... wrecked transmitter.

[@Kabab]

@@SomeTechGuy666 yep. Do as I say, not as I do 😁. But for real, look at the punishment we put FC's and ESC's through....I'd be surprised if my body has enough static charge to fry one of these dinosaur looking boards but you're absolutely right.

[@SomeTechGuy666]

@@Kabab Go read the IC handling guidelines from any IC manufacturer and you'll see what I mean.

[@Kabab]

@@SomeTechGuy666 yeah I know exactly what you mean but these boards in these particular products are just so rudimentary that they're robust at the same time. These aren't fine electionics

[@SomeTechGuy666]

@19:00. Large chip ? All these radios use a ST32F3xx/4xx. They all use the same package. They all have the same number of pins. None of these processors has more I/O than the other. The X9D Lite uses a controller with less I/O, but it has half the number of switches too. No sliders. etc. You want switches, knobs, sliders, etc, you processor I/O to interface with.

[@switchflip9550]

ive already ordered my radiomaster tx16s because my x9lite just didn't feel right. it feels cheap, not worth 100 bucks

[@zmanphx]

I have two I got as bargain. The electronics are rock solid. The sizing is too narrow with gimbal spacing is about 93mm. I am use to full size radio. Which I could 3d print a wider case.

[@zmanphx]

What is the gimbal spacing ( distance between) of the T16? I have the x9 lite and am use to wider spacing. I also like heavier springs as pincher. I actually measure the gimbal spring tension on all my controllers to adjust for same feel. I like around 75g at 50% travel above center and around 90 to 100g at full throw.

[@Kabab]

Yeah this radio isn't for you then. You're a lot like me. The lacking spring tension is a deal breaker for me too.

[@upperechelon3456]

This is a great refresher. Keep up the good work. Subscribed.

[@tenten8401]

Mine just shipped from heli-nation, really excited to get it!

[@andersmartinson5214]

Wow nice. Pre-ordered mine from fpvcrate a few days ago. When did you order yours?

[@tenten8401]

@@andersmartinson5214 April I think

[@sladek22]

Hy..What about the range? For example, I fly with gliders aprox. 700m-900m from me high above (if the termic is good), and that is the reason for this question ;-)

[@Kabab]

I wouldn't use the internal module for longer than maybe 200m. It's expected you'll run an external module on this thing.

[@sladek22]

OK thanks for quick answer!!

[@prefixcactus5221]

I fly gliders too, as well as powered planes, with the T16. With its external 4-in-1 the range was perfectly fine, and I'm expecting it to stay that way when I upgrade to internal. There's some variability in all radio equipment, though, so YMMV. Just keep your eye (or ear) on the RSSI readout and you should be fine.

[@alessandroammenti2384]

I was looking for a new radio and the nirvana seems to be the best option for me, but the one thing that's holding me back is the grip for pinchers. From old videos i've seen you have installed the 3d printed grips on the Nirvana but you didn't talk about them, how are these grips for pinching?

[@Kabab]

I wouldn't recommend the Nirvana for anyone. I never did from the beginning. Definitely would not recommend for pinching. I tried a number of printed grips. None were remotely as good as just a plain square controller. The best pinching controllers imo are the x9lite and then the tango 2 in that order. I don't like Frsky as a company but the x9 lite is really quite a gem. At least the physical form factor is. The software sucks. Mainly because they removed support for d8 and d16. So annoying

[@alessandroammenti2384]

@@Kabab thank you... I'm coming from flysky and i don't like the restricted output power on the tango 2 neither the fact that it only runs crossfire. I don't like the x9 lite either because it's frsky and because it doesn't have a module bay for crossfire (and also the shorter gimbal throw). I was hoping the jumper t18 had the futaba gimbals but it looks like it only has the same sensor but different gimbal mechanism. I think it will go with the radiomaster.

[@Kabab]

@@alessandroammenti2384 so far the jumper t18 and the radiomaster are not that great to me personally. I keep my x9 lite for sure. I just got the t18. Just haven't had a chance to make a video on it. The gimbals on both the radiomaster and jumper are not very good imo. The radiomaster is better but definitely needs way stronger springs. The x9 lite is the closest gimbal to full size and still good feel. Otherwise the only radios with full size gimbals are the x9d and qx7. Neither of which I would actually recommend. The x9 lite doesn't have a module bay but it's actually better if you use a full size crossfire. I have mine stuck to the smaller bay door and it's just two or three very easy solder points inside the radio to hook it up. I do hope there's an actual good radio on the horizon but I don't know of any at the moment.

[@alessandroammenti2384]

@@Kabab ok thank you. And what about the jumper t8sg? I think i've seen it in one of your comparison videos. It is pretty small, has a multiprotocol and a module bay, it also has hall gimbals but i don't know if they are full size, i guess they are not but it still looks like a good radio for 80€.

[@alessandroammenti2384]

@@Kabab shit now you are about to convince me on buying the x9 lite... What about the r9m lite pro 900mhz module? Did you try it? Btw it also found a cheap 30€ irangex multiprotocol module for the x9 lite (since i'm using flysky now)

[@blitzvinnigFPV]

Hmm shoul I upgrade from dx6i dsmx to the Radiomaster? Will the dsm have better or worse signal than my old dx6i?

[@Kabab]

Don't expect much from the internal module. It works but not for huge distances

[@EdturdEnfart]

have you come out with that whoop crossfire thing ? Or is that the baby tooth board ?

[@Kabab]

It's the babytooth board and on the way shortly

[@kyzafpv2247]

Why no x9d plus SE? it is still my go-to- big hall gimbals, jr bay, open tx, proven over time, heaps of parts/mods, very cheap second hand... the only thing the tx16s brings is a touch color screen which has no value to me at all. it is just another thing to worry about scratching.

[@Kabab]

the touch screen and big screen has zero value to me too...

[@prefixcactus5221]

The killer feature for me is the multiprotocol module. It's awesome to be able to bind to just about anything - whoops, toys, your friend's borrowed rx (or borrowed plane!), any other obscure stuff, AND have a brand-name 900MHz system in the module bay at the same time. The sheer versatility of this setup is truly awesome. The size, though... I'd love to have all that be 2x smaller as well, like the tango. Kinda weird to lug this beast and a tinywhoop together. So I still use the x-lite sometimes.

[@thiagobruciere3364]

Raiomaster TX16S vs Taranis X9D Plus SE. Disregarding the price, which would you choose?

[@Kabab]

Probably the taranis because the screen is more useful and I can balance the damn thing better in the hand with the hook. The radiomaster is better in many ways but not ways that matter to me personally.

[@christianandres1766]

I asked that a few times sorry but. Do the gimbals of the radiomaster are interchangeable with the jumper t16 ? And the grip things ?

[@Kabab]

Unfortunately they're not. The grips too. But it's not like the t16 gimbals are bad. The entire back side of the radiomaster is different. It just looks sort of similar

[@christianandres1766]

@@Kabab thank you! Im.fine so far with my t16 no issues. But wanted to know just in case... Thank you for your answer!

[@andrewc3609]

You think radiomaster will consider building a radio with the same form factor as the Tango2? a multiprotocol radio, opentx, a module bay and full size hall sensor gimbals. That would be a dream radio for me.

[@Kabab]

I'm trying to get them to.

[@MrJoris666]

Can you actually mix channels with the DJI radio? Has it all of the functionalities of a normal radio? I mean, it has no screen, so how do you do all of the adjustments, only when it’s connected to a computer? Besides, it don’t see why people all of sudden do like (again) such massive radios. I still like my compact X-lite, but I just fly whoops and micros.

[@Kabab]

You may be able to mix the DJI radio but it's not obvious in the osd menu. Or maybe they just haven't added that yet

[@matthewbarger4592]

ah bummer, i was really hoping the screen would be more visible as i fly gliders and am constantly tweaking my controls, so thats out for me

[@bluenightfpv2672]

What are the negative aspects of the control

[@Kabab]

It's HUGE and the gimbal springs are really weak for my taste. That's about it.

[@bluenightfpv2672]

@@Kabab thanks

[@bluenightfpv2672]

@@Kabab taranis qx7 vs radiomaster t16 which is better,Which one is better as software or hardware?

[@Kabab]

@@bluenightfpv2672 neither imo but the radiomaster is what I'd go with if I had to choose.

[@IanF-FPV]

Those gimbals look so cheap in the Jumper and RadioMaster. The ones in the Nirvana NV14 are so solid. Do they have ball bearing support? Also have you ever seen a FlySky I-10? If you want a radio with a thinner profile that would be it. Main thing that is lacking is no hall effects gimbals and JR module bay. If it just had the JR bay I would have kept mines.

[@Kabab]

The Nirvana ones may have a more substantial back end but they feel way cheaper than anything to me. All these gimbals have bearings. Unfortunately there's still no controller that has it all and does it all.

[@IanF-FPV]

@@Kabab Absolutely....we already voiced our distaste for Opentx. Will agree to disagree about the gimbals on the NV14. Really wish I had access to a high end Futaba, Jeti, or Mikado Vbar controller to compare.

[@pksteffen]

I wanted a Tango 2 with D8/16 option via module but since that didn’t happen, I bought this big lug. Was also hoping screen would be more legible than my X9D in sunlight but sounds like that hope is dashed. :)

[@genna87]

Why I'm watching this video? I already have ordered a Tango 2. I'll definitely treat it better than Bob 😆

[@blastofffpv]

TX16s or X9 Lite S? I’m currently on xlite and want bigger sticks and good ergonomics, if you know what I mean. Also only running frsky receivers at the moment..

[@Kabab]

Neither. Wait for the next.

[@steelrainfpv3383]

What about the Nirvana and where it compares with this lineup Bob, is that gone with the wind and dead in the water at this point? There seemed to be a lot of hype surrounding that controllers promising capabilities and form factor, yet it appears to have fizzled out.

[@Kabab]

I was never a big fan of it. Just too crazy for me. It was very well made however. Maybe the very best made controller. Just not a fan of the grip and the gimbals.

[@MrVlodato]

damn i been using the same qx7 i got when i started the hobby in like 2017. i changed the housing to the fake carbon one and put in the m7 hall gimbals with the aluminum bezels, crossfire micro. i been kind of getting an itch for a new radio but im trying to control myself. your not helping.

[@Kabab]

Keep your QX7. there's nothing compelling enough to switch to for now.

[@3eggerfpv397]

Looks to be a nice radio! Since switching to an xLite from the QX7, took me about ten packs to get comfortable, but I would not want a full sized radio again. Maybe for pinchers and hybrids, a full size radio is best, but for a thumber, the xLite is pretty sweet!

[@velazco6017]

Are those stick ends on the tango 2 the foldable ones? Or are they different after market ones?

[@Kabab]

These that I have are the foldable ones. I wouldn't say the fold is worth it.

[@burned_esc]

there're some HARDWARE CHANGES to the 3rd batch of RADIOMASTER T16s the protective film on the touch screen doesn't have a grid pattern on it anymore that so many thought to be the touch screen pattern, there's a larger louder speaker installed in the back cover not in the back of the grid in front, so two halves are now connected by two cables, probably important info for anybody opening the radio for the first time, the gimbals have both sets of springs and tensioners so you don't have to physically swap them to change the gimbal mode, the project box is replaced with a simple flat plastic cover and you get extra screen protector in the box. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHuzhK2enp5koNk

[@outboxfpv4360]

Tango or Radiomaster if we are going to you CRSF??

[@Kabab]

Radiomaster. I really like full size gimbals

[@DemoPwr]

WOW, I was debating whether or not to get the Radio Master or Jumper, I got the Jumper, but for the price of the Radio Master, it should've been the one. Your practically saving a hundred dollars. Oh well, both are awesome....thanks Kabab!

[@justhackitfpv]

Does QX7 has full sized gimbals?

[@Kabab]

Yes. The qx7 and x9d are the original full size gimbal controllers

[@deruhu9163]

I alsow think that the Radiomaster TX16S is better with the wihering than the normal T16 because those flex cabels can easyly brake if you fold them . Overall i think that the normal cabels are better because they dont just have a big copper trace they consist out of small wires inside so they are not so likely to brake alsow black soldermask isn't that common as green one is so the spend more on that thanks for the revrew really helped me.. hope there will come more tothpick stuff...

[@prefixcactus5221]

uh, it actually costs the same to manufacture PCBs with any color of solder mask, although I agree that black PCBs look cooler :)

[@deruhu9163]

@@prefixcactus5221 jeah black pcbs yust look cooler

[@ruikade251]

If radiomaster sells that hall sensor gimbal separately, I can install them to my x9 lite.

[@Kabab]

Unfortunately no.

[@ibnfpv]

How about center of gravity and holding filling , I think maybe that the x9d that have the battery on the bottom and horizontal is spared the wight in abetted way in compare to vertical battery , Other then that value for money it seems great!

[@Kabab]

Only the tango 2 is good at that. The rest such for balance as you already know

[@VLena_art]

Taranis qx7 or radiomaster????

[@Kabab]

Definitely radiomaster between those two

[@TheMadmacs]

apart from the touchscreen which is useless in daylight it looks great, basic led screen would be preferable to everybody in fpv, and its cheaper?

[@adamhasan7370]

4:56 rip tango 2

[@DrMacca]

I actually gasped! 🤣🤣

[@freelaxfpv3225]

I was shocked too 🤣

[@EDCandLace]

Telling you how much he cares about it lol.

[@hallio111]

well he threw it on the sofa...

[@FPV-Drones]

Many people is talking about this transmiter, and I know some guys who already bought it. Good to listen that it is a good choice. Anyway I will continue with my X9 Lite Pro, I love it´s size and how good you feel it when you fly.

[@WEEBER13]

Appreciate the review Bob!

[@andersmartinson5214]

yeah I can definitely appreciate the internals of the tx16s. My qx7 had a weird click in the pitch and when I opened the radio it turned out the wire from the gimbal wasn't seated in the little slot that was designed to keep the wire out of the way... And that was out of the box. The tx16s is a lot more tidy inside too. Thanks for showing inside I really value that.

[@klavifon]

Could you be a little more gentle to these radios? Smacking those poor gimbals like crazy. And battery trays hanging down everywhere... 😂 Otherwise a good review of Radiomaster. I’m happy with my Jumper so far except occasional issues with ribbon cabels. Cheers from Slovenia 🇸🇮

[@Kabab]

😁

[@stevefox3763]

The screen is massively useful, it supports GPS mapping and full telemetry including artificial horizon!

[@Kabab]

Well, for those that use that stuff, sure. And that's why the controller is such a great value. For fpv quad people only....we don't even look at the screen other to see if the controller is on.

[@MaxBeamer]

Wow I wasn’t expecting to like this thing since I dislike the t16 so much but shallow and full size gimbles with a thick body are right up my alley! is it similar in the hand to the Qx7? I’ve tried so many but end up going back to the Qx7 at the same time Im looking for something better haha

[@Kabab]

The qx7 feels even larger in the hand. They're somewhat similar. I'd prefer the radiomaster

[@MaxBeamer]

KababFPV I think ima snag the tx18pro when it comes out for those futaba gimbles 😍

[@spodfpv5930]

Thanks for the informative video! Has this got the same functionality to flash receivers as the Taranis series? I know it’s got those two UARTs on the bottom - can you use those or is there a way to use the SmartPort pin in the module bay? Thanks!

[@Kabab]

Probably. It's got all sorts of pins all over every nook and cranny.

[@spodfpv5930]

KababFPV awesome, that’s good to know - thanks for the reply!

[@Kabab]

@@spodfpv5930 I don't know for sure however

[@spodfpv5930]

KababFPV no worries - I’ve got one on preorder so I’ll check it out when it gets here. Thanks!

[@ShebanFPV]

Thanks for the review, appreciated 👍🏻 Interesting thoughts and observations 🤔 Which RC would you recommend for simulators, something small and very basic, easy to travel with and with decent gimbals like TBS Tango? DJI Remote is so huge and awkward with that usb-c at the bottom 🤦🏻‍♂️ Thanks 👍🏻

[@prefixcactus5221]

I'd say, unless you're only going to do simulators, whatever remote you're going to actually fly with, since the muscle memory changes between different physical layouts. Otherwise, AFAIK the major contenders as a compact remote now are X-lite and tango2. Which one you choose is up to you. I have the x-lite and like it for convenience with sims, but I have to train in the sim on my T16 as well, since it has a very different feel for me.

[@Kabab]

At this point I think the BetaFPV RadioLite 2 is the very best option for super beginners not looking to spend much and play simulators and also getting basic quads up and running with minimal investment. I say this especially because I know there are a few more radios on the way over the next several months...

[@DutchRC]

You know what? All them cheap-ass radio's (yes. I Regularly use the Jumper T16) somehow make me feel like saving up for a GOOD radio :P And I wish that could still be a frsky but yeah.. that balloon got popped ;)

[@Kabab]

Hence the IDGAF clanking together 🙈

[@DutchRC]

@@Kabab there you go :)

[@knowhere2014]

is the Flysky radio not working out well enough Dutch?

[@DutchRC]

@@knowhere2014 good Q! Great radio with 1 flaw (for now): the firmware coders forgot about FPV drones :P

[@mtlfpv]

All this messing around with cheap radios makes me want to go and get a futaba or a powerbox radio lol

[@sleepingpanda8927]

The way you handled and banging around these TX was giving me anxiety. Not to say it was wrong. I just tend to handle mine like they are made of glass 😆

[@BHhitting]

Do those Radiomaster grips fit onto the Jumper?! If so, I'm ordering them forsure.

[@Kabab]

no they've got totally different plastic structure under.

[@BHhitting]

@@Kabab Ah bummer. Thanks for the quick reply dude, great review as always!

[@samuelratcliff6062]

Unrelated to the video but what hero 8 settings do you run Kabab? Do you still use ND filters?

[@Kabab]

Definitely using the NDs. They're required imo. I run defaults on the hero 8 with 4k/30 on the low quality setting because the high setting is ridiculous. I'm not running movie footage here...

[@MuratErdeveci]

tx16s vs X9D+ SE 2019 ?

[@Kabab]

I'd probably go with the x9D. I like the gimbals more even though I hate the company

[@bozosni]

I can't wait for my radiomaster TX16S to arrive. Please tell me how did you fit the lite size module on the X9lite?? Is it how it is made? Fore lite modules only like x-lite?

[@Kabab]

I show how in the video about the x9lite. It's quite simple.

[@menageartois]

It would have been interesting to see the inside of the tango 2 as it also has full size hall gimbals

[@Kabab]

I'll open it up for the next controller to compare

[@RCnerd74]

The radiomaster looks great. But i still stay with my Jumper T8SG V2.0 plus. Super small, powerful and lightweight. Great for saving weight if you go for long hikes...

[@SettekFpv]

Thanks for your feedback

[@gautamkrishna7421]

I would think that Frsky X2 is accst d16 v2

[@tehllama42]

Patreon-only content is great, but save some love for the Pleb crew!

[@joevo2]

Wow you gonna make a crossfire repeater for us to play with whoop? Or is a different thing? Like a board with crossfire built in :D exciting times

[@Kabab]

Oh I've for better for you 🙂

[@joevo2]

KababFPV :D D16/8 module for tango 2 can’t wait 😊

[@MrTopli]

Everytime he says "this video could be x times longer" I get so curious to what he could say... Would watch it the whole way tbh

[@Kabab]

I could talk for hours and hours on end about seemingly anything 🙈

[@marc_frank]

@@Kabab Matthew 12:34 [...] For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

[@Kabab]

Radiomaster TX16S: bit.ly/2SZg8En it's getting more kitchen sink, apparently a software update will activate the touch screen. Frsky X9Lite (with hall sensors): bit.ly/2M2HS8x Video 1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ6vqKZ-jLeMibs Video 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJeUaquKqrmDiLM To be absolutely clear, I only use the X9Lite because I like it's smaller size and was able to hack it a bit to get my full size crossfire to work. Otherwise, I no longer recommend any FrSky controller out there since things like this Radiomaster exist. FrSky's recent radio protocols around ACCESS and their TBS Copied and completely rubbish R9 system are not appreciated. Frsky has also had a bad attitude about the industry in general. ▼Join my FB group for more discussion: Kabab FPV facebook.com/groups/379155946182689/ The store: www.FPVCycle.com ▼ My typical 5" quad setup: -Hyperlite Glide Floss Lite: fpvcycle.com/collections/frames -Motor: bit.ly/2Nqqr25 -ESC: bit.ly/2oDdzvL -WaFL’s Cap Cap: bit.ly/2GUpXxO -Battery: bit.ly/2JnsTDM -FC: bit.ly/2XRc8G8 -FPV Cam: bit.ly/2Q7LfL7 -Vtx: bit.ly/38Y25oz -ND GoPro Mount 30deg: bit.ly/2WC15zc -ND Filter (if used): bit.ly/2WEmQ1j FPVCycle 1303: bit.ly/2y9I5BP (should be in stock on Apr, 4) Amax ET1303: bit.ly/2vPWgLB T-Motor 1303: No clue where this is sold ▼Notable motors: -Xing 2306: bit.ly/2Nqqr25 -Xing 2208: bit.ly/2y3te8R -FANTASTIC 6" motor: bit.ly/2LqghOZ ▼Starter goggles: bit.ly/2qbJNOS ▼ If you want to solder better: -Fantastic solder: amzn.to/2P5QM2W -Fantastic iron: goo.gl/DqBipa ▼ Tips? Patreon: bit.ly/2oGLP9b -PayPal: www.paypal.me/kababfpv -Bitcoin: 1E4XZXoD4rS6MYWVWuenY7Kw2M1YgyNpoQ -Nano: xrb_1188ek5bd7tb9kw67asnp9o65byuoaxbtpxuznx1ribf75x78awywmakj55f -ETH: 0xD067F93811f2eC31CB1928901002dfdf9A492EF5 -LTC: La2KWYAjp4VT2Lq2M76pbjzXWvRyjpfCtG -Tesla Referal code: ts.la/bob40889 Please use my referral code if you're gonna buy a Tesla. You get some free stuff when you do and I get better status with Tesla.

[@shinuza]

Hey, there's a table of contents feature in KZbin now. Might save you the hassle to integrate it in whatever editor you are using

[@kwadfordfpv7562]

Ive been hearing about this transmitter for a bit but could not find a proper review. nice to finally see one.

[@dauntlessfpv]

*throws tango 2* 4:56 *shows how a new tx16 is made when 2 tx16s love each other very much* 11:15

[@zoltangremsperger5361]

I'm planning to get a new radio and for me the best choice is the Tango 2, based on the reviews I saw.

[@Kabab]

Good choice

[@prefixcactus5221]

Well thanks, now I think I want the to upgrade to the radiomaster from my preorder T16, just cause I love weak gimbal springs and it's nice to have the UARTs on the bottom and the marginally better build quality. Also the the cool(er) black case. And that's just after buying the full upgrade kit for the T16 that adds the hall gimbals and internal module and USB-C and everything. Somebody stop me please.

[@Kabab]

Yeah it's interesting to me that many people do prefer weak spring tension. This is definitely the radio for you then.

[@EDCandLace]

Ill keep flying my 18mz WC/Crossfire on drones/Fasstest on 3d heli and planes. Love my Graupner MZ32 Pro that i have flew for 1.5 years under sponsorship but not that GraupnerUSA/SJ hobbies has shut down/out of business (under restructuring and no idea of when we will have a US distributor) so they are no longer paying me so i went back to Futaba. I may wind up buying a T18 Pro as a back pack radio for quads and park flyers. I have never flew these low end high performance radios. I have always flew top tier radios (starting with a Airtronics Infinity 660 when i first started flying planes at 8 it was my dad's radio and he gave it to me when i first started flying a .40 size trainer then on to a Futaba 8U computer radio then Futaba top end radio a 9z WC then 14MZ then 18MZ then Graupner MZ24 then MZ24 Pro then MZ32 PRO... Likely will fly for Futaba again under sponsorship and then will be flying a 32MZ) I really hope that the low end radios feel decent as it would be nice to have a 200 dollar radio that i don't have to be ultra careful with (18mz is a 3000 dollar radio so you won't be tossing them down lol) and could use super cheap Receivers (those 8 dollar 6ch DSMX rxs are fantastic for park flyers) Im gonna buy one and it's nice that it has a Futaba 18mz-ish case design so the feel will be at least familiar. If the gimbles feel 25% as nice as the Futaba gimbles i will be totally in love with it as a back pack radio!!!!

[@ojkolsrud1]

Hey dude, can you throw your radios around just a little bit more carelessly? I think these didn't break or anything.

[@Kabab]

:-D

[@itsmatthijs]

A lot of your referral links in the decription dont work anymore ;-)

[@Kabab]

😑 thanks. I'll update them soon.

[@adrianmaftei6806]

That's not a fair comparison. You are comparing the very first Jumper T16 with the Radiomaster.

[@Kabab]

Yeah I know but it's all I have. Still, I would go with the radiomaster today. It is genuinely better

[@robinbiskupic2639]

No nirvana?

[@Kabab]

I never liked that thing. It's just too crazy shaped. It is made excellent however

[@robinbiskupic2639]

@@Kabab Personally I love the design but it is definitely polarising

[@licensetodrive9930]

Thoroughly pissed at Jumper for the use of ribbon cables in the T16, only managed to use half my packs yesterday because of the KEY STUCK issue. Had to reseat ribbon cables when I got home to get it working. 3rd time this year. Turns out the ribbon cable issue reared its ugly head 5 months before I bought my T16, yet Jumper continued to make & sell them with this fault - screw em, I'll look at other options in the future before I consider Jumper products again.

[@Kabab]

yeah, quite annoying

[@licensetodrive9930]

I've never had a product's ribbon cable situation fail that had zero user interaction. My T16 heated up in the sun and the KEY STUCK issue appeared. I wonder if putting long cables to the buttons either side of the screen will fix the issue, the short cables there don't look happy twisted in that manner.

[@spartan-fpv6936]

Gday Bob, great info i beleive that radiomaster have put a touch screen or are going put a touch screen on there pro version like the Jumper T18 pro has but its not supported with software yet, the price the radiomaster seems awsome and as for the T16 version that you have ( Red T16 Badge is the first version) the 2.0 version black badge had the hall effect gimbals and version 3.0 has the internal battery charging and the usb c on top, but after all that the Radiomaster leaves it in the dust, great review and awsome sneak peak.👍🛸

[@Kabab]

They say they're going to do a touch screen. I'm hoping they'll just have a much much smaller screen instead.

[@FPV-Drones]

@@Kabab Anyway it looks the soft is not prepared for the touchscreen yet, right?

[@erikzirger2131]

I noticed you listed bangood in the description, just asking if you would actually recommend bangood or if its even reliable? I have never tried bangood and wonder if i should by the radiomaster from them or somewhere else. Thanks

[@Kabab]

Banggood is actually quite reliable. They're not perfect but they do offer more support for various KZbinrs than anyone else. The affiliate money is hugely appreciated and is what keeps most channels going. Ordering domestic is a bit easier since you can usually get support from someone who speaks English. But if you're not in the US, stores are limited and any US retailer will need to ship international which means customs is a bitch to deal with. Use whatever works for you but if you're going to order from banggood, at least click on links from whatever KZbinr you like because it costs you nothing and it does help them.

[@erikzirger2131]

@@Kabab of course and thank you

[@andrewjamez]

As far as screens go...do you like tiny tv’s?..nough said.

[@Kabab]

well I like the TV I can see....in my goggles.

[@prefixcactus5221]

@@Kabab Ok, business plan: make an addon that shows information from your TX inside the goggles. Probably easiest to do with TBS products since they already have their own VRX module and wifi interconnectivity

[@Switch180fpv]

I dont know, I like so much the gamer style controller, I've finally got tango 2 pro, and for whoop I got the X-Lite one, I'm filling complete, but I like your videos 😊

[@Fenerbachce5]

Hi guys, is this the hall gimbal or normal gimbal version? I''m not sure if i got scammed by a online vendor... Thanks in advance! s12.directupload.net/images/200717/9jy3us4j.jpg

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic review, Bob! 😃 I want one of this!!! 😂 Stay safe there! 🖖😊

[@lf5133]

Hard not to be a little cynical. I remember your review and so many others raving about the JumperT16 which I bought based on those receives. Now it’s a piece of ?@! Gimbals to small, grips not big enough, gables instead of wiring. Today’s flavor T16S.

[@Kabab]

No way is the T16 bad. Do not change. It's still as good as it gets really. Nearly nobody needs all these features. Nothing in the way of controllers is really all that compelling yet imo.

[@choppergirl]

I found the Hex Head L tool that came with my TS100 soldering iron fits the hex screw of the gimbal spring tension adjustors perfectly. I ratcheted mine down on all three springs (full clockwise until stop) to the loosest possible on all of them, as the factory setting was like hitting a bone jarring speed bump every time you crossed any center position... klicky clack clickety klack railroad track. Goodbye to that asap. Quad pilots don't want that. It's sweet now and loosey goosey. I've been trying for days to get mine to bind to my color TV and get it to change the channels on it, all to no avail. Are you suppose to go through the CableTV box or what? I go into Open TX and try to create a model for Samsung Flatpanel 32" but not sure what protocol to chose. B-p air-war.org

[@adamhasan7370]

Super excited for my tx16s with crossfireeee, hehe good bye qx7

[@WEEBER13]

Got to love the design of the qx7 though. I just think it looks cool. Already sold mine for the Tango 2 though! :-)

[@ariafpv]

@@WEEBER13 I hate the looks of my qx7😂 It's just a big and heavy box. But I don't really care what radio I am using

[@electrobob1]

Still using my blue qx7 with M7R on throttle rocker but with new regulations coming it makes less sense to buy an upgrade... For newcomers I might push them towards toothpick style to keep costs down and have fun in the park as well in a safe manner so wondering why the Beta Tx would be adequate and more convenient instead of a full blown Tx.. Still have to solder my Hyperglide but somehow lost interest due to these regulations.

[@ariafpv]

@@electrobob1 Thats really sad. Regulations want to kill the hobby. We don't have a weight limit here, but if they would change it to 250g, I would still fly longrange with a 7inch because no one cares about that in the area where I live

[@ivannicolas1246]

i don't even have one,too expensive in my country,with tax..1/3 of my salary a month..but i like your explanation is honest..

[@Kabab]

BetaFPV lite 2 radio is fantastic for budget

[@JAKOB1977]

You come across quite honest and sincere..appreciated.

[@manvsfoodfpv]

I just bought x9d plus. Then radiomaster came out.damn

[@Kabab]

It's still good and the sticks feel better on it still.

[@manvsfoodfpv]

@@Kabab hope u stick to your taranis

[@wolffpv535]

DJI is the big X factor. Once you fly it, its like crack, you don't want to fly analog. And if you fly short range freestyle, like most of us do, you don't really need crossfire. And yes, we all love crossfire. And FrSky has botched everything. And do we really need screens on our radios? DJI could be a small step away from also owning the transmitter market, too, if it makes some smart next steps. Cheaper unit, expansion bay, open standards.

[@Kabab]

I just hope DJI continues to develop in this space and doesn't give up like the last time.

[@rydfree]

I'm surprised any of your electronics still work ,lol

[@Kabab]

lol I put them through the ringer. I need to know what does and doesn't work. It's necessary for my success. If I don't find a fault with it, either I was asleep or drunk or it's really stellar.

[@angelfpv4825]

yassss im waiting for crsf whoops! really want the tango 2 but cant find anything in stock anywhere

[@Kabab]

I'm working on it

[@WiktorFPV-]

kinda annoyed youre comparing it to the oldest jumper that doesnt even have internal multiprotocol lol. Also, just because the pcb isnt painted and "cool looking" the jumper looks cheaper to you? If youre referring to the paint cost then sure :P

[@Kabab]

no not the paint. The solder points and processing of the board just looks better. But like I said in the video, that doesn't mean it's actually better, just looks like it should be.

[@joshlizee1897]

I'd be happy to buy it from you, I was thinking about going with dji controller, but might just get one of these. Not sure yet

[@Kabab]

go with DJI