Radio Westeros E9 - The Brotherhood Without Banners

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E9 - The Brotherhood Without Banners
Intro
Overview & Origins
Reading - The BwB Manifesto
Inspiration - Robin Hood & the Kingswood Brotherhood
Theory - Lem = Richard Lonmouth
Song - 'Maiden of the Tree' sung by Lady Gwynhyfvar
Reading - Trouble in the Riverlands
The BwB Conspiring in the Riverlands
Advert - Crannog Travellers Hostel
BwB - Where are they now?
Outro
Licencing - www.tearsofbloo...
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[@davidryan7386]

Awesome show. Love going back to the old ones. Ty!

[@maryharrison6948]

I forgot to mention that your Lem theory is a stroke of genius. I didn't pick up on that before. Thanks..

[@crinklescat1871]

I'm really late but I love this channel. I found you guys from searching about the grand northern conspiracy and then listened to the video on lady stoneheart. That reading from the scene of the red wedding was heart wrenching and the best I've heard.

[@RadioWesteros]

Thanks very much, and welcome aboard! Hope you continue to enjoy the back catalog :)

[@apoorvaraj7121]

Lady Gwyn great singing do it more often please ... Already a fan ...

[@mamiek]

Really enjoyed your song Lady Gwyn! Great episode love the Lem theory.

[@bkilg2509]

Just re listened to this yesterday and it was sooo good that I comfort listened again today. I think it's your best episode... if not this one then the crossroads! Thanks so much for filling the void of the Long Wait and allowing me to get sooooooooooo much more out of these books. I await your every podcast with as much anticipation as I have for WOW.

[@michal22011]

That's one of best episodes for me. I didn't pay so much attention to BwB while reading the books maybe because they dont have banners ;)

[@TwistedTentacleInn]

I like the Maiden of the tree song! Lady Gwen sounds great

[@RadioWesteros]

+vasilie crisan Thanks for that! Glad you enjoyed :)

[@NeoLudditevisons]

The readings an choice of music on your show are excellent!

[@RadioWesteros]

Thanks for listening, glad you're enjoying ;)

[@NeoLudditevisons]

Radio Westeros 100% enjoyable! gets me through doing reports in work ;-)

[@RadioWesteros]

NeoLudditevisons we did use this show format to try and entertain, so if it's helping you get through a boring work day, we're pleased too! Good luck with those reports, and a new episode will be out on the 9th.

[@NeoLudditevisons]

Excellent! keep up the pin point analysis >)

[@dreyk.4000]

My fav episode...you guys do a great job. And great job singing Lady Gwyn.

[@angel55558]

OMG! I can't believe I missed so much detail in AFFC!!! Such an amazing podcast. I definitely need to reread

[@angel55558]

Maiden of the tree song starts at 37:40 :)

[@RadioWesteros]

Thanks for linking that, and hope you enjoyed the song! - yolkboy

[@angel55558]

L. Gwynhyfvar Thanks yolkboy! cant wait for episode 10!

[@donwitt]

L. Gwynhyfvar okay, that was pretty cool. first time over here and you sing to me. Subbed, and will listen to more

[@cleonRIP]

THANK YOU!!

[@watchouttheangel]

Like it a lot, very nicely sung Lady G.

[@Grencle]

I discovered your channel a week ago and it's quickly become my favourite go-to for info on the asoiaf saga. I find myself taking my time listening to each episode and enjoying it immensely. I love your in-depth analysis of the characters, the theories, readings from the canon, your voices and in this episode Lady Gwyn's singing. (Like seriously, wow!) How do you not have millions of views?!

[@mariedriskell6846]

Beautiful rendition of the song Lady Gwen! you did it right and very well!

[@RadioWesteros]

Thanks so much Marie!

[@lili46038]

That song is beautiful. And this épisode is great, as always.

[@RadioWesteros]

Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@maryharrison6948]

Bravo. So enjoyable on many levels. Thanks. This episode really helped me to understand more clearly the shift I felt when reading once Lady Stoneheart is "awakened". I love the Robin Hood parallel. Loved the song, it really sets the proper tone. I look forward to the coming "storm" in the river lands. I was very fond of Lord Beric and his motley crew. An excellent episode choice.

[@watchouttheangel]

Excellent thorough accurate analysis, and very enjoyable too. 👍👏👏👏👏

[@Dysastyr]

these podcasts are absolutely amazing! i found them after ur guest spot on History of Westeros(AA Podcast) which was great. thank you very much for the wonderful effort u two put into these.

[@RadioWesteros]

+Jorah the Thrice-Exiled no problem, and glad you found us ;)

[@everdawn8212]

Loved your song Lady Gwen! Great job!

[@RadioWesteros]

+Ever Dawn thanks for that! :)

[@jgiledw]

I've said it time and time again the winds of winter will be revenge of the starks well done guys!!

[@RadioWesteros]

Thanks, and let us pray for "a shitstorm of Stark-Tully vengeance" ;)

[@jgiledw]

L. Gwynhyfvar​ it can't come soon enough I really enjoyed this episode I will be listening to the Lady Stoneheart episode a little later like I said well done!!

[@davidryan7386]

lem theory supremo! grrm keeps the easter eggs coming

[@TheDreadedBeauty]

I just wanted to say that my fussy baby quieted right down when your song started, Lady Gwynhyfvar. You did a great job!

[@ladygwyn3690]

It's been a few years since I got to sing for a fussy baby, and I honestly can't think of any higher praise

[@valipunctro]

I would love it if the BWB have negotiated some autonomy for the small folk for their support of the tuly/starks

[@kyle5212]

Happy Holidays! Thanks for the great update again :)

[@RadioWesteros]

Thanks and happy holidays to you also Kyle!

[@Sifu-intraining]

i really like the music that you play at the start of the vid

[@salo874]

the night is dark and full of terrors

[@robhuck2828]

Great podcast. Keep it up!

[@RadioWesteros]

Thanks Rob, we will do our best and thx for listening

[@michaelbateman6737]

Great podcast again lads and so soon after the last one. That's what i like to see. Every one has new and different opinions to anything else out there. Who knew that the North had such big plans? Sounds like ur dead on about Lem too? Best ASOIAF podcast going. Keep it up

[@RadioWesteros]

Thanks Michael! We'll try to keep up the pace in 2015, and will take a much closer look at the politics of the North before too long :)

[@hafsahmuzammil1479]

you guys are amazing!!!!!

[@like_sticker623]

Great work guys!!!

[@RadioWesteros]

Thanks for the support Dina :)

[@TWard-je6mr]

I'm way late to your show, but I have to say it is fantastic!

[@RadioWesteros]

It's never too late! Thanks for finding us and hope you enjoy the show! -yb

[@davidbot5498]

Stellar stellar stellar!!! Really appreciate you guys for putting in this much effort, just discovered your channel a couple of days ago and it's made my days a little better :) Keep up the great work

[@RadioWesteros]

+YaBoyGeorgeClooney Bot Thanks for the kind comment ;) -yolkboy

[@renzgarcia84]

Raff does seem to complete his mission of delivering Ser Robin Ryger and Ser Desmond Grell, considering Harys Swyft takes him as a guard in his trip to Braavos And just to clarify that Anguy is not Dornish but from the Dornish Marches in the Stormlands

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

While the individual make up of the BWB (and KWB) is based on Robin Hood and his Merry Men, how the BWB actually operates (as we see during Arya's time with them) and prosecutes their war is largely based on resistance, partisan, insurgent, and just plain bandit groups of the 20th and 21st century - particularly the ones sprinkled literally in every occupied country during the Second World War. In fact, I'd argue this mix of cold realism (including the undercurrent of collective guilt and the eventual turn the BWB undertakes whilst LSH is at the helm), with the 'romantic' imagery of Robin Hood is right up GRRM's alley. In truth, while these groups would often act as a surreptitious police force - when pressed against the wall and in need of supplies they would have little apprehensions from engaging in the same 'forced requisitioning' of the resources of the same people they'd otherwise protect. That's the hard truth, and GRRM doesn't shy away from this in portraying the BWB.

[@yvescallaert7923]

This lends credit to the idea of the of 3 heads of the dragon in the Azor Ahai prophecy to point to Jon, Brienne (mother unknown and thus could still be targ, link to Duncan the Tall, and the obvious personification of Sir Gallahad) and The (next) Star of the Morning (Who in the house of Dayne is worthy?.. and who has the Targ connection?). It would indeed be interesting if Lem is indeed Richard Lonmouth as the missing piece of information between Rhaegar and Robbert. He might also know more about Ned Stark's involvement, and also has a connection with the House of Dayne (or information) trough Edric, and might have been in a good position to know more about Ashara (and Allyria). Interesting to see is the symbolism of the sigils of the House Of Dayne ( in connection with Dawn, and the Sword of the Morning) and the House of Tarth (sigil: Night and Day, Day and Night.. that now seems to have a connection with the sigil of Duncan The Tall - who also has a connection with /knowledge of King Aegon and Prince Rhaegar, and Brienne seems very fire and ice as a character on top of that). But also both of these houses seem to have an odd connection with the Brotherhood without Banners and the fact that they don't have a sigil (symbolicly 'a darkness/night'). Although they seem to become even darker in purpose, but also collecting more sigils under the leadership of Lady Stoneheart. Remarkable how little we actually know about the House of Dayne and its family tree or its knights. It feels like there might be lots of allusions towards them, but little to tie it up.

[@stuartarms]

Excellent. Keep them coming : )

[@RadioWesteros]

will do Stuart, thx for listening ;)

[@thesnowinwinterfell2571]

This was my favorite so far. The Lem=Lonmouth theory is stellar and the idea about The Blackfish about to make an attempt at teaching Edmure and Jeyne is the same one I had. Keep up the good work. What's the next one going to be about?

[@adammorrison5840]

Did the riverland lords help the bwb before or after being intimidated by lady stoneheart??? And could the bandits with wolfish hearts actually be nymeria's actual wolf pack hunting frey and lannister men?

[@hollin220]

Was this the episode with the The Neck hostel bit in it? If so could someone post the approximate time of when it starts? Thanks! Also this is the first RW podcast I listened to. You guys are great. I found out about RW from History of Westeros (AA podcast). I love your guest appearances on that show. I am really enjoying your radio show style with the music, readings and the spoof commercials.

[@RadioWesteros]

hollin220 thanks so much! Glad you found us and hope you keep listening :) The Neck Travellers' Hostel bit is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpyog6iLbcplrs0h6m26s

[@joyceshelton8306]

hollin220 n

[@TheKrostiman]

I really love your show (I'm busy with my second listening) but the BWB have no affinity for the North. The Zombie is a Tully and the BWB has as much contempt for Lions as for Wolfs. Perhaps they have ulterior motives in addition to vengeance! The Black Fish squired for a Targaryen supporter, the Darys and other riverland houses were aswell.

[@ThePeterBluth]

It's not so much that they have contempt for either party as much as it's contempt for their actions.

[@osirisgem]

Hey I was thinking about the BWB and I had a question that I couldn't answer and I found nothing in storm about it really. How does Barric get his sword to ignite?

[@RadioWesteros]

+Vincent Amour It's blood magic-- from Arya VI in ASoS: "Unsmiling, Lord Beric laid the edge of his longsword against the palm of his left hand, and drew it slowly down. Blood ran dark from the gash he made, and washed over the steel. And then the sword took fire."

[@osirisgem]

by that logic wouldn't blood in and of it's self be an effective weapon against the others?

[@billsutherby]

Not really blood in and of itself, but in the hands of someone with knowledge of blood magic, perhaps.

[@dionath]

How do you not mention Edric Dayne whatsoever?

[@RadioWesteros]

We did ;)

[@dionath]

+Radio Westeros can you timestamp I swear I've watched it twice

[@RadioWesteros]

In the last segment, which starts here kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpyog6iLbcplrs0h7m41s

[@manashima]

Wow an actual podcast? History of Westeros started off that way too then moved to video.....I like to see the people talking just a weird OCD, but I love the show regardless good job

[@RadioWesteros]

Thanks, yeah we're audio only for the time being. It's a shame we're not video, but glad you can enjoy anyway ;)

[@stednark2217]

What is a lizard lion ?

[@RadioWesteros]

+Danny Brennan Good question! They're creatures found in the Neck, reptilian and resembling floating logs. Most likely something like an alligator. They feature on the sigil of House Reed (www.westeros.org/Citadel/Heraldry/Entry/House_Reed/)

[@stednark2217]

+Radio Westeros thank you for taking the time to answer my question, and for making these awesome podcasts.

[@For_The_Watch]

Well I guess either you guys or WOIAF app one is wrong. The Lem stuff piqued my interest so I went looking for Ser Richard, of course no mention, so I went to Lem. It reads “Lem is one of the men in Lord Beric’s band, appointed by Lord Eddard Stark to bring Ser Gregor Clegane to justice. (The key part) *Surviving Clegane’s ambush* at the Mummer’s ford, he remains with Lord Beric and Thoros of Myr and becomes an adherent of R’hllor.”

[@RadioWesteros]

Tbh we don’t really see any conflict there, but glad it’s got you thinking :)

[@For_The_Watch]

Radio Westeros oh haha nbd it was just in relation to when Lem joined up with BWB

[@RadioWesteros]

Ah gotcha. Since that info isn’t anywhere in the books, we think the app is either shortcutting or assuming there. It does that a lot and since it’s not written by GRRM we consider it a good reference tool but not full canon. FWIW, all indications in the text are that Lem hails from the Riverlands.

[@For_The_Watch]

Radio Westeros 👍 oh for sure and it does nothing to the theory whether he was In The throne room or not, and I’d have to imagine if he was he had come from the river lands anyway.

[@hambino28]

The show is butchering all the Brotherhood stands for.... what are your thoughts on HBO's Brotherhood Without Manners???

[@RadioWesteros]

Basically that HBO has merged the storylines of the BwB and the broken men of AFfC. For more detail, I discussed it with History of Westeros on the book to show review last week. -LG

[@kevinmoore4237]

It's like merging the characters of Tywin Lannister and Samwell Tarly. The show has really outdone itself this week - reaching new peaks of disrespect for a great piece of literature.

[@kaseridonrivers9324]

+Kevin Moore Hardly. The show turned the butcherers into deserters, thus the Brotherhood itself isn't even bad itself. Unless you're purely annoyed theres no Lady Stoneheart in the show.

[@ThePeterBluth]

So you're telling us that there's not a snowball's chance in hell of there being broken men amongst the BwB? I mean, they're the ones in the down and dirty. The chances of them having those guys being among them is even higher.

[@hambino28]

Under Berric they are a coalition united in protecting the weak and so not really broken... under Stone Heart though there is the chance that they are all broken and severely lost.