THIS is What REALLY Causes Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A Therapist's Insights (Jenny Lynn)

In this video, Jenny Lynn, a former hypno-psychotherapist specializing in ME/CFS, shares her unique approach to healing - blending mind-body connection, self-compassion, and spirituality. 🧘‍♀️✨ Discover her insights on the roots of ME/CFS and transformative techniques for recovery. 🌱
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00:00 🤝 Meet Jenny Lynn, a hypno-psychotherapist
01:50 👣 Her Journey with ME/CFS
07:06 🌱 A Spiritual Dislocation
11:36 ✨ Effective Healing Techniques
16:30 💪 Turning Point in Recovery
21:38 📢 Spreading the Knowledge
29:13 🌊 The Ripple Effect of Training Therapists
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[@RaelanAgle]

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[@Needless2say]

IMO there many other factors as well. Low nutritional status( iodine, B vitamins, vit. D magnesium, COQ10 and other things) heavy metals, mold exposure, parasites/bad biome, and life style, old physical injurys, tats, and of course genitics. These things as well as harboring bad/poor feelings create resistance in the body's energy and energy field.

[@acissej_01]

She is sooooo right. CFS is a curse but can also be a blessing, it made me face my trauma and many buried issues and emotions and opened the door to true healing. Emotional work is key for me in my recovery.

[@pandanustrees]

Same here, grateful for the wisdom that comes with CFS. My friend is practicing cogno movement on me. I’m making huge strides now

[@evelinel.9827]

Thank you for this!!! I did everything brain retraining, mindfulness, meditation and went from severe (POTS, Fibro, IBS, Migraines, etc.) to moderately affected and some symptoms did drop off but I still was stuck with tons of symptoms but it wasn't until I started doing somatic emotional work (I was very emotionally repressed due to childhood emotional neglect) and working with the sensations in the body (somatic experiencing, etc. and found a great spiritual teacher (Angelo Dilulu, Simply Always Awake on youtube) that I really started to heal and the symptoms dropped off one by one. Took me time but it was so worth it!

[@RaelanAgle]

So glad to hear this, Eveline! 🧡 🧡

[@RaelanAgle]

And thanks so much for sharing, Angelo Dilullo's work is fascinating! 🌟

[@MPStigs]

Can you tell in more practical terms? Just feeling sensations in the body?

[@evelinel.9827]

@@MPStigs I started with feeling emotions in the body with audios (The first one was from Jim Prussack's channel, "Healing Chronic Somatic Symptoms--The Pain PT" ") he has a somatic practices playlist --it was very difficult for me to feel things but I keep working on feeling sadness/grief, anger and also worked with shame. I just keep finding more ways to go into childhood (journaling is good) and feel things and it got easier and easier) I did lots of somatic tracking, found audios on youtube that had Somatic Experiencing tools. A book was recently published from the founders of "CFS School" and has some great tools and practices to calm the survival brain, it is only on audiobook though until July, "The Secret Language of the Body: Regulate your nervous system, heal your body, and free your mind" and there is a great program, Haven ($55 a month, Created by Yourgratefulguide on IG. that has a good grief and emotions part of the program with tons of practices. None of this stuff worked quickly for me, it was teaching my survival brain that all the emotions were safe, all the sensations were safe and this was done with practice for me. Mindfulness practices I had done before this work really help because people's brains often will have a lot of resistance and tell them: this is not working, something is wrong with me, and so many other thoughts and stories and we have to keep getting resources, tools, and listening to people who understand this stuff and continue to keep going when 99% of people have no understanding of this. This is trauma healing!!! For me often just really crying and grieving would bring down my symptoms, but then they would go up again so for me it was a process. I wish you the best!

[@evelinel.9827]

@@RaelanAgle I don't know if you have read his book, "Awake It's Your Turn" but I highly suggest it!!! It helped me get out of mind identification/all the thoughts and narratives that were not helpful at all and causing me suffering--I read it so many times. Many people have shifts just reading the book as it is so clear. It is on audiobook also but just not on Audible, his website probably has info on it.

[@rupinderh01]

4:24 was hypervigilant, had hyper anxiety, had fear of not being good enough,i need to look after others before me, everyone more important than me 7:40 you become separated from your heart and soul, from nature etc. You have a need to be the good person and serve other people no matter what your own needs were, look after yourself first *loss of internal sense of self-not knowing your emotions and needs etc* . *Trauma is something you internalise as a child, that gains energy within you, trauma causes fear- eg fear of not being good person or good enough.* 14:00 animal in stomach eg tiger or squirell rabbit, animal in head-eagle or crow . usually animal in stomach is really really scared or hurt, head is nasty evil, the head is punishing the body cos its not behaving the way it wants to . You need to set up a conversation between these two animals, the goal is to learn love,, tolerance, and acceptance for each other, so that htey can be kinder to themselves. the 3rd animal has been watching the arguments betwn the head and stomach animal and acts like a mediator, and says 'you 2 better get on' now come on', 'what could you offer the other one' Realise you are a soul on this earth, you dont have to stress. 16:10 *dont believe when other told you are worthless etc* 21:00 deficiency,toxicity or trauma causes illness , psycho-neuro-immunology 24:00 emotions run every system in the body, dont underestimate their power to treat and heal, emotions are the glue that hold your body and mind together, your body IS your subconscious mind. If your sb mind is not well, then your body will not be well. If your sb mind is dislocated from its purpose, and its living in a state of high stress or trauma, then of course the body is going to be traumatised. I have to earn my place in the world, i dont deserve love just for being alive,i have to earn the love that i have, I'm not worth anything cos im not doing anything, i'd better start doing things (being productive, workaholic), but i get tired doing, but if i stop doing,i cant earn my love anymore.Its a vicous cycle. Its traumatizing for people with chronic fatgue to feel useless,cos they are the ones that normally do everything.

[@yumzsid]

This is probably the most unusual interview on your channel Raelen, but it was absolutely brilliant. Every phrase this lady occurred rings true for me. ME/CFS is a spiritual disease, a disconnect of mind, body and soul. I've gleaned this much from your recovery interviews and books I've read, but this lady perfectly summarized it all!

[@RaelanAgle]

So glad it hit home! 🧡 🧡

[@Mevab-vk8ei]

6:15 thank you ❤. I need this. I will listen two or three times. I'm hopeful for recovery into a better person.

[@theopenmindtherapist]

@@Mevab-vk8ei Learn to love who you are. You are perfect already x

[@leahcalabro2787]

I discovered this while doing the PRIMAL TRUST program with Dr Cathleen King. It is definitely a loss of connection with self. Takes radical honesty with ourselves to recognize the disconnection and what contributes to it, so we dont perpetuate the same patterns. The program helps us discover the true self, the person we are without illness and so we become oriented to the things that bring us joy and based on our values. 🙌

[@clementineforever]

@@leahcalabro2787 What I’ve experienced is some of us live through the happiness we bring to others- and when we fail … we feel like failures. To know or find self- Oh my😅 When my son died last year after a life of suffering … I’m totally lost- I know he is an Angel now taking care of me. 😇 ❤

[@Sender1257]

Another great interview. I find it very interesting how their are so many different routes to healing - as a CFS sufferer it is confusing but offers a great deal of hope. I’m praying for the healing of everyone viewing and commenting ❤🙏

[@a.t7406]

Only last week I said to myself that I'm starting to believe that this recovery journey has become a spiritual journey for me. It goes so deep and covers all these core aspects of live: (self-) love, kindness, forgiveness, worthiness, acceptance, letting go, becoming my true self...

[@PCAGA2298]

My ME/CFS is post viral following the flu. I have 5 reactivated chronic viruses. I am SEVERELY ILL💙

[@vansan3211]

I’m sorry you’re feeling so poorly. I had a similar situation with viruses and was constantly getting sick. Was bed bound at one point because I couldn’t walk. Doctors were trying to treat me for virus reactivaton as well. As she mentions in the video, the immune system is highly sensitive and reactive to emotion. Her methods were the only thing that helped me for good. I know now whenever I get a virus, I was usually stressed or overwhelmed prior to catching it. My CFS of course went much deeper than that and it took years of work to figure that out, but it can still be very much related. Our bodies work symbiotically and so many of us chased purely physical reasons for our illness. I scoffed at the idea then, but am so grateful for this video explanation. It’s this information that I only realized after years of suffering with the help of mostly books/psychologists. “When the Body Says No” by Gabor Mate was my first exposure to this and it was life changing. I wish you wellness.

[@MarianneLandry]

Wow, I also grew up the eldest of three kids, isolated with so much hyper vigilance. And I grew up with very strict religious teaching. I love learning to align and listen to my whole being to be fully well and vibrate love, gratitude and health. ❤

[@justjess1111]

Send that’s a recipe for CFS, eldest child, strict religious programming. Working my way back to health through spiritual awakening and inner work.

[@MarianneLandry]

@@justjess1111 Yes! I can see now all the unfolding patterns. It’s very complex to undo it all. Baby steps toward wholeness. ❤️☺️🌿

[@clementineforever]

Me to… Love given To everyone- But You. We then think 🤔 We are Hated by The Great One Himself. For me decades later- As I lay grieving from numerous losses- I screamed… God pleeeeeeeease looooove me- He spoke- “ The desire in Your Heart to be loved is me inside of You- wanting you to love me.” I went to deeper depths and all I could say is “ I Love You” I love You “I love You”😭. I think If we Seek to love And Heal The Fathers Broken Heart 💔 The world will transform. ( We are His Family- Not Religious Suffering Slaves Led to slaughter and Beaton by A False Shepherd. Then a couple months ago- I said … How did You Love me when I was a Kid?? Grieving once again- I saw a vision in front of me- Holding a huge bullfrog- and Love pouring through it into me and other critters I found outside I played with. I again went into deeper depths… And Cried for Hours instead of months saying- ❤ I Love You❤ ✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨ The Father OF Lights- Each of us Have His Light Inside. ‘SoulShine’ Great Song. ❤ Keep On Shing🌟

[@esthercave8111]

I got this disease as a born again Christian when I developed a bacteria whilst pregnant. I could hardly look after myself or my son. It was absolutely devastating. The suffering was extreme. My husband had to give up work to do everything. I missed out alot on my son's younger years but I never lost my faith. 7 years on I am still battling trying to figure out what has gone wrong. I am so much better but have set backs and flare ups and still get PEM. It's been a hard trial but I trust God with everything even hard lessons in life. I have learnt so much and have changed as a person. It is whole bunch of reasons you get this disease for me it was a bacterial infection being on anti biotics for nearly a year, trauma being a very stressed person for years. Never give up...

[@Ayverie4]

Yes I think it is a chronic stress on the body, the bacterial infection was just the breaking point. Your body shuts down to force you to take care of yourself. I've had chronic fatigue since I was a teenager, but only learned as an adult that I am neurodivergent. So I've borne a larger load of stress all my life because daily life was distressing and overstimulating.

[@Ayverie4]

I have also been healing for 6 years, since my daughter was born. Her birth was a huge healing experience in itself, as I had medical trauma in the past and put A LOT of work into overcoming fear of birth, and finding supportive care providers. The first time I had done emotional work like this. Now I've had three natural births, and lemme tell you all those pregnancies do NOT make healing my overburdened body easy 😅 but I am crawling my way up...

[@thewonderinggentile]

I'm a similar story...I appreciate & hear people like the guest on here, Joe Dispeza, etc. But It's been the power of Christ alone that's gotten me to 2024. I've had 4 chronic conditions ale me since 2018 & I would not be speaking you to today with His supernatural power. No techniques, therapy, holistic treatment has preserved me. It's been His guidance & strength 1st...then lifestyle reconstruction. But this has been WAY to big of storm for me to save myself. Nothing but humility here at this point in my journey!!!!

[@trishcovich1923]

Absolutely 💯.trauma can be healed. My CFS is gone because of the practice of self-love which is for life. The practice of people pleasing does not serve me if it is given to people that hurt me or are unable to love back. At times I still struggle with loved ones but my tools always bring me back.on track. It takes a lot of courage to stand up for yourself when you're not used to it. I wish anyone out there struggling all the best. Fill your heart with love first from your higher self or you might call it, your soul. Much love, in health, mind and spirit, Love, Trish.

[@RaelanAgle]

Trish! 🧡 🧡 🧡

[@nestechen]

I call it Christ. He’s our godly brother and our inner being ❤❤

[@Emilia-ps2th]

‘People Pleasing’disturbance. I too healed from this eventually.

[@trishcovich1923]

@DalecRussell I'm very well thankyou. I hope you are too.

[@trishcovich1923]

@DalecRussell New Zealand

[@visionvixxen]

This CPTSD can not only come from narcissists but from misunderstood neurodivergence

[@GoldandPinkLight]

So true! I'm 54 and only in the last few years figured out that both my parents are on the spectrum.

[@a.t7406]

Yes, true in my case. I was diagnosed at 46 and have suffered from mental health problems and chronic disease since I was a child. I carry so much trauma of being substantially different and trying to fit in and still always being excluded. Last week my practitioner told me that being excluded from society equaled death in ancient times and our brain and nervoussystem still know this. I wish there was more info on that.

[@BlackDogArtworks]

Every time I find one of Raegan‘s videos, I am surprised at how on-point they are. I sound like I’m talking to everyone but her, but to those of us who have this and are still struggling, these videos validate that this disease is… a disease, I guess. My triggers were two different types of breast cancers, diagnosed three years apart. I am now a grandma, and a full-time artist. Both of those things feed my soul added to my fabulous husband, two daughters, my mother and my sister, and my friends, which includes my dogs both past and present. I am incredibly lucky. I can sleep when I need to, and sit in front of my canvases and stare off into space when I need to. I don’t look like a suffer of anything. I am that outgoing, overachieving extrovert, who has been changed into a somewhat introverted person. But still, the person people see on the outside, when I am outside and not sleeping😉, that person is someone who doesn’t look like she suffers from anything. I know that makes it more difficult for people to understand this disease. Heck, I have this stupid disease, and I don’t understand it. But I’m getting better and I will continue to get better as I feed my soul and deal with the physical ailments. I will do whatever I need to. A personal thank you to Raelan❤ for making these.

[@philweaver457]

This landed hard. Felt therapeutic in itself. Thanks Raelan!

[@legohouse4819]

As a therapist who has recovered from long covid I would love to take Jenny's course!!! How sad she has retired!

[@earthrooster1969]

As a person with long Covid issues, I have instinctually removed myself in a calm, almost boring place, but filled with fresh air, Nature...a LOT of time to myself and strangely enough just the simplicity of my current life is making me come up with some of the points she has made. Just giving myself time to just be I am slowly detangling a LOT and feeling more wholesome and content with who I am...as I think the 'slow time' is letting me analyse and throw parts of my emotional baggage I was carrying for SO long...

[@attractgreatlife]

@@earthrooster1969 definitely slowing down has given me a space to heal too

[@lando2755]

How long did you have long Covid? And how long have you been recovered?

[@legohouse4819]

Hi! I'm almost two years in and only now have "echos" of symptoms. Slow and steady exposure to life with a lot of self compassion and reduction of fear of the symptoms has really worked for me. I've just started running again but I'm doing it in very small steps. So upping my running time by 30 seconds a week. This keeps any nervous system feedback (pen) totally manageable

[@lando2755]

@@legohouse4819 what symptoms do you have that you feel like echo? Thanks for the reply

[@GoldandPinkLight]

After living with CFS for 20+ years I'm finally healing by addressing the exact things Ms. Lynn is talking about. I'm using various nervous system regulation techniques, Transformative Touch Somatic Therapy, Energy healing, sound healing.... putting that all together to find my way to feeling like a whole, worthy, soverign human being. As others have commented here, the Somatic work and releasing repressed emotions is CRITICAL.

[@MayaLove1976]

I’ve been on a trauma/spiritual healing journey for 20 yrs and has CFS for 16. I’ve found that bringing up all the repressed trauma has given me CFS. I’m wondering now if there was a short cut like her animal body/mind talk that could have connected my disconnections sooner? I’m still very disregulated, disconnected after years of building awareness and healing the traumas. I’m working on boundaries and not people pleasing but the smaller my world gets I’m still not able to prioritize myself.

[@GoldandPinkLight]

@@MayaLove1976 I'm so sorry to hear this. I hear you. It's all so complicated and tricky. The trauma healing work is SUPER tricky and I don't think there are any short cuts. We have to be really careful to only work with the capacity our bodies have otherwise it just reinforces the nervous system disregulation. We have to be prepared that it's going to take some time. Even in an ideal world, it takes a long time for a baby to get regulation on board. It's no different doing this work as adults. I recommend Irene Lyon here on KZbin and really LEARNING about the nervous system. In my experience, this is imperative so that we can work with the nervous system and hear it's signals. I also really love Emily Winter here on KZbin and she's also wonderful for online sessions. For me, I was very lucky to find a Transformative Touch Somatic Therapy practitioner. I didn't really have hardly any capacity to do this work on my own. Bringing in touch from someone else lends you some of their capacity and in my experience makes a monumental difference. Again, though, I think the key is educating yourself so that you can start to interpret cues from your nervous system, and know when you're working within your current capacity and when you are not. Lots of love to you.

[@liannevalle]

I agree with her 100%. 27:34 "becoming the person that people come to for their heart and soul, for their deep healing" - I felt this so viscerally in my body. She articulated exactly what I want when I get to the other side of this journey. Thank you for this interview.

[@pamdenman254]

All of your interviews are wonderful but this one truly resonated with me. Thanks for all you do to help those of us who are dealing with CFS.

[@andeebee2530]

There is a huge difference between chronic fatigue and ME/CFS. Chronic fatigue is just one of the symptoms of ME/CFS.

[@kimwarburton8490]

Hello, a difficult thing for me to grasp, which iv just recognised in ur comment; 'chronic fatigue' wording is a trigger for emotions of invalidation etc, created black vrs white thinking (cognitive distortion), being pedantic, not recognising that verbal spoken 'chronic fatigue' is shorthand in most contexts for ME/CFS because doctors prefer 'chronic fatigue syndrome' I imagine its less 'scary' than myalgic encephalitis for patients' subconscious minds n stressors of myriad origins worsen symptoms. Mental, emotional, body n theres external environmental stress triggers too youve never needed to consider in the past. I was astounded that for a few years i had to quit using even hypoallergenic shampoo! 🤭

[@escapingbenzoozhopehelphea523]

Indeed. New parents or people who work too hard are often chronically fatigued. But their fatigue goes when the stressor changes, ceases, or leaves. But ME/CFS is NOT an illness or disability - as I thought myself for decades. It's the Crocodile part of the brain overreacting to trauma and stresses, turning on the Fight or Flight state 24/7 which floods our body with stress hormones, speeds up the heart rate, and causes many other things excellent if you are running from a bear - but terrible for body and mind when it becomes 24/7. Trauma and repressed emotions live on in the body. Learning to release these and calming the nervous system is what is healing so many people from chronic illness and pain, including MEFM. I had 19 major stresses and traumas before I got mono, which morphed into ME/CFS. A decade later, more stresses (including environmental ones) added Fibromyalgia to the mix. I healed by 80% when I got OFF all medications including benzos and elavil (standard prescriptions from doctors for the pain and insomnia) and began facing the traumas and griefs that had led to the pain, fatigue and "co-morbid entities" (sounds like crabby ghosts, but is the illnesses and disorders that often accompany MEFM, like IBS, IC, anxiety, POTS, etc.) Doctors told me all these problems were "incurable" then were astonished and disbelieving when I mostly healed from 5 of 'em! More trauma and inescapable stress caused a relapse after 6 years of being massively better, but it led to my discovering a key piece of knowledge and healing work I'd missed - somatic tracking and Vagus nerve work. Now I expect to recovery 100% even after living with MEFM for 54 years! Best of luck.

[@naimoulinakibarde1995]

So happy for you! How do you perform somatic tracking please?

[@escapingbenzoozhopehelphea523]

@@naimoulinakibarde1995 There are many great free KZbin videos with somatic tracking for chronic pain, fatigue, anxiety, dizziness - you name it. I love Tanner Murtagh, Jim the Pain PT, Maureen Wiley, Dr. Yonit Arthur. When you're busy, there are short 3-5 minute ones, but most are about 10 minutes. They teach you to sit with your symptoms -from chronic pain to challenging emotions and learn to befriend them, to see they're NOT dangerous - just your brain's way of trying to protect you. Do them daily, and you'll see some amazing results! You can also read books on recovering from chronic pain and chronic illness like Alan Gordon's The Way Out, or Dr. Howard Schubiner's book. Keep at it, and your brain learns you are safe and gradually those symptoms and sensations fade away. For a lucky few - they disappear as they realized the symptom is NOT structural, but created in the brain! For most of us though, you just write down your feelings in a journal and sit with them and your sensations in regular somatic tracking - then go about your day normally, mostly ignoring them! Best of luck, and thanks!

[@madeleinetodd8199]

@@kimwarburton8490 For you 'chronic fatigue' is apparently triggering. When applied to me, it's just an incorrect label for my illness, ME/CFS.

[@susanlynn6545]

There are so many different reasons for fatigue. Anemia, B-12 deficiency, feeling depressed or worn out from over-giving etc. 20:00 deficiency, toxicity, or trauma locked in the body. I would add or parasites, fungus, candida, mold exposure. Also living with someone who says demeaning or unsupportive things can definitely take away your energy. Some people are using alcohol or drugs, or sugar/ carbs cause low energy. A lot of people got their energy back and healed from a long list of physical symptoms when they went on a keto or carnivore diet. ❤️ ( Mateo said to not feel guilty about whatever diet makes you feel better because plants are just as alive and sentient as animals. ) ❤️

[@margaretwhittaker2291]

He is such a brilliant man!

[@BunnyRabit-yo3lx]

I know but I hate the system of this planet where we eat each other. It's traumatic for some of us. Also some plants are designed to be eaten to propogate themselves so it just depends.

[@escapingbenzoozhopehelphea523]

I agree - people who often say demeaning things are emotionally abusive, and can worsen your health problems. They're also called "Emotional or Energy Vampires." I found ending relationships with such people key to my own healing as I learned to set boundaries, and when they repeatedly crossed them, ended things. Several had traumatic childhoods themselves, but I realized I needed to take care of me and my OWN wounded inner children first, and see people who supported, validated, and listened compassionately rather than judged and criticized. (Passive aggressive people harm themselves AND other people. It's not adult behaviour, and learning to be assertive and express my anger or hurt has been a gamechanger. I do think, though, that reacting to parasites, mold, etc., is just the body expressing repressed emotions and trapped trauma. Though I have a double MTHFR gene - which means my body doesn't process toxic chemicals normally, the gene is turned on by trauma and can be turned OFF. I've found I react FAR less to perfumes and toxins now that I no longer fear them as much, realizing a large part of the reactions are emotional ones to the fear of them rather than just the toxin. (I still don't want them in my home, but no longer freak when I'm exposed for a few minutes - and in losing that fear, the reactions that used to be severe have largely gone away! I also tried a variety of diets, especially after a naturopath told me symptoms were caused by histamines. But the diet worked briefly, proving it was a placebo improvement. Once I noticed the symptoms ramped up due to stress and had NOTHING to do with the diet - I began eating ALL the wonderful foods I've missed for a couple of years with NO increased problems! I'm convinced it's all mostly the brain's hyperprotective response to stress - and as I now empty my stress bucket daily with journaling and somatic tracking, and dance out any remaining challenging emotions - I can now eat what I like and enjoy it! Many people lost lifelong allergies when they had done somatic work or had somatic counseling, which is also encouraging. Best of luck!

[@peachesmcgee4795]

I'm sorry but that last sentence about plants and animals was utter nonsense.

[@margaretwhittaker2291]

@@peachesmcgee4795 I must agree with you there!

[@benrusher581]

Looking at the individual and their body-mind is really important and/but it's been a game changer for me to start to fully recognise the extent to which environmental issues impact on my well-being. "Large-scale epidemiological studies suggest factors-collectively called “social determinants”-contribute to 80 percent of our health outcomes". I think health issues are often a very understandable responses to 'sick' environments, be they at home, in our families, work or the wider society/world.

[@RaelanAgle]

Spot on, Ben!!! Couldn't agree more.

[@leahcalabro2787]

I BELIEVE THIS IS THE ROOT CAUSE. This has reinforced what i learnt for chronic illness recovery in the Primal Trust program Level 2. Grateful for this amazing interview ❤

[@RaelanAgle]

🧡 🧡 🧡

[@larsstougaard7097]

Great Im considering that primal trust program too, seems useful from what I have seen of videos with her. I have tried a million things but clearly its a body, nervous system, trauma ,brain /mind, spirit in combination.

[@geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz]

My knackered spirit says time for a lie down. Actually I am most happy when I am obliviously asleep hence why I think I mostly want/need to nap and also to try and heal but as soon as I wake up I feel that immediate jolt of anxiety as in oh no, I'm back here again in this realm of unhappiness and discord and the unhealing resumes.

[@brendaharding8010]

Try developing a prayer life. Put you're trust in a God of your own understanding. Move outdoors in nature. Walk outdoors. If you can try sea dipping it can be great for some people. Healing is possible. ❤

[@karate4348]

I totally resonate with what you say...moved into a forest in a cabin, surrounded by magnificence of wild lives but still I'd rather be asleep or sedated..just as I was in utero , at birth and until I could 'perform' as a baby. My mother especially shunned me and I arrived unwelcome into a 'perfectly complete, happy family'. Human relationships are agony..trying to connect and repeated no goodbyes with people who have no interest in me unless they are paid or unless I perform (happy, helpful etc).. Agony it is most of my waken life. Am trying to connect more authentically and meaningfully, but Wanting to die to leave this pain is the most reassuring comfort I have between broken bits of human relationships. Am also trying psyllocibin. Agony. I've even had to foster out my 2 dogs and my animals provided exchange for meaning and love for years. I am so sad they have no permanent home yet. I have my cat of 21 years. We lay on the couch together day and night. She and my dogs are the longest, most real and authentic relationships in my whole life, but I can not keep up with life much longer. I ask for help, but people of course are on fast forward, feigning-friendly-advice mode and every connection feels like the next abandonment. Send love for everyone going through this. I wish people would stop making unwanted, hurt abused lifetimes. It only takes 5 seconds to start another human lifetime. More careful reconsideration of the needs of EVERY child are needed. We are destroying each other and so much life ...killing our perfect planet and replacing it with a dump.

[@geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz]

@@karate4348 I have a pet cellar spider down the side of my washing machine. 😀Can't afford big things likes cats/dogs and don't have the energy to look after them. I'm happy to explore nature out with my binoculars but people are generally not a comfort. I am heading out shortly at about 7am when it's quiet and no people around on these bright summer mornings. Sun does seem to be the biggest help to me but I appreciate it because we don't get a lot here. But generally I agree. This sure is an unstable world, though the elites causing it seem to be partying pretty well (must be some kind of demonic thing) and it isn't about to get any better it seems. We will be gone soon enough. I guess we don't feel that we fit in with this existence so it is a bit of a burden and we do not thrive as we would like. My anxiety has reduced some atm at least until it rockets in the next episode. I hope you and your cat have a good day.

[@geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz]

@@brendaharding8010 I could do with you as a life coach. I'm not as optimistic as often I just feel nothing really. I am actually just heading out into nature now as it is my hobby and I will be cycling there also while I have some energy. Then afternoon bed awaits for my next oblivion session lol. I like the bizarre dreams also. The ultimate virtual world video game?

[@geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz]

@@karate4348 I replied to your comment but I guess I mentioned certain words and therefore why it is not showing, so even on here there is evil in control. Definitely somewhat depressing.

[@lindaklodd5959]

Thank you for this interview. Something clicked within me, and I understood so much about myself. I've struggled with CFS for many, many years. This is the first time I've listened to your channel, but an inner knowing told me to click on this particular interview. Again, thank you... you just got another subscriber. 😊❤

[@RaelanAgle]

You are so welcome! 🧡 🧡

[@michaelfarrelli5972]

Jenny and Raelan thank you. You've hit the nail exactly on the head. So synchronous that this video dropped just hours after I had come to a profound realization of this myself in therapy. Cried quite a lot to myself while watching it. You guys are doing an awesome job.

[@Bidantz]

Disconnect from heart & Soul , locked in trauma..really relate . Think this really nails this condition. I know this story very well

[@denisebraisby4251]

I can relate so much, I had to grow up quick and take care of siblings because of an abusive stepfather. I took it upon myself to clean the house, and make a fire to heat the house. My mum was basically controlled by my stepdad. I became anorexic at 15..I got better once my mum left him. The trauma must have internalised.. the COVID vaccine tipped me over the edge and made me worse

[@_elfifle_]

I only got better with Long Covid after seeing a therapist and following EMDR, doing mind body work, learning about the nervous system, learning to listen to my body, and deepening my spiritual practice (in my case yoga and Buddhism).

[@timruof]

I’ve been doing a lot of similiar work and just started EMDR. Any tips or guidance?

[@Justlikemagic96]

How and when do we listen to our bodies?

[@DrPatriciaWorby]

Agree totally. It's a disconnect of the spirit from the life. The heart from the head. This is similar to how I work. I'm currently working with some people who are so ill they are bed bound. So we have to go gently with imagination work and Somatic reconnection. Metaphor and Hypnotherapy speaks to the subconscious where the autonomic dysfunction resides. Modern medicine has nothing to say to that at all.

[@AnrupB]

1000% accurate with my own experience and professional background. Amazing that more people are becoming aware!!

[@timm.8729]

This interview felt like pure gold! ❤ I'm also a therapist and recovering from me/cfs, everything Jenny says is exactly what my journey lead me to understand, too.

[@Nicole-xo7sj]

Sounds similar to IFS therapy or parts work which I’ve been doing for almost a couple years (along with trauma therapy and DBT) as someone with fibromyalgia. I’ve made some progress but a lifetime of faulty programming cannot be fixed quickly. It will take me years to drastically improve my fibro as I heal my mind and soul. It’s exhausting to deeply reflect daily and change patterns.

[@cinderling5472]

Yes it does, and yes... It is Hang in there, beautiful soul ❤🙏 You're not alone Best of luck on your healing journey

[@margaretwhittaker2291]

I concur! I empathise on every level. I wish you well on this long journey.

[@escapingbenzoozhopehelphea523]

I've had ME/CFS for 45 years, and fibromyalgia for nearly 40. I was born 3 months early because of being in a major car accident which made me hypervigilant from birth. I hear you, recovery doesn't come as quickly for those of us who've had a ton of stresses and trauma. But I've been doing somatic work, journaling, shaking and dancing, Chi Gong and yoga nidra for a couple of years and I've seen HUGE improvements. Because of massive stresses currently, it's been slow, with lots of "whack a mole" as my Crocodile brain creates new symptoms as old ones heal or improve. But I'm still thrilled - the fatigue has lessened enormously, I've been able to write, perform, exercise and socialize. And the pain is SO much improved. Now, when the stress is super high - I sit with my emotions in somatic tracking, then write it out and if the challenging emotions are still huge - do shaking and dancing. That helps HUGELY, the latter is used by shamanic cultures round the world for stress, anxiety, pain, etc. Telling my story publicly has also helped enormously as I shared them in poetry and storytelling groups. All of those are powerfully healing tools. Like you, I am exploring IFS and loved group trauma art therapy. Peter Levine's and James Gordon's books and videos on trauma were a revelation. But with lifelong hypervigilance and an overprotective Crocodile brain, rewiring my nervous system takes time -but oh, the wonderful improvements already have amazed and astonished me! Especially when doctors pushed me into meds that disabled me for 20 years. I was housebound and bedridden for 20 years UNTIL I got OFF benzos and Elavil (both commonly prescribed for MEFM) and 2 other useless prescriptions. By listening to my body and facing old griefs and traumas, I healed by 80%. But now I have the keys of somatic work, when the stresses ease I hope to recovery 100% - even after 54 years! Changing our thought and reaction patterns is difficult and challenging at first, but gets easier with time. So best of luck Nicole and everyone here! Fascinating story, as always Raelan - these are inspiring for when the way is rocky to keep us moving forwards. Many thanks!

[@margaretwhittaker2291]

@@escapingbenzoozhopehelphea523 thank you for sharing. I too was born almost 3 months early, along with my twin. She has fibromyalgia. I have always wondered if a prem' birth was a factor? I wish you well in your continued recovery

[@escapingbenzoozhopehelphea523]

@@margaretwhittaker2291 Yes, I've read that many people who later develop fibro or ME/CFS had traumatic births. As babies, we may feel the world didn't welcome us - quite the opposite - and feel unsafe or unwelcome in the world without knowing why. Yet you didn't develop those symptoms so that's only one factor- the number of stresses later also affects whether we develop those symptoms or not. Yet the body is amazingly resilient. It took 19 major stresses and traumas for me to develop extreme hypervigilance and for the brain to signal "danger" constantly. Did you have any health problems later in life, Margaret? If not, your twin might have experienced bullying or abuse that made her prone to fibro-type symptoms. My sympathy to her! But isn't it exciting all the new strategies to recover fully from MEFM! I only wish I'd been told about this when I was 17 and wondered if it was psychosomatic. If only I'd met a baby Dr. Shubinar or Dr. Sarno! Ah well, it's never too late to learn to heal yourself. Warm wishes to you and your sister.

[@user-ev6xm8vo9n]

ME/CFS used to be called, “The Raggedy Ann Doll Disease”, because you feel so limp and deflated from the exhaustion…mine is from being abused sexually by family members since I was a baby…🤕😶

[@escapingbenzoozhopehelphea523]

I'm so sorry that happened to you! Yes, I recall being a Raggedy Anne doll, with bp so low some days I had to crawl,- to the kitchen for sustenance. I used to say, "Crap, I'm a salmon - time to swim upstream to spawn!" I'd crawl, writhe and wriggle my way to the kitchen to get a glass, salt, and water to get enough blood pressure to SIT up, let alone stand. As I had POTS at the time, it was like being that salmon leaping upstream! Getting OFF all meds and facing my traumas, grief, and major stresses - plus ending relationships with toxic people - has had me going from crawling to dancing! Now I dance daily, go for long walks, and can do virtually anything. Still some healing to go, but I have multiple major stresses right now. But I'm still seeing great improvement as I do somatic tracking daily and learn to rewire my nervous system and change old harmful attitudes and preconceptions. These programs give me SUCH hope that I can recovery fully even after having MEFM for 54 years! Thanks, Raelan, as always your show inspires me!

[@dariosergevna]

@@escapingbenzoozhopehelphea523 I do similarly with kitchen, please tell me how you do somatic tracking?

[@lisafulford5874]

As a former family therapist, healing from burnout & living through fibromyalgia, anxiety & chrinic fatigue, this information really resonated with me! Merci for sharing this marvelous, gifted Soul!❤

[@user-tj6je1jl5u]

Thank the lord for this a mazing lady that totally gets it !!!! I spent almost a decade with no help, no GP/ Doctors help, no one believed it, No one got it that it was beyond anything I had experienced. I was a soul in a dark hole and the only way out was my own need to live.. Dragging your way out of a black dark hole is hard enough... yet with M.E /CFS is almost impossible it takes years. Unless you have experienced this horrid place, you have no understanding.

[@Sophier1892]

Raelan - do you know whether the document that Jenny created which summarised her course is still available? That would be incredibly valuable. And whether she has a list of therapists who have taken her course, for those interested in investigating this as a therapy for themselves? Thanks so much for this interview - it’s incredibly validating to me, I’ve sort of jumbled my way to a place where I’m starting to embody these practices myself now, rebuilding the relationship between body and mind into more wholeness rather than a tug of war, and I’m finally feeling some softening. Amazing!

[@mirandaandrea8215]

What a lovely lady! And she’s clearly awake!!

[@mariannehenderson5473]

very good to have this aspect of the healing journey highlighted. My hat off to Jenny who was so ahead of her time and so clear in following her own intuition. It's interesting that at that time so many people were becoming aware of how deeply each and all of us are interconnected (that's what zen buddisme also teaches). And exploring their own research like Bessel van der folk: The body keeps the score. And how all of that research now really starts to step strongly to the fore and starts to impact the pedestal of 'modern medicine, exposing it's limitations. recovering from CFS is ultimately a story of reconnect from a place of self compassion, that's why it takes time I think, it's a multi dimension process.This interview really highlights the need for developing and trusting your 'sovereign ship' of your healing journey

[@margaretwhittaker2291]

yes, it is a multi dimensional process and a journey towards self love/ self care.

[@maja8453]

Just listening to this makes me feel like I'm healing ❤

[@Ellenweiss1]

I kind of want to just say one word and that is "WOW". I know a lot of this intuitively but her descriptions are so fantastic. Thank you so much for this.

[@annabaudrain8525]

I crashed with a severe form of chronic fatigue 30 years ago during the 2nd year of my university degree. I also developed Benign Fasciculation Syndrome, a severe neurological dysregulation that rendered my body incapable of doing a lot and life practically over - however with three kids in tow I had to forge a path. I educated myself and after many years fully recovered with aid of Nutritional Therapy, daily Detoxification protocols, Dr Wilson's Adrenal Fatigue glandular therapy and The Emotion Code. Two of my children also went on to develop CFS and BFS too.. We discovered the ROOT causes were BLACK MOULD + chronic LEAD poisoning.. as depicted in both bloodwork and Urine challenge test with DMSA and Mycotoxin tests. Once all that reduced.. recovery ensued. But the emotional component of toxicity induced CFS becomes and secondary and very real issue too.

[@iamthefiremanjj]

The core i believe is anxiety . And yes the spiritual aspect is absolutely true. This brilliant absolute GOLD

[@cjd5255]

11 yrs to get dx'd. Faith is the only thing that carried me over the 65 doctors and medical gaslighting. Went from working 80 hours a week 4 jobs on both shoulders injured to 8 hours. Riding quads and horses. The word "can't" wasn't even allowed in my vocabulary. Then the realization and acceptance of the word had to happen. I fell apart to even say i cannot lift that, sorry i cannot help you today, sorry i can't pick up that extra shift, I'm sorry i have to leave this part time job. Went from an exhausted by work but healthy 97 lbs to 78lbs. Today i have problems opening a simple water bottle (those are really bad flare days) or carrying 2 gallons of water. When i used to bench 45lbs and leg press my own weight. It's really tough on the mental when you feel mmm helpless and hopeless. More like an inconvenience or burden to others than my typical helper, uplifting, compassionate self. Oh and patience whoo out the door. I could have a customer yelling their antics and totally go with the customer is always right to give me a dirty look in line at grocery store and you may get an earful of why you havent taught yourself the self check out with your 5 items huffing and puffing behind me. When i can only go grocery shopping twice a month. I couldn't handle ppl anymore bc the all over fibro pain on top of auto immunes, herniated discs and so much more arleady had my cup runneth over. And somehow we end up in terrible relationships with ppl who wear masks. Jesus take the wheel is so oftenly said. Thank you for this talk! 💖🙏

[@karinabatres3669]

Omg, this view point was so necessary. The spiritual approach to this, beautiful!

[@nickywellman594]

So beautiful, this was a fantastic chat, pulling together all the pieces & so on point with absolutely everything that was said. I love this thank you Jenny & thank you Raelan, I needed to hear this today ❤❤🙏

[@RaelanAgle]

You are so welcome, Nicky! Much love to you 🧡 🧡

[@augustasimone9323]

Thank you for this interview !

[@moggygibbo8318]

Thank you for this! You're speaking from the bottom of my heart. I'm on the path of recovery, and understand that I have to look into my traumas....I love how you said it could be something minor or trivial, as we usually think it has to be something very dramatic. My "minor" traumas sit deep in my system and I m ready to address them ❤

[@earthrooster1969]

Wow! This interview is INCREDIBLE... So much to learn. To relearn. So insightful. As I go through long Covid issues, these are the points I am touching upon many of.her points. Its a blessing for a person like her to come into realisations, connections between spirit, mind, heart... No roundabout way there is but to try to put myself together..my broken self..with utmost compassion... Thank You.. So grateful. ❤f

[@ajourneywithm.e.reflection8880]

Absolutely true rgarding years of deep stress, people pleasing and the need for aligning into spiritual surrender. Ww have influence in many ways❤

[@mountains4laura]

As I have been struggling the last few days of getting off the couch with this overwhelming fatigue, I stumbled across this. I got about half way through, put my headphones on and started cleaning my house and making my plans for the day. I realized that going back to my previous job, I left for 11 months but for financial reasons needed to return, it's not my heart and soul it's just about the income. When I am doing that job I can barely function because of the fatigue. I just thought back to the 11 months without that job and I didn't have this fatigue. I've committed to this job for the summer but after that I need to listen to my body and do something different. Thank you for this interview!

[@RaelanAgle]

You've got this 🧡 🧡 Wishing you all the best in finding something that works great for you!

[@summerjennalyons271]

Amazing! Thank you so much!!! Really good!!!

[@sandrabeltman9418]

Thank you so much for this interview.

[@gittebukhpedersen72]

This is the best so far and perfect timing for my healing. This fits perfect with Sarno and i have been talking a lot with my squirrel ❤😊 it was tired, sad, angry. And simply had a fit of rage that lasted for 24 hours. Amazing. Thanks. She should run the EU s strategy on healths Care !!

[@gittebukhpedersen72]

And spiritual here Just means all the good stuff that western medicine does not understand yet. Will not understand 😮😅

[@nicmax444]

This lady talks so much sense…best explanation of CFS I’ve heard.

[@askhollyhall]

It's like the universe sent me to this podcast I am now going to be following you. I am a hypnotherapist master astrologer life coach consultant I've got a my rate of clients and I've suffered from me and CFS for years but was just diagnosed the last year which when it got the worst! I started to connect the dots of our spiritual journey with it and I wanted to begin a program to help my clients who also suffer from this. This video was the missing piece I will purchase her manual and begin my own course soon! Thank you thank you thank you❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@cinderling5472]

What an incredible interview! ❤❤❤ One of the BEST on the subject I've ever had the pleasure to see Everything she said rang true and resonated deeply! I wish i could study under her! 😊 Thank you for doing this interview, i will share it 🙏

[@theasianwitch]

Very grounding to hear Jenny speak about her personal and professional experience as a healer...I'm going back to school to become a therapist and feel I narrowly avoided chronic fatigue syndrome, and am healing my body on the daily from the complex trauma I experienced. An even bigger picture view would address colonization and its impact on colonized peoples, animals, plants, and other beings. We need to talk about these issues.

[@meghandavern3521]

Wow great point

[@michelefitzmaurice4610]

New to your Channel. 😊 Thank you for having Jenny Lynn on & Jenny thank you for coming on!! 🤩

[@PrayingHandsministry]

This woman is brilliant 🎉

[@Michelle0920]

This video popped up on my YT and I am grateful it did as the interview resonated deeply. Thank you.

[@RaelanAgle]

Glad it was helpful, Michelle 🧡 🧡

[@CodStars1231]

This completely resonates with me and an epiphany I had recently about recovery being more than the application of techniques. Thanks raelen.

[@RaelanAgle]

🧡 🧡 🧡

[@jolantawozniak2132]

Obejrzałam ten podcast zupełnie przypadkowo…. a raczej myślę, że nie był to przypadek, tym razem KZbin algorytm „ wysłuchał mnie” lub odpowiedział na moje poszukiwania…. Słuchałam całą sobą, czyli umysłem i sercem. Robiłam notatki, przesłuchałam ponownie fragmenty wywiadu…. „ Emotions are the glue that holds your body and mind together “ ❤️ Tak właśnie czuję …. skupiłam się ostatnio za bardzo na fizycznym aspekcie, który jest bardzo ważny ( alergię,,dieta, witaminy) , a teraz poczułam się jakby ktoś mną potrząsnął i skierował na właściwą drogę. Jestem wdzięczna za ten podcast i także za wspaniałe komentarze oglądających ❤

[@RaelanAgle]

I'm so happy to hear that Jenny's interview resonated with you, Jolanta! 🧡 🧡

[@AnnaGrear]

This interview raises so many interesting questions from a spiritual perspective. The view she shares here is a bit all over the map really, but here are some of the key questions it raises for me: Who is the 'I' that 'controls' the soul/spirit? How does that view of an 'I' that 'controls' the 'spirit' fit with Buddhist views of the person? How is it possible to be 'completely separated' from one's own soul? How is that longstanding serious spiritual practitioners of great depth and experience - truly integrated and transformed beings (think Pema Chodron; Ken Wilber etc) can have ME/CFS, if (as Jenny says) people with ME/CFS 'are completely cut off from their own heart and soul'? What's the difference between the unconscious processes of somatic healing and awakened consciousness? Is there one? If not, is there no difference between hypnosis and spirituality? I think she's hit on a powerful phenomenon of healing here but my sense is that there is much more to the ultimate spiritual dimension of ME/CFS than this view carries - and that some of the generalisations made here are not accurate or necessarily helpful. She has a lovely, lovely heart but there's so much more to explore and discuss (isn't there always?) Thank you Jenny and Raelan. So much more to reflect on here, which is always a good thing. Ontological and epistemological questions abound - which is invitational.

[@RaelanAgle]

🧡 🧡 🧡

[@Ella_mh]

I know you're part of this world Anna, but I appreciate the sober balance in noting that people can be insightful, self led, awakened, integrated, whatever language we want to use and still be severely ill. Don't know her personally, but I'd add Buddhist author Toni Berhard here as someone with intractable ME.CFS. Contrary to what is a pervasive belief in these settings, not every body can heal, not every body is "wired" for healing. Illness has always been a part of life and nature. Animals get ill. Plants get diseased. Some people are born ill/disabled. Some people stay chronically ill. Some people die ill. The complete bypassing and disavowal of aspects of life cycles, nature, science, etc is just mind boggling in this world, and the pervasive assumption that the individual is always lacking somehow, lifestyle, spirit, not enough self work etc that brought on illness is seriously ableist. I hope you continue to retain and offer a counter balance in your offerings for those who value critical thought so often absent in this world.

[@margaretwhittaker2291]

you raise pertinent questions. There is much more to explore and discuss but I understand dis ease is what causes disease.

[@annagrear4167]

@Ella_mh Thank you. I agree 100 percent with you. It’s so vital to question the pervasive assumption that illness is some kind of lack or failing. I see clients literally almost everyday for whom ME/CFS has been invitational, transformational and evolutionary - not a spiritual disease - an initiation into a profound authentic awakening that has nothing to do with the feel-good Schtick of pop spirituality. Thank you for your wonderful comment xx

[@annagrear4167]

@margaretwhittaker2291 I would say that’s a lovely insight for some but that disease is actually a more complex phenomenon than that. There’s so much at play: mismatches between the body’s innate evolutionary intelligence and ‘modern’ life structures; the inherent vulnerability of materiality; the deeper and more mysterious workings of illness as communication and invitation; the cycles of life and the inevitability of death and processes of dying and more. I think that there is, of course, a case for saying that dis-ease can throw body systems out of their dynamic balance but that there is much more to explore and to be said 😊

[@emilyh4043]

Thank you very much. Awesome.

[@Conquerchronicillness]

Amazing interview 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@summerjennalyons271]

Such valuable insights! I would have loved to learn more about the techniques she used with her clients.

[@wendyg8536]

A very good podcast, thank you Jenny

[@vansan3211]

This is such an important topic. I’ve daydreamed about coming onto your show with my CFS story and discussing emotions, spirituality, disconnect as a root cause for my debilitating CFS. Yes, there were physical components as well, but nothing made a bigger difference than digging deep letting out emotion and feeling that I had suppressed my entire life. During my worst with CFS, I would have scoffed at this idea. I was no invested in “what is physically wrong with me.” My life has been forever changed since then. Thanks so much again.

[@antoinettecurran7683]

Great conversation ❤ well done ✨🌄

[@estherringthegack7671]

Reminded me of a uk study I seem to remember about children with CFS having a high level of having unemployed parents - those poor kids possibly worrying way too much - there is a need for someone to start posting content on CFS in childhood !

[@peterpetersen5519]

Thank you ❤

[@lovidora]

Thank you for this!

[@RaelanAgle]

You're so welcome! 🧡 🧡

[@wallywallace5616]

Thank you Raelan & Jenny Lynn! This was a really interesting interview and really resonated with me. I have been feeling as though my mind, body and soul are reconnecting as I go through my CFS recovery journey 🤗 Thank you so much for the important work you are doing on this channel!

[@RaelanAgle]

Wally!!! 🧡🧡 Thank you so much! I'm so glad you found Jenny's approach helpful.

[@wallywallace5616]

​@@RaelanAgle😊🧡🧡

[@RitaWaimea]

Thank you so much ❤

[@RaelanAgle]

You're welcome 😊 🧡

[@jayverasummer]

Her voice is so soothing :)

[@ninecatsmagee8384]

It's Einstein that said what you're trying to quote -- “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

[@theopenmindtherapist]

Thank you. That's exactly the one I was trying to quote.

[@tessreynolds6356]

Wonderful video.....we get so detached from our spiritual world with this. I was wondering about hypnotherapy in healing this illness getting to the subconscious part of ourselves.

[@MEhealthcoach]

IMHO the name of the illness M.E. contains a clue as to its cause and therefore its cure - it's ME. I personally believe that once you realise you are doing it to YOURSELF, that it is ME doing it, then you can become well again. This was my experience and a lot of what Jenny Lynn says here seems to be in accord with that.

[@jessicalambert7753]

Really great interview! Do you have all of your recovery resources, especially brain training, listed in one place?

[@ingalway]

Dr Sarno - The Mind Body Prescription - everything you need to know.

[@clairedavies3282]

Gosh I wish this lady was still seeing clients…. I resonated with her so much… do you know anyone else along her line who might be taking new clients over zoom? I am not new to the mind body world at all. Been at it for years and have healed a number of symptoms. But I continue to hit a wall with fatigue… and I don’t know how to let go of shame… I’m at a loss on how to move forward. ❤

[@legohouse4819]

What a beautiful interview. Her approach reminds me of internal family systems therapy. Also I think Naropa University in Colorado offers a degree in transpersonal psychology

[@RaelanAgle]

Totally! Sounds like IFS to me too, Legohouse 🧡 🧡

[@mariebrett2179]

Looking after every body else before yourself is called Codependency. There are 12 steps groups for this .

[@kippyc98]

This came into my KZbin feed and I'm glad it did. I do not have ME or CFS. But can really relate to faulty thinking and wondering if my brain needs to be retrained. I wonder if anyone has done your program that does not have long covid /ME CFS?

[@TammiMorrison]

I Iove this❤

[@RamonaMcKean]

So mucn truth here. I feel overwhelmed and daunted.

[@theopenmindtherapist]

Ease yourself into it. Be still. Just take your time to absorb anything that is relevant to you .

[@HoneyBee-pc3xi]

Take all the time you need. Be very gentle and nurturing to yourself. Absorb one idea at a time. Write insights in a healing journal. A bit of this "inner work" every day over years will pay great dividends. Learn to comfort and console yourself. The prize is worth the price. Never give up.

[@RamonaMcKean]

@@HoneyBee-pc3xi Thank you! xo

[@birgitlilliehook5139]

Wow, this interview resonated with me 100%! Could Jenny give a name to someone who now works like she did? Or does she still take on patients, it looks like it on her website.

[@valentinaruseva7612]

Beautiful

[@danijeanes5078]

:( I keep watching these videos and time and again these interviews don't offer anything concrete. No strategies or evidence just esoteric rhetoric always ending with each person needs to find their own process. It's just so sad there is no actual direction or help No where to actually turn. There was no information Offered here.

[@sq5]

Check out the Bateman Horn institute channel on KZbin. They are a medical centre dedicated to treating and researching ME/CFS, Fibromyalgia and long covid. All of the information is completely free. There are no drugs, supplements, fancy foods, therapies, etc etc to purchase. Just plain, solid information on what the illness is and how to treat it. I treated mine successfully on my own, and after I was recovered, came across their channel and thought, that's exactly what I did to recover, so I can confidently say as a person who figured out the treatment independently of the clinic, that their advice works. Hope this helps, and I wish you all the best.

[@kimwarburton8490]

Issue is that there is no 'one fits all approach'; Diff symptoms, experiences, stressors, triggers, psychology, culture etc etc Dan nueffer's ANSrewire gives a blueprint for how you can figure out what YOU need n helps one build a plan 2 things that he for me didnt highlight often enough; posture and mental health aspects So iv done alexander technique n feldenkrais to get good posture sans body tension and iv a trauma informed therapist appt bi-weekly Paleo, with binges of paleo-keto (dairyfree) works best for me to date dietwise longterm. He doesnt address specifics like which diet, cos again that is individual n changing/monitoring diet can also endup being a strssor-trigger, esp for perfectionist tendancies

[@larsstougaard7097]

24:13 I totally get your frustration in general, but emotions and body are key in my opinion. And chronic illness is super complex and the right approach and next step is individual. You have to find what moved you forward and what is your obstacles. The time when you got sick , were you super stressed, mentally burned out, a people pleaser, a control freak, had no support, were traumatized early or later, not where you wanted to be in life , no contact with body and emotions etc. There can be 100 layers. I have done meditation, yoga, journal, breathwork, brain retraining, nervous system regulation, affirmations, self love, be in nature, therapy with 5 different therapists and even psychedelic. It didn't really go deep enough . In my case I found out 18 months ago, its a kind of early trauma / CPTSD that have formed my brain, nervous system and emotional structure. That the nervous system was in alert for decades. That requires slow deep work in my daily life and with a somatic therapist that I feel can help me. Much lov

[@destroyraiden]

the more you listen to and honor and do what you actually want for yourself the more your symptoms resolve themselves. You can also do some emotional release healing as well but you can be energized and symptom free but it isn't going to resolve in 1 year or less.

[@escapingbenzoozhopehelphea523]

I had a migraine today, which I hadn't had since I quit smoking 40 years ago. I've only had a couple since then - with a ton of stress. This time I wondered what it had to tell me - and thought "Is there a pain in the neck in my life?" Yes, bingo. I decided to cancel an appointment with someone I didn't trust who was pushy and controlling. The migraine faded away. Not every symptom disappears this dramatically - but often they fade away when I say, "Hey little Croco Pops! (My silly name for the Amygdala.) I'm perfectly safe - this is just highly stressful. What emotion needs to be felt and maybe released when it's ready?" To my astonishment, pain symptoms that formerly ramped up and lasted for hours or days often fade away. It's magical! (Yes, there are more symptoms to reveal and discover the meaning and emotion behind - but the healing so far has been amazing!) Thanks to all who share this wonderful information!

[@RaelanAgle]

Oh my goodness, Croco Pops! You've given it such a great name 🧡 🧡

[@escapingbenzoozhopehelphea523]

@@RaelanAgle It helps me to feel more affectionately towards it - rather than angry and frustrated!

[@becoming_a_betty]

I love this thank you! 😊❤

[@roses123ize]

A short but crucial interview, I long suspected this was true. Would have liked to have heard more detail around the treatment ?

[@desireeh9449]

This is also true for long covid

[@lilyl5492]

Alex Howard (The Optimum Health Clinic) and Deirdre Fay (Becoming Safely Embodied) have good information and techniques on this too - Deirdre also talks about carving out a new path and how Buddhism links to trauma healing. Alex has built a clinic and online courses after recovering himself, but is a bit more dry, lots of good information on chronic fatigue and it's multiple contributing factors though. NICABM also has infographics on stuff like 'structural dissociation' that is basically this split between 'survival self' and parts that hold pain. Was interesting to hear the animal version of what sounds a bit like like (somatic?) parts work. This video makes me thing there is a social aspect with not recognising or valuing the spirit - and so not recognising lack of vitality also as a thing that means something. I would never have considered that the problem before I crashed because 'logic' or left brain fight mode/hyper-vigilance was a safe space. Why would you question it? Unless something out in the world recognises the gap in you... it's totally normal and logical to consider yourself insignificant in the grand scheme of things, according to old school hard science, or whatever global corporate values you've been exposed to.

[@lilyl5492]

I liked the phrase existential anxiety - I found things started to make sense when I learnt about nervous system states and threat responses of freeze and shutdown. These run the body and emotions are how we interpret that a layer up in my felt-sense and current understanding. (poly-vagal theory and bottom up approach to anxiety, depression etc.) It can help when you learn even numbness is an embodied sense, a threat response to some trigger...

[@christinagross8556]

Any ideas about Cushing's disease, and now 3 years after surgery, it seems that I may have Sjögren's?

[@frogsandrobbers]

Great interview. Very similar to Gabor Mate ideas.

[@oliverbird6914]

Yeah and Gabor mate still isn't over his own trauma....I despair

[@frogsandrobbers]

@@oliverbird6914 i think he's doing ok to be honest ... how are you doing my friend? not that you asked, but - i had severe long covid, i'm in my fourth year now. i have improved my health significantly using these techniques.

[@frogsandrobbers]

@@oliverbird6914 don't despair, healing is always available!!

[@frogsandrobbers]

@@oliverbird6914 don't despair, healing is always available! Gabor is doing ok, he is just hyper empathatic and communicates the depths of what he feels, but he is OK

[@oliverbird6914]

@@frogsandrobbers thanks but this is a spectrum disease. It's definitely the" sensitive" who have trouble dealing with trauma. This does have a biological underpinning. To not acknowledge that I find depressing in this day and age. When you look at Bob naviauxs work on the cell danger response in autism and Gulf war,bits clear that phenotype plays a big role. Don't get me wrong..I think these modalities can work. Emotion is a stressor just like a virus or a poison is. Sometimes addressing ones diet , for example is all that one sufferer needs. But it's just not true that this is at heart a spiritual malaise. I mean , that's true on one level, but what I'm saying is, why were those people so susceptible when others weren't. The fact is, there are many routes to this disease. I've had it decades and I've tried everything under the sun

[@GailShackel]

I cannot keep watching as this beautiful woman kept pushing her glasses back up every few minutes - continually. I’m a visual learner and felt compelled to turn this off - yet i seriously needed her information.

[@Needless2say]

I had CF so bad I couldnt get out of bed and it was a struggle just to pull up or down the sheet and blanket on me. That was 8 years ago I am 80% better now ( my diet wasnt helping). I had listed (along list) all the other factors that helped me get better like nutriton aids. But it got_________.

[@jog5289]

A random question.. can I please ask if Jenny's wearing an Airestech EMF Protection Device (her necklace?) And has she noticed any health improvements since wearing it? I am looking at getting something like this. Thank you. :)

[@theopenmindtherapist]

Hi there, no, as far as I'm aware this is just dcorative. However, I had a lakhovsky coil gifted to me a few months ago and I have notice, wearing that, that various systems in my body feel calmer.

[@jog5289]

@@theopenmindtherapist Thanks so much for your reply. Much appreciated! I will look into it. All the best. 🥰

[@angelwitchywildingrocco]

My doctors surgery doesn't want to know or give me an appointment🙄🙄 i also have fibromyalgia too😓