Stargate SG-1 - Season 4 - Small Victories - In Stupid We Trust

[@Ragitsu]

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[@OriginMSD]

I think what makes the Asgard/human dynamic work so well in this story is that it represents youth versus age. The Asgard understand that humans are young and inexperienced, but they also value their strength, determination, and creativity. The Asgard are old, very old, and very powerful. But they are dying, and they know it. At least Thor knew it. Thor knows that humans are the successors of their ancient allies, the Lanteans, who have in a sense passed away already. The Asgard are kinda like the great godparents of humanity. So Thor is sort of like a wise old grandfather. He know that the kids still have a lot to learn. But he also knows his own limits and when it's time to trust in the next generation.

[@enlightendbel]

Asgard and Lantheans are only 2 of the 4 races though and as far as we know, the Furlings and especially Nox are just perfectly fine. And there's quite a few other races that attained similar technological levels. The guys pretending to be native american spirits, the cyber beings that accidentally invaded the SGC, the species that created urdo, etc, etc Mankind had a special place for several reasons. One, because they are us, the viewer (aka plot armor), two, because they are a re-evolution of the Lantheans and three, because while the other high races are advanced, they often preferred not to interact with others, see them as lesser, etc, while humans actively look to meet everyone and make friends with everyone. Even the Gua'uld. Remember, the Gua'uld were originally not per se a bad race, just an intelligent parasite. They became so villainously evil due to overuse of the sarcophagus. Their pre-evil itteration split into them and the Tokra and the Tokra are still quite alright. What sets the 4 great races apart seems to be that they are the main intergalactic players. And Tauri quickly went from galactic players to an interaction with at least 3 different galaxies. The Goa'uld and the other high tech races never managed to break out of the Milky Way.

[@Ragitsu]

@@enlightendbelThe Nox? Yes. The Furlings? They...are the biggest mystery.

[@tompearce5418]

The Asgard actually doomed themselves by attempting to prolong their own lives through cloning, resulting in mass sterility across their population. The Nox are just as old as a civilisation but continue to have children. Thor and others of his kind seem to have adopted humanity (or at least the residents of the Protected Planets) as foster "children", whereas the Nox basically just want to be left alone. The Goa'uld were considered to be the dominant species of the Milky Way but were consistently defeated by alien (and human) races with superior technology. Basically their dominance was based on the sheer number of planets colonised through the Stargate System using human slaves. They were also hampered by a feudal political system prone to constant internal bickering, and reliant on technology ransacked from fallen civilisations. Realistically if the Tauri hadn't started dismantling their empire one System Lord at a time the Goa'uld would have remained at their current level for thousands of years, or at least until the Replicators arrived.

[@olorin3815]

Asgard were just cloned over and over and over again no suprise all creativity was sapprd out of them

[@zippacna]

I like to imagine Sam giving the debreifing and just saying "The asgard named a ship after colonel O'Neill. We blew it up."

[@Taospark]

She did tell Jack that at the end of the episode to his disappointment.

[@zippacna]

@@Taospark yep, and to be fair, I would have been disappointed too

[@zaikox4042]

even before its own first mission it already saved their world and their civilization, O´Neill is the real legend😎

[@lf2372]

Sam: "We Macgyvered The O'Neil to explode and kill some bugs" Jack: "ahh, like those roaches i took care of last week"

[@Volkaer]

If anything, I think that's how O'Neill would have wanted to go out. The ship, not the person. Probably...

[@DavidFerriday]

Theres a whole generation of kids who grew up and now want more Stargate as Adults. I'd pay good money to see more.

[@icicle_ai]

Don't. They'd fuck it up somehow like all reboots

[@ec329]

Yeah lets wait till wokeness is over, look what they did to Dr. Who.......

[@gamerboiiiiiii]

​@@ec329You can say that again.... 😢

[@gn0015]

I honestly believe that Carter should have had an Asgard ship named after her alongside O'Neill and Jackson.

[@lordsathariel4384]

well if she ever meets the vanir they might name a ship after her eventially

[@everybuddy5924]

considering it never said how many of the new ships was going to be built, im sure Carter and all of SG 1 team would be used in ships names as well as that of Hammond.

[@sriramg5029]

Since the mainstream Asgards are gone and they have all the asgard knowledge are with Earth, they could name a new ship in the names of The Asgard buddies like USS Thor, USS Hermiod, USS Freya or USS Asgard/Orilla

[@vioreldumitrache3880]

It may not have been dumb enough.

[@SmokieWins]

Yeah, the fact that they named their ship after Jackson instead of Carter seemed pretty non-sensical. Daniel was a friend, sure, but they never interacted much with him beyond the initial meeting at Thors Hammer. Carter, meanwhile, basically saved their planet.

[@danielmatheus6620]

literally the first time ever someone saying "it was your stupid idea" as an actual compliment

[@scottlarock7924]

And shows how much O'Neill has been rubbing off on Thor. 🤓

[@Korohpu]

Considering that they still retained all the designs and tech that went into the O'Neill, and were going to build many of them later on anyway, this tradeoff really seems worth it.

[@Korohpu]

Also, how awkward would it have been if Sam had ccidentally crushed Thor's windpipe at the end? 😳

[@theyux1]

@@Korohpu he had cloning tech and knew the risks of interacting with humans. :)

[@builder396]

@@theyux1 Humans need a sign around their neck: "Do not excite them. They may accidentally crush you."

[@beverlywhitman303]

unfortunately 3 more replicator ships showed up a week later and lade waste to the colony, they had no more ships to lure them away with

[@nathanhale7444]

Even more so if they use time dilation to speed up the process of building them.

[@harvestercommander3250]

That hug in the end was so cute.

[@pamelatarajcak5634]

I love the look of utter crogglement on Thor's face when the plan worked. It was really cute.

[@telljuliet1]

The O'Neill class is so op that to the Asgard, it will look like a single ship took out the replicator invation, saved their planet and their fleet, and all this before it even got completed. Naturally, they went ahead and ordered a fleet.

[@enlightendbel]

Thing i loved most about the Asgard in Stargate is that while they are super cerebral and logical, they usually have a pretty damn good sense of humor.

[@Ragitsu]

That may be Thor's trait, in particular; perhaps that is why *he* often represents the Asgard's interests as they relate to Earth?

[@tompearce5418]

Thor seems to have been more active than most Asgard. Either he was younger or else less sedentary.

[@deelanmartelbadtrip1381]

@@tompearce5418Well the name is Thor, he was around humans for a long time

[@icicle_ai]

@@tompearce5418 unsure about his age relative to the other Asgard, but Thor is the youngest supreme commander

[@Prisoner_849]

Kvasir can vouch for that sense of humor. 🤣 Kvasir being iconic for 4 minutes

[@danblanks3190]

One of my favorite lines of the series: "It was your stupid idea, Major Carter."

[@michaelvedal1907]

One thing for the Asgard.. they were at least receptive to lesser ideas than their own. Not that it did them any good in the end, but it was still one of the highlights of the relationship between the Asgard and the humans. Also, hyperspeed instead of hyperspace.. lol.. they reconned that later on.

[@icer1249]

not really a mistake just a different context. There talking about reaching a speed (hyperspeed), generally there talking about just entering hyperspace rather then the speed there going to travel at. (although thor did mess up. carter was right with hers)

[@TangomanX2008]

Its should have been Ludicrous Speed.

[@TheMAZZTer]

Still doesn't beat "hyperlaunch" in the first season finale episode.

[@Ragitsu]

@@TheMAZZTer Awesomelaunch.

[@soyaficionado]

And they weren't offended by that.

[@briansmaller7443]

I always loved Thor - he was very cool.

[@24juan68]

Carter is absolutely brilliant even with a stupid idea

[@petercsigo3314]

Truly an unforgettable Sci-Fi series one of the best.

[@Avatar_2025]

not only unforgettable but good to know that grey ETs like the ones in this story do exist and have been visiting our planet for thousands of years.

[@bangscutter]

The Tauri's solution to 99% of problems in the Stargate universe is to just Michael Bay the shit out of everything.

[@mrfafaa96]

It's impressive how many issues can be resolved by nuking something.

[@Humaricslastcall]

And what's even better is that... well... it keeps working.

[@elitemook4234]

​@@mrfafaa96 Human solution the first 'hit with rock' Human solution the second 'hit with fancy rock that makes big boom'

[@heathb4319]

"There are very few problems that can't be solved with the proper application of high explosives" ;))

[@AutomaticJack]

​@@mrfafaa96Violence isn't the answer... It is the question... And for better or worse the answer is often a resounding "Yes".

[@christopherg2347]

O'neill is winning the day, even if it kills him.

[@Ragitsu]

That makes me wonder what he'd say if he had been there. "Well...I always wanted to go out a hero; I guess this is the next best thing."

[@christopherg2347]

@@Ragitsu When they turned that one sun Red, they could not get a hold of Thor. And that other Asgard said "I think we named a ship after you. It was destroyed before it was finished". I expected O'neill to say: "Maybe, but it saved your planet from being eaten doing it."

[@michaelvedal1907]

@@christopherg2347 Freyr's words were, if I am not mistaken: "You are the one called O'Neill. We named a warship after you, shortlived as it was" To which O'Neill responded: "I am the one". Still, the sarcasm was pretty strong with Freyr. Same for Hermiod :)

[@christopherg2347]

@@michaelvedal1907 You are right. It was Freyr with those words. I still think he should have replied "It did not live long, but still did it's job

[@michaelvedal1907]

@@christopherg2347 Still think the best exchange between them was: O'Neill: We could really use some of that Asgard magic. Freyr: Are you implying our technology is some kind of trickery? hahahahaha.. genius writing.

[@demondeity9816]

I love the Asgard. One thing you would expect from an enlightened species was for arrogance to not rule them, something missed with most advanced species in scifi but present here.

[@lordsathariel4384]

the thing is the asgard were arrogant but they were interspective enough to know their weakness and barely ever let it be their leading emotional process which is why when the gould finally could fight them evenly they were like ye we were arrogant for thinking they would be incompatent forever. however the Goa'uld were the complete opposite in some of them actually started buying their own propaganda like baal said his brothers and sisters spent so long acting as gods they baught their own merchandise i think thats what separates the asgard from most the rest they knew they were more advanced on average then nearly everyone left except a few intergalactic species but it still diden't go to their head as for the Goa'uld even tho they had in terms of most species other then humans the least advanced tech they still baught their own speech as gods

[@michaelvedal1907]

@@lordsathariel4384 The Goa'uld had zero change against an Asgard battlecruiser before Anubis upgraded the shields and weapons on his ship (which took out Thor's ship). Standard issue Goa'uld weaponry did nothing to the Asgard ships at all.

[@philip-op6de]

I love this show, I watched it non stop on SciFi growing up. They’re supposed to be rebooting it I hope they do 😭

[@heathb4319]

I just hope they do it right without new age bs politics and agenda shoved all in it and ruin it like so many other franchises these last several years.

[@TheValentineEnemy]

They blew up that majestic ship...at least it wasn't a waste.

[@zippacna]

Yeah, that was a really dumb idea....

[@molybdaen11]

This ship was not even finished and still managed to safe a entire civilisation... for now.

[@agoromootsusuki7299]

This is O’Neil path 😮

[@antongoykhman]

I truly hope Oma Desala helped the Asgard to ascend. Through all the struggles they deserved to be ascended.

[@zippacna]

Although I love this idea it is said in the season 10 finale that they can't ascend because of their scientific advancements made to their bodies

[@antongoykhman]

@@zippacna You do realize that an ascended being can ascend them. If Oma ascended primitive people from Abydos, any ascended being would have no trouble ascending a highly advanced race.

[@blazenwhiper]

@@antongoykhman The reason the asgard wouldn't be able to ascend is a similar reason the replicators can't ascend. One is mechanical with no actual soul. The other is a race that modified their bodies so much they most likely don't register as organic anymore.

[@michaelvedal1907]

@@antongoykhman That is a rather popular theory in the fandom that they actually did ascend before they blew up their planet. Whether or not they did, we will never know for sure, but it's a nice thought. The benevolence of the Asgard was unmatched.

[@TheOmegaRiddler]

She was busy with Anubis. At the time of the Asgard's death, she was locked in eternal combat with Anubis because they can't kill each other.

[@KuDastardly]

At some point, Carter would've gifted the Adgard with a book called The Art of War. At least in their final moments.

[@stutteringcris468]

Carter has the crazy eyes!!

[@heathb4319]

She is mad because she was brought to do a task and then wasn't allowed until she got her point across.

[@Prisoner_849]

I would hug Thor more gently but still a hug.

[@patricku9]

Love that 1982 Atari space battle scene.

[@Ragitsu]

What battle?

[@jbbw667]

@@Ragitsu The one with the simple graphics and the ships being shown to blow up in pixelated form.

[@heathb4319]

Well it was from their pov since it was remote activated. But yes...i would have liked to have seen some realistic space kaboom instead. But hey...as Marty says in the 200th episode....The budget is the budget.

[@classifiedveteran9879]

I just watched Stargate Atlantis and the Nox disappear so that enemies can't find them. Let's not forget about the Asgard personal cloaking device in season 3 episode 18 _"Shades of Grey."_ Why don't the Asguard just turn invisible to stay safe? Of attack with invisible drone ships with Meredith Rodney McKay's solar-system-destroying-bomb from Stargate Atlantis season 2 episode 6 _"Trinity."_ With collaboration between the Nox, Asguard, Tau'ri, and Atlantian cloaking tech, a truly undetectable invisibility cloak would be quite doable I think. Add that with Dr. McKay's _"McKataclysm bomb"_ any _"super threat"_ could be easily dealt with I think.

[@slash2bot]

My theory is that Asgard never had invisibility because their sensors are sensitive and powerful enough to even detect a cloaked vessel. And replicators started with low Lantean tech and fed on Asgard technology, so they had an equal level of tech rendering any form of cloak useless. Plus cloaked vessels lack shield protection while cloaked, making easy meals for the replicators.

[@tokajileo5928]

WE NEED STARGATE BACK !

[@fw1421]

I agree but they will never get that chemistry within the characters and actors back. They were irreplaceable.

[@vioreldumitrache3880]

I do agree. However, the producers of Stargate are about to launch a new series, The Ark. It seems that scifi channel will release it starting February. On the other hand, Amazon is in discussions with the producers of The Expanse about Stargate franchise. At the end of the day, we may get a Stargate series, but it will never be even close to the initIal franchise

[@PEDERSTEENBERG-nv2id]

My favorite

[@valky3872]

pretty sure thor was glad, but sad that they were safe but lost the o'nell

[@andyman8630]

this is when you bring a knife to a gun fight and win

[@SDVGUY]

Whenever I'm faced with an impossible task I asK myself what would Sam do? Not destroy it totally, just a little bit....

[@heathb4319]

It looks like she hugged him and really thought she hurt the neck of the prop and then just went with it.

[@michalsindler3931]

Let's rename the ship as Chuck Norris! The replicator would not dare to attack it!!

[@ec329]

I always wondered what the O'Neill ship could have accomplished against the Ori.......

[@Ama-hi5kn]

Reminds me of Ronon's mission report. "Michael invaded Atlantis. Tried to blow it up. We stopped him. End of report."

[@hessgdesd]

ahaaaa👏🙌🙏👌supersin

[@Avatar_2025]

Who ever thought that the greys do exist in reality. When I watched this movie years ago, I knew out there existed a species that was technologically advanced but I never thought that an ET species similar to the Asgard in SG=1 existed and has been visiting our planet for thousands of years and probably participated in our evolution as a species. Remember we are all eternal beings having a physical experience and at that level, there are no ETs but one conscious being having dynamic self experiences within self.

[@spectrumthevideogame7167]

Easy trade off considering the ship was built to defeat the machines. It being incomplete would be a cherry on top I would think. Only paying for a fraction of the cost.

[@williamnixon3994]

A very big fraction though. You don't typically fit the engines to a ship until the base hull is mostly complete and you're about to put the roof over the engine room

[@gamerboiiiiiii]

​@@williamnixon3994and the sheilds, weapons mostly ish, computers, the code. The reactors

[@yudaissantoto7845]

Better than nowaday CGI

[@PrinceANDREWBLACKViStar-kg2bc]

Different ways of Life...

[@mitche5007]

Gotta love those stupid ideas :)

[@edwardevans7219]

WITH THE COMEDY TEAM OF SAM AND THOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@drmachinewerke1]

Build another one and go after destiny

[@UpcycleShoesKai]

Professionals are predictable. Amateurs are the ones you need to worry about.

[@danieln.2590]

dammit Thor, use your hammer and the tesseract!!!!!!

[@doopedspud6536]

i al always did love that it was your stupid idea lhahahha

[@killbot86]

Back in the day, watching this show gave me much optimism and hope for mankind and where we were heading…Fast-forward to 2023, and we are now arguing about how many genders there are and also if the earth is flat 😢😢😢

[@ChairmanMo]

Given how things are now, perhaps we do deserve to be enslaved by things like the Ori and Gou'ld.

[@johnwong5317]

Follow the money, the rise of trans from the support of Obamacare in 2010 to 2015. Quite frankly, similar to smoking back in the day, it will come to pass with new problems. AI's rights and clone's rights soon enter and "Can I have relationship with a 6 months old clone?"

[@Ragitsu]

@@johnwong5317...huh?

[@johnwong5317]

@@Ragitsu Well, Following the money, just like smoking in the past, it was the "trend" back then and get promote hard by everyone. Same with gender affirming care, LIFE-TIME CUSTOMERS.

[@michaelmartin8337]

We are no longer capable of less sophisticated thinking. 😂😂

[@Ragitsu]

"A problem we share in common."

[@sheldondean7949]

Who else hears the voice of vigil from mass effect?

[@heathb4319]

I hear daniel using a synthesized voice.

[@Hawken54]

Seems that the Asgards are designed to look like the modern day aliens. 👽

[@turtlemama888]

I've always felt that deciding the Norse gods were greys in disguise was one if the most brilliant, snd funny, ideas in Stargate.

[@sriramg5029]

The reason the Asgard(current ones) are so numb and friendly because they are so tired and exhausted over millennia fighting the replicators and with a weak physical appearance which suffered the genetic degradation. What if the OG humanoid Asgards(30,000 years ago) are actually having an active and aggressive behaviour? Like the Vanir, but much hyper?

[@lexysraymont9627]

The Vanyr were not exactly agressive, they wouldn't do any harm without a more profound purpose. They would never have become evil if it wasn't for this disease. I think the Asgard have been a peaceful race since more than 30 000. Actually I cannot believe they would have become friends with the Nox / Ancients if they were not.

[@swiety1981]

What if every Asgardian ship was given a compliment of human infantry to defend the ship long enough to self-destruct in the event of a replicator boarding?

[@DKNguyen3.1415]

I first thought this was going to say "What if every Asgardian ship was given command to a human infant because they're stupid."

[@lisahentschell4741]

How come Thor says yeah instead of yes

[@kevinwaag9976]

it's gotta have to wait for the humans to do it and it's still going to take like a million year ^^

[@Ragitsu]

Lisa, when did he say that?

[@tamamonomae7465]

The oneil did save the asgard world... just not the way they would have anticipated

[@Agmanthion]

can you REALLLY call yourself a SG1 fan if you arent sexually attracted to thor?

[@kris8165]

Naming the most advanced ship, after "limited" earthling, it's kinda ironic! 😅

[@Ragitsu]

Essentially, Thor later comments that O'Neill is an advanced Human (possibly because of his Ancient gene?).

[@gamerboiiiiiii]

​@@Ragitsuim pretty sure they named it after Jack out of respect. Given the fact he saved them...

[@Ragitsu]

@@gamerboiiiiiii What did I say?

[@adambarnes49]

It's funny and annoying that Thor went to sg1 for help to come up with a plan the Asgard would never think of,Sam has an idea and Thor is like yeah no that's really stupid but isn't that the whole point of her being there in the first place? Although I do understand why Thor was reluctant,if this plan failed the replicators would only gotten stronger

[@rowlandbuck2703]

That's exact6how it would go. The asgard are nonlonger capable of thinking simplicity. He would have to fight his first thoughts and instincts.

[@Petite_douceeur]

❤❤les Asgards 🌸🌼🌷🌺

[@Ragitsu]

Awesome Asgard.

[@ricwalker6600]

the only time in human history someone is genuinely happy to hear that their stupid idea actually worked.

[@KristopherCharles]

If you are smart enough to be proposing what you know is a stupid idea it's obviously going to be a last resort. Meaning everyone who has ever done so and been successful was happy.

[@alwenke212]

I've only been hearing that for the better part of 60 years !

[@colindowd9756]

Should have had Richard Dean Anderson in the movie role from the start instead of Kurt Russell

[@arielg7000]

😍😍😍😍😍😂😂😂😂😂

[@Ragitsu]

Awesome Ariel.

[@chialeux514]

gawd that puppet looks really unconvincing

[@TheDreamer_Awakens]

Just as well those cloned bodies aren't equipped with sexual organs, lol.

[@Ragitsu]

Awesome organs.

[@PrinceANDREWBLACKViStar-kg2bc]

It is bilogical...

[@nickbarton3191]

Dear God, Pac-Man graphics

[@spacemonkey9257]

I think they should have given Thor a hot female android body who could then slam clams with Carter

[@heathb4319]

You can leave now.

[@spacemonkey9257]

​@heathb4319 why do you so fear the truth

[@heathb4319]

@@spacemonkey9257...that isn't anything close to truth. But it is an out of place delusion of yours.

[@spacemonkey9257]

@heathb4319 more fantasy than delusion since they are both fictional characters. It would be delusion if I thought these characters actually existed. While you may find my desire for Samantha Carter to pretty much go on a lesbian sex crusade across the milky way to be distasteful and that's fine. I'll be sitting here reminiscing about when hathor told Sam she was an exceedingly beautiful woman. Should probably pen some fan fiction about that one.

[@heathb4319]

@@spacemonkey9257...again...you are a small minded little person. Be gone cretin.

[@FiXato]

and later they blew up their own home world in a similar fashion, right?

[@aaronsalentine7876]

The writers did.

[@timjones147]

It’s weird how all aliens look like humans but just ugly.

[@venominjected]

And all of them are naked in most cases.

[@MrSqurk]

Who are you calling ugly.

[@timjones147]

@@venominjected Chewbacca running around the galaxy nude all the time

[@davidsmith7653]

I don't think they look ugly at all. I think they look quite normal. Maybe one day humans will stop judging, and hating, others because of trivia like the colour of their skin. I'm not holding my breath though.

[@xotem]

awful exposition

[@Ragitsu]

Elucidate?

[@danielhaire6677]

I thought it was brilliant. A smart conversation on tactical reasoning between 2 competent individuals on why something would work based on an adversary's psychology.

[@theyux1]

An odd take. They had a legitimate debate over if the plan was good. And thor made certain the dumb earthling understood what was happening. Said earthlingg described how she interpreted the events. Establishing she understood what was going but allowed for thor to correct any misconceptions.

[@tungsten8290]

actual conversion?! gasp!

[@timothyjones-jy6fw]

Mr Grey Alien yes Timothy Leonard jones mr tall grey

[@timothyjones-jy6fw]

Orion grey

[@xadam2dudex]

Whats with the music ? It drowns out the sound

[@Ragitsu]

Awesome music.

[@timothyjones-jy6fw]

Orion grey