Rear Subframe Removal. Customer Didn't Expect to go this FAR!

We have a 2019 Toyota that was sent over from the collision center! I've got my work cut out on this one. I ended up finding unknown body damage that HAD to be fixed. This video is part 2 of a series. If you missed part 1, check the link below!
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[@michaelmanke8656]

Do you gve us a link to that special-tool?!? Would make our lives easier! Thx!

[@brucecoleman7412]

One of my tricks is to never set bolts in the floor. They sometimes get accidentally kicked into parts unknown. When working on a big job like this that I won’t finish the same day, I put my bolts in Zip Lock bags and label them as to where they go. I put all the bags on my cart so they don’t get kicked or swept away. I got delayed on an engine rebuild for 2 weeks unexpectedly. The bags made it easy to reassemble.

[@ChrisEnglish70]

I am constantly amazed by how much you can get done with one hand and a 48" extension....... LMAO. Forgive my comments but I've been home nursing a wife with a broken back after her being rear ended by a semi and I've been binge watching your channel since I found it. That's quality content.'

[@jessiemae6873]

And I thought I was the only one who put fasteners back in their spot or close to the part for easy location upon reassembly. I've learned a lot watching. You are a great teacher!

[@chrisbailey5055]

One thing I think worth pointing out, that trailing arm bracket that was mangled/ ripped from the mounting bolts...that really says a lot about the strength of bolts. The shear forces on that bracket were huge, and the bolt came out just fine...I was expecting that to be a tough extraction.

[@timothyharrison8953]

I was in the Air Force and now I work for an aircraft manufacturer. In both cases, we use cloth parts bags with paper ID tags and cinch strings to attach then to components. I've always tried to put hardware back in the place it came from if possible, but if not I used the parts bags. Zip lock bags work in a pinch, but they have to be taped on.

[@rickylafleur5823]

as a auto rebuilder i had bags labeled for sections of the vehicle specifically for teardowns as they may sit for awhile waiting on parts and even though my memory is good enough to know where they all go, who doesn't love working smart and organized? happy i picked that up on my own as my mentor was more of a mechanic that rebuilder and he would just use a cardboard box and cram whatever he could into it lol. amazing mechanic though but i hated buffing his paintjobs.

[@pennytull7578]

I was led to believe this was all done by memorization. Told, "Obviously you don't know what your doing if you can't remember where these bolts go." A Mom & we were owner operator Trucking. Drop everything when we get the call & everyday living makes you walk away. Come back and??? I use zip lock bags, colored painters tape, nail polish..... I'm much older now, & yes still believe, "Shit Happens" years of experience. Even when I change a tire- ziplock. If I get a funny look, I just smile & remember different things that have happened, & how to his little thing saved me.😊 I guess I was a little pretentious in thinking I invented it. 😊😁👍

[@jeremynelson9621]

I'm just a backyard mechanic that builds diesel trucks for fun and I've been using old Tupperware containers and I'll write on them what parts the bolts belong to.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

If you use "storage bags" they have a micro-textured part on them that holds pen or sharpie writing well. - Long ago, when I was disassembling a VW Beetle engine, we used an old sheet and laid out all the parts we took off just like they were in the exploded diagram in the Chilton manual. Saved a lot of trouble, but took a lot of garage space.

[@kerzwhile]

All I keep thinking is how lucky we are to live in FL where there is No road salt and winter.. this vid would have been twice as long and F bomb ridden if this car was from up north! LMAO!! 😁

[@calvinconrad1973]

Yeah you guys got it lucky

[@yyz4761]

I used to work with a guy that moved up to New York State, moved back six months later. Said he just couldn’t deal with all the rust

[@uscowboy13]

As someone who has lived and worked in the North most of his life, yes, yes it would. On the plus side, if it is bad enough, we just get to cut stuff and replace it with shiny new stuff. And who doesn't love cutting things?

[@dubious6718]

If its get driven along the coast then it gets sprayed with salt water.

[@riceburner4747]

😝 I hate u! 😉😁

[@robertpesche]

Wow. I ran over a retread tire that came off a truck in my RAV4, and it bent the rear subframe and damaged the exhaust. I came to KZbin to understand what the repair was and why it was quoted as a 12-hour job. Man, that's a lot of work. And you hope it all gets put back together perfectly with no bolts left over!

[@walttrotter535]

Nice tool for the rubber hanger! I could have used that decades ago.

[@yyz4761]

Yeah, that was pretty nifty

[@seagullsbtn]

Adding to the purchase list

[@jeepcjapprentice1476]

soapy water spray can help if you don't have the cool tool!

[@johnsteger]

Thank you for not making us wait for the Continue. 👍💪

[@BOFH402]

Who would have thought watching a man properly diagnose issues, take apart cars, and put them back together would be so interesting. I think you have struck a nerve in the right to repair movement. That and you are just fun to watch.

[@WhalerGA]

I'm amazed how you remember how all this stuff goes back together. I would have to take photos. Then I would still have parts left over. Yeah, BONUS !!

[@ajkleipass]

There's a reason why Ray videos his work: reference material for reassembly!

[@MrTonyPiscatelle]

@@ajkleipass Theres also electronic manuals that have blow up pics with all the parts and fasteners. But I bet Rainman has a pretty good Idea and memory where all of it goes.

[@fbsautotech7981]

When you do it long enough you can judge where certain parts or fasteners go just by looking at them I’ve completed plenty of jobs that other techs tore apart. Just a big metal jigsaw puzzle.

[@fhuber7507]

He took photos... In a video.

[@WhalerGA]

@@fhuber7507 Yeah, but I'm fairly sure he doesn't have to refer to the video to put the car back together.

[@richardploeser4267]

Ray, Where/when did you first figure out/decide that you liked/could survive doing Automotive diagnostic Repairs? You certainly have the knack/talent!

[@garthhowe297]

Love the exhaust hanger tool!

[@vornchhy3454]

Thanks for showing us. It’s very informative and great camera work and detail analysis

[@jeepcjapprentice1476]

Nice job... you are clearly a Professional! I hope that I can do this as elegantly as you!

[@abergbe1]

This is like a giant jackstraw. It will be very interesting to follow the reassembly, and see if Ray remembers where all these replacement parts fit in when they arrive.

[@rangerstl07]

Ray, buddy, I am glad that Toyota decides to use large diameter bolts in their suspension components and ensure that they are installed very tightly...

[@edwardberwind8544]

Ray, Thanks for your informative videos. I learn a lot by watching them.

[@Joserocha-wm9de]

Thats a heck of a job with a lot of wrenching and nuts and bolts ... On my way to part III

[@michaelmorris9905]

How much is going to cost all said and done?

[@rickylafleur5823]

@@michaelmorris9905 depends on how that shop charges and if they are getting all bone yard parts. in all honesty it's not that much labor to drop that cradle but who knows what the book hour is.

[@b9bot148]

Always the right tool for the right job makes it so much easier.

[@jefflilyea4669]

I did collision repair in Florida for 15 years and had my share of rusty snowbird's cars.

[@bakerloobadboy]

Just had the joy of removing a rear subframe from a Hyundai Tucson. They are so prone to rusting that new units from the factory come pre-rusted !!. The new unit has been sand blasted and vigorously repainted to give it a fighting chance

[@kkampy4052]

What I like about these is I feel like I'm there helping but my hands aren't getting dirty and I won't be stiff and sore tomorrow.

[@1320Jason]

Sacrificial light drop. But that happens every video. Don’t forget, have a great day Ray Ray!

[@jesuscadena5673]

Dayum Rainman, I bet you get paid a lot for all of the hard work you do. There’s no way I could put all of that back together. Great job

[@Vinincenz]

Looks like an extra fun day today Ray. You made short work of it with your patient and thoughtful approach. I notice you don't skin knuckles very often! 😀

[@lklpalka]

Our '14 Sonata looked like that in '16 on the driver's side, 17 yr old girl had problems understanding traffic flow driving mom's brand new Cherokee. She can-openered driver's side, looked awful, we hoped they'd total it. Qualified excellent body shop replaced 1/2 shaft, tie rod, wheels, 'new' junkyard doors and fender, even dog leg turned out like new. Crumple zone was fine, no engine or electrical intrusion... body shop was excellent, even we can't tell, still driving it, it's fine. Car never needed a thing outside of normal but I change oil myself WAY before schedule, always have.

[@GixxerFoo]

Shameless sales plug for the exhaust hanger tool! I want one!

[@72hourbob61]

Man never see that hanger tool before. That just about made my sticker peck out.

[@ralfie8801]

Man it’s been more than 30 years since I heard somebody besides me say that! 😂😂👍👍

[@72hourbob61]

@@ralfie8801 you must be old as dirt like me.😀

[@ralfie8801]

@@72hourbob61 Gettin close, I just keep waking up every day. I got 5 years until I can retire. But I’m gonna be a little older than retirement age because I started with this company a little late. Or maybe a lot late!

[@72hourbob61]

​@@ralfie8801 60 myself. My body retired me a year ago when I broke my L5 messing with a trailer, plus now I have super bad COPD that I think came from powder coating and blasting with out a mask. Have to drag around this oxygen line 24/7. You take care of your self and enjoy your retirement.

[@ralfie8801]

@@72hourbob61 I’m 62, I have some respiratory things going on also, but nowhere near as bad as you. I was a sandblaster/painter during construction at a nuclear plant from ages 19 - 22. We had good blasting hoods but pure junk for paint respirators. I’ve had allergy like sinus problems my whole adult life as a result of the painting. I had Better masks to wear when I was a car painter for 5 years after that. Otherwise I’m OK except for worn out knees and that’s hereditary from my mom’s side. I can live with that though, they’re not real bad, we’ll see what they’re like when I’m at my retirement age. Now I’m a locomotive mechanic at a class 1 railroad. I started there at age 37, so to get a full 30 year retirement out of them I’m attempting to stay until 6 months past my 67th birthday. Sorry to hear you gotta drag a hose or a bottle with you, hopefully you didn’t pile the bad stuff on by smoking too. I was lucky and never got started with that myself. Take care of yourself as best you can have a lot of years left to spend with the grandkids if you’ve got them.

[@johncarlson7955]

I like how you placed the bolts back when taking it apart, too many bolts to remember.

[@FlyEaglesFly19111]

Trans/gas tank jack would work too to drop that subframe. This way no balancing act like the Deadman jack. Then you could of wheeled it out from underneath too. Stay safe and be well. Have a great rest of your day.

[@rickylafleur5823]

stuff like that i lower the car on the last two bolts and drop it with a jack but this one probably only weighed 30-40 pounds. honestly could of held it with one hand on the last bolt.

[@tonnymiller123]

my company in Denmark just sold a 155mm impact socket weighing 64 pounds :)

[@MrArtimus1961]

It's the "wobbly bits" for with this guy 😂

[@alinutzalin6346]

10:45 That scared me a lil bit, "I'll get that later" always is kinda just looking for it at the end if you don't do it now.

[@kevinray3229]

I always attempt to put bolts and nuts back on the separated pieces. Sure has helped me from losing nuts and bolts and forgetting where they belong.

[@samishiikihaku]

@1:35 "Looks straight forward, no rust" ... I'll represent all of michigan, and scowl in your direction... lol

[@jonathangrubmeyer9104]

The guy that sent you the gift box will probably be excited to hear you say "I've got my left hand way up there."

[@whirledpeaz5758]

May be just me, I like keeping a bunch of coffee cans around for large jobs like this to keep small parts and associated fasteners from getting scattered.

[@psinclairjr]

I got muffin and cake pans from the dollar tree to use, work pretty good for big jobs

[@jimcub22]

I use I cream containers the 2L size works best

[@eaglerider1826]

I guess I'm the lucky one . I was at the parts store after a grand opening and they had a lot of magnetic tray giveaway's left over . I got ten of them for free .

[@farmerbill6855]

Surprised to see that ring on your finger. Great way to lose a digit. Best regards from Indiana.

[@ausmartin1]

Great efficiency and quick!

[@paulgallagher3122]

Ugga Dugga’s?? Someone is also watching South Main Auto! 😂😂😂

[@brentjackson8383]

Silicone wedding ring Ray. I'm a building contractor and have similar risks. There's your unwanted advice for the day.

[@fhuber7507]

Had a friend get the flesh stripped from his finger by his wedding ring... Had to amputate. No way to reassemble that. Another vote for pulling the metal ring while working.

[@ProPilotPete]

Can you show us how it was bent? What about brackets the subframe bolts to, they are ok? Seems like a lot of labor and parts, how close to totaled?

[@matthewgibbs6886]

we use flat tackle boxes to keep fasteners separate and easy to label . nothing worse than having to sift through bolts and nuts

[@michaeltutty1540]

Well done indeed. I rather have to wonder whether anyone thought to chack the unibody for square and true. That kind of damage can wrack the body so the car looks okay, but it will never drive properly and it will eat tires until it is put on a frame straightener and hauled back into spec.

[@privilegedwhitemale306]

Question. Snap-on scanners can run as high as 20k. Can't you buy a 2k laptop, a special cord, and some programs instead? Or does that only work with things like Holley?

[@thatsfunny7729]

Lifts worry me. As you pull all that stuff off the back end do you have to worry about the balance point (center of gravity) shifting or is there plenty of balance so you don't have to sweat it?

[@mamutcat]

Why are some of the bolts and nuts violet-colour? Or was that just a trick of the light.

[@smithgiovanni39]

Its crazy that a part that secures the entire back end to the car can be held with 2 arms.

[@richardwernst]

How about a link to that muffler bushing/hanger tool? Thanks.

[@sergiodjf]

Wow! Major surgery! 😮

[@Fitzy6968]

Most of those bolts are splined for added security and shouldn’t be undone the bolt end,only the nut end, you can see the metal shavings as you undo them,making them unusable for reassembly? Plus, why didn’t they take it to an proper body shop?

[@rickylafleur5823]

you are correct on the splined bolts those need to be tapped out past the spline first then they come out by hand, i always leave the nut flush with the head and give it a tap or two. also i do hope the unibody was checked before all this work was done because you would want to pull it out on the broken stuff first and not the replacement parts. judging by that damage on the sub-frame distortion is minimal though so it will be fine.

[@miceinoz1181]

What a spoiler! Go on, give us the ident or where to buy the exhaust rubber remover. Looks like a really useful tool.

[@josephhilbert4296]

someone may have this already but a good idea use zip baggies for the nuts and bolts

[@Michael-it6kj]

wow exhaust bolts that werent rusted in place. I swear up here in the salt belt they come rusted on from the dealership

[@ereeves9855]

You should have put a jack stand under the front to keep the weight on the back. Luckily you didn't remove enough weight to tip it forward.

[@fredroberts6778]

ONLY ONE QUESTION RAY IS THE LOCAL COLLISION CENTER NOT EQUIPED TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK? WE KNOW YOU CAN DO IT, SEEMS A COLLISION CENTER WOULD BE ABLE TO DO A COMPLETE JOB ON ANY COLLISION REPAIR

[@bigrig4630]

What was the name of the tool you used for the rubber exhaust hangar?

[@Awkward_Fox]

Exhaust Hanger Pliers. Need to get myself some because I sometimes do exhaust work at home, and it sucks

[@danr1920]

All those bolts and nuts would be rusty and a bear to get off here in Minnesota.

[@sherrodford955]

Yo that's dope tools what it is called that you using to take off the exhaust hanger

[@fhuber7507]

4 part rebuild... They tore that thing up.

[@alexanderstefanxandraswedi5835]

Great job

[@rjb6327]

Is all this work cost effective?

[@gerrynightingale9045]

*A 'Ditch' car!* *Just my wheelhouse in terms of price!* ( *Looks like every car I've ever seen 'pancaked' into a culvert on one side...there's tons of them where I live because of people making violent 'hard rights' over deer in front and the dirt in most culverts is so soft the front/rear sink into a rut and force the car over* )

[@petergarofolo9385]

Great video Ray. 👍

[@gerryfrankoski148]

My wife just did a Ha Ha, Oooh, doin it in the dark. Vid at the end.

[@GlenCychosz]

You can put the hardware in a ziplock bag and tape it to the part to keep it for becoming lost.

[@CajunShrek]

Tough built Toyota and easy to work with

[@sunspiral79]

Rainman...What kinda ratchet are you using there???...That things a monster

[@chriswills9530]

Bet you don't often work with anything as clean as this underneath, with none of the nuts/bolts rust-fused together! Nice.

[@rickeyross22]

Hey Ray, special exhaust hanger removal tool name, part # etc?

[@atimcgt]

did they list what parts were in the trunk you can't open?

[@lvlndco]

The caliper hanging by the brake line...rrreeeeeee!

[@tonnymiller123]

is there a reason that you use Snap-on tools?

[@CheeseMeme985]

That brake caliper just hanging by the hose

[@vthegoose]

This makes me wonder how much of an impact it takes for the system to deploy airbags

[@kormiedema]

Seeing the damage. It doesn't surprise me that the subframe wasn't damaged also...

[@philjohnston9616]

What's with the purple bolts is it a Toyota thing with that model ?

[@jamesziegler2763]

Huge parts pieces...

[@andyhandy9996]

Love your videos man. Can u tell me what battery operated ratchet you always use? And recommend a 1/2 inch impact for use on my 2017 tacoma. Keep the vids coming man,thanks

[@kailebgaylord9545]

He uses 2 different snap-on ratchets. They are both 3/8" drive (I think) but one has a longer neck. Honestly the best thing to do would be to buy whatever battery system you have already for the ratchet. Batteries are expensive and you'd need a couple if you're buying into a new brand

[@kailebgaylord9545]

Now that I look at them again, I think the red one is 3/8" drive and the green one is 1/2"

[@EA.allday]

Little advice before you remove the exhaust from the hanger spray a little pbblaster or whatever kind of lube you have available it makes removing it and reinstalling so much easier!

[@rickylafleur5823]

not really needed on a 2019 that isn't getting smacked with salt but for them old rotted out ones that dry fused to the hanger definitely.

[@trevoror8668]

The quality of them pressed tin parts point in the direction of BENT city

[@dfhhtyu3434]

My Camry usually oversteer on turning left, could I have subframe damage

[@MERICA-ci8sl]

Damn no one gave you a hand with the sub frame, at the shop I work at if you need a hand there's always someone to help.

[@darkarvindrakkar9898]

I wonder what's with all the purple bolts..?

[@jeffjankiewicz5100]

2 questions...lol. 1. What the hell did they hit? 2. Why wasn`t this car totaled? Have a great day Ray.

[@andrewlaw]

That wouldn't even make the shop in the UK, insurance would have written that off with all the bodywork and damaged suspension, subframe components.

[@edwardmyers1746]

All the removed weight from the rear was making me pucker a little lol

[@stevesas4744]

With the low supply of used cars on the market they are fixing everything they can.

[@eaglerider1826]

Wasn't it 2009 when Obama bailed out General Motors and pushed the idea to scrap so many used cars .

[@TonicofSonic]

People always get all wide eyed when you mention subframes but in reality they are not a big deal to remove.

[@fhuber7507]

Usually, when the subframe is bent, the unibody is bent. Pretty much can't straighten that. So much damage here, it really can't be trusted to protect the occupants in another collision. It's just never the same again.

[@litz13]

This brings a whole new meaning to "front wheel drive"

[@morkorson4196]

Just a question: With all the weight coming off the back should the front of the car be supported?

[@dumbeezy5480]

Nah don’t think it matters

[@chrisbailey5055]

Hey Ray, For these big insurance jobs would it be possible for you to let us know how many hours are billing for this work...and maybe the parts costs? I attempt the mental math while you work, but it never works out.

[@RainmanRaysRepairs]

I’ve agreed with my company not to disclose prices or hours. But it was over 10

[@candicebeebe6688]

That ToYoTa should be sitting in a Copart, IAAI lot.

[@wms201]

The car fax will say ‘wheel alignment’. lol

[@martinadelaide3385]

I'm surprised this car wasn't just written off by the insurer with the amount of bodywork and suspension damage.

[@ericcarr1648]

I'm surprised the insurance company didn't total this car.

[@Dis-Emboweled]

Body shop peeps can only diagnose what they see, undercarriage things are a mystery sometimes

[@jeremyanthony9300]

Omg. You just about ripped out the whole rear suspension.