During the masterclass of Andrew Scheps on AES 2017 somebody had noticed that he has some stereo compatibility or phase issues. Andrew Scheps said: "Yeah, so what?)"
@ostrol15903 жыл бұрын
Andrew Scheps doesn't mix for club systems :))
@public_hell3 жыл бұрын
@@ostrol1590 yeah, so what?)
@ostrol15903 жыл бұрын
@@public_hell you can lose a lot of loudness, and even harmonic information due to notch filtering by translating into mono. Considering dance music is bass heavy, and being played at loud volumes is even more bass-focussed, keeping the mid-freqs in mono is the difference between having mids and just having a kick and hi hat playing. If you are mixing for a club, check in mono. Rock mixing doesn't mix for the club, and that's fine.
@AboveEmAllProduction5 жыл бұрын
this is the best sounding stereo width plugin ive heard yet!
@nebstaism5 жыл бұрын
AboveEmAllProduction it’s not a stereo widening plugin.... it’s used to make a wide stereo image mono compatible... it stops the stereo image from going out of phase in mono
@brianpennymusic5 жыл бұрын
This+any short of pad= next level
@ProDoucher5 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking this would be great for crazy synth patches.
@AMpr0d4 жыл бұрын
Alot of these plugins seem to be designed for the master bus, but they look like they would actually work nicely on individual tracks.
@soul_yt78425 жыл бұрын
Most EDM clubs have a stereo to mono converter, and use mono output to the crowd. As such, in the club it isn't a problem to not make two mixes, one stereo and one mono. Also, and I hate telling audio Engineers this, but your average person and even your average artist will not be able to tell the difference between some and no phase cancellation within EDM tracks. There is simply too little signal in breakdowns to cause phase cancellation, and there is so much background effects and white noise we add to drops that phase cancellation isn't noticeable within them.
@kvdence5 жыл бұрын
"Lets run the oil through it then, shall we" ... Singlehandedly enhanced my Monday. 👏🏽
@helltitan56705 жыл бұрын
Is correct comparing this to Box Digital Labs SideWidener? They call this Dynamic stereo width for the limiter but is not correct at all.
@robowen665 жыл бұрын
Your thumb nail makes it look like a fail when it's obviously a total win... but that's what got me interested in watching the video... and the video sold the plugin to me!
@cryptonios5 жыл бұрын
nice idea for a future video on how to make mixes wide or wider...?
@kodakeller63535 жыл бұрын
Most people are listening on ear buds or headphones, which are stereo. even if they’re listening to the built in speakers on the phone it’s probably still stereo as well. I think the last 3 Apple Phone releases have stereo speakers. I don’t think many people are actually listening in mono majority of the time but it still doesn’t hurt to make it mono compatible of course. I don’t think it’s AS important as so many people make it out to be. As long as ur not totally overdoing it you should be fine. I tend to prefer mixing for headphone users, because like I said, most people are listening on headphones or earbuds. I ride the train in the city everyday and literally every single person is wearing mostly earbuds but sometimes over the ear headphones as well. Unless you want to annoy everyone around you with your phone speakers, which doesn’t occur that often, then most people are using headphones and earbuds. But like I said, even the phone speakers nowadays are in stereo. So yeah, I prefer to mix for headphone users and make my mixes wide, but obviously just don’t overdue it and should be fine. Oh and also, a lot modern cars have hi fi surround sound systems with a super wide image and of course everyone’s going to be listening to music in their cars as well. I find it extremely important to check my mixes in cars. Listening in mono is quickly becoming a thing of the past and we’re almost at the point where it’s totally not going to matter anymore and there’s honestly no point to even think about it, at least in my perspective. The future isn’t mono, it’s actually quickly turning to surround. You’d be surprised how many car sound systems are in surround. I invest a lot more than most people into stereo imaging/widening plugins as well as multichannel/surround plugins for this very reason. If you don’t need them now, you’ll definitely need them in the future. And it’s best to learn now and get ahead of the curve than to learn later and get left behind. Not to mention also pretty much all video games are surround sound as well, and that’s a big industry influencing a lot of things, even music. A lot of people could be listening on their surround sound gaming headphones or sound systems at home either through their PC’s or gaming consoles. Spotify does quite well with gaming consoles.
@Yrushmusic5 жыл бұрын
But you're not correct. Phone speakers are basically mono because they are so close together. TVs are mono for the same reason since the speakers are almost side by side mosttt of the time. The really BIG deal breaker for not ensuring mono compatibility though is clubs and sounds systems for parties. They are ALWAYS mono. Imagine someone in a club and the system is stereo.. That means someone on one side of the club or party will hear only some or MORE or one sound?... Madness. The guy in VIP needs to hear the music the same as the girl on the dancefloor etc.. So unless you want your mix to not be relevant on a TV, or a party or any club then sure destroy the mono. You an still have nice stereo width AND surround AND have mono compatibility if you mix correctly.
@Normala-music5 жыл бұрын
@@Yrushmusic That is true, but i'm on board with Koda Keller. First off, if you are listening on phone speakers you really don't hear anything anyway. If you are in a loud club, I'm sure no one will hear or care that you lost a tiny bit of a certain sound because it was summed to mono. Most tv speakers are a joke as well, and if there are two actual speakers there then it is not mono and the problem will be... well not as bad as if it was single speaker. I say give headphone and hifi people the best experience, the others won't mind i'm sure.
@kodakeller63535 жыл бұрын
Yrushmusic that’s why I said don’t overdue it and you should be fine. I’m just saying it’s not something I think people should worry about so much and let it ruin their creativity. I’m just saying in the future mono won’t be nearly as prevalent as it is today as many sound systems even on tvs and phones are learning ways to make stereo or surround sound wider than it really is even with the speakers being so close to together. You’d be pretty surprised how good the built in stereo speakers sound on the new Apple phones, because I was. And especially all the new TV’s sound fuckin great with their built in speakers. a lot of them incorporate Dolby atmos somehow. I know obviously it’s not as good as real surround speakers and a sub and all that, but I was very surprised at just how wide and great sounding a lot of the new built in tv speakers sound. Then again, how many people are honestly listening to music on their built in tv speakers anyways? But either way, my main point is as long as ur not overdoing it you should be fine.
@jocke19725 жыл бұрын
A Lot of Bluetooth speakers are mono, most PA systems, clubs, music in stores, a lot of Cable TV channels are mono etc. mono is everywhere’s
@kodakeller63535 жыл бұрын
Joakim my point isn’t that you shouldn’t watch your mono compatibility in your mixes. I understand that it’s important. I’m just saying it’s not really AS Important as people make it out to be. Sure there’s a lot of mono outputs out there but I’m just saying the direction that most companies are headed in the future isn’t mono and a lot of consumers are becoming far more knowledgeable about sound and most listeners tend to prefer either stereo or surround outputs. And honestly, how many people are watching cable television nowadays and what does that have to do with music? People aren’t listening to music on cable television. 99% of the time people are listening to music in their cars, on earbuds or headphones through their phones, sometimes speakers, which may be mono, but more than likely will be in stereo, and sometimes even surround. Yes I understand that club and PA systems are in mono but that doesn’t mean you should limit your creativity to only making ur mix sound good in mono and let it destroy your stereo and width creativity. I personally think it’s important to make your mix sound more interesting for stereo listeners. Like I said, as long as your not overdoing it you should be fine. Losing a tiny bit of information here and there for people listening in mono like in clubs and stuff like that isn’t going to be the end of the world, and they likely wouldn’t even notice anyways since most clubs are so bass heavy and sound crazy anyways lol. As long as ur bass is in mono you’re probably good to go. But if you’re going so crazy with your mix that you can’t even hear certain important things in mono then you probably shouldn’t be an engineer anyways.
@KanalJoel4 жыл бұрын
Did you tried out the PAZ Analyzer from Waves? It has an very usefull and understandable Correlation Meter build in. It´s very easy to see where youre Sound is in the Stereo-field there.
@nebstaism5 жыл бұрын
I have this plugin and it works good keeping a wide stereo image mono compatible... it actually works... a lot of vst synths sound crap in mono ... this plugin fixes that 💯🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand5 жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of this plugin!
@Not-Only-Reaper-Tutorials5 жыл бұрын
it’s listenable the pumping effect that the variable stereo image has
@caspermaster-com5 жыл бұрын
I like the plugin:) I use wideners both for width, their sound, and to phase out the middle from stereo guitars for example to a vocal. This is good in the 1st scenario
@alexhormann89315 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting what it does to doubled guitars which are super wide already but not mono compatible. Can it work the other way round too?
@MacroLab3D5 жыл бұрын
FYI: they have a demo now.
@maxbosoxfan1715 жыл бұрын
loved it !!make a fatter sound and not worry about distortion and noise !! thanks for the video !!
@xaosnox5 жыл бұрын
I was really starting to miss Sandstorm! I think he's done a great job with this, but not a lot of people are going to need it. But, if you are going to use a stereo widener, this would definitely be the one to use!
@mantaproject5 жыл бұрын
I sometimes like to experiment with delay's and get in phase problemens, this is maybe a good thing to have in the master bus and stay phase problem free?
@patrickalphenaar5 жыл бұрын
If you need mono compatibility while you are mixing you also could make a fx channel get Voicode by merging technologies and send your track to that fx or buss channel and you cant get a negative correlation anymore. But should send about -6 to -3 otherwise center image to loud...... will check this plugin as looks interesting to check on some piano node’s which tends to go out of phase or being to wide. Cheers.
@matsewunderlich5 жыл бұрын
sounds good! so you can set a crossfade frequency that the sub bass is 100% Mono - seems like a cool tool 👍
@lusteraspiration5 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on “in the box” mixing and mastering (kind of like Joey Sturgis’s Nail The Mix)? And possibly use examples of less than perfect tracks? I feel a lot of the content you show in your videos are electronic based and to some extent the samples are already somewhat processed. Maybe explain how you’d go about mixing drums/guitar/bass/vocals that were tracked with mics in a less than ideal room, etc. I say “in the box” because most of us at home recording artists aren’t going to have access to outboard gear and will be limited to plug-ins.
@kenny61055 жыл бұрын
this is cool as hell, thanks for reviewing this!
@Nullllus5 жыл бұрын
The problem with this plugin is that in mono audio gets a bit louder as soon as it's pushed to the center.
@user-vd3if4wq6m Жыл бұрын
A good plugin developer knows this and handles the Law beneath the hood...I wonder, are you just stating this or is this a problem with this plug?
@markfluxx5 жыл бұрын
does this do what SPL MixDream Stereo Expander does? theoretically they would do the same thing, but I somehow feel it's a lot different
@OzricTentaclesRule5 жыл бұрын
Good snake oil episode...the issue is if ya realize the mix and master is well too phased after the fact its really kind of too late... so perhaps a good plugin for a repair to a stem that is fixed (unrepairable), but couldn't a revision be done in the mix?... anyhoo,. Its so difficult to have a mix that hits every single bullet point , I feel like it could be one of those tools that might work on a random whacked stem... I find Izotopes built in multi band dynamic shapers can help here also while maintaining the transients.
@neuronmind5 жыл бұрын
I went to a shop to buy me a copy of Sandstorm by Da Rude, Now I 'm sitting at home with a stockpile of 300 records. I'm confused....
@MrKrummelumme5 жыл бұрын
just get Wider from polyverse and infected mushroom, its free and does the same thing and also keeps it mono compatible
@DrDeese5 жыл бұрын
For a producer thats magical
@MaartenFranken5 жыл бұрын
Ever since Im using 2 monitor sets, Ive got a Big Knob on my desk, which has a mono button. I use that button constantly when mixing, everytime I do something that might have some effect on phase. Ive been looking for a good widerner, for a while. Right now Im using the iZotope, but I'll have a look at this plugin, it seems very interesting
@TheDoug21035 жыл бұрын
its a great tool for ametures looking for a little something. i agree, big is recorded big
@donalobroin17755 жыл бұрын
Have you ever used the Meterplug stuff, like Perception?
@Whiteseastudio5 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@JayLGuitar4 жыл бұрын
So you only use time coherent recording technic?
@nicopineapples32385 жыл бұрын
I think there's an exception for phase cancelling instruments on the left and right channel, which would be M/S micing of an acoustic guitar. Since there's still a centered signal, it sounds super wide when played in stereo and the guitar does not go away, when summed to mono. Any other opinions?
@jorgepeterbarton4 жыл бұрын
If its in balance and mics are close enough as you dont want massive changes across systems. But i know many producers wouldnt touch m/s. Still it would be in the green of the phase coherence meter because youd hopefully put more of the mid mic in there... Its kind of a blended sound just like any stereo source you can decode to mid/side.
@scottfaircloff953010 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@kiseki4905 жыл бұрын
in fine it's a transparent compressor mid/side but with just the side...
@jorgepeterbarton4 жыл бұрын
Is it? It would be advertised as something different, like adjust the phase... But limit 'width' not volume. Otherwise not that useful. Mcompressor does that... Is better not just to lower the side, you lose balance. There is a Reaper stock plugin that MOVES THE SIDES INTO THE MIDS...? Simple mid/side decoding i guess, you phase rotate one side I am guessing as side=both channels inverted phase between them, opposite for left/right Of course, that would be better at mixing by 100000% on each part.
@Beatsbasteln5 жыл бұрын
i think that width is a lot of fun and i don't wanna care about the mono signal. tame impala also don't care obviously and they are cool
@TheGurner15 жыл бұрын
Seems worth having at the price? Anyway it's not the oil of the snake!
@alainjulot34903 жыл бұрын
Did you just give the Indian accent? I'm dead. That was so accurate! lolll I love the Indian accent. They are smart and intelligent people!
@HexagonMusic5 жыл бұрын
What about the universal audio dsp processed plugins - are they any good?
@muzikbzh61014 жыл бұрын
can't install this , scanning = nothing in cubase 10.5
@15bleach513 жыл бұрын
Do Airwindows Console set of plugins
@leeadkins13605 жыл бұрын
Interesting, thanks as always!
@cartofgiant5 жыл бұрын
Love it bro. ,prove that bunk shit... what do you think of dangerous liaison.
@therealdjap5 жыл бұрын
I thoroughly enjoy your videos. Incredibly entertaining and informative. Spot on as usual.
@bennysbside5 жыл бұрын
Please Snake Oil the SSL Native Bundle!
@ytnsanw5 жыл бұрын
Not available in AAX - :-(
@kaitsu96085 жыл бұрын
Ive havent been much into stereo imaging tools, but instead regular ms/lr eqing. I can sculpt it way i like, but admit that when i do so im checking into phase meter(vectorscope?) in digicheck tool that comes with rme cards. I learnt it this way, i've thought stereo spread tools were to fool money from people that dont know this technique 😄 but one free phase meter id recommend is the one flux makes, check it out
@Kevin-vq6rv5 жыл бұрын
I use stereospreads only to narrow stereotracks.
@DJayFreeDoo5 жыл бұрын
thats what i usually end up doing as well. less wide stuff in the mix, makes the stuff you want wide sound a lot wider. it's about contrast.
@Pishposhing5 жыл бұрын
should call this the phase saver and have an icon with a goalie
@ak_0_0_15 жыл бұрын
we gon get dis
@Pishposhing5 жыл бұрын
@@ak_0_0_1 lol damn caught lurking
@ak_0_0_15 жыл бұрын
@@Pishposhing we just have good taste in youtubers
@ThomasMurray75 жыл бұрын
I completely stopped using stereo widening tools except to make bass mono and my mixes have only sounded better since It sounds awesome on a piano backing a guitar until you switch to mono and it collapses completely, so I might actually consider buying this plugin if only for that one purpose
@Whiteseastudio5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like this plugin is perfect for that purpose ;-)
@gottreich5 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of the plugin but i dont think a wide mix is important or sounds better then a mix which is more centered. I even prefer a centered mix. As long as each element in the mix has its own space.
@williaml.1865 жыл бұрын
the thing that makes the plugin special isn't the usage on the master but the subtleties that you can achieve using it in the mixing process
@gottreich5 жыл бұрын
@@williaml.186 Give me an example please.
@Toma-sr5hh5 жыл бұрын
@@gottreich making the amount of width more consistent through out each sound, although I dont know why you wouldnt just use a comp on the side signál for that
@gottreich5 жыл бұрын
I mean as always there are creative aspects while mixing. But for me only a full mix or at least a bus (i.e. drums) has enough stereo-dynamic (i mean right left changing) information to use that plugin. A piano or a lead synth is not dynamic enough to go and use that plugin on it. A release has to have information to work with. Maybe its useful for a pingpong delay but here is the possibility to go too far to the sides and sound weird.
@jawneetest5 жыл бұрын
so you gave this plug in a fair shake, even though you know going in, anyone who knows how to mix, doesn't need any sort of sterio widening, its for people that want a quick fix for a problem they prob caused themselves by over doing everything
@weltfremd5 жыл бұрын
nice for vinyl cutting
@ericstoltz38375 жыл бұрын
Q&A.. Are you related to "Jen" from the movie "The Dark Crystal"?
@reverendoz5 жыл бұрын
the process button is inspired from the BBE Maximizer I think;)
@AndrewBawitlung5 жыл бұрын
Wider - Polyverse Music FREE!
@MarcTelesha5 жыл бұрын
That gave me phasing on the most basic of guitar riffs.
@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand5 жыл бұрын
Marc Telesha at which values??
@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand5 жыл бұрын
Andrew Bawitlung this plugin and wider aren completely different in function, not sure why you’re bringing it up
@JimGramze5 жыл бұрын
WHERE IS THE PAYOFF?!?!? Sorry for yelling. You did not say whether it is Snake Oil or not. I'm assuming not, even though you say you don't need it. I'm going to get it right now just because it looks like a cool toy. DrMS from Mathew Lane is my current champion of this kind of plugin, it can both break and fix correlation depending on how you use it. I have piano virtual instruments that sound awful when listened to in mono, even if it is the only thing playing. DrMS can tame its correlation to both sound good and play nice with mono compatibility. But reading a bit of the manual or watching a video is necessary to understand what the four main knobs do.
@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand5 жыл бұрын
Obviously not Snake Oil, the plugin does what it is oughts to. For a small price too.
@neoseyes5 жыл бұрын
try it on your voice/lav
@joher915 жыл бұрын
I bet if u check stats 1/3 atleast Will be phone users and lot use single phone speaker !
@DavidSJ_DAP5 жыл бұрын
Very cool...don't need it...
@muzikbzh35935 жыл бұрын
bx_solo works also
@EG_John5 жыл бұрын
bx_solo is just a mid-side matrix. Just like Voxengo MSED. A completely different thing is SideMinder. This is a relative side limiter that only works with a negative correlation.
@timhartnell24725 жыл бұрын
Haha. Not unsubscribing just yet!
@DUBSYNATICX5 жыл бұрын
lol i simply buy it :D
@jawneetest5 жыл бұрын
Holy Shit, look at this, your taking time out to read the info on the plugin?!?!?!? Not just playhing with it for two seconds and then ripping it sheds?!?!? wHa?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
@Whiteseastudio5 жыл бұрын
I’m learning 🤔
@mastertapesband27675 жыл бұрын
will be cool to hear your opinion regarding this brand www.dmgaudio.com i think their mb limiter really sounds sweet :) but they say that equalizers are also superb....etc. thanks for creating this fun channel :) best wishes !!!
@blancodeplomo5 жыл бұрын
I hate waves plugins, but Waves center sound much better
@SoundsBy80K4 жыл бұрын
waves center does no dynamic correleation ajustments in realtime.. so how you compare these two?