Ralph Ellis: Why are so many famous biblical characters MISSING from the historical record?

Today I spoke with Ralph Ellis, a historian and author who has spent more than three decades searching for secular similarities and parallels between the disciplines of history and theology.
We briefly discussed his background, and then dove into many topics, including:
• How the Hebrews were actually the Hyksos, who did exit Egypt and conquer Canaan.
• How the Garden of Eden was based on the Egyptian garden of Aten, and the fascinating history of Pharaoh Akhenaten and Queen Nefertiti, who were major players in the move toward monotheism, as they worshipped Aten, the sun disc.
• The fact that neither the characters of Jesus and Paul are not attested in the historical record, and what that implies regarding the major cover-up of their true identities, including the kingdom of Edessa.
• How the Gospels and Acts represent historical events and people, but 40 years later than Christians are taught.
• The theological and academic blindness that keeps people from seeing alternatives to what they've been taught, and how the issue is not just what people DON'T know, but what they WON'T know.
Many thanks to Ralph for the many ways he sheds light on important issues and shares insightful historical connections. His work inspires me more than ever to dig into history.
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[@somniumisdreaming]

I appreciate the fact you let him speak so much, interjecting only to ask pertinent questions or clear up a matter. So many interviewers don't do that.

[@onedaya_martian1238]

Agreed ! Good positive feedback that is "seconded" with this comment. All in favor hit sominumisdreaming upvote !!

[@andrewkayla7994]

After listening to gentleman yesterday and today, I've now deconverted. Thanks Tim. Keep posting. Great job

[@tinyshepherdess7710]

It was that easy for you? Wow, took me 4 decades!

[@samayo9746]

😂😂

[@Thadhouse]

@@tinyshepherdess7710 He saw a couple of videos and said, “That settles it.” 😂😂😂

[@MilesDavisKDAB]

Listening to Ralph Ellis talk about his early life is like listening to myself. CofE primary school, an atheist by age 8, thrown out of Sunday school for asking too many questions (or "upsetting the other children" as it was put to my parents). A very interesting discussion. Thanks for posting it.

[@HarmonicAtheist]

Thank you!

[@elliottpaine9259]

Much respect to you for asking questions that much. So sad that people who claim: "I am pure, nothing to hide, am honest, sins confessed, clean, and presenting you with the whole truth" could be so unwilling to listen/answer questions from a child. What does your sunday school think of Jesus astounding the teachers of the law in the temple at 12 with his questions?

[@hstacker93]

So many people with this story. My grandmother was my Sunday school teacher, so I was just made to shut up in the Baptist Church below my apartment that my grandfather was pastor of lol. Literature set me free.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

Miles: I just wish I would have had as much common sense and curiosity at age 8 as you did. Mine didn't arrive until much later.

[@auntkathy9141]

If Ralph Ellis’ work was broadly accepted it would put churches out of business! Of course the mainstream will not be accepting of it! But, OMG does his research make sense and has opened my mind!

[@RalphEllis]

Indeed it would. This information is explosive…. R

[@Rain-Dirt]

It has nothing to do with "mainstream". It has everything to do with his work in itself. There is no legit reason to accept it. And there are plenty of LEGIT reasons to reject the religious faith.

[@Beegee1952]

Ralph makes so much sense! Very enlightening!

[@henrim9348]

Another great interview. Another great guest. Tim, you are really on a roll. Keep up the great work, brother.

[@HarmonicAtheist]

Thanks, Henri! I appreciate that encouragement. --Tim

[@gracecao4143]

Mind blown!! Had to keep rewinding to listen to it over and over again! Thank you for your great work!

[@johnrenfro9460]

Ralph Ellis is my favorite historian. He is the most interesting I have ever read and I am a history and literature major.

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

Then you must be quite a failure in your field.

[@MJS2241]

I Think he is now my favorite as well after listening to what he has to say . Very informative and helpful . He doesn't tip toe around everything like others do.

[@Rain-Dirt]

Uhm. There are no credentials to be found that Ralph Ellis is a historian. He can be your favorite guy all you want, but do not say he is a historian. In fact, he's far from being one. He prides himself that because he is independent from theological and educational establishments that this allows him to tread where others do not dare (false), and that he has discovered many new historical and biblical truths (false as well). He belongs in the camp of pseudoscientists as far as I'm concerned. Compare this with Jean-Pierre Houdin, who developed a whole way of how the pyramid of Giza were build, providing a nice addition to the theories as a whole, without even having visited the pyramids. To say that you have to visit the places in order to build a hypothesis or theory or to understand, is just not true... Ralph thinks you have to, while JP Houdin clearly proved this wrong. I do not descredit the value visiting the sites bring, by any means, but Ralph is not entirely correct here. It might have helped that JP Houdin IS an architect who saw the buildingproject of the pyramids as a challenge. Whenever you have someone telling you that "they do not want you to know", be very careful to whatever you are willing to accept to what else this person has to say in that same setting. What Ralph does is making assumptions and creating links because they seem fitting and builds one that through basically repeating the process, without proper and verifiable usage of evidence/sources. It's like taking the average of averages. It is a misrepresentation. Since you are a major in history and literature, I sincerely hope you will not make that same mistake.

[@Ravenwolf31415]

Your argument is nothing more than an appeal to authority. A common tactic many employ in debates to claim their view is the correct one. The Baloney Rules (google it) are an excellent tool in research.@@Rain-Dirt

[@Bluesruse]

​@@Rain-Dirt You don't need "credentials" to be a historian, or a scholar of any kind. Bit of a black and white comparison there about visiting historical sites, and not a really valid one either. I mean, can visiting a historical site give you better perspective on matters? Maybe. Is it necessary? Maybe not. What disqualifies Ralph as a "historian" in your mind, specifically? His methodology? I get the sentiment; as plenty of New Testament scholars keep masquerading as "historians", even though their methodology is safely in pseudoacademics and their bahvior in general anathema to intellectual honesty. Scholars of Homeric literature are fine scholars of literature, but who you don't see trying to pull _unquestionable_ historical facts from their work. So, there's some validity in being "independent" when it comes being any sort of scholar whose interests come little too close to the religious sentiments of certain religion(s).

[@kellifabdandyfinds836]

This is excellent information. Thank you, Tim for bringing us these topics and educating us on the many details we need to know. Thank you, Ralph, for sharing your life's work. It is appreciated.

[@Myks_Faded_jeans]

This is one of the most amazing and informative videos I have ever watched

[@RalphEllis]

Glad you enjoyed it. R

[@dngmcneely]

Thank you for taking the time and providing a place for this information to be presented.

[@HarmonicAtheist]

You're very welcome, and thanks for the positive feedback! --Tim

[@Magar6]

I like Ralph Ellis. I am not 100% sure he is right, but the historical record is far from complete, so he may well be. He is intelligent and well-read and he makes a very interesting case.

[@HarmonicAtheist]

Agreed!

[@RalphEllis]

Even if I am only 60% correct, I have changed everything. R

[@dirktucker77]

​@@RalphEllisyou have certainly changed my life! Decades of feeling guilty for even trying to find the truth to why I was always so skeptical. I learned about every type of Christian theology I could get information about. That's when it really started unraveling. So many completely different beliefs and they all think they are right. The catholic church and the jesuits just laughing in their world of vanity, wealth and deceit because they know the truth. None of them are! Christianity, the Caesars deceit!!

[@joycesky5041]

This guy is a genius! His stuff is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!!

[@sulas548]

@seeker of truth Were you looking in a mirror when you wrote that? You need to change your username that one is not accurate. I would recommend 'Denier of Truth' it would be more accurate.

[@sulas548]

​@@sv8156 Can you point out exactly where in my post to 'Seeker of truth' that I asserted or implied that (s)he should accept 'my' truth? So that is your first dishonest assertion. Atheist's don't have any philosophies that are flawed because they don't have any philosophies. That is a strawman and you should know better. So that is your second dishonest assertion. I assume you don't believe in Unicorns, do you have any philosophies on the subject? How does 'you' physically being in a country that Ralph visited debunk his argument? Is that your third dishonest assertion? Are you going to answer my question from your response on the other thread? Or are you going to dishonestly ignore it? "THERE IS NO MEDICINE FOR DISHONESTY", If you get my drift!

[@sulas548]

@@sv8156 You might be confident but you are still wrong. There is no ''my' truth and 'his' truth there is only truth, if you have some information that will back up your assertion that 'your' truth is 'the' truth I would love to hear it. I make no assertions or claims about the truth I simply reject your claims to the truth due to lack of evidence. An Atheist is NOT someone that believes there is no god. An Atheist is someone that has NO belief in a god. They are intrinsically different and your position is a strawman. An Anti theist is someone that states there is no god. Please learn this and don't make this mistake again. It is very tiresome having to educate theists all the time. Condensing Ralphs studies down to a sentence about tourists is absurd and disingenuous and frankly puerile. So again you did not answer the key question so I will ask it again; Can you tell me the exact method that you 'personally' used to verify that anything in Genesis is factually and objectively true? In fact why not do the whole Bible while you are at it. Please don't quote from the book itself as you cannot use the book to prove the book, that is what the Muslims do with the Quran and I doubt you believe them. You will need to give me some outside source that verifies that the contents are actually true. Can you do that?

[@sulas548]

​@@sv8156 I am sure you hold no beliefs towards the existence of Thor, Zeus and Poseidon. By your flawed argument you therefore disbelieve in them and therefore you refuse to believe and you reject them which means you have an inability or refusal to accept something is true or real. Does that make those three gods real? This is very a sloppy argument. Atheist do not reject god, it is not possible to reject something that does not exist. Ironically I am fairly confident that you outright reject and disbelieve in all of the other 10,000 + gods that have been worshipped by mankind throughout history. I on the other hand just very simply reject the claims of those worshippers including your claims due to lack of evidence. Your arrogance that your particular nasty little god has some exception from my rejection of your claims is just pure conceit. Why do you think that the god of the society, and point in history, that you grew up in has some special status? If I were to take the baby 'you' back in time to 10th century Norway you would grow up believing with utter certainty that Odin was the only true 'chief' god. You are simply a packaged product of your society. It is very annoying when YT delete posts, I generally write them somewhere else and paste them in as I can then paste again if they are deleted. Can you try again as this question is fundamental to the core of your beliefs and if you don't have a valid answer then you don't have a valid reason for making your claims. I have a lot more interest in 'how' and 'why' you came to believe what you do rather than 'what' you believe.

[@sulas548]

@s V Deleted all his posts because he was unable to backup any of his claim so he ran away.

[@RoseSharon7777]

Ralph is correct. Its amazing to me just how comfortable folks are in thier deception. They refuse to accept they've been misled and hate to hear anything that rocks thier boat. Even we were told the whole ekklesia would be deceived.. Pride comes before a fall for sure.

[@cindychristman8708]

Just curious, where does it say the whole ekklesia would be deceived?

[@andrewkayla7994]

This guy just blew me away. He's a genius. I learned so much. Thanks Tim.

[@Britonbear]

He's a rubbish bricklayer though.

[@richiecunningham6552]

Wow! That was an amazing roller coaster ride, of discovery, amazing stuff.👍

[@cdzlink7115]

Wow, this just blew my mind. I don't normally talk like that, but this really blew my mind. If this is true, then this explains it all.

[@wolfshedler5898]

I have a lot of respect for Ralph Ellis. One of the greatest men in our time .

[@richardwilliams9278]

This is mind blowing so glad I looked in to your older interviews…..❤

[@mariavaleriagiacaglia8974]

Thank you both for this great show!

[@annbouchard6564]

Hi Ralph. Good to hear your discussion here.

[@davereese6614]

FASCINATING guest!!!!!!!!

[@danielfolkens5639]

New to your channel. This one was a master class. Wow!

[@SicMundus7]

Very intriguing talk. I will have to check out his books. You are a great interviewer Tim. Thanks.

[@neilbrookins8428]

Wow. This blows my mind. It came up on my feed today. I wasn’t looking for this. But I’m guessing it’s recommended because I watched other videos on this Channel.

[@johnm.4655]

40:44, 1:15:33 - Finally, he unveils the key to the entire Bible: ASTROTHEOLOGY. I remember when I first heard the term back in 2008 or so, I thought the entire idea was bollocks and completely insane. But then I started researching, and researching, and researching some more, and after 12 + years intense research and study, I'm completely convinced ASTROTHEOLOGY and SIDEREAL ALLEGORY is the entire typological, symbolic, emblematic, and syncretistic underpinning of all of the Judeo-Christian scriptures; and not only them, but most of the scriptures of all the religions of the world. Once you "get it", the scales fall from your eyes, and you have true understanding. "Let him that hath eyes to see, let him see..." P.S - 59:49 "Aramaic is the daughter of language Egyptian, it's the same language." Finally, someone else "got it". 😀 Additionally, Yahweh is the Moon god, EL is the Sun god, Shaddai is Seth/Set (Satan), the Adon/Aten/Eten is Akhenaten's supreme "God of Light" (Solar Based), borrowed by the Israelites, garden of Eten (Eden) , etc. And 1:20:53 He backs up the the insightful work of Joseph Atwill in his groundbreaking book."Caesar's Messiah". 1:30:54, 1:32:31 - Josephus Flavius was Saul/Paul, amazing. So much here! And just WHO is this "Jesus Character" (Bar Kamsa / King Izas Manu of Edessa)? 1:56:11, 2:35:13. Just brilliant, critical thinking Ralph. 🙂👍 P.P.S. - Dearest Wonderful Chris, you nailed it here - 2:28:23 - people really do not know WHAT they're really "worshipping" or what/who is actually talking to them "in their heads" when they think it's "their Lord Jesus". Truly psychologically frightening when you think about it! The real story 2:28:52. At any rate, thanks a million Bro! This was a truly a lightning bolt show for me! 🤗👍❤

[@steveb2662]

@John M, thanks for this review. You've saved me from watching 2.5 hours of complete nonsense.

[@johnm.4655]

Hey Steve: Glad I could be of some assistance. LOL! 😉 Have a great weekend! ☺

[@dorinamary7863]

But you have to ask which came first, the gospel in the stars, or the stars in the gospel?

[@joecurran2811]

Wasn't Yahweh a volcanic God?

[@markrichter2053]

I don’t know. I’m interested. But, well, I don’t really need all the esoteric gobbledygook to convince me the the Bible’s not what it seems. Some of these links seem a stretch. That Jesus isn’t in the historical records says a lot to me. But if he was a powerful king married to Mary Magdalene, who was the richest Queen ever, with a dowry worth billions in our money, then not finding him in the historical records is a lot weirder and a lot more of a stretch!

[@dakrontu]

Amazing how this hangs together and explains plenty of puzzles along the way. So glad I listened to it. Great news for the Irish.

[@ernestschroeder9762]

Mind blown. I will watch this again and any follow-up.

[@garrygillies8657]

Again Ralph, outstanding . 👏 and you got a new subscriber for the interview. Pleasure to listen to.

[@eyeswideopenapril]

Loved learning in this interview. Thank you for sharing your research and hard work. This needs shared, shared and shared again. 😊😅❤

[@auntkathy9141]

WOW..I now see correlation between 12 zodiac signs with 12 tribes of Israel! Seminaries, Bible colleges, churches , not to mention religions in general, would all be defunct if all this information was taught globally!

[@onedaya_martian1238]

If "The Truth" (tm) were told, so many people would be out of business, it would be scary.

[@auntkathy9141]

@@onedaya_martian1238 yes indeed. I made a list once of businesses that are dependent on or have dealings with Christianity; it was quite lengthy!

[@Helmy67]

Plus, 12 deciples of Jesus, even 12 months of a year... 24 hours of a day as 12+12 in the clocks.

[@BlessYourHeart254]

So glad I found this channel ❤ I love the long form discussions and intelligent host and guests. Tonic for my atheist “soul” ❤❤❤

[@hzoonka4203]

Dr.Christine Hayes on the origins of Yahweh,its a must watch.

[@letahamilton2754]

Thanks for the suggestion. Can’t wait to listen.

[@maryquinn6661]

It’s undeniable! So appreciate having this confirmation for myself in the deconversion process! To know there is evidence that is historical and verifiable! Looking forward to you having Ralph Ellis on again. Thank you Tim your channel has been a blessing to me! 🙏❤️😊

[@cindychristman8708]

I came across Ralph several years ago and I have to say, he makes sense. It's discouraging though because unless believers are willing to open their minds we'll never be able to get through to them. They are a closed book, they have the Truth, they have the greatest god and "paltry" evidence (such as Ralph's) makes no difference. It wasn't until I started asking hard questions, listened to the opposing side, and applied logic and reasoning and didn't lower my standards for evidence that I came around. I had to put my love for Jesus aside and look at Christianity from an outsider perspective (John Loftus Outsider Test for Faith). Sadly, most people aren't willing to do that.

[@mouthpiece200]

Well, considering that religion has been in steep decline, I think you may have a bit more optimism. People do change their minds, every day. It just takes time.

[@charliesimar7541]

This is fascinating. I was required to attend the local church on the corner, which happened to be to be Mennonite. But age 15, I realized the whole religion thing was a load of crap. But I also realized that expressing such an attitude could get one killed - no joke! It has taken decades for me to even be able to admit my atheism to myself. I always had a dodge like "agnosticism" to fall back to. Be that as it may, I do consider myself a devout NON-Christian! I consider sending a child to Sunday School as abuse!!!

[@MJS2241]

Thoroughly enjoyed this one most of all. ❤ Thank you❤

[@atheistmom3591]

This is the most sensible explanation I’ve ever heard for the story of Jesus. I’m willing to accept a 30-40 year time difference to line up those events. Right on. I am a preacher’s kid turned atheist. My 13 year old daughter and I started reading the Bible together. Programs like this help me place the Bible in a rational, historical context. I read the story to her, and get her reaction. We go over any basic related theology or stories, and then we talk about it rationally. I’m looking forward to sharing these ideas With her when we start talking reading about Jesus. Thank you so much for doing what you do. ❤️

[@onedaya_martian1238]

Hopefully you daughter will be one of the Indiana Jones of the 2030s who will write the greatest archeology story ever told and rid the world of superstition for good. Whatever happens, she will at least have a loving parent who showed how to look for truth.

[@Larry30102]

Ralph says some interesting things but I’m not buying the tsunami from Santorini that allowed millions of Jews to leave Egypt. The tsunami cycle to me would happen too fast for all to cross. It doesn’t make sense to me.

[@KarlKarsnark]

Ralph is amazing. Note that the "40 year" chronological chasm is no numerical coincidence either. Indeed, 40 plays a very prominent role in both astronomy/astro-theology (days between the 8 cross quarter days (the same 8 points of a solar wheel and/or compass/cardinal rose); 8 x 40 = 360 days of lunar year, the Flood rained for 40 days and 40 nights, Jesus was in the wilderness for 40 days, 40 (years/days) in Sinai, etc....) The Bible is just like a three card monty con game. Everything is a "perfect" lie and once you know how the trick is done, you can spot it every time.

[@RalphEllis]

It is also the multiple used in the Great Pyramid. And the 40 days and nights in the wilderness. R

[@jhooahwife]

8x40=320, not 360.

[@joecurran2811]

40 was considered a generation in the time and place of the Bible.

[@MrKandu4u]

Although I haven't listened to the whole show Jordon Maxwell was giving seminars on these things since the 70's. Jordon Maxwell was one of the originators of these types of presentations, he was not only one of the originators he was one of the best researchers I've ever known, and I feel we should give credit where credit is due. Some of Jordon Maxwell's books and research are still available. So, my hat is off to Jordon Maxwell as one of the ORIGINAL PRESENTERS & RESEARCHERS of this material. Thank you, Godspeed, and R.I.P. Jordon Maxwell.

[@billguthrie2218]

Watched this one again... Yep... 2:37:00- .....understanding it is healing.

[@strangelitgirl]

Yes!

[@TheRaven757]

This is fascinating!

[@Ο_Θετικός]

This man speaks the only truth, the Historical! Grateful 🙏

[@amyeck3870]

This has been very interesting. Reminds me of Ahmed Osman. He wrote a series on f books about Moses and Akhenaten. Very interesting read!

[@RalphEllis]

Stranger in the Valley of the Kings. R

[@aburrage7697]

Informative and eye opening

[@christopherknight3737]

Thanks!

[@jordanbey870]

Ralph Ellis in the house... I am getting all his books..

[@jonatanmpa]

What Ralph has come up with complements what my father and I have been researching for a long time. We have left the Church's storytelling after 35 and 50 years of experience of the sharpest thing you can participate in regarding the enchanting world of theology and showing churches. My father and I realized a lot of years ago that we need to start over and question everything. Now it seems that a lot is still buried and what is available as "truth" narrative in open days is kind of the opposite way. The king of Edessa Jesus-Izas was very rich. Saul-Josefus certainly seized everything when he took down Jesus from the cross. As one of the richest men, he could then buy heavily positions in Rome. Ralph also highlights the Jews' heaviest descriptions of history. Here it becomes extra interesting because my rabbinical friends actually say that many things are not historical in the Torah. More of philosophical lessons type. Well I respect the Jews but Ralph have my attention.

[@RalphEllis]

The most valuable thing Josephus had, was his skill in crafting Roman propaganda to neuter Messianic Nazarene Judaism. That was worth ‘trillions’ to Rome, and he was rewarded handsomely, both financially and socio-religiously. Effectively, he was the fist Pope of Christianity. R

[@dc8955]

That just blew my mind.

[@atheistmom3591]

Found you guys through Mythvision. 👍🏽

[@johngibbs799]

I admire Ralph. He doesn't have an "axe to grind". He is driven by a sincere desire to uncover the truth about this subject. Academia and others try to marginalize him. I hope he keeps his books in print, permanently. I believe that, sometime in the future, his research will be understood and accepted more and more. Like the amateur researchers into megalithic building, who have been treated as cranks for decades, but are beginning to get some credibility. Thank you, Ralph!!! 😇

[@RalphEllis]

Pleasure. R

[@thomaslynas721]

Incredible research!

[@nijoyjohn4366]

I love listening to Ralph his views his insight, i always wonder how does he manage to get the funds to do all this travelling :)

[@SHurd-rc2go]

Book sales? Seminars?

[@RalphEllis]

Unfortunately, the books are a bottomless pit, into which I keep pouting money. I have a day-job, to fund all of this. Which is why I keep having to stop researching. R

[@nijoyjohn4366]

@@RalphEllis Hats off to your committment, passion and real quest for truth and knowledge :)

[@joecurran2811]

​@@RalphEllisYou lose money on the books? That's a shame.

[@trishayamada807]

When people say what harm is there in religion, we’ll Palmyra got destroyed. Ancient history being destroyed because some people’s religion. It’s shameful and embarrassing that people still believe all that nonsense.

[@greylock1959]

Excellent job 👏

[@pheresy1367]

I googled the "Exodus" and found a description that aligns with Ellis' writings. It's under "Sources and parallels of the Exodus" in the Wiki. Didn't find any reference to Ellis though. Are they denying him credit?

[@RalphEllis]

Yup. They banned me from Wiki. I can no longer post there, and my works cannot be quoted there. R

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

@@RalphEllis No, you are just a notorious serial liar, mostly allergic to any sorts of work and therefore making things up.

[@jokich6379]

I wish you could put time stamps (chapters) nor whatever it is called- so we could easily replay certain subjects or topics. Very deep. Do not really have the time or focus to just sit down, take notes, and absorb it all. Words and names are are to pronounce. Believe comment made must teach it or repeat it till information becomes yours. Thanks always. I have a difficult time focusing, so is helpful to replay. Not an auditory learner.

[@celebs007]

Ralph is the man

[@markrichter2053]

Actually, no he isn’t. He’s a fraud

[@tinyshepherdess7710]

This interview confuses me. One year ago, this channel posted an interview with Dennis MacDonald who presents pretty compelling arguments that swaths of the bible are repackaged Greek myth. I then run across this earlier video posted a year prior. So which is it? Concealed identities, conspiracies and motivations, time inaccuracies, regurgitated myth or a combination of all of the above?

[@HarmonicAtheist]

Great question. I personally would agree with your last statement, that it's a combination of all of the above. Many others would disagree, and I'm fine being an outlier.

[@tinyshepherdess7710]

Yes, I'm thinking the "fairy dust" that Ellis speaks of could very well be the memesis that serves to deify Jesus's identity. That would totally make sense. @@HarmonicAtheist

[@RalphEllis]

Of course there were some Greek myths too. Jesus was a great grandson of Pharaoh Cleopatra, and would have inherited these traditions as well as pure Egyptian traditions and history. R

[@markrichter2053]

I agree. All these theories. So little proof. So little proof of the Bible, or if any of these alternative theories about it. Some of the theories seem just as way out as the Bible itself

[@daletpave4123]

I'm afraid I went a bit on already refuting Kevin Love below 😊. Just wanted to express my thanks to Harmonic Atheist for giving Mr. Ellis a platform to speak out. Whether right or wrong on everything Mr. Ellis proposes, our knowledge (or what we believe it is) needs to be challenged and questioned in order to progress. I was amazed at how little you find on the internet of reactions within academics to the ideas of Mr. Ellis. I think one would find a lot more if his theories were so easily dismissible. What little I found is one or two accredited historians say that he is wrong...and that's where it stops. Most articles are copies of that, as so often happens in media. A bit more from some Christian bloggers, who equally discredit Richard Carrier and Robert Price as pseudo-scholars (the latter not having the correct Ph.D's from the correct religious institutions... go figure). As if you need to be an engineer to drive a car. Basically what I found as "counter-argumentation" was that if you're not a Christian (believing that Jesus is the god who sacrificed himself to himself to save us from the punishment he inflicts upon us if we do not sacrifice to him), you don't have the mental capacity to investigate the bible. The irony... I tried to dig into the Huqoq mosaic a bit...but indeed, almost all articles copy from each other and reiterate that the depiction of the "controversial figure" is "a Greek commander, thought to be Alexander (the Great)". So who is thinking that? Apparently, the main source for this view is Jodi Magness, head of the Huqoq excavations. Admittedly, she does not state this as fact, but the proposition seems to have taken a life of its own as fact the more it is copied into other articles. Even as a proposition I could debate this. a) First, Alexander the Great is almost always depicted as clean shaven (a bearded Alexander the Great only becomes apparent in iconography in the Byzantine era) and for good reason: Alexander wanted to emulate the demigod Heracles and would therefore have condemned any depiction of him with beard as it went against his own propaganda. Not that the artisans of the Huqoq mosaic could not have deviated from this, but if they wanted to depict Alexander the Great, there is no reason why they would have given him a beard and go against every known depiction of him in Antiquity. Doing so would make identification of the figure as Alexander practically impossible. b) The war elephants: once again, the mosaic builders might simply have gotten it wrong, but Alexander would never have met the Jewish High Priest (as the scene is proposed to depict) while in possession of war elephants, as he could only have acquired them at the earliest after the battle at Gaugamela. which occurred after his conquest of Syria-Phoenicia, Judea and the surrender of Egypt. He would never set foot in the Levant again. If the alleged meeting of Alexander with the Jewish High Priest happened at all, it would not have included war elephants. c) I'm not claiming that I have seen all the depictions of Alexander the Great from classical antiquity, but if this a depiction of Alexander the Great then it is the first one ever I have seen where he is wearing a purple cloak. This is either an anachronism inspired by Roman iconography or it simply is not depicting Alexander the Great. d) I agree with Mr. Ellis that the figure in question is wearing stockings (color difference legs - hands) Very atypical for a Greek soldier. e) the "Left Ear adornment": I cannot make out if this a Jewish payot or a jewelry piece, but it is definitely not possible to relate this to Alexander the Great, Maybe a later Seleucid ruler who adopted Persian styles? To me it looks like a Hellenistic (hence post-Alexander) Parthian / Babylonian / Osroenean / Armenian commander/ruler. f) If the scene is depicting the visit of Alexander the Great to Jerusalem and his submission to Yahweh in the Temple (as recounted by Josephus Flavius), then why are the companions of the alleged high priest in the scene all drawing their swords? And why would all these priests even be carrying swords? In conclusion, Jodi Magness' equation of this figure with Alexander the Great is strenuous at best. On the other hand, identifying this figure as Izates Manu (Jesus), while not impossible, is imho as speculative. All we can assert is that this figure was an important political character. [Mr. Ellis is right that history is not written about the poor and working class plebeians, but about rulers]. From my end, honesty compels me to conclude that I cannot identify this character. And oops...got Carrier-ed away again 😊 Thanks for the vid...looking forward to more debate and info

[@RalphEllis]

Jodi Magness sold the ‘Alexander’ identification to Nat Geo for cash. Lots of cash. Nat Geo did not want this character to be ‘bar Kamza’ as they could not sell that. This is history for the highest bidder. R

[@GonzalesLanguages]

Great information, but does the average person understand all of this? It's mind-blowing.

[@chrisnewbury3793]

It's absolutely, tragically, hilarious at how many people this information triggers, from all walks of life.

[@michaelkaiser1864]

As a gnostic, ellis absolutely solidifies things ive picked up along my path! Myth isnt always just a story. Sometimes its truth hidden from bandits and murderers. Truly a brave man!

[@NomadOutOfAfrica]

Five black swan events in one historical event sounds pretty unlikely…

[@RalphEllis]

They are all connected to a maritime volcano. We have seen the same, even recently with the likes of Krakatoa. R

[@clareryan3843]

Lol, I really struggled with the 'black swan' thing: living on the edge of Te Waihora in Aotearoa there are THOUSANDS of black swans swimming around the lake😂 White swans are pretty special to see😁

[@tubamirum007]

This Crown of Thorns incident gives more credence that Josephus Flavius wrote the “Gospels” and back dated them to syncronise with the actual events of 68 to 70 AD and the sacking of Jerusalem and razing of the Temple.

[@RalphEllis]

Yup - that is what happened. R

[@jayeolasw4]

Mind blown.

[@zhunjungacostello3497]

Being a History Teacher, of course there is appreciation for Ellis' research. In my research in recent years; I've read a few of his books years ago and enjoyed them. My note is not only about Izras but about the Hyksos aka Shepard Kings under the astrology sign. After they were dealt with to leave Egypt; and took with them possibly the power source of the pyramids, (besides the jewels and gems) did they then disperse to become the chameleon Karzarian Jews today? Firstly, my synopsis, they dispersed into the seas Phonesians aka the Pirates, to Scotland ( See "Scota...), to Italy the Venetians, to the satanic forces today who still worship Egyptian icons. Hidden as Karzarian Jew who are editors of Wikipedia. Josephus Flavius, the Jewish Historian for the Roman's, who was instrumental in writing the Bible and confusing the timelines, and names of real peoples in biblical history using different languages to name them. So much info about how Rome thought in political terms. And, Rome gave Egyptian icons Roman names.

[@RalphEllis]

The Israelites had man exoduses. The Hyksos exodus, Akhenaton exodus, Aye exodus, Babylonian exodus, Saba exodus, and two exoduses from Jerusalem. They were spread far and wide - hence the Diaspora. I am sure the Ashkenazi Jews were one strand of that. The Spartans were probably another strand (as per the Book of Maccabees). R

[@kendalbrenneman]

I’m listening and have a question (maybe it will be answered…) He says “Paul” might have been promoting Christianity in the 50s, but before, he said he was chasing down a leader of the Jewish revolution in the 60s?

[@RalphEllis]

Yes, that is what Josephus Flavius says. Saul went around the Med as a young man. But in AD 66 he was promoted to become the Jewish Army commander in charge of Galilee, where he spent two years chasing Jesus (of Gamala) around Galilee. He they changed sides and joined the Romans. T

[@jeffreywilliams9299]

I realized as a kid ate mind you I didn't get have a religious upbringing was surrounded by people that did but at eight years old I read the Bible.

[@jacobmolyneux-ln7yc]

Ralph, I salute you and your immense knowledge

[@felicededuyo7999]

Ralph Ellis vindicated Joe Atwill's Caesar's Messiah Flavian Edition. Cleopatra Selene - Mark Anthony & Cleopatra VII daughter made it to King JESUS who was defeated by the Roman Flavians. Brilliant Mr. Ellis. MABUHAY!

[@intermediaryfossil7163]

Yes! Did you notice how comically clever it is how Titus Flavius, after killing the "Jesus" in the sea battle in Wars of the Jews, takes on the identity of that "Jesus" in the Gospels: John 21? It seems there are many that were calling themselves "Jesus" but the real "Jesus"(Savior) had to be Titus Flavius. So in reality, Christians are unwittingly worshipping Tiitus Flavius as the "real Jesus"; the "Lord". What did you think of the chapter The Puzzle of the Empty Tomb?

[@kayew5492]

A lot of what Ralph Ellis is saying here is also covered in Wilson and Blackett's book Moses in the Hieroglyphs, and other works, for example the identification of the Egyptian Hyksos Pharaohs with the Israelites, and the identity of Mary Magdelene as the daughter of Cleopatra and an heiress in her own right. I had not realised the significance of the passage he mentions concerning Joseph and his brothers talking about shepherds and cattle farmers, but in the context of the zodiac it makes perfect sense. However, much of what is currently understood about Ancient Egypt is based on incorrect translations, which has resulted in a huge chronological muddle. Academia, as is their wont, are so wedded to these hasty 19th century theories they refuse to admit that Champillon may have been wrong.

[@RalphEllis]

I wrote about this before Wilson and Blacket came along. And their silver cross of Arthur is a pure forgery. R

[@tomesplin4130]

There’s no doubt that the early stories in the Tanakh are folklore. Folklore usually has some historical basis and is retold to frame a narrative for a particular people or culture. The settling of Semitic peoples over many centuries in southern Egypt is verified historically including the analysis of skeletal remains. The expulsion of these people is likewise attested by history and skeletal remains. Anything more is speculation, however is strikingly parallel to the biblical accounts of the exodus from Egypt. I think that Ralph Ellis draws a long bow beyond this, however it is a good story that sells books…

[@RalphEllis]

“no doubt”..?? Really?? How do you know or prove that? R

[@docsspellingcontest592]

When Ellis says “they” are covering up this information, making it symbolic or changing names, dates, who is he referring to? And why are they covering it up?

[@RalphEllis]

Initially Rome, and then the Catholic Church. Rome did not want people glorifying a rebel who started the Jewish Revolt against Rome. And then the Catholic Church did not want you to know that Jesus was a Warrior Monarch from Edessa. Between the two of them, the history was subtly altered. RE

[@brian4130]

Has anyone heard Ralph critique the Nag Hammadi and the Dead Sea Scrolls?

[@RalphEllis]

I touch on them. But they are largely non- historical. R

[@KeithBujack]

Abel is the first martyr, both chronologically and textually. The murder of Zakarya son of Berekhya is recorded in the later chapters of Chronicles, which is the final book in the Tanakh. Reading the TNK from beginning to end, Zakarya son of Berekhya is the last martyr you will read about. So it is a first-to-last textual progression that Jesus refers to.

[@Matira269]

Ralph Ellis made an interesting point at timeframe 1:23:40 aboutJoseph of Aramatea. The point that he made about Jesus mocking someone with the exact words used in the Talmud in AD 60 is not as strong though, and he uses this as evidence that those words of Jesus would have been spoken later than AD 60. Why could this not also imply that since these same words were added to the Talmud in AD 60, that the Talmud was plagiarising words that had been spoken by Jesus in the 30 's and repeated by his followers?

[@RalphEllis]

The gospels don’t contain one allusion to the AD 60, but a dozen allusions. Especially if you realise that Jesus was Jesus of Gamala, Mary Mag was Mary Boethus (who married Jesus of Gamala), and Josephus was Josephus of Ari-mathaea (Josephus of Matthias). All of these are AD 60s characters. R

[@humbertojimenez3475]

I would love to see Bart Eherman address this theory.

[@RalphEllis]

Bart will not reply. If fact, he seems to be one of the opposers, who wish to delete this theory from history. R

[@eddyj3862]

Could the dates of these stories have been deliberately changed, due to going from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar?????

[@lucasroche8639]

The relocated city of Pi-ramases has been being quietly excevated for some years now in short season time frames (it is also farm land now) and lots of artifacts have been dug up that show it to be a Hebrew city not an Egyptian one. One of the biggest problems for biblical studies is that the bad pharaoh who ruled over them with an Iron fist was one of their own people not an evil Egyptian, there are also political ramifications for the area and the Egyptian government dont want Israel to make claim over the area and potentially lose the Sinai peninsula in any way to Israel, especially violently.

[@willempasterkamp862]

I had a similar experience with wiki, once I was trying to add some stuff at an article about archangel Michael. It contained the usual boring catholic 'correct' stuff, and I was trying to add some things about mithras, marduk, fallen angels, twin-brother Samael, Melchisedek, Walkures. That sort of things I had figured out recently and just felt the need for. Suprise; erased within hours, not once but repeatedly. Just like Trump on twiiter, a kind of policy. Well that was it for me.

[@stevenv6463]

Well did you give credible citations?

[@thomaslynas721]

@@stevenv6463 Wiki has a cheek to ask for such a thing when there is so much rubbish there!

[@saludanite]

Wish there was more on his website.

[@amateurprojects3341]

On his blog, Bart Ehrman offers an answer to the question 'Did Nazareth Exist'? He points to evidence of it's existence during the time of Jesus.

[@gowdsake7103]

It existed AFTER the supposed time not AT

[@amateurprojects3341]

@@gowdsake7103 If you're sure, presenting evidence would make a great contribution to archeological understanding & gospel interpretation. Tempted?

[@gowdsake7103]

@@amateurprojects3341 go for it

[@petermetcalfe6722]

Fascinating stuff. I wonder what Richard Carrier would think of it?

[@jonathonjubb6626]

Not much, I suspect. RE does not have a lot of support from the academics for a good reason..

[@RalphEllis]

Carrier said I was ‘clinically insane’ (as if he has medical qualifications). But when I pointed out that he had made a dozen mistakes in his criticism of me, he deleted me from his site (five times). This academic fool did not even know that Vespasian and Titus had the same names…! He really is a fool. R

[@petermetcalfe6722]

@@RalphEllis It's fine to disagree with someone of course but that was uncalled for and totally unnecessary. I've lost a lot of respect for him after that. You're a fine historian and I enjoy listening to you.

[@onedaya_martian1238]

@@RalphEllis There exist "the Zealots" in every time...the "rabid barking dogs" whose livelihood and reason for living is predicated on their beliefs.

[@ozlemaktas6446]

With this perspective of astrotheology, what is the significance of the book of Revelation? 🤔

[@RalphEllis]

That is a difficult book to parse. The only thing that is obvious is the the Babylonian Whore is Rome. R

[@christianlarson1909]

Maybe I misunderstood somewhere so if anyone has clarifying points or links that would be helpful. But regarding Saul is Josephus. He mentions that Josephis was in charge of some military police of sorts trying to find the leader of the revolt. So how would that then work if he was also coming back from his forst missionary trip as a young teenager? Are we just assuming that the bible stories are copies/retellings of Josephus' accounts or is Ralph saying Josephus himself also wrote much of the new testament as we know it today?

[@cindychristman8708]

I wonder if Ralph has any opinion on the Shroud of Turin or if he's spoken/written about it.

[@RalphEllis]

I don’t write about it, but it looks like a Renaissance forgery. Ralph

[@gowdsake7103]

Its a fake ! Like the 3 tons of original cross or the multiple Jesus’s foreskins. Saint Rosalia’s bones were preserved in a shrine, in a local church, and were celebrated and honoured for hundreds of years. The catch? They weren’t her bones. In 1825, British geologist William Buckland examined the relics and identified the bones as belonging to a goat

[@ianmitchell1509]

This is VERY tenuous, and none of it is new, a series of books by Immanuel Velikovsky (1950) "Worlds in Collision", "Ages in Chaos", "Oedipus and Akhenaton" "Peoples of the Sea" etc contains essentially the same information. He must know this, and yet isn't prepared to acknowledge the work of those who went before him.

[@chrisnewbury3793]

Can you point me to the specific part or parts of Velikovsky's books that discusses Jesus/Izas. It's very possible that Ralph is unfamiliar with Velikovsky, as he was black-balled by the entire establishment.

[@ianmitchell1509]

@@chrisnewbury3793 Velikovsky doesn't discuss the Jesus story in any of his books as far as I know, he deals with ancient Egypt and old testament material as far as I know

[@chrisnewbury3793]

@@ianmitchell1509 he says the Hebrews were the Hyksos, just like Josephus.

[@RalphEllis]

I have never read Velikovski. I was put off by his crustal slip theory, which was clearly wrong. My work comes from original texts, not by copying or imitating previous authors. R

[@chrisnewbury3793]

@@RalphEllis Yet he predicted that Venus would be hot on the surface, against all other "professional" predictions. Everybody is wrong sometimes. It's also true that he confirms much of what you've posited in your work.

[@John-lq7ze]

The reason they aren't mentioned in history is because they never existed in the first place.

[@RalphEllis]

That is one interpretation, but not the correct one. R

[@paulmichael7194]

Tim do you think that the writer of the 2 bears and 42 children intended for the reader to take it as a true event? Even though astrology may have been used, I think of it as a device used to lend authority to the story. This question applies to all passages using astrology.

[@lauraleiburnette2691]

They're is a God, a creator he just isn't confined to books. But he used Sacred Geometry to create the world. He gave us a conscience and spirit and molded us in his image. 🙏

[@bobfire1696]

AMEN!! Laura so TRUE! Man want to play god and thinking they know everything. I wonder where do they think they are going on their last day? There is so much evidence found now Mtn Sinai where the LORD YESHUA is coming back. And Sodom and Gomorrah all as it described in the Word. We are believers in YESHUA not the Catholic jesus or any such nominations that go and do religion :( !

[@jamesduncan3673]

I'm having a helluva time trying to square this with the scholarly consensus -- among both Christian and secular scholars -- that the early proto-Hebrews were, in fact, originally just local hill people and Canaanites. Or that there was never a major influx of people into the land, and that pretty much the entirety of the Pentateuch is etiological myth, having its roots in older myths like the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Enuma Elish. Then there's this insane reliance on Josephus as being 100% reliable, when he is known to have included legendary events in his writings. And so much of this is based just on a couple lines about the relationship to the Hyksos?!?!? Add to that the conspiracy theory vibe, that people don't want to know, or that things were changed deliberately, and this is going downhill fast. I will watch to the end, but at this point -- about 1/2 hour in -- I'm not at all hopeful that I'm going to find this as all convincing. Closing note: Yep, pretty much what I expected.

[@RalphEllis]

It is not just a couple of lines from Josephus. The Hyksos Exodus and Israelite Exodus are identical in all but date. R

[@jamesduncan3673]

@@RalphEllisHow so? The Hyksos were rulers, not slaves. And again, archaeology has shown us "that the early proto-Hebrews were, in fact, originally just local hill people and Canaanites," and "there was never a major influx of people into the land." It is suspected that there may have been a historical core behind the story of the exodus. But at best it might have involved a group from one town or region, of maybe 6,000 people, or even 600. Not 600,000 men, plus women and children.

[@meghannmelendy1418]

This is some of the stuff that led me to my deconstruction! Upon rereading the old Testament it seemed that 1 of the evils they portrayed was astrology... a lot of the things he says make so much more sense of things then anything else I've heard!! Saul being Josephus I haven't heard before... I will look into that one! It took me 3 days to finish this interview bc I didnt want to miss a word Lol!

[@MikePhilbin1966]

As he did such a great job with ANONYMOUS (the story of Shakespeare) I'd love to see Roland Emmerich's version of this Ralph Ellis Egypto-Syriac Krystos as described by Josephus.

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

They do not want to change the obvious narrative

[@Lenergyiskey358]

I'm not finished yet, but I have a clarifying question. Ralph has just said that Jesus of Gamala married of the two sisters, Mary. Everything I can find says he married Martha. Can this be clarified?

[@aimeegrant2856]

He married both

[@Nkosi766]

Did Paul accurately visit places in Athens , that was destroyed about 100 years by the Romans before Paul’s time? How could that be accurate?

[@somniumisdreaming]

Still existed, small city but still there.

[@12flapdoodle]

I am just starting to work my way through Ralph Ellis' books, but have heard many interviews with him. He's a courageous and brilliant scholar and historian and the world owes him a debt of gratitude for bringing the biographical details of Jesus into the light. For me Jesus is the most profound and inspiring spiritual teacher there is. He's like William Wallace, Thomas Jefferson and Gandhi rolled into one, yet far beyond all of them. Ellis is interested in the story of Jesus as a man in the context of his culture rather than interpreting him from a spiritual standpoint, and that gives his work great clarity of focus and integrity as historic scholarship. Knowing the actual details of Jesus' life has blown my mind in some ways (good ones) and in no way diminishes my appreciation for him as a spiritual master. Rather it deepens it. It also makes me better understand the nature and extent of the Church's criminality in suppressing this information and turning Jesus into an asexual, apolitical, fatherless, demi-god. In my opinion, the importance of Ellis' work can't be understated or underappreciated. I am also glad I can get the books as paperbacks, I detest reading on a computer screen!

[@HarmonicAtheist]

Jesus, a profound teacher? Most of what he is quoted as saying is just a copy of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Pythagoras, Plutarch, Philo, etc. And when his character does speak, he calls women dogs and tells people they will burn in Gehenna. And he never says slavery is wrong. He never contradicts the genocides of the OT. Profound? The Jesus character is a monster and a copycat.

[@RalphEllis]

Thanks for the approval. R

[@12flapdoodle]

@@HarmonicAtheist Thanks for your reply, you bring up some points to consider. I think King Izas would have been a very highly educated man, as such he would have synthesized the wisdom of his time, including mystical traditions which is what's most interesting to me. As Ralph Ellis' work well demonstrates there is distortion in the canonized texts. I find it fruitful to read them with both skepticism and inquisitiveness. I think there is truth in them, and there's a lot that's that's twisted in a way I find objectionable. We have a few apocryphal texts to help round out the picture, and hopefully more of those will surface.

[@12flapdoodle]

@@RalphEllis You are most welcome. Big fan of your work and very much looking forward to digging deeper into it!

[@RalphEllis]

P.S. In this scenario Jesus’ father, Abgarus V, was known as the Wise King. R

[@anarsim5926]

All roads lead to Rome, a couple of thousand years ago it was Alexandria

[@oldgittarist]

This would account for the genetic links between King Tut and western European men.

[@RalphEllis]

Yup. Especially the exile of Aueen Scota. See my ‘Scota, Egyptian Queen of the Scots’. R