RAM overclock stability and heat management.

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[@m.streicher8286]

Wanna talk about the gpu cooking stuff? Look at where most motherboards have their nvme slots

[@reav3rtm]

And throw in stock CPU coolers or any CPU air coolers not in push-pull horizontal direction, which, all what they do is pumping hot air down around CPU cooler.

[@sidewinder86ify]

@@reav3rtm nah the 120-140mm fan in the rear sucks the heat out..

[@reav3rtm]

@@sidewinder86ify Not enough. I know, my Asus x570-I Strix is almost being cooked by stock cooler on 3900x paired with 250Watt GPU (in my case 1080ti) under load. Under Linux wifi adapter starts to even throttle when it reaches 80, 85 degrees due to amassed heat around. There must be more than 70 degrees inside the case. I was planning bigger twin 14cm push-pull horizontal cooler anyway, just wanted to see how stock cooler fares, and perhaps it would better with different motherboard, different case (Fractal Nano S) and different GPU. And not under load... Stock cooler pushes air down the motherboard, before it gets out, it hits everything around: nvme, memory, chipset on mini-itx.

[@alienrenders]

My favourite story about this is people on reddit buying a Gigabyte ITX board where they complained that their nvme drive was horribly slow. Well, the nmve drive goes over the chipset. And the video card sits right on top of that. It's a damn furnace. And some people were putting 3900x's in these things where the vrm's had very weak cooling. I dunno. I just laughed.

[@VeritronX]

flash memory wears out faster at colder temps, you want it just cool enough that the controller chip on it doesn't slow down.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

first

[@supa1954]

thank you i was wondering about this:)

[@r3drumg33k3]

Did the human sensor tell you this?

[@sang7873]

Last

[@metl_play]

@@sang7873 now i am last

[@Kashi69h]

Would you recommend watercooling bdie? I already got a custom loop and without a fan bc of the front radiator my ram hits 52c even with fan 45 with 1.37vdimm

[@FeuerToifel]

so basically, when testing memory, put the gpu under load.

[@Meegoue]

Buildzoid be like "I pass memtest but then I start Blender render and crash" Meanwhile in "me" camp - "I pass memtest and bluescreen the moment Windows boots".

[@mleise8292]

So true. From RAM to GPU, it always crashes the first time it gets used after boot, never when in increase the load ^^.

[@mystical4442]

Honestly this vid does present a very compelling argument on watercooling high end cards.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

or open air test benches

[@bryandepaepe5984]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I did both plus a/c cause I'm obsessed with the lowest temps possible.

[@mystical4442]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking That too. Although I think the same could be said about horizontal mobo mount cases, if heat convection is enough to drive the heat away from the memory modules.

[@grantpaterson1016]

Lowest temps i ever had was a Silverstone Grandia GD08...horizontal with a Corsair H100i V2 cooler...awesome older case.

[@wewillrockyou1986]

On modern systems water cooling the GPU usually gives you more extra performance headroom anyway...

[@marcinwojcik6622]

Exactly what happened to my memory OC. perfectly stable 3733mhz until I launched Metro Exodus :p 48.5C perfectly fine, 49C crasheeees ;)

[@NariKims]

Had the same. Pointed fans at my sticks, opened the case and my temps dropped over 20-30C.. lol.

[@AlexandrosGidarakos]

TLDW; You've passed your memtest of choice for stability? Great! Now let a Prime95 Large FFT test run overnight to make sure it's actually stable.

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

@Trap Unicorn Load up as much of prime you can while keeping Furmark chugging along to give your GPU a nice little burn in...

[@AlexandrosGidarakos]

tbh, this is just one of the takeaways here. bz touched on many more interesting points in this video.

[@simoSLJ89]

24:41 that's it for this video - talks for 6 more minutes :D

[@Jfat69]

just play GTA V , you're gonna crash if you can't handle it..... old game, good bench...

[@MarshallSambell]

True, and the engine is super sensitive to unstable OC’s

[@pcbuildfrance]

I'm surprised that 50C is destructible for DDR4 memory. On my X99 system I have 8 x 16 GB Samsung M393A2G40DB1-CRC4Q ECC dual rank D-Die. Idle 35-47C and under load (prime) it can go up to 55-70C depending which stick. I have no issues now. I'm planning to play with it to get better timings. Do you think it's save ? I mean my case has average airflow all other components are cool enough. Is that normal for those sticks ? Is it save to start working on timings with those temps ?

[@PAIN-ot4cj]

I have trident z royals 1.55 volts xmp and they all get around 65 while gaming I spoke to a g skill rep through email he told me that’s absolutely normal. I have never gotten errors

[@wishbone8275]

if you made a pc/gaming podcast i could listen for hour's...steve/gamersnexus and buildzoid podcast :)

[@deminybs]

word

[@urv9795]

Also, Wendell and Ed from Sapphire. That'd be glorious.

[@bogartwilley]

Would be one of few podcasts I care to tune into

[@JuxZeil]

I would be REALLY interested to see someone hook up a good oscilloscope to Zen2's primary temp sensors and find the polling rate and pin-out. 👍😉

[@arabnajjar2330]

Best channel on KZbin , you deserve 1m subscribers

[@loonie5468]

Legit made me rethink my case airflow for the future, thanks for this.

[@DavidSikesII]

Your channel has been above and beyond other resources online. You've gotten yourself several likes and a sub from me. Thank you very much for putting the effort for putting detailed and helpful information all in one place.

[@arjen7024]

if you have B-die, just point a fan straight at it. No ifs, no buts, just strap an 80mm or so fan straight on top of the sticks so that they have direct airflow. There, problem solved.

[@3milio0o95]

Wow, I didn't know system RAM was so sensitive to temperatures. VRAM on Gpu's can easily get twice as hot and still work fine. I remember Kingston used to have water cooled DDR3 RAM called Hyper X h2o. But now days manufacturers seem to be more interested in making flashy RGB RAM than focusing on cooling.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

"But now days manufacturers seem to be more interested in making flashy RGB RAM than focusing on cooling" From what I have observed, Flashy RGB ram tends to have bigger and thicker heatsinks.

[@urv9795]

"It's an ECC stick now" Fucking lost it.

[@slybunda]

hope you managed to find it.

[@teddygoboom1]

Cool idea. You should make a series or something xplaining how all this stuff works

[@slybunda]

most ram has operating temperature specced at up to 75c. so why would 50c be a issue?

[@BringTheSteak]

Overclocking pushes the limits, more sensative to temp.

[@Ironclad17]

An important lesson on airflow. Learned it the hardway about a year ago.

[@DjordjeNedic]

Does registered ECC memory still get memory corruption from overclocking? What are the symptoms of unstable registered ECC memory?

[@MarshallSambell]

Ђорђе Недић try a bunch of memory benchmarks or memory intensive benchmarks and you’ll get a worse score - similar to overclocking GPU memory

[@waatup]

I'm gonna try some b die rdimm overclocking on asrock X299 soon, and I have waterblocks and heat sinks ready to go :)

[@UNDERGROUNDHITRADIO]

got a Arctic F12 80mm sitting on a hose from my AiO pointing at 3933C14 1,60v

[@khalidalotaibi9013]

if i vertical mount the gpu will it Prevents the gpu from heating up the ram ??

[@Robert-Wip]

Just tried this out on my own system, just to get somewhat of an idea how much power it's using when i am watching this video, turns out, ~150 Watt's total. CPU: AMD 3900X RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB @3600Mhz CL16 - 4x 8GB modules Mobo: Gigabyte X570 Aorus PRO (Non WiFi) GPU: An almost antiek EVGA GTX 760, LoL no joke (But then again, i'am not a gamer, and it is going to be replaced not to long from now with a much newer one, so for now i don't realy care)

[@itstheweirdguy]

What are we supposed to do then? Have a bunch of fans in front and back so we are sure we're getting good air pressure? Do we need to watercool everything? What gives? Can GPU manufacturers do better? Can you please post a "RAM STABILITY" video some day? Like, how do you know it's stable FOR SURE. Is it possible to know FOR SURE, etc etc. For me there's always at least one thing that isn't right when OC'ed.....maybe it's just me. I could pass TM5 hours on end, memtesthelper hours on end (over 2000% on all threads 12+hr), anything in windows, except prime95 800K-800K which resulted in a poweroff! I stopped there....I've always been safe with very minor tweaks in memory timing, like correcting wrongly detected values like CR and other XMP values, and i'm running at XMP and I'm totally stable and happy.

[@rusTORK]

That's why i want to mount my GPU horizontally with fans look down. I have got case, HAF XB Evo (from Cooler Master), but i can't find proper bracket, look's like it's not exist and i have to make it by myself. Yeah, i also need PCI Express riser, but it's smallest problem...

[@thesoulexpressshow1370]

Hey Buildzoid! As usual thanks a lot for the video. I am still using x99 and enjoying it a lot with a 5960x. What ram is the end game for this platform? I have a Gigabyte X99 Ultra Gaming. Since I wont be upgrading my x99 probably until ddr5 (and not even right away due to new ddr usualy being crap for at least a few months) i want to squeeze all I can from this mobo. Thus why I ask the one and only king to let me know what in your opinion is the best Ram for x99? Big thanks in advance.

[@TheBigBlueMarble]

My RAM temp can hit 80C during gaming. That is in a case with really good airflow, AIO on the CPU, and a 5700XT GPU. RAM is not OC, running at 3200. I even undervolted the RAM a bit (1.35V). GPU temp is well controlled at about 50C...maybe 60C Junction Temp.

[@peterjansen4826]

I suspect that heat might be my problem with RAM-overclocking, the system is stable up to 3666 MT/s when I run Memtest86 (2 times 4 passes with no error), and I can use my system for light tasks or only CPU-intensive tasks 24/7 without any crash, yet my system crashes with certain games within 15 minutes. I had to lower the RAM clock frequency to 3400/2 MHz to get it fully stable.I use a Fractal S with stock fans, a D15 for the CPU and RAM with Samsung B dies. I consider to put a second front-intake fan, one full on the graphics card and one full on the RAM.

[@peterjansen4826]

@UCYm0trd8r08vgZCrBmdVRvg If I get no error in 2 times 4 passes of Memtest86 then the memory should be stable or at least suffiiciently stable to rarely ever get a crash in games due to memory instability as long as heat is not a problem, as far as I understand. I only use Memtest86 to test stability of my memory. I have two modules of 16 GB (so dual rank) of Corsair Vengeance LPX, rated at 3333 MT/s and CL=16..

[@qpwoeiruty668]

Try using TestMem5 with anta777's config, it finds errors memtest86 misses very easily. If you can get errors with testmem5 in the 3666 config, you can tell it's unstable for sure.

[@peterjansen4826]

@Nuno Gomes I have that second fan which comes with the D15 but at the moment I can't plug it in, I don't have a suitable splitter. My motherboard has 2 case-fan connectors and 2 PWM-connectors of which one is for watercooling (not sure what that means).

[@peterjansen4826]

@@qpwoeiruty668 It is possible that Memtets86 misses some errors but would it cause frequent crashes with a game - Rainbow Six Siege - which is not that heavy on the memory?

[@micbsounds]

@@peterjansen4826 Nuno is right....your motherboard manual should confirm if the PWM connector for water cooling is a fan connector for an AIO water cooler. It is fine to connect a second CPU fan to it. Alternately you could buy a 4 pin PWM fan splitter cable from Noctua if you want to run both CPU cooler fans from a single PWM controlled motherboard header.

[@benchosei9878]

What about being stable under hci memtest 1000%, gaming and all type of different loads etc... turn off the pc, and not being stable on a cold boot the next day?

[@deadbatt9321]

Also you might not have any overheating issues but if you have 4 sticks, PCIE 4 graphics card and an NVME you might also overwhelm the SOC if its starved for voltage. This can happen if you have a stable system and then introduce more ram sticks, NVME or a new graphics card to the mix.

[@diocap]

I'm pretty sure when overclocking becomes more popular you will gain a lot of subs and watch ur vids . just like me ... keep it up in 2020.

[@bobhumplick4213]

this is why i warm up the case with furmark and even run furmark at the same time as my memory test. but yes i came to this same conclusion a long time ago especially with my little mini 1070 ti which gets pretty hot. plus if the car gets hot a lot of that probably transfers over the slot to the board and then to ram as well. side panel fans help a lot. i need to test side panel fans exhaust vs intake. everybody says intake but i think either front fans as exhaust and side as intake or front as intake and side as exhaust makes more sense. why would having all that intake be better? has to mess with air flow right? anyway, had to replace the optical 5.25 bay with a hand cut plastic panel and cut it out for a fan because i have an old case design that i keep using. why spend money on cases right? so my only front fan was the bottom one. this has helped a lot. have the z390 aorus pro and it has ambient sensors. nothing goes above mid 40's c and theres a lot of sensors. but i have fans EVERYWHERE. my mini card gets so loud with its fan speeds that i just let the other fans ramp up to 1000rpm or so, why not? i wont hear it over the gpu anyway all this is why i just bought 3200 14-14-14 and ran it at 3600 16-16-16. all this finickyness (a word?) combined with the aorus pro's mediocre memory oc'ing means its not worth it for a 24\7 machine. if i really want a bit more ill just get another matching kit and go for dual rank. might have to bump voltage but not much. its not worth it for a normal machine. a bit more would be fine if the board supported it but wont make a big difference. has anybody tried front fans as exhaust and side panel as intake (also rear as intake too i guess?)? how did it work? edit: BZ mentions this in the vid. will draw hot air over the ram sticks. but i dont think that would really be a problem for me

[@anasevi9456]

thank you buildzoid, i have no idea where corsair sourced the cheap DDR4 in one of my off builds but stability became trash once the gpu and cpu came into play until i placed a small fan on the ram.... despite as you said; memtest dumping it with many instances. Gonna blame the 3080ti for that. A 4 year belated thanks for saving me from self-committing to the looney bin.

[@fredEVOIX]

finally someone talking about the elephant in the room, that damn gpu backplate cooking your components and making all top mounted cpu radiator stupid (I have one because my current case can only have it there no space at the front) I have corsair vengeance pro rgb that have temp sensors I honestly never saw the memory go above 50°C but I have good airflow, the ideal tough is to have either a front mounted radiator or even cool the cpu with the bottom radiator nothing should be above your gpu backplate except fans exhausting air

[@grantpaterson1016]

Just ordered a Asus Tuf X570 for £163 based on your recommendation, cant wait to run it in..thanks :)

[@brovid-19]

14-16-16-32 3600mhz 4x8 I need 1.45v and they get over 51c when gaming

[@renchesandsords]

"500W is doable on air cooling" Nvidia: "well alright then..."

[@enioapolinario8538]

Top 5 best tech channel So much info ❤

[@czaknoriz8004]

I just OCed my mem sticks to 4133Mhz 17-17-17-37 (GSkill Trident Z) Rock stable on daily tasks and memtest, BSOD on gaming with SLI. You probably solved my problem. Better air flow near sticks or lower freq on them. Thanks :)

[@musicsouth2033]

Was that from 3600 ram pal

[@czaknoriz8004]

@@musicsouth2033 Those sticks are GSkill F4-4266C19-8GTZR. Their XMP profile is 4266 Mhz 19-19-19-39 on 1,4V but xmp profile isnt working on my z390 aorus master because these sticks arent on QVL list for this board. So i tried to manually oc these sticks. 4133 17-17-17-37 on 1,45V is my final stable result. I made two runs in memtest. Zero errors.

[@Mamamia702]

Just a question not regarding the video. I bought new RAM (Patriot Viper 4 Blackout Series 16GB KIT DDR4 3600MHz CL17 2x8GB) which IS NOT supported officialy by my mobo (MSI B350 Gaming Plus + Ryzen 2600) and it wont post. From what I read the RAM usually works it just isnt stable at higher clocks etc. but should work. I tried both stick invidually in each slot and to no avail, while old RAM works just fine. My question is how likely are both sticks defective. Could clearing CMOS help?

[@evocatiproductions]

The reason why the sticks won't work, isn't strictly because they haven't been approved by MSI, but its related. When you put a stick of Ram into your Motherboard, if it is on the QVL List, this means not only has the Memory Kit been tested, but the Motherboard Vendor has actually set Auto Timings for your Kit that will work with your kit. If it is not on the QVL, then the Auto Timings it is drawing on could be timings that just plain won't work for your specific kit. What you want to do to get the kit to work is go through and set every single Timing, Sub Timing, and Tertiary timing manually, as well as all Terminations and Voltages Manually, then you will boot just fine. For most people that is way too much work, in that case buying a Kit that is on the QVL is better suited for that type of user.

[@tietosanakirja]

Wow! I did not expect this. This might explain some of my problems!

[@techfusionaz2496]

so how do you stress the GPU and RAM? I'm having this same concern the GPU will cook my B-die RAM but i can't figure out a way of memtesting the RAM while simultaneously ramping up GPU power and heat. (basically the CPU is bottlenecking the GPU)

[@BringTheSteak]

Furmark and a memory stress test at the same time.

[@cr0w_]

One more thing you might want to add which might be limited to HEDT systems only is the heat output from the VRM's. On my X299 system, I found that the small fans on my VRM would push the heat into the surrounding area causing the RAM temperature to rise.

[@NathanOakley1980]

Can you do this for ddr5?

[@bigcazza5260]

in conclusion take your peak mhz from memtest and drop 1 step for all core all day load

[@chomper720]

First hand experience with this happening... UwU

[@WrexBF]

I have a garbage tier B-die G.skill 3000 MHz CL16 kit (16-18-18-18-38). There are two XMP profiles on the RAM, profile 1 is 2666MHz and profile 2 is 2933MHz (both at those timings). I had the kit overclocked to 3200MHz at 1.4V with XMP timings and it passed multiple Memtest runs with no errors but sometimes I get a bluescreen on cold boot. Today I wanted to stabilize the OC so, I went into the BIOS and started by setting all the RAM settings back to default except the XMP Profile and the voltage (XMP profile 2 at 1.4V). After I rebooted the PC, the XMP timings went down to 15-15-15-15-36. I'm not complaining, but seriously WTF!!! Does increasing only the voltage affect the default XMP timings?

[@frostis8052]

Ram name?

[@WrexBF]

F4-3000C16D-16GISB

[@walk3rshyper314]

Would you run Samsung B-die at something like 1.50 volts on the DRAM using a motherboard like the MSI MEG godlike Z390? of course it would be for daily usage.

[@walk3rshyper314]

I'm worried about degrading the memory controller, the CPUs IMC, it's a coffee lake i7 9700k.

[@m.streicher8286]

@@walk3rshyper314 the mem voltage doesn't effect the IMC, that's SOC voltage.

[@walk3rshyper314]

@@m.streicher8286 Oh okay, that's good to know, so 1.50 volts on the DRAM should be fine? and your saying that SOC voltage would affect the IMC? that's system agent voltage right? what about VCCIO? Does that affect the IMC too?

[@makingPAIN]

..... I feel like this is a direct response to my conversation in the comments on your video yesterday lol

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

except this video was shot in november

[@evocatiproductions]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking ...Burn

[@frostis8052]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking You just cooked him

[@makingPAIN]

Lol obviously it wasn’t. He didn’t even comment on my comment yesterday. I was being facetious because of the similarities. But I will accept the burn.. great content man. I have been learning a lot about memory oc lately.

[@teazqt812]

Core P5 and great ambient temps and room airflow. Not a mem error since.

[@BRUXXUS]

Well, this explains a lot! Finally going to add an intake fan to help cool my memory. :)

[@thetrashman5252]

Not sure if achieving 3672mhz (3600mhz with 102mhz BCLK) with cl 16-19-16-38-60 1T at 1.43v dram and 0.715v termination is good on my 2*8GB kit of single rank micron E-die on my 2700x at 1.05v SOC voltage.

[@deminybs]

I've rarely had success with bumping the base clock + other overclocks , 1.43v on ram seems high.

[@evocatiproductions]

@@deminybs 1.43v is completely reasonable for an Overclock. As long as you are able to keep your Sticks cool, even 1.5v is completely fine.

[@teddygoboom1]

That sounds pretty damn impressive for a zen+ part

[@evocatiproductions]

@@teddygoboom1 Yeah it does... I just realized he said 2700x. Most I got with B Die on my 2700x was 3600, and that wasn't completely stable, 3466 was my most consistent and stable result, and that was a b**ch

[@XX-121]

3600 is perfect for ryzen. e-die for the win!!!!

[@tresor139]

Why mainboards aren't designed with the heat flow in mind, the hotest elements at the top, coolest at the bottom - e.g. pciex slots at the top of mb, then cpu and memory at the bottom.

[@vladvah77]

Because they don't care if we fry our components because of bad design + bad airflow, they actually WANT us to upgrade our machines - yearly if possible :P

[@tresor139]

@walentaz good to know, thanks

[@GreatMossWater]

There was the BTX form factor for motherboards that took heat into consideration.

[@jakefoster8308]

While stress testing my ITX case is 61c ambient around the ram. RAM peaks at 66c. My AIO is side mounted as an intake blowing up to 220watts from the CPU at the motherbaord. LOL. I could swap it to exhaust but then it pulls heat from the 3090 to cool the CPU with. 3733CL14 is stable. Never been able to get over 1866fclk 100% stable, so I don't really need faster ram speed.

[@JOJO_JB]

any possible fixes for this issue i cant keep my ram cool or oc

[@AndresReviews]

What about pcie risers? They can solve 500W GPU issues by putting the card vertically. The only problem is risers introduce performance penalties.

[@ppp3435]

I believe it's something that is happening inside my PC. I have ~150 W Polaris RX 570, R5 1600 4 GHz and 2x8 Ballistix AES. When I overclocked and tested them they did 3400 MHz CL14. However when gaming, they caused blue screens at 3400 CL14 and 3200 CL14. 3200 CL16 works fine, but let's be honest it kinda sucks. Now I'm testing 3400 MHz CL16. I can't go higher becouse of shitty IMC, but probably becouse of heat CL14 I also consider as unstable. Scythe Infinity sits on my CPU and it has to be mounted vertical, and my front air intake is also low, so everything figures. The only difference, I have one 14 cm low RPM fan on side panel and I was shocked how great difference it makes at first.

[@Kebabbug]

explain why bfv is so unstable

[@wandalizatorka356]

I had this issue with my new PC running on 4400mhz, first I was blaming my GPU for crashes then I blamed PSU and the last thing was the ram... but I noticed that when I open the PC case then there is no crashes anymore... I was undervolting the GPU and got less crashes then i was wasting more and more time until i put the gpu to other PC and tested there 3 hours without crashes. I removed xmp and cpu oc on my main pc and finally got rid of crashes, then tried xmp 4000mhz and seems no crashes anymore. Damn rtx 3080 gives a lot of heat.

[@kajurn791]

That's me yesterday. I had gotten some garbage bin aliexpress Samsung memory on Zen+ 500% memtest stable at 3400mhz 1.4v with a fan on the top helping the airflow around it, decided it was too noisy at idle and changed that fan's curve and bam, got several bluescreens while just watching youtube. Memory overclocking is hard.

[@MStein01]

Do these GPU heat based errors appear fast? I had my 4x8 GB RAM running fine with 3733 MHz in my Ryzen 3000 system for more than a week and suddendly got several crashes in a row. Changed to 3600 MHz and no problems anymore.

[@polycon4686]

Just ziptie the 120/140mm fan at front of the RAM sticks did reduced mine 4-slot temperature from about 60C to 35-40C

[@dans79vet]

I have Hynix memory. Corsair Lpx 3000 kit. System is 2600x on b450 mortar titanium. Memory fails on anything above 3066, is it my settings or memory/hardware limit?

[@Lloyd.B.]

I just found these things but they don't make them any more: "Xilence Heatpipe RAM Cooler" Looks like a good design.

[@nathangamble125]

Nvidia RTX 3000 FE cards blow hot air directly at the RAM. I suppose this could potentially cause problems?

[@hovant6666]

4:15 sys_check_exception iirc, I was getting it a lot when I was being brain-dead and using 4 sticks on a daisy-chain board that weren't on the QVL. I switched to the 2x8GB Patriot Viper Steel 4400mhz cl19 kit you recommended and that issue has never occurred again.

[@JMUDoc]

This is why I use ASUS Realbench as the final arbiter of stability - it hammers everything (CPU, RAM, and GPU). If had systems pass everything _but_ Realbench, including Memtest.

[@MarkoHR]

What when I have Short PCB card with long cooler that blows air through the heatsink completely, example RX Vega 56 Red Dragon, or Sapphire Pulse, they are both Nano PCB

[@GarryHuta]

What about ITX boards with downward firing CPU cooler on a Ryzen Mobo? Will the memory sticks be the first to fail?

[@thaNZdon]

If my cpu 10900k cores are sub 70c and my ram sticks are being actively cooled and I'm still getting memory related errors, I'm assuming it's the IMC getting to hot, is there a way to reduce the temperature of that component?

[@lukespowerhouse]

Vertical motherboard mounted cases are just stupid. Get a HAF XB and all of these problems go away.

[@JuxZeil]

Memory heat management!?! Koolance RAM-33 blocks do mine.....but I'm running out of sources. 😥

[@NeoVoodooTech]

Water cooled backplate with card length thermal pad or paste? Stupid or viable?

[@imadecoy.]

Or you could have the problem I was having yesterday... The heat spreader falling off my Patriot Viper Steel because they never secured the thermal pad to the ICs properly. Edit: turns out that kit is the good one. I purchased a matching set and it was just a bad kit. Occasional errors even at 2133 default BIOS settings.

[@Koeras16]

Reminds me of HBM2. My Vega64 is technically stable at 1150 MHz just fine, though when HBM2 hits over 72 degrees, i start to get artefacts, at 75 degrees, anything will just crash. Anything above the drivers will usually crash.

[@localguide5471]

Would a top intake fans help?

[@zsi]

Thank you so much for discussing this! For over a year I could not figure out why my system would crash while gaming but be stable any other time. After watching this video, I started collecting sensor data from all components, including RAM, looked for ways to reproduce the crashing, and looked for correlations between time of crash and sensor data. From your video I focused my attention on RAM temps. Turns out that once my RAM hits 60C, it'll BSOD or go black screen. Knowing this, I could reproduce the crashes and found that simply placing a fan in front of ny RAM stopped the crashes and be stable up to 55C. I always thought RAM could work up to 85C based on things I read on forums. I think there is a knowledge gap out among most PC builders where most of them only focus only on GPU or CPU temperatures and troubleshoot by RMAing those, their PSU, or Motherboards. Or, they will RMA their RAM only to get the same crashes again, back to square one and think there is a weird compatibility issue with their components when the truth is the only problem they have is a mismatch between what is acceptable in reality and what they think is acceptable based.. I think there needs to be more awareness around RAM stability at different temperatures, that a GPU can be fine at 80-100C, but RAM is happiest up to 45C or so. Hope to see more videos about this in the future!

[@borealeone]

I always laught at people doing 24-hour TM5 runs for 'stability' and then getting crashes in games after 15 mins of GPU running. They still don't get it and do even longer tests that bear no resemblance to the actual reality

[@altynspiryt1039]

Luckily I have a blower gpu so most of ~200W of heat are going outside of case instead warming dram an cpu.

[@b1lleman]

Quite funny that this video comes up right now, after I bought those 2x8 B-Die dimm for fun testing and noticed I needed to put lower clocks when temps > 50 C. Hynix CJR doesn't seem to mind as much so I'm considering removing the B-Dies since single-rank , even b-die, doesn't cut it to dual-rank CJR.

[@neikory]

BTW, would you recommend a RAM cooler of some sort when overclocking Bdie? I'm not so sure if it would help given the fact that the GPU will be throwing some of it hot air into it. thanks in advance.

[@Daxter250]

huh, i have a ryzen 5 3600x and during gaming or idle it just runs at around 50 to 55 with its stock cooler. in cinebench, where all cores are used, it runs at 80 degrees (and i bet, with a good cooler you could get it down to 75 or so). isn't 90 degrees a bit high for a cpu?

[@vladvah77]

It kinda is, looks like that AMD's 7 nm node is very HOT :P

[@adithyapillai4259]

I'm running my Kingston HyperX Fury DDR4 2400mhz at 3000mhz with XMP. Haven't changed any timings or whatsoever Is this safe? Or should I lower it down??

[@adithyapillai4259]

@walentaz It works better than before with the overclock, haven't checked the voltage tho. Thank you anyways.

[@juliano_1996]

That explains a lot. My GPU hit temp limit of 82C, not even going to try push my RAM to 3533.

[@Ph42oN]

For that reason, as memtest stable memory can crash very fast in actual use, i decided its worthless to do long memory testing. I just do quick one and then go test different things. I feel like that for me its actually caused by lower temperature than in memtest, because my memory actually never gets as hot as in memtest in other uses. Also i have been able to get settings that give errors very early in memtest, but once memory heats up errors stop. I don't know for sure but this could be due to asus prime x370 pro being really crap in memory overclocking. I thought that maybe i should try memory watercooling as i feel like memory on my system is very sensitive to temperatures, but then i just got triple 40mm fans to cool memory, but im not even sure if that helped memory overclocking, at least it got cooler.

[@RistoKappet]

Inverted motherboard and rear intake FTW (Bitfenix Prodigy M)

[@chincemagnet]

I’ve actually had issues with crashing due to this old G Skill memory cooler, I got it off of a triple channel Trident X kit for x58 I still use, the fans bearings are kinda in rough shape so the fans vibrate for a couple minutes until they warm up and it sometimes causes the system to crash. It took months before I made the connection. Random freezing on a cold startup that was completely unpredictable and unreplicateable. It always boots on the second attempt and stays stable lol

[@hobbytoanything]

2020 will consider of ram cooling solution especially with ryzen high end set overclocking.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Back to the old way of elaborate RAM coolers. Actually got a build with a fan strapped to the memory, just in case.

[@DanteIsAwake]

I'm having problems with this right now, with a 3960x at stock, one side of the memory sticks is about 10-15c hotter than the other, it will error out and crash apps when I'm running cpu rendering and gpu load gaming at the same time. Irql not less or equal 90% of the time. Put fans to push air onto the ram sticks but there is still a delta on one of the sticks.. Bitch to fix

[@DanteIsAwake]

Also, is it confirmed a mem stability problem when the system becomes stuttery with the cpu load > 80% + hot air around mem

[@keubis2132]

my ryzen 5 1600 is 100w or so my hwi info says a 9900k has much more than that im sure. Having 7nm amd cpu makes my 250w cooler seem like a waste of money goddamn it amd why cant you go back to 22nm like intel does. lmao

[@deminybs]

Damn lol, my 3600 pulls around 84w under load and my 3900x pulls over 150w xD , with a dark rock pro 4 temps while gaming are usually mid to high 40's with high 50's spikes

[@Fastsim]

Fan pushing or pulling air above the ram? what's the most useful?

[@chincemagnet]

Is there a reliable way to monitor memory temperatures? Do memory sticks have temperature sensors on board?

[@sealx2292]

the funny thing is that the "bad" b-die bins should scale better with low temperature, if the instability issue is caused by the semiconductor itself

[@RAW_Reality]

Better RAM? 16-16-16-36 @ DDR4-3600 or 14-14-14-34 @ DDR4-3200

[@XX-121]

if you are on ryzen go w/ 3600

[@akahelly7429]

The difference is marginal with the listed timings

[@SebastienBrunier]

true latency of the 3200c14 kit is slightly better, so I'd say 3200c14 will run any day 3600c16, I run my 3200c14 kit at 3666c14 on Ryzen 3700X, so did I with my former 2700X (use 1usmus Ryzen Timing calculator), like trance dj said, running 3600 is almost a must, it improves c2c communications (infinity fabric clock speed)

[@lifemocker85]

Not really any difference

[@LordGurciullo]

Yo Buildzoid! I watched your overclocking ram video on the master a few times and I managed to get 4133 17 17 17 34 450 trfc .... it seems to be working. I'm at 5giga 1.345 volts / high loadline, 1.44 ram voltage 1.2 vcc / vsa ............. Does this sound normal? Is it ok? Seems to be working.... I wish you were here to talk about it in person and you could teach me even more dude!

[@LordGurciullo]

oh and I'm getting 96 degrees on a 12/12 custom Prime 95 avx off.... Noctua dh15.... Does any of this sound normal.... lol...

[@bigcazza5260]

not even 30 minutes, but i have some constructive input, all consumer cpus/gpus use flip chip designs so generally closer to the pcb is hotter like you said, however i have a vertical mounted gpu and use a desk fan (big one) aimed at an open side panel (so i can see my rig) and ive had instability in games as opposed to in memtest. my belief is that the memory controller itself is surrounded by more heat while gaming hence throwing off stability. 10 bucks says this gets covered in the rest of the vid

[@bigcazza5260]

it does lol