US Subs were bad at the start because of bad torpedoes, when that thing got fixed, they were dropping like 3 pointers like Steph Curry
@PAT8888-is2pd5 ай бұрын
The US subs were not bad. The mark 14 torpedoes (at the beginning of the war) were garbage. They were tested with concrete warhead substitutes, which due to weight differences caused both depth and direction calibration to be completely off with the actual warhead and the detonator was never properly tested and didn't work.
@corkidruid66822 ай бұрын
One thing to note is that the US Subs were a lot larger and was build as "Fleet Subs" and not intended to be used to attach merchant ships. The Training and doctrine at the time reflected that. only later in the war they were used the same way Germany used Subs
@egregastandindus11935 ай бұрын
~8:30 Jack’s stepdad isn’t exactly wrong. The torpedoes used by the US submarines for awhile were super shit. A naval historian on KZbin, Drachinifel, has a fantastic video about the Mark 14s (the aforementioned shit torpedos) called “Failure is Like Onions”. In short, everything was bad about the Mark 14s. They were only tested in one location and because testing was “too expensive” the Bureau of Ordinance decided not to do any tests with the warheads in, using dummy warheads instead. Then the magnetic field in the Pacific was different from where the Mark 14s were tested, so the torpedos ran deep, prematurely exploded, simply didn’t explode, and sometimes even circled around to hit the sub.
@Seafish845 ай бұрын
Drachinifel also has a multipart series on the entire Pacific submarine campaign that goes into great depth on how bad the conditions were for the poor souls who were fighting in those boats had it. It is well worth the nearly 3 hours in total.
@Demonslayer201115 ай бұрын
I can not stress enough how good drachnifels videos are. Yeah they are drier, long, and more of a history lecture than entertainment, but sometimes that is just what you need.
@egregastandindus11935 ай бұрын
@@Demonslayer20111 absolutely, sometimes I just put one on as a podcast.
@LWolf122 ай бұрын
@@Demonslayer20111 Love his videos, I've watched almost all of em so far, though I do need to take the time to catch up again, plus there are a lot of boat videos I need to catch up on. They are a bit dry, but he does add a bit of humor from time to time. Also love how he recognizes every soul lost, if it was a battle video.
@harryhutcherson71773 ай бұрын
My grandfather was 16 but big for his age when he signed up at "18". He was proud to brag that was the only law he ever broke on purpose lol. Truly a wonderful man from a wonderful generation. I miss him everyday. RIP First Sargent Lloyd Q. Trent, US Army (retired)
@martok12545 ай бұрын
Hi. Ships are defined as vessels capable of conducting a trans-Atlantic voyage on their own (London to New York City), and boats are vessels that can not. Now, while modern nuclear submarines can now make such a voyage on their own, they are traditionally referred to as boats.
@Judgement_Kazzy5 ай бұрын
By that metric, there are kayaks that qualify as ships.
@carbonwolf38655 ай бұрын
@@Judgement_Kazzy yeah... the definition isnt exactly concrete
@brandondaway15 ай бұрын
@@carbonwolf3865 But we have a concrete definition. ppl just don't want to use it for some reason.
@zacksilverstone76425 ай бұрын
@@brandondaway1 like the americans and their measuring method? 😂😂😂
@brandondaway15 ай бұрын
@@zacksilverstone7642 What?
@marinekid135 ай бұрын
Also. "The obese power ranger" also covered the real story of war daddy recently. The most gangster tank commander. Edit: spelling and adding the title of the video.
@carbonwolf38655 ай бұрын
the man who inspired the movie Fury
@marinekid135 ай бұрын
@@carbonwolf3865 yeah that guy.
@JoMiMi_h5 ай бұрын
6:00 About that... TFE made a video about the real War Daddy.
@susanwahl63225 ай бұрын
And it was a great video!
@robashley82165 ай бұрын
The channel drachenfel does a great video about the Mk14 torpedo and how absolutely useless it was and how incompetent US Navy leadership was at addressing the issue
@facubeitches11445 ай бұрын
The Mark 14 was so bad that there was an instance where a US sub hit a Japanese freighter with 13 to 15 torpedoes, none of which exploded. However, when the design was finally fixed, the Mark 14 turned out to be very good and pulled off some successes that were as ridiculously good as its earlier failures were bad.
@susanwahl63225 ай бұрын
I did see a documentary where a submarine captain took a Mark 14, hauled it up by it’s tail, and dropped it on its nose. It went boink.
@briandstephmoore49105 ай бұрын
Whole crew was on demon time
@marinekid135 ай бұрын
All ships are boats but not all boats are ships.
@LWolf122 ай бұрын
The one he did on the uboat sunk by its captain using the toilet is really funny.
@brandondaway15 ай бұрын
The whole boat vs. ship thing is relatively easy, actually. Taking into account that submarines are boats but can carry boats, the entire ship can carry a boat, but a boat can't, this is not the determining factor. The key to understanding the difference is in how they behave in a turn. Ships lean to the outside of the turn while boats lean into it. This is due to the difference between the Hull Force and the Rudder Force. Now, people may bring up Hydroplane Race boats and how they turn flat without leaning; however, this is due to extra control paddles countering the rudder force to force the boat to plane flat even while turning. So their design still produces more rudder force than hull force, making them lean into a turn naturally. The same is true for submarines, which also want to lean into a turn naturally, but their helmsmen will counteract the rolling force with the hydroplanes to keep the submarine level throughout the turn.
@wampumscout5 ай бұрын
If I'm not mistaken, you can tell the difference when they turn. When it turns, if it turns inward when they do it's considered a boat. But if they turn and it leans to the outside it's considered a ship.
@LWolf122 ай бұрын
Loved those old "real men of genius" commercials, an I don't even drink.
@reecedignan83655 ай бұрын
6:12 ^looks at Fat Electricians video on most gangster tank commander^ uh-huh… well it shall be interesting to see your reaction to that name re-appear in a proper fashion soon.
@kondomonster2 ай бұрын
When I was in the Navy recall any ship doesn't really matter what the size is we called them both. It can be a little tiny little dingy to 15 huge aircraft carrier, we called them boats.
@tetrispeople5 ай бұрын
The Fat electrician actually has a vid on "War Daddy", and it a tale that everyone needs to hear. Hope you'll have a blast with "operation Praying Mantis" episode, and catch up with how "proportional" America can get.
@rg203224 ай бұрын
Excellent commentary and love this channel!
@MythicXanderАй бұрын
@TheChillzoneX Hi there Jack. when turning, boats lean inward and ships outward. you can easily diferentiate that way
@smithymcsmith82275 ай бұрын
Excellent commentary. I loved this one.
@demonblood89645 ай бұрын
Drachinifel has a video called The Mark 14 Torpedo - Failure is Like Onions that goes into detail the issues with the Mark 14 during WW2 its a good watch.
@buckeyegirl165 ай бұрын
Now u need to do his new War Daddy video since u have seen Fury, lol
@rg203224 ай бұрын
BTW - there is a real tank team based on Fury. Obviously, the movie is a bit dramatic, but they were bad A**
@theminerwithin93164 ай бұрын
Don't you mean that Fury was based on?
@chrisbacon30715 ай бұрын
1:15 subs are referred to boats because ships usually aren’t supposed to be under the water, and for what’s a ship and boat the Royal Navy goes off of if it has more than 3 decks it’s a ship. (Or well at least it’s what my farther goes off of, he was in the Royal Navy) Edit: drachinifel has done an amazing video on the mk14 I recommend you watch it.
@LWolf122 ай бұрын
The only rule I know about regarding boats & ships is that a submarine is always a boat because it goes underwater. I don't know why that's a thing, but apparently that's a thing.
@RFTL5 ай бұрын
The torpedos. Run too deep. Prematurely explodet. Failed to explode. And veered out[ of course (sometimes hitting the subs it was launched from).
@jehoiakimelidoronila54505 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly, the general rule of thumb in distinguishing ships and boats is: *if the vessel is turning & leans towards the turn (turns left, it leans left like bikes and motorcycles do, for example), it's a "boat". If it's leaning away from the turn (turns left but leans right), it's a "ship"* Source: Not What You Think, KZbin
@ATippePodcast5 ай бұрын
Yeah. The torpedo comment. I think your thinking of the aerial torpedos where American torps commonly dive to deep and didn’t resurface
@clwilliams9276Ай бұрын
I think u should react to the fat electrician's vid titled The Limping Lady - Deadliest Spy of WW2 - Virginia Hall. Its a great story imo n if u already know about her, u could probably use it as a chance to educate/just talk about it cuz its a really great one.
@rtbkbulliesandpitbulls17144 ай бұрын
Awsome reaction! Since you mentioned war daddy you gotta do that one next! Maybe you did it already but if you haven't that's 1 we would love your reaction to.
@Cody38Super5 ай бұрын
Lafayette Green Poole..Texas boy....was the real WAR DADDY....and his name was "WAR DADDY" and his Sherman was "In The Mood"....REAL MAN, REAL CREW, MORE BAD ASS THAN THE MOVIE....TFE did a show on it recently....GO WATCH IT
@djj96754 ай бұрын
Hell yes, the movie was ok should have been better
@skrawny-clown-snatcherofth86515 ай бұрын
15:00 hell the medical technology and knowledge that came from the American civil war threw the Spanish American and the 1st WW was a ton of giant jumps
@shewanttheducky4955 ай бұрын
DON'T TOUCH MY FUCKING BOATS.
@susanwahl63225 ай бұрын
My uncle, who was in the Navy, told me…you can put a boat on a ship, but you can’t put a ship on a boat. The only thing that doesn’t count is a submarine.
@user-je2vy4hw4b5 ай бұрын
Don’t touch our boats
@susanwahl63225 ай бұрын
The Greyhound was an extremely fictionalized account.
@davegray30495 ай бұрын
They are all vessels so say that
@trevorwingard5 ай бұрын
Check out his new vid on "War Daddy' the man who inspired the movie Fury
@jakebruce10345 ай бұрын
You know war daddy was real fat electrician actually has a video on it
@blush82005 ай бұрын
First uwu also hi Jack
@RedUnit105 ай бұрын
I like ship... girls. (Azur Lane player)
@shinigamimiroku37235 ай бұрын
*OWARI DA!*
@UnknownLoli5 ай бұрын
Yee
@mikepurvis43395 ай бұрын
If it floats & has an American flag flying. Leave it alone.