Rambling about Life, Hardcore & the Future of Classic WoW

[@panjack9849]

Wrath is fun, but just started leveling normally on vanilla era and it's the most fun I have had in months. Vanilla is timeless, feels like coming home.

[@JuanmaBlanc]

That is why I kinda dislike the boosting in wrath. It's hard to find groups for classic dungeons.

[@panjack9849]

@@JuanmaBlanc One thing I have noticed is that people seem nicer on era. More fun to run dungeons that way. With the exception of someone raging over a hunter needing on a dagger, but that is just world of warcraft

[@jeffreyreed3365]

Coming home yup couldn't put it any better

[@JuanmaBlanc]

@@panjack9849 totally agree!

[@memz5619]

I personally like the vibe more from Vanilla than TBC classic and Wrath.

[@Moonstrider]

You have for sure boosted the total WoW experience and community throughout your videos! THANK YOU for all the videos and give and spread out so much WoW-love

[@Jettboyyy]

I do not care how old Classic gets, it always makes me to come back to it. I would love a new season where we have an active adventures with guilds, battlegrounds, raids, etc!

[@seanl7464]

Couldn't care less about classic expansions. Vanilla is home, vanilla is life. Actually unlimited content, even 18 years later. Hardcore is a great way to fill the gaps and get back to the roots of the game. Legit don't care what they do with vanilla next, I'll be there. Until then you can find me in Azeroth leveling hardcore characters and doing achievements. Dying for some more late night Kargoz streams bro! Such a vibe.

[@CharlieJapan]

I'd be down for a new, fresh classic. Maybe with less sweaty folks and more people just having fun.

[@TheSpartanlaw]

I dont mind sweatiness but what I dislike is when people are meta slaves

[@j.flux87]

@@TheSpartanlaw Exactly.

[@poggersx4314]

@@TheSpartanlaw Not trying to start an argument but isn't playing and pushing the meta a big part of being sweaty? Like nobody is getting sweaty on the shadow priest in classic yk. I agree with Dank too... I can only play WoW on a "sweaty" level or I just lose interest.. just a personal thing and there's nothing really wrong with that imo.

[@hesketh7085]

Come play Classic Era! It's aliiiiiive!

[@bricktop2393]

@@TheSpartanlaw yeah pushing parses is super sweaty.. been there done that. Nothing exciting there

[@tylerprudhomme]

I started playing vanilla way back in 2006 when I was 12. I barely spoke English, being from a European country that never had its own dedicated servers, and didn't understand the game mechanics in the slightest. Yet the world pulled me in and kept me enthralled. That is the magic of WoW imo. I remember that a girl from Sweden showed me the ropes and led me to the Wetlands and other questing zones since I was stuck. She was the same age then that I am now, 28. She must be 44 now. Sometimes I ask myself what became of her

[@tylerprudhomme]

@@crabroz Huh, that's pretty cool. Probably a lot of people. If you were from a smaller country you had to swim or sink, and since Wow was much more social back then, most people actually took the time to help you out. It's insane how plastic our brains are when we are young, in one year of WoW I was pretty much fluent in English

[@Ryan_hey]

Legend says she's still showing people to Wetlands and other zones to this day

[@matshepherd118]

Kargoz rambling video HYPE.

[@FoodElitist]

Kargoz I've been following you since the announcment of Classic. I prepared for the launch watching ALL your vids, and then life came and I missed out on Classic. But your videos & streams I always followed and even though I haven't played a single minute of the Classic era, through you I relived my childhood's best moments. Thank you friend!

[@sean2552]

god i've said it before and i'll say it again i love you so much kargoz

[@cotz5461]

Bro!! You are so close to 100k subs on KZbin ! Let’s gooooooooooooo 100k

[@jayroc2387]

I feel very blessed to be part of this community and I think its amazing we all just love vanilla so much and keep finding reasons to play I got really bored of tbc and wrath after the first month of launch and I love that hardcore and era are popping off again! Huge shout out to you bro you are a huge reason why all of this happened and its only gonna keep getting better.

[@georgefletcher7926]

We need a Hardcore server named....Kargoz!

[@CalestoBella]

I would sign that petition!

[@Knics_]

Much love brother. Thanks for your thoughts. ❤️

[@wiefdiwbofdbw]

honestly just this WoW Era music always makes me come back. Era is the perfect, timeless game. thanks to the art style, it never really gets old.

[@andrewmoluf4299]

Been mostly playing wrath, but been dabbling a bit in era again. Was surprised to see as many people as I did starting up new chars and leveling

[@theyeti3691]

Love the videos man, love, classic wow love hard-core. Used to hate leveling characters but this hard-core community that you’ve created as spark something inside that really turned it into. I don’t really know what but I’m enjoying it. Thank you to you, to grays, to stay safe to the whole wow community to the classic. Wow community to the hard-core community. It’s more fun than I thought I’d ever have playing an 18 year old game. Looking forward to all the stuff that’s planned in the future. can’t wait to be a part of it.

[@gaius9240]

Been here since the fireside chat days. Thank you everything you have done. Fuck the haters. Your a pillar of the community. I do strongly believe that best for classic wow has yet to come!

[@Mike_1_]

im kind of tired of the constant need to upkeep gear, constant playing, constantly need to buy gold to stay on top, i just want to chill and play a game

[@siaCTRL]

Hardcore focuses on leveling and unless there are restrictions like that, it seems players get sweaty to lvl fast and clear content which to me wasn’t the reason I love vanilla. For me I like to chill and lvl and be out in the world. Oddly enough hardcore mode allows me to do that and oddly enough feels less sweaty.

[@jullz4800]

but hardocre has to be tweaked imo to make the concept more fun : i'd love to be able to trade for example

[@alexanderprince9607]

@@jullz4800 can trade. Just gotta get 60 first big dawg

[@olafschuber8482]

Hey Kargoz, thank you for this nice Vid! I would love fresh Classic (staying in Azeroth) with a couple of new Talents like in Wotlk with new Raids, Dungeons, Quests etc. Another thing: I miss you oldschool Livestreams with a Facecam, talking about Classic and Life. These were the best streams, maybe you could do one of these again. Would be absolute awesome. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@dolbykdigital7247]

I don't think people dislike esports because of money, I think it's because it popularizes tryharding to the point where it becomes a norm, and classic doesn't really require that approach on the other hand esports really is fun, especially a community organized one, so you can't please everyone

[@Pennielen]

love you bro always appreciate what you do

[@dudeshamus1451]

Fireside chat vibes. I've yet to go back to vanilla but I will for sure when wotlk ends. Wotlk was my favourite expansion so I've been loving it but I understand that era itch that a lot of people have. I'm on some major hopium but with people like Asmongold vouching for a classic+ I'm allowing my hopes to get up just slightly off the ground. Good seeing another video bro, hope all is well!

[@Cereal.Fidgeter]

I agree with everything you said about the future of wow. I stopped playing a couple years ago, but still love watching videos and streams of hc content. I have a feeling I’m gonna jump back in soon to try it all out, playing hc looks so fun

[@TheDrazial]

Thanks for all you do for the community Kargoz. Take it easy!

[@Yungkolly]

ill always come back to classic. even if im just lvling an undead up to the tarren mill for a day or two with no homies to group with. i will always love the atmosphere and gameplay.

[@XRCADIA]

Yooo thanks for making a video man :D, cool to see just something come out.

[@BarakGage]

I wish there was a way to know we were in the good ole days before they were over.

[@panjack9849]

Wisdom as always from the creator of the 500 kills series

[@BarakGage]

@@panjack9849 I stole that from the office lol but much move

[@panjack9849]

@@BarakGage I know brother but "often wisdom is knowing when to quote stuff on the internet" which of course is from George Washington.

[@derekporter66]

I miss not knowing anything. A new zone. Skull Mobs. Being clueless on gear and abilities.

[@ageoflove1980]

I was just thinking.... you know how indeed a mod can blow up like dota or cs. What would really seem cool to me if there is a way to somehow turn hardcore in to a sort of rogue-like. So what I mean is that it's obviously still permadeath but you get to keep certain progression. For example, you get to choose one or two items that you have earned that will appear in the inventory of your next character, or perhaps 1 profession. I think that would greatly increase the appeal to a wider audience. Also that would balance out the risk vs reward dynamic because when you get to keep a certain item it really raises the stakes. Plus its nice to at least have some sort of progression without compromising the appeal of hardcore mode. Don't know if it's even remotely possible to mod such a feature but it would be a fun gamemode I think, it really turns the game in a sort of gauntlet to collect the items you most desire that stays fun and relevant over a long period of time. With the permadeath and only one "save slot" per run you can literally spend years collecting stuff you really want. It would really add tension and excitement to the game with a "heirloom" system. Just imagine you get crazy lucky and you get a world drop like Staff of Jordan and that would bind to your account. That would also solve the issue that you cant trade or use the auction house because the next run you can roll a caster and still make use of it. This adds another layer of gameplay depth because each run you have to consider which class makes the best use of the items you managed to collect thus far.

[@ageoflove1980]

@@SacredCASHcow Yeah you could mod in items that give permanent xp boost to an account, on like iconic bosses like Princess in Maraudon or the Emperor in BRD or something. Or indeed temporary boosts that only last for a single run. But anyway, lots of possibilities to really create an unique game on top of the basis of Vanilla. Some good modders can probably come up with some really interesting stuff and challenging ways to get them, hidden in the back of caves with fast respawn rates for example, making it really risky and challenging but very rewarding.

[@mcfarvo]

Cinematic wide-screen no UI Giantstalker hunter looking 👌 back of the box

[@dtt719]

I’ve been having a great time on the Mankrik cluster alliance side. I was shocked at how many people were playing. Zones feel pretty full with people leveling (in wetlands now). 0 problems making groups. I’ve done both DM and BFD. People are even running SFK alliance side to help out pallies. Everyone’s doing the elite quests in zone too. Auction house is also buzzing. This is on and off peak times too. I had a day off in the middle of the week and I was still able to make the group for DM (as a hunter) np. Leveling in vanilla is so much fun. It is the meat of the content and the game feels like an actual world. The world shrinks a lot with each expansion as the player base is consolidated to a new continent .

[@dracoknight9066]

Honestly, playing WotLK made me realize that I don't really want it. I just want the more cohesive talent trees and raids like ICC in Vanilla lol. As for classic servers: I think they might skip a few. Like, I can't imagine WoD classic or Cata classic, but I can certainly see them bringing Legion classic with how big of a hit it was. What I want to see for vanilla are SoM affixes that borrow ideas from M+. Make each season vary a bit y'know? I'd like to at least try sthg like "Fortified" SoM where all mobs gain 15% HP and 10% damage increase, just to try it out. As for your content - keep it up, I love it. I love chilling while listening to OG vanilla ost/sounds as you level. I think I watched every stream in last month. The HC tour is amazing and is the content I'm most excited for in coming months outside of LoL Worlds.

[@mcfarvo]

Glad you are back into some "physical fitness" with tennis and pickle ball! Blessed be

[@mcfarvo]

2024 update is that Kargoz took a hiatus from internet stuff and came back to stream in a stringer showing off his now much leaner physique 💪

[@Zuggy778]

Much love Kargoz, thanks for keeping up your passion and commitment to vanilla. Its been fundamental to the whole experience and so many others enjoyment! Keep on rocking it!

[@hrg5829]

Thank you for reigniting my fire for Wow! ❤❤

[@salutations4686]

I played vanilla back in 2005 onwards, I played multiple private servers, I played official classic relaunch, i played SoM - I love this game. I was excited to replay TBC and Wrath, they are great games but in the experience of replaying them one thing has become more and more clear to me personally. The thing that stands out the most about vanilla wow, to me, is the emergent social gameplay and the need to group up with other people in the open world organically. Every version of wow after vanilla only stepped further away from this design philosophy, I would love to see a version of classic that attempts to go down the alternate path of honing in on the need to group up and meet other players in the open world - many ideas come to mind, but its more about the design philosophy than the specifics. Quests like killing Balgaras in the wetlands come to memory. Thanks for this style of video Kargoz, reminds me of your old fireside chats from way back.

[@DRourk]

Patch 2.3 is what took what your'e talking about out of BC... Blizzard made a monumental mistake when they made BC Classic based on that patch.

[@Konuvis]

Elwynn in the rain... My heart! My first love will always be vanilla. I like wrath, played dragonflight for a week and quit... But I will always come back to vanilla. Not sure what the future holds but I don't see classic cata or classic+ happening personally. I would love a fresh vanilla though.

[@Shobek]

loved the video and talk, can't wait for SOM 2 :)

[@PearlBagel]

On the topic of esports, they are not inherently bad. It's the effect that it has on communities that sucks. People begin to play the game with an ultra competitive mindset because they see it being marketed as a competitive game. It's a big part of why retail is the way it is.

[@poggersx4314]

wow in general is just not made for esports tbh. retail arenas are but I barely consider it that lol

[@OZM3TAL]

Just want to say that I love the rambling videos, really Wraps up months of change into a nice package for all of us. Really enjoy it 👍 keep killing it bro

[@TheDAN847]

Here to show my support for vanilla

[@j.flux87]

Bro, just wanna say, for every hater out there, you probably have 1-5-10,000 fans out there. Glad you're not planning on dropping the mop & bucket just yet. Keep going man, been doing great so far.

[@farawayranger8489]

Classic Era will always be #1 in my heart, this is coming from a Retail Andy. I didn’t play TBC or Wrath Classic, but Era and Vanilla has and had my heart. I hope Blizzard does something to consolidate the servers or release a new fresh server. They are probably deciding between that or a new SoM season. One thing is clear - they kept Era servers up and not TBC for a reason.

[@Jorvandr]

You are awesome Kargoz, just wanted to let you! :-) loved all the things that you have done the last 5 years

[@PeacebladeTV]

This was a great listen.

[@Madlux14]

I want to start the classic Era hard-core life, I love wotlk but sometimes it's nice to just sit back with a chill community and play. Where do I start? Is there a discord for all the events?

[@Madlux14]

@@absolutefolly2011 thanks man

[@lycal4555]

Even with Dragonflight being a success I don't find endgame that enjoyable I still prefer just progressing through Vanilla, my biggest enjoyement of the game just comes from leveling my character.

[@menndoess9627]

I was super super super hyped for wrath and then it came out. It feels more like retail and so does TBC but for some reason I had so much more fun in that expansion. Iv had the most fun in classic vanilla era tho and always had. I’m definitely a vanilla Andy. I’m having fun on retail but it’s not classic it’s not vanilla. Hogwarts legacy is out so I’ll be playing that for a bit but I will always play classic era because it’s so good and HC makes it a lot of fun as well. I’m glad to see the servers becoming more and more alive!

[@menndoess9627]

Also I haven event touched wrath for a while my main…priest…is still sitting at 78 LOL

[@Absolyim]

WoW Vanilla feels like Home.. while every other xpansion is just a video game.. the world is alive.. you feel like you realy in there

[@Cromius771]

This almost sounds like a goodbye

[@DiscJokeyDarkSigns]

I've been following your warrior guides from 3-4 years ago and I'm having the time of my life leveling a warrior. Yesterday we even formed a Meleecleave for SM Arms and got our runs down to 10 minutes. Thanks for everything Kargoz!

[@emwynSWE]

Turtle wow has seen a huge surge since last summer

[@valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556]

Yup turtle has nicely regained the population that they lost because of Wrath launch. I personally do prefer VanillaPlus server but the population died.

[@WonderGoon]

I want there to be dedicated servers for the trilogy: Era, TBC, Wrath. Especially if they do Cata Classic, since so many things changed after Cata. Let us choose which version of the game we want to spend our time in.

[@MrXsolwer]

I played classic mc-naxx got all my full tier set (wet dream since i was a boy back in the days.) Quit tbc after first phase Tryed wolk out, quit before end of first phase. I so want a fresh classic!! Trying out hc eu atm. Been a blast so far.

[@wampleek]

I like the clop in the background while you talk.

[@shaunyeo3349]

Im finding in woltk people just don't communicate as much, only get a 'gg' at the end of a HC run. I'm bored of it.

[@slinkbradshaw3082]

I want vanilla fresh or vanilla plus now

[@ARGOS-THOR]

im only like 3min in but this video so so relaxing, the music, the clopclop, the smooth voice.

[@cheezeygoodness9639]

Love this video format brother. The future is bright for classic WoW and Hardcore

[@denniszerkel]

I didn't even bother with wrath. I burned out on TBC quick and found myself playing vanilla again daily. The world is much more compelling without all the space/sci-fi crap in the game. I play on the Turtle WoW private server, but if Blizz ever made a vanilla+ or hardcore vanilla server id come back. I also wanna thank our boy Kargoz for building this HC community. You've made it as big and passionate as it is.

[@Accelerate55]

Bro Era has had 5k active players in the past week. Get back here now. We are all levelling together.

[@RomShalfey]

❤ your content friend. Keep it up 👍🏻

[@nomercy43]

I loved vanilla. Raided all the way through naxx. I looked forward to tbc and had a lot of fun in it but was raid logging by the end and only made it half way through Sunwell. Got to 80 in wrath and there wasn’t much to do but level alts and that’s not really my thing. I’ve kept my sub to try out hardcore and am slowly leveling a priest. Loving these low level competitions you guys are putting on. Wrath and classic are so different. I have no idea why it was so hyped. Two different games.

[@FoxTrotting1]

Couldn’t agree more with the points you make. Love the events, the streams, and so good to see the HC challenge bumping right now. Such a great time to play Classic. Thanks for all you do and have done for the Classic community.

[@NotTheWheel]

You're one of the real ones Kargoz.

[@robertauerbach2127]

Started watching as a young student in mid 20s, now I am a married father reaching 30, thx for all the vids in that time! :D

[@mcfarvo]

Season of Survival (permadeath, hardcore, etc.) Season of Strife (PvP balancing, vanilla arenas, rated BGs, etc.)

[@Accelerate55]

Sure, but no balancing. They tried that before.

[@DivyVegas]

Good to hear from ya brother -Punk Tiki

[@romnesia7729]

People always say wrath the best expansion. The reality was that it was the first expansion where wow's growth flattened. In fact, from TBC, wrath's peak was just a couple points higher. It was the first time in wow where the same amount of people joining was the same amount of people quitting. It's because everything was stream-lined in wrath, and endgame raiding became the focal point. Vanilla is simply one of a kind. It's not the best game. It's the only game.

[@thesadestguy1924]

Love your stuff Kargoz! been around for a long time and never get sick of watching what ever video i find of your on youtube you are a legend in the classic world keep up the good stuff my guy

[@aero821]

Your my all time favourite youtuber! Wish you and yours all the best man.

[@joshw3719]

I think a lot of people are ready for a fresh unchanged vanilla server. There’s a reason people have played them for so long. They’re perfectly imperfect. I really liked this down to earth video Kargoz, thanks for helping keep the game we love so much alive my man. After all this is more than a game to us. Also as a side note I know that me as well as thousands will always play a fresh vanilla server as it was back then with no changes. There’s something so special about vanilla but nobody can put their finger on it because there’s just too many things that make it that way.

[@georgefletcher7926]

Cataclysm Classic would be the biggest blunder in gaming history. The only reason I play Classic WoW is because the zones and quests are the original game and not available in retail anymore. You can play Cataclysm now in retail, so what would Classic Cataclysm be? What the hell is the point of Chromie time then? I can't play Classic WoW in Chrome time which makes Classic WoW valuable to me. WTF Blizzard you can't blow the world up twice so cut it off at Wrath of the Lich King Classic and leave it alone already.

[@CalestoBella]

ROFL @ WTF Blizzard you can't blow the world up twice. Epic.

[@everbard3071]

Pickleball is great! I'm glad you're having fun with it.

[@bluesbunny121]

WoW, Tennis and existential crisis. We have a lot of things in common :) For the existential crisis part I recommend existential philosophers and eastern philosophy such as Adveita Vedanta. You can find all on KZbin :)

[@greenxintet1651]

There are very few feelings that match the coziness of questing in the old world, Westfall, Barrens, STV, Hillsbrad, Feralas, 1k needles, Tanaris.

[@jasonescalante3731]

What’s surprising is how none of the mini games players invented from Vanilla wow days haven’t caught on yet. Blizzard could do so much with wow, but refuse to because they all about the money.

[@kanor13]

I think the loss is SoM is so sad for the future of hardcore events

[@RoughToughTonkasGotTheStuff]

I'm not even much of a classic andy, but I loved the classic relaunch and when SoM dropped it was too soon, but now after several days of played into hardcore I'd love to see a SoM2.

[@mcflurryrap5174]

congrats man on the Hc blow up! been subbed to you for longer then i can remember and im super grateful for what you have done.

[@Butterf1ingers]

hey man, I watched the entire video. Im not a long time viewer by any means, but I wish you the best man. Good to hear from you!

[@Matt-yk5pl]

Thank you Kargoz for all you do for vanilla. The game needs to be more understand by people because its the best mmorpg experience u can get from all wow versions.

[@pinoydragon]

“I do think that wrath… (long pause) I think people miss Vanilla.” Damn right! 😂

[@gribblemeister]

Blows my mind that people 'miss' a game that is still available and active. Just go play vanilla????

[@pinoydragon]

@@gribblemeister I think you’re misunderstanding the context buddy. People have been playing WOTLK, but deep down a lot crave for Vanilla again is all that was being said. At least the classic Andy’s, that is. So a switch back to Vanilla from WOTLK is what Kargoz is getting at.

[@rex9385]

I quit raiding in TBC the first time around. Never had anything against the other expansions but by the time WotLK came out I was just chasing the high I got from vanilla/tbc all the way until Classic came out / private servers I'd go play if they were of the right quality. I just want to go home and stay home. Vanilla is life

[@CaffeineInjected]

Just got a chance to watch this after a late night hunter stream. Good stuff Kargoz. Hope you stick around in hardcore for a few more years. I will be playing Hardcore wow until Throne and Liberty or Ashes of Creation Alpha 2. Cheers

[@michaelhutchinson1789]

Hardcore server and I come back... always.

[@Wyrmshield]

Love the cozy chat. Personally I can't wait for the next TBC project

[@xsteelfeverx8004]

I love Vanilla WoW. TBC is good and Wrath is OK but Classic Vanilla is pure and timeless. Having quit near the end of TBC, I decided not to even attempt Wrath and I've been content with that decision because I know I wouldn't be enjoying myself as much. I'd love to jump back into Classic though. Just level casually, enjoy the ambience of the world and meet new friends while fondling memories of the ones I've left behind.

[@Accelerate55]

Classic Era is blowing up. You should start levelling with everyone else now.

[@anthonyzarfati3579]

Kargoz thanks for being a champion of my favorite game of all time. Much love

[@nimbus00001]

❤❤❤

[@Samuraiyann]

i'm consuming every droplet of vanilla content i can, and i'm looking forward massively towards the new SoM. Do you have any thoughts on when that'll come out? i'm contemplating playing on era, but if i can suspect SoM comes out in a few weeks i dont feel like leveling on era atm.

[@jeffsmith8066]

Same boat. I have other games to fill the void, but the classic itch is strong right now

[@dunkelwelpling]

I think they're going to re-release Vanilla fresh and then build upon it like OSRS does - a Classic+ so to say. This is what people want and also yields the best financial profits.

[@Stonewallx39]

Been playing on classic era (Whitemane server) last couple weeks and it’s been super fun. Totally different culture than Classic WoTLK.

[@Sebastian-rf4sd]

Just started my first hardcore character on turtle wow. Killing boars has never been so exciting!

[@Forbidden_0ne]

Classic WoW future is grass roots. The Smash Bros community has done that for over 20 years and isn't slowing down.

[@Bighyphyaids]

❤

[@itsame_th2283]

what a fantastic experiment it has been. Its good to see people finally, finally realize that WoW died with tbc.

[@JSalonsky]

It really did, if you buy the official guidebook, reading every page you can feel the passion coming from every word, the last page “I couldn’t have been more fortunate to work on such a great project”. This couldn’t have been replicated

[@tonyslark7368]

You the man Kargoz! Thanks for all that you do!

[@KyleMiller1919]

😂 they converted you to the PICKLE BALL team!! I remember you were just complaining about how they were taking over lmao If you can’t beat them, join them, eh? 😂 I’m proud to say I’ve been around since Day 1 of Classic with you bro. Here’s to a few more years!

[@jameshoughton5456]

Theirs just something about classic. I had high hopes for both TBC and WOTLK as I had such a blast playing in my younger days. Quit both expansions as it wasn't as good as I remembered. Back to HC on hydraxian. That's my favourite game to play now. Until hopefully another classic. I doubt the player base will want Cata as I remember the raiding was poor and the only good thing about it was PVP so maybe there's some traction for it on the pvp side but I think that's about it.

[@PainkillerPhysio]

On some servers, leveling up "normally" feels hard, because most people are focused on boosting their rerolls, and doing high level content as fast as possible. Anyone knows a good chill server where a lot of people are leveling up, making groups, friendly guilds etc ? i mean.. like old times :p

[@wiefdiwbofdbw]

Wotlk is way more retail than we remember, that's the truth.

[@MrSanctuarys]

Yeah as a classic/tbc Andy who quit before and never played wotlk it's not as good as people claiming it to be. Not bad in any sense but gear catchup is super easy and after that its just raid logging besides the heroic daily if you want that or TLPD hunting.