Ran It Completely Dead! Tesla Model 3 LFP Rear Wheel Drive 70-MPH Highway Range Test

[@KyleConner]

The commitment! Ryan went full send running this thing completely out - and holy s**t what a score!! This is the best car on sale today factoring price and value. What an insanely efficient machine

[@YourMother88]

Agreed! I have this exact car and it is my first EV. I got about 240 wh/mi on a recent 1000mi road trip that was mostly 80-85mph cruising with lots of full-throttle passing over the broken yellow line! Can't recommend it enough!

[@Chloe11738]

Idk man. 230-260 mile range is shit in a car. Then waiting 30 mins or more to recharge. I like EVs. The range just isn’t there for me. If I can get a model 3 that goes 400 plus miles per charge, I’m all in. My car goes almost 500 per tank.

[@thumper1747]

I’d be driving at between 56 and 65 if I owned an EV, so I’m sure this model could do even better, albeit in decent weather.

[@pvic6959]

id LOVE to see this with the 2024 model 3 RWD LFP pack

[@charlescasto4226]

@@pvic6959did they make any motor or pack changes? Or just body?

[@nyc90]

Love shorter videos like this! Straight to the point without repeating the same thing over and over. An easy and fun watch.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

exactly. the other guy just likes to hear himself talk

[@jaredmyers4250]

100% agree

[@evkx]

13.91kWh/100km going 70mph is really impressive. Great review

[@EvgenyVihnevich]

i get 14kw/h at 105kmh in my ZOE ZE.50, so not that far off

[@steinwaymodelb]

@EvgenyVihnevich 70mph is about 113 km/h. If this test were done at 63mph consumption would be notably lower.

[@EvgenyVihnevich]

@@steinwaymodelb but this is a sleek model 3, and Zoe is a brick. The difference should have been bigger.

[@brentbristol4549]

@@EvgenyVihnevich The Zoe is lighter, has a less powerful electric motor and has skinner tires, all which improve range

[@masina9447]

​@@EvgenyVihnevich The difference IS bigger. Nobody believes your claim of getting close to 14 kWh/100km in a Zoe at a speed of 70mph (113 km/h). Real reviews show consumption over 18 kWh/100km. That's 30% worse in a smaller, lighter, low-performance car.

[@officialyasir]

Great job, Ryan!! I have been looking forward to this one! Way to squeeze out every electron, you were so close!! base Model 3 is an insane deal right now!

[@richardwebber1665]

I just returned from a 4 day road trip to the Eastern Sierra Nevada from the San Francisco Bay Area driving my new Model 3 RWD. I drove 1,290 miles ranging from 80mph along I-5 to up and down mountains at 8,500 to 10,500 feet, returning via Sonora Pass at 9,600'. I made no effort to be efficient with my driving and got an average of 238Wh/mile or 4.2 mi/kWh. Oh, and the highs were 99F on two of the days.

[@Mike-.]

Super nice Change-Up from the ramblings of Kyle over and over and over and over and over and over

[@terryrodbourn2793]

Yes Kyle sometimes just rambles on a little to much sometimes, Must drive his wife crazy!

[@greengrass89]

Awesome job Ryan! Exact result I expected, after 25,000 miles in my RWD LFP. I once got 282 miles on a single charge. Slightly slower, and minimal climate usage.

[@thegrandpencil4374]

Just curious. I'm in the market, but leery of RWD. Have you driven yours in snow/ice/heavy rain? How does it handle?

[@charlescasto4226]

@@thegrandpencil4374the hard tires make them poor in winter weather. In either and or rear they will be better with better suited tires.

[@777Outrigger]

Let's see, 70 mph test on a 60 kWh battery pack gives you a range of 264 miles? Excellent! Very close to the 272 EPA range.

[@KiRiTO72987]

Pretty sure EPA range estimate is based on going 55/60 mph so that could have made the difference

[@kiwijonowilson]

Wow at 70 mph (113 kph) that is a great result. I struggle to get that result driving carefully at 100kph (60mph) with my M3 RWD but then here in NZ we have mostly coarse chip tarmac roads (which impacts range - I see lower consumption on our short stretches of smooth tarmac).

[@andrewt9204]

LFP is tough because it has such steep voltage drops at its top and bottom ends and hardly any in the middle. It's pretty difficult to calculate percentage at any SoC, but especially at the ends. I've learned with my LFP batteries once I hit ~2.8V per cell, it's about to drop like a rock. I just did a 3,020 mile road trip from MN to Yellowstone this past week. I averaged 251 Wh/mi in my M3 LR. I think that's pretty good considering elevation changes and 70-80 mph freeway speed limits.

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

251 is excellent for what is mainly highway driving. Translates to a little over 300 miles usable range assuming the LR has 77kwh usable

[@danandfaith]

Phantom braking continues to be an issue for our Tesla Y, as it was in our 3. It’s not just on sunny days as someone else suggested. We have some roads near home where it slams on the brakes, then proceeds in the same spot EVERY time we drive the road. Happens in FSD and in cruise control. Yes we keep submitting reports when we knock the system out of FSD. We don’t use any of the automation when driving in congested areas, so as to avoid getting rear ended. This is the #1 safety issue we see with our Tesla (FSD has plenty of others, they just can’t seem to fix phantom braking).

[@deshaunjackson8188]

They don't even need to fix the Phantom breaking all they need to do is include an option for cruise control to lock the car at that speed. But Tesla is so god-damn arrogant that they can't admit that their FSD isn't perfect. So by allowing a patch to fix cruise control would be admitting failure in their eyes, so instead if delivering a better more safer product they choose to put their customers in danger. Tesla proves to me every chance they get that they dont care one single shit for their costumers

[@deshaunjackson8188]

Report the phantom breaking to NHTSA, it's the only way things are going to change.

[@The_DuMont_Network]

There is one place where I can predict a phantom braking event every time. It is the point at the end of the SB toll lanes rejoining Stemmons Freeway just before MOckingbird in Dallas. Here's the key - it happens in all three of my Teslas and happened in a Model 3 loaner. There is an overhead structure with the automatic ticketing for the toll lanes. It uses near field rfid to read the card on my windshield. Something - either the physical dimensions of the gear on the overhang or perhaps some interaction with the NFRFID gear triggers the car. I have never experienced a phantom braking event in 90K miles between three Model 3s.

[@deshaunjackson8188]

@@The_DuMont_Network if you dont use FSD or cruise control, then teslas rarely phantom break. I personally only ever had my car phantom break once or twice outside of cruise control and FSD. But when it's in cruise control it phantom breaks constantly!!!

[@Superman-xr1oh]

​@@deshaunjackson8188when you say cruise control, are you referring to basic autopilot?

[@TechProGabe]

I have this model and have driven up and down the east coast no problem. Charge it to 100% every day with no noticable degrade in battery at 18k miles. People are sleeping on the rwd its the model to get.

[@vladimiralexandrov5930]

Looks like 57 kwh pulled 100% to 0% and then additional 2 kwh below 0%. Amazing efficiency. If the car was super fresh and brand new, it could hit 270 miles

[@Sacto1654]

@@jonvb2439 On an EV, you suddenly start to learn a lot of the tricks used by hypermilers.

[@Sw1sher95]

@@jonvb2439I got 201 miles with 3% left going 80-85

[@austinpowers1999]

What did it hit?

[@Martinm210]

That's impressive, much better than I expected and great job running it completely out. Bjorn similarly was a bit surprised at the sudden nature of the LFP giving up, no dots or power limit warning. The BMS is a bit more of a guess on remaining power but wow, 264 actual highway 70mpg miles is really good! Great work!

[@felaxchow207]

That's the one interesting thing about LFP batteries, their charge curve is quite extreme between the upper and lower end. My experience with the stationary LFP power packs that I have will go full send to the end of the charge curve and fall off the cliff. Compared to NMC variants that have a slight linear voltage curve for the BMS to give a better "educated" guess of what's left in the pack. Since there's no difference in performance at 80% or 1% is when things get dicey and the more importantly topping it off to 100% SoC to calibrate the BMS and balance out the battery pack.

[@JarredSutherland]

I had to rent a car so I went with a 2023 Model 3 LFP. I was shocked how well it did driving today, it feels more efficient than our LR.

[@summertyme5748]

"I ended up dying with the car" [gasp] lol. Not even Freudian slip really.

[@vg4902]

That's some great range for a base M3 RWD. But Tesla really needs to get on that phantom braking issue... Some things they just shouldn't have gotten rid of. Radar and ultrasonic should both have remained alongside the cameras. Heck add Lidar. Find cost savings elsewhere, not on driver safety.

[@MH-Tesla]

My new model 3 std range has never phantom breaked even once. Driven over 2,000 miles so far and a lot of highway/autopilot miles. ???

[@vg4902]

@@MH-Tesla That's good to hear for you. But phantom braking not occurring for you doesn't mean it's not happening, shouldn't be addressed, or that safety measures should have been removed.

[@MH-Tesla]

@@vg4902 Agreed. Just saying I've not experienced it. I have learned that I'm way more distracted while driving than I thought I was. Car yells at me all the time. Actually it did yell at me... I've since reformed my ways. It does scream about potential front end collisions too early, but I have the settings set to early warning (given my apparent distracted ways.) I'll likely set it to late warning once I get comfortable. Also, I need to stop racing every sports car that passes me on the freeway. Granted, I've beat them all except the motorcycle, even in the standard range, but it's about time I got over the joy of real acceleration!

[@Dougiefreshhhh]

It's the dedication to the mission for me

[@gibsonrocker17]

Nice test! 97% of the claimed range is pretty good given your altitude changes and most likely some slight wind resistance more than "ideal conditions" for testing. In any hill country or especially here out west, we never see claimed range or MPG numbers. Even though this is only one test, I'd presume most people could legitimately safely get 90-95% of the claimed EPA range no matter where they live and as long as they weren't driving like a maniac. It's nice to know what the buffer is in case you were in a more remote place where you had to stretch getting to a fast charger of some kind. And of course, various chargers are popping up pretty much every day at this point. It definitely makes me a little less nervous about picking up an EV once the refreshed Model 3 comes out here in the near future.

[@Joe_Brig]

Very nice, plus you got a free workout!

[@isovideo7497]

Return legs will only give first order cancellation. The steeper the hill, or the stronger the wind, the more the overall trip distance will reduce.

[@AaronMcFarland]

Know that road way too well, being that was exit to go to my home town in the 90's. That was pretty impressive miles you got out of your standard range Model 3.

[@EdwardClinton]

Great job. 260 miles is great.

[@vhol93]

Respeeeect! Great video, Ryan!

[@jakemeltzer9390]

Great Video. Love having other perspectives from the OOS crew

[@writetophani]

Well done Ryan... Very rarely we see reviewers run the battery completely down including the buffer... Thankyou Sir...

[@patrick7228]

Amazing how many people love these even with the phantom braking issue. Would be impossible for me to relax on a road trip.

[@AlexisUrena]

FSD solves almost all of that and drives considerably better even on highways.

[@robertshunter]

​@@AlexisUrena Most people aren't going to pay a $15K surcharge so their car will work as it should. It's supposed to do that at MSRP.

[@epcalderhead]

Just finished a 539 mile road trip in our Model 3 LR RWD (121 kWh/225 Wh/mi) and used FSD Beta 11.4.4 for 95% of the trip. Zero phantom braking incidents.

[@AlexisUrena]

@@robertshunter Subscription at $199 a month is also an option. Eventually, FSD stack will be used for Autopilot and hopefully end the phantom braking debacle.

[@georgecostanza2695]

Great numbers, I'm impressed!

[@suresh_elonbro]

anyone caught how far it went when display hit 0%? normal humans are not recommended to use the buffer.

[@davebryer6133]

I would love to see this test on an Ionic 6.

[@iMaxPatten]

*IONIQ

[@BrianThorstad]

Nice! Since I don’t have LFP batteries, I won’t drive mine so low. Thanks for taking time to contribute knowledge.

[@The1Mischief]

Also got a new Model 3 RWD. Traveling from Philly to Boston later tonight (July 6th) so I'll check my efficiency

[@The1Mischief]

230wh/mi total

[@Ranbo5]

Good job and convincing proof. Re the phantom breaking; my 2020 M3 used to do this on a certain highway almost every time I drove on it. Then sometime in the past year, it stopped happening. I wonder if something has been done?

[@My-MD-Videos]

Amazing results… thanks for the test

[@danielt6939]

This is the sort of testing we all want to see, but are afraid to do ourselves. Thank you!

[@javiercastro4561]

Fantastic video!

[@mike9588]

Been waiting for This one

[@hershohm]

Surprised at how much phantom braking you had. I've driven thousands of miles on Autopilot in our 2021 Model Y LR with no phantom braking ever

[@Eman2000]

In my experience, it seems to do it most on empty roads. It's very odd. It would act up once every couple of weeks. If it phantom braked once during a drive chances were it would do it multiple times on the same drive. With the newer software that allows for FSD to be used on highways, I haven't had any phantom breaking events. I've had a few hesitations were the car just kind of coasted for a few seconds, but never a full brake application like what the old software would do.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Correct me if wrong, but phantom braking only occurs on FSD equipped cars and not on non-FSD, autopilot cars. I’ve never had phantom braking in autopilot cruise control.

[@TheRealMartin]

I have a 2020 Model that never phantom brakes. Just did over 1000 miles on the I-5 almost exclusively on autopilot. So weird that you get phantom brakes so often.

[@MyTeslaTrek]

Ryan, strong work dude!

[@Rocketboy-qg6ts]

Nice vid. How many miles did it do after you hit zero???

[@zapperone7]

Yes! I have the same question.

[@nthused]

I am LOVING my LFP!

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

I own one of these cars myself. i can tell you this, in vegas it was 113 yesterday.....233mi range, drove 97 dense city miles, AC on 68 and fans on at level 6 front and rear, i was down to 41 miles of range. used DOUBLE the normal power. my car is also excessively tinted including front window, and roof double covered (tint and shades). when its excessively hot out, these cars suck juice hardcore. another tidbit....i charged at 1am, and it was 95 outside. when i left the charger i couldnt get less than 550 on efficiency, i stopped the car for 5 minutes. then got back in, and i was getting under 300 for efficiency. letting the battery cool down and getting the conditioning system to stop operating instantly worked in my favor. the only way the car would stop running the fans and such under the frunk was to get outt of the car and walk away. seems like the conditioning system needs a software update, if it was over heating when i started it up again i would understand it turning back on, but it didnt.... with this said, if you did this on a range test for the purposes of seeing how far you can really milk out of this thing, getting the temp conditioning to shut down before driving would have probably gotten you that full 270 range since early on your car was sucking juice hardcore.

[@michaelsuzio4268]

Yeah when it's hot out battery doesn't last as long from Baytown Texas to lake Charles (125 miles) my rental Tesla used 200 miles of range at 70mph it was 95 degrees that day

[@Superman-xr1oh]

Did you have anyone in the back seat?

[@cjrciadt]

Great Video! Enough range to make it to Aurora CO, from Alamosa without recharging!

[@RidingWithJahv]

Just picked up my 2023 Model 3 RWD. cool to see how far it can go on a single charge, wasn't sure how efficient it would be on the highway

[@RVal1995]

My Model 3 Performance gets 315 watts per mile at 70 mph. Got 463 watts per mile at 85 mph in 113 degrees heat yesterday 😢

[@AClosedMind]

the stones on this one! #OutOfSpecStyle

[@ConservatEV]

As I mentioned on another video I have your car’s twin (same everything.) I just got back to Michigan (near Ann Arbor, Go Blue!) on Monday (technically as it was just after midnight) from the Outer Banks. It was 850+ miles each way. We went through Ohio-West Virginia-Virginia-North Carolina there and the same route back. I used Chargeway, Waze (to have some warning about the po-po) and the car’s navigation. It took about 17 hours to get there and 18.5 hours to get back. The elevation is overall downhill from home to OBX and uphill coming back. Alas, I didn’t record efficiency well, but basically I averaged 235 kw/mi overall before the trip and it’s around 238 kw/mi after the trip (have about 6500 miles on it now.) I was getting close to 5 miles per kwh in the flat OBX/NC terrain, that fell off to about 3 miles per kwh in WV (that 2800 foot elevation pass was impressive to us Michiganders!) The interesting thing is that the Tesla estimated range was off (over and under estimated) on the way back (and it was calibrated, before and during the trip home!) while Chargeway was either right on or under-estimated (meaning we arrived with more energy than predicted.) The scary part was the car told us we didn’t have to charge between Columbus and home to arrive with 10% or so but Chargeway said we needed to charge 24% to arrive home with 11%. We charged 25% and arrived home with… 25%. It would have been very close to 0% had we not charged! Too close for comfort. I have an EVSE at home so no worries there, but really there are ZERO fast chargers between where we charged (Maumee, OH supercharger) and home so I wasn’t going to risk it. Basically I learned it’s certainly possible to road trip in the Model 3, as expected, but it’s not quite as worry-free as it seems to be. You really do need to keep double-checking what the car is telling you vs apps telling you what should be happening. If there are two routes, one with more chargers than the other, I’d opt for the one with more chargers regardless of the other factors (length, tolls, etc.) It’s still a bit of an adventure driving an EV long range!

[@cyclopsvision6370]

Long road trips take some pre planning, knowing your car, and knowing your environment. You knew there wouldn't be another charging station between the last stop you charged at, and home, so you made sure you had enough charge to make it home. Kudos for being proactive.

[@mike9588]

Going off memory I think this is the only Tesla that actually gets it’s EPA highway rating

[@timgregoire]

Going off memory I think this is the only Out of Spec range test that utilized a Tesla's battery buffer.

[@updlate4756]

@@timgregoire Incorrect. Also very weird that you were upvoted for this comment when it's provably false with a simple search of their other Tesla range tests. Seriously man... it would have taken you a couple of minutes to verify it... but why take the time to verify, eh?

[@timgregoire]

I'm a frequent viewer. I honestly can't remember a Out of Spec range test that they ran a Tesla to complete dead, using up the buffer completely. There have been a few where they felt the battery was dead but didn't push the car to it's limits where it needed a to be towed or pushed to the charger. If I'm wrong, send me a link. Happy to admit being wrong. I have not horse in this race.

[@updlate4756]

@@timgregoire They rarely run cars to real zero. If they do, it's by accident. The goal is to run the cars down as close to real zero as possible while still making it back to the charger. If they do get back to the charger with a bit of extra energy left in the battery, then it's likely only a few miles worth. Negligible. To make a big thing out of those few miles would be silly. I suggest re-watching the Tesla videos then instead of misinforming readers. Out of Spec may not run them completely dead... but they certainly run them well below 0%. They go further below 0% in Teslas than in many cars they've tested given that they're familiar with the larger buffers. IMO, they shouldn't run the test below the car's 0 miles remaining indicator when there's no more guidance to the driver of how much range is left.

[@mike9588]

@@timgregoire⁠so you really want them to use all of the buffer as if a real world scenario would rely on people using the whole buffer 🤡, bro wants them to have to push the car each time 🤡, you’re acting as if they can perfectly know how much buffer is available like chill 😂

[@ranyshawket9253]

just want to say thank you first for a very very nice and helpful video, i am a tesla lover and have been dying to purchase the model 3 Performance. Not dying because i cant purchase it but i work 100 Miles each way to work, and drive 15 miles to the gym each way, so i watch a lot of videos because i do get range anxiety, and i dont drive like how many tesla owners do, 65-70 MPH. In southern california if a highway patrol clocks you doing 85 MPH its not a ticket, so i average 85 MPH on the freeway i cant wait for tesla to up thier range performance so i can purchase mine. Thanks again!

[@Jefixit]

I’m curious to see what the newest lfp long range battery is netting on a range test just like you did. Btw props for getting every last bit for us onlookers 😅

[@vtecaddict]

There is no LFP long range battery. New 2023 US market Model 3 Long Range is using the same LG Chen NMC battery that Europe and other countries have been getting in the Made in China cars for a couple years now.

[@PC-vq5ud]

@@vtecaddict I believe he is referring to the anticipated new battery pack that the refresh is supposed to get: CATL M3P

[@kenhiett5266]

Planning to do a Cadillac Lyriq 70mph range test? Curious to see what the AWD 600 4e can do on 100kwh.

[@SecondLifeDesigner]

Wonderful video! I still suggest some glass cleaner or whatever you use to clean the touch screens before you record the video. Other than that a perfect video. Running the car down to absolute zero and then pushing it was a bonus. You really committed your whole body to the video on this one. You get respect points for that. The Tesla Model 3 LFP model right now would be the only Tesla I buy if I could afford it.

[@vincentrobinette1507]

I agree. My biggest consideration is the mileage per kWh. This car, able to achieve nearly 4.5 miles/kWh at 70 miles per hour is as good as it gets! I was able to achieve similar efficiency in a Chevrolet Bolt EUV, but not at nearly these speeds. The Bolt was a front drive only, not rear drive, but still, a single motor with differential. I think the Tesla is more aerodynamic than the Bolt EUV.

[@letsgobrandon5800]

My non-EUV Bolt regularly did 4.0-4.5 miles/kWh at 70 mph with no HVAC running.

[@azorglub]

Super impressive, bother the car and Ryan

[@Dubitz]

Yet another great video showcasing once again that the Model 3 RWD is truly the best vehicle for your money.

[@Longsnowsm]

That phantom braking issue has been around for a long time now and it is dangerous. I hope they are forced to fix it or disable the emergency braking system. You can temp disable it, but it resets every time you get in the car. That RWD M3 is pretty efficient. That is a pretty good result. A person using some common sense would hopefully know to stop and charge long before this. So probably realistic to get 240 miles before hitting a charger at the latest. Still a good number for 70mph.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

consdering almost every highway placed tesla charger is about 150-180 miles apart from each other that is decent...however impractical for very long road trips. i own this same car, and i personally wouldnt take it more than a 6-8 hour road trip considering 30 min at each charge. a 5 hour road trip should yeild one charge in the middle and that is fine....maybe 2 for a longer one. both times great to grab a bite, use the bathroom etc.

[@Longsnowsm]

@@baldisaerodynamic9692 There needs to be greater charging network density to make these trips a lot more practical for the average "hop in the car and drive" normal person. For those with a sense of adventure and a willingness to go deep in the pack on the first leg from a 100% charge and then charger hop the 10%-60% charger cycle the times wouldn't be too bad. Longer range EV's would be better for sure. It's just that if we want the average car buyer to try electric I think things will still need to improve unless they are willing to relax and enjoy the experience. Charger density needs to continue to get better so this is easier to do. Still very impressive efficiency out of that car at highway speeds. I was hoping Tesla would bring back the RWD LR version of the M3, but sadly they haven't.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

@@Longsnowsm you arent wrong. i think more people will hop on the EV bandwagon when they can skip a charger at its current distance between chargers. 400epa range would mean 330-350 real world range and possibly 380 in tests such as these. but, as it stands now, tesla has a decent network and most of the chargers i saw on the map are 150-180 miles apart....which, at current capacities, is not awful considering how charging infastructre is considered to be poor in the USA compared to say norway. but thats for Tesla....non tesla EVs are another story and those are where the really crappy experiences tend to stack up.

[@Longsnowsm]

@@baldisaerodynamic9692 In my region of the US the Tesla Superchargers are between 50-100 miles apart on the major interstate road system. So the coverage isn't horrible with Tesla. Get off of those main corridors and it is a completely different story. It becomes an EV desert. For now EV's are for the adventurous at heart. LOL This base model RWD M3 looks like a fine car. I love it's efficiency, but just so many other areas that it is a compromise for my own needs. The efficiency and charging network are the selling points.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

@@Longsnowsm it really goes by everyones needs being different. battery tech, range, and weight and making it practical for most are what the balance is right now. in a couple of years, we will see 400 epa range in this same or similar sized pack with same or less weight. tesla charging network, and reliability of it were my selling points as its very thought free compared to non tesla EVs....and the price of others are far too high for lack of tech and features.

[@Alexzw92]

great video, glad it wasnt an hour long for no reason

[@kineticarl]

I wonder how much elevation plays into this. I recently rented a Model Y in Denver and drove several hundred miles through the Rockies and averaged noticably better efficiency while doing so than my personal Model Y does at sea level in similar heat and wind conditions and definitely less dramatic mountains.

[@ryankassel5691]

It’s a loop style test so elevation gain and loss are cancelled out. However, none of the systems in the car have 100% efficiency so it would be slightly more efficient to drive on a completely flat route

[@davetravels9273]

That’s true. The air is less dense up here so Evs are more efficient. But we do lose more from the constant hill climbing. The regen on the descent doesn’t make up for it. Regardless, it’s still an efficient car.

[@daves1646]

Ryan, =Thanks for ‘to empty’ range test with the base Model 3. With the buffer being so shallow, perhaps Tesla has some ‘tuning’ on the voltage/vs/% or miles remaining to be done. Q about Tesla ‘cruise control’, is there a mode that just sets driving speed and doesn’t adjust it based on camera reads of traffic ahead? Or is the phantom braking problem really the poison pill that it seemed to be with the notable # of times it happened early in your test? Thanks again!!

[@KenPaulsenArchitect]

Very useful information for me! Thanks!!! Did you use A/C or sound system during test?

[@ryanevans2655]

Would be interested to see a snow test on the RWD model 3. Seems like all around the best EV for the money, esp with tax credits and a decent used market already, but I’m curious about winter driving up to the ski areas…

[@TommyboyGTP]

When the Model S had that size battery before getting bumped up to 75, i don't believe it would go nearly that far.

[@markwitkop7022]

Any chance you could document the difference in (miles per kWh) at 67mph vs 71mph. I have driven more than 1.5 million miles in cars. I have noticed a wall just north of 67mph. Most people don't think that 4mph means anything. I have experienced it first hand. This test you just did was 4.5 mpk. I think that you could get, 4.8 mpk. What do you think.

[@Joeblk10]

I think it's more realistic to do a test at like 75 or so like what the speed limits are on most interstates. You go 67 around these parts your getting honked at and flipped off. Plus if we really want ev adoption then we can't expect compromise. Drive like normal. Test like normal.

[@updlate4756]

@@Joeblk10 70 mph is the most common speed limit on highways. Semi trucks typically have a speed limit that's 5-10 mph slower as well. So long as you're in the right lane and not holding up traffic, no one should have an issue.

[@Joeblk10]

@@updlate4756 not on interstates and definitely not in CO where they are based. And who cares what semis do. This is a passenger vehicle. Like I said, shouldn't have to compromise.

[@BadBackOz]

@@Joeblk10 You're right, 75 is absolutely the realistic test and even when people think they are doing 75,based on their speedometer, they are probably traveling at 73. I don't know anyone who drives at exactly the speed limit.

[@updlate4756]

@@Joeblk10 Yes, 70 is the most common speed on interstates. It doesn't matter where they're based, they're doing a typical highway speed test. If you want to drive faster or highways on your journey have a higher speed limit, then expect to see lower efficiency. Same thing if it's colder, raining, etc... There is a potential issue with doing tests in CO with its higher elevation and lower air density... so there's that too. You seem to have missed the point about the semis; it's that there are going to be vehicles in this area driving 70 mph... so for a passenger car to do likewise in the right lane shouldn't be an issue.

[@mondogomez5]

The fix for the breaking is holding down both balls on the steering wheel until the screen goes off. It will reset the cameras and you will be able to do auto pilot again in about 20 miles.

[@deshaunjackson8188]

The phantom breaking is so trash. Same issue for me as well. All I want is for the car to lock in the speed, every other car company has figured that out. It's so frustrating to have the car slam on the breaks. Especially when your passenger gets all uppity. "Yes I know tesla is a trash company that can't even figure out cruise control, what do you want me to do about it?" I reported tesla to NHTSA. I encourage everyone who owns a tesla to do the same, it's unacceptable and also such an easy goddamn fix. Just make it an option in the settings!!!!!! It's so easy!!!!!

[@Alexfolsome1121]

Just a side note here... If you drive 70mph here in Illinois you are going to get rear ended. I'd like to see the range at around 80mph?

[@Robert-pm6bm]

Two questions: what month build is this RWD? And when full, how many miles does the BMS say you have ?

[@gohumberto]

So the Model 3 LFP gives you a worry-free 230 miles at 70. That's all I really need because most of my driving is sub 55mph. I reckon that gets me 300 miles.

[@shanelen]

Awesome real world review test Ryan, range anxiety is still a major issue with lots of potential ev drivers

[@pedroteixeira2333]

Could you make a comparison of which type of vehicle consumes more range with the cooling system, whether it's a Eletric or gasoline car? I imagine it could be done like this: - Take 2 electric vehicles and perform route 1 with the air conditioning on, and the other without. - Do the same with the combustion vehicle. Then we will know if there is a difference in range between the two types of vehicles and in which one the impact is greater.

[@gao57009]

Wondering how much AC was being used. What was the outside air temp during the trial?

[@ryankassel5691]

High 80s to low 90s for most of it

[@duggydo]

It would be interesting to see if there's much of a difference if you charged it fully at home and ran the test with the battery not hot at the beginning.

[@FuncleChuck]

What impact do you think that would have?

[@duggydo]

@@FuncleChuck He mentioned in the video that DC fast charging leaves the battery hot and for the first part of the test energy was expended cooling it back down.

[@zguy95135]

I don't think it would have made much of a difference. Energy usage is always high if you hop right on the freeway after resetting your trip info and drops quickly as you add more miles. Plus going off the numbers, it looks like on the first leg he was slowly gaining elevation.

[@duggydo]

@@zguy95135 Maybe. He seemed to think it was significant when he mentioned it in the video. That's why I'd like to see a comparison.

[@wakeywarrior]

I can get 280 miles out of mine on a similar run in summer but I haven’t quite run it down to 0. I did a test fully documented a few times running mine at 68 on the highway. My efficiency was a bit better- under 200 because maybe it was a bit cooler and I went at 68. I’ve also tested it in freezing temps and it loses about 25-30% How much was the buffer?

[@AC-vs1tx]

That's dedication lmao great job

[@henryherrera9111]

Crazy my 23 lfp gets 110-140 miles city at 100%

[@whatdoesnt]

Just took a rental 2023 M3 on a 1300 mile road trip, phantom breaking at least every 2 hours. Really annoying and potentially dangerous. This has me waiting for next gen models with improved cameras.

[@AC-vs1tx]

Lmao that's dedication. Great job and thank you!

[@PlugGoEV]

Hey Ryan, What app are you using? thanks

[@MANdoesminecraft]

Hmmm Kyle looks different in the video. Did you do something with your beard?

[@Iledomair]

amazing work great host

[@tonyn3227]

Fantastic results, that's why tesla rules,

[@terrylueders]

Very interesting! But I do not see the value of you showing me the last few miles! The range test should go to 2 percent only.,

[@perengstrom3414]

Can you run a BMW M3 until it's completely dead, please?

[@ryankassel5691]

Yeah, just send me an M3 and I’ll get on it! 😉

[@gofortyninerss]

Ryan, thank you for doing this video. I too have a M3 Standard. What would be your guess for range with four people in the car?

[@markclark4154]

Good test. Reducing your battery life to feed the algorithm.

[@jonathanm7437]

Nice car. What insurance do you use? I'm having trouble finding good rates.

[@darrenk7393]

How many miles of buffer did you get, you mentioned final and 2% numbers but didn’t mention how many miles we’re gained after 0.

[@paulbyars542]

How long was the recharge to 100%, and how much did it cost??? Cause price of the car, cost to charge, time to charge, im not impressed, my kia soul isnt great on gas but it cost me 8k, 12 gallon tank, $3 a gallon here in murray ky, almost 400 miles to the tank fill up 10 minutes...

[@Cptrq]

my daily commute is 50mph i dont go above it because i always give myself plenty of time to get to work in the morning, almost no traffic some stop lights and a mix of uphill and down hill i should get pretty close to estimated epa range i would assume?

[@tumbleweed1976]

“Thanks Bjorn!” 🎈

[@blurglide]

260 miles and what was your average speed?

[@michaelsuzio4268]

I almost ran out of battery between Baytown Texas and lake Charles Louisiana it was supposed to have 20% left it miscalculated and got there with 11% then in lake Charles half the chargers weren't working and the 3 were filled up with 2 people waiting for chargers so I went to the next station in Iowa Louisiana got there with 2% left and 16 open working chargers

[@transendre1]

An 80mph autopilot speed test would be cool to understand long roadtrip conditions. Especially intereting because drag and eletrical inefficiency is worse as speeds are higher.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

and many highways are speed limits of 75 now.....EPA still stuck at 65

[@The1Mischief]

​@@baldisaerodynamic9692PA stuck at 55

[@updlate4756]

Nah... the point of these range tests is to give a comparable test for all of the vehicles. Faster speeds will see lower efficiency losses in cars with the best aerodynamics, Cd x A. 70 mph is the most used speed limit on highways, which is why it's the speed typically tested.

[@zguy95135]

They already did a 15 minute challenge with this car, the speed is 80mph in that test.

[@nobrien1]

Great test and video! I would be interested in seeing what it can do with chill mode off?

[@ryankassel5691]

Probably very similar, unless you really jumped on it for on ramps and passing

[@philhyde983]

How many miles did you get after 0%? Hard to tell but I think your trip odometer was 253? So is that 11 miles before the car shut down?

[@mluu510]

You're assuming the wind direction is static

[@brianriebedriveselectric]

Amazing dedication, great test! Hope you get to have some rest after that. The downside of EVs being heavier!

[@LearningFast]

Great job with the test. I wonder how much supercharging affects efficiency. I have seen better efficiency by level 2 charging to 100% as opposed to supercharging to 100% in controlled 25 mile loop testing. I would love to see you all do this same test by level 2 charging to 100% to keep the battery and especially the motors cooler.

[@KyleConner]

Definitely has an impact due to cooling request after but keep in mind we run every car in this exact same test, so it’s all equal across cars. Especially in the winter this helps results be more consistent. Anyone can get more range than our test by adjusting a few things; but that’s not the point

[@LearningFast]

@@KyleConner I totally understand Kyle. Nobody does testing procedures better than you. However, it would be cool to do a one off test to see if level 2 charging initially does improve range. Definitely keep doing your tests the way you have been doing them but that one extra level 2 test with this particular car might be very enlightening. Keep up the great work.

[@harry69linz]

Thanks for the video! So ... How many miles or kilometers did you go after the battery showed 0% charge, before you came to a full stop?