Rancilio Silvia Pro vs. Rocket Espresso R58 Cinquantotto | Crew Comparison

[@meyersfarber]

the Rocket is obviously awesome, but at twice the price it's not very compelling to say that its differentiation vs. the Silvia is its build quality; I've got a Silvia that I bought used 18 years ago and PI'd; it'll probably last longer than I do

[@dash182804]

It seems like a huge compliment to the Silvia Pro to be compared to a machine twice it's own price point. Honestly im surprised that the other machine was just barely better. This review IMO is more of a bash on the other machine.

[@billinrio]

Better unload your stock of the Silvia Pro, since once Rancilio's rapid upgrade to the "Pro X model" becomes available, who will want to have the Pro?

[@jeffkellogg76]

My wife and I have owned a Silvia for near twenty years. While I have had to service it over the years , it has given us great coffee shots for many years. I would like to move up to the Rocket unit. I think that it would be the last expresso machine that I would have to buy

[@Kaffeefahrt]

About the timer functionality. The Rancilio can be used with a smart plug. Which outperforms both implementation and is definitely the better solution.

[@SandstormCloudwave]

Same with the Rockets. Just keep the switch at the front in the ON position and have the smart plug handle the rest. Been using my R58 v2 for over half a year like this already.

[@MrArdytube]

Btw, an interesting alternative to a smart plug is “Lora tap” on amazon. This works as a simple remote switch where you have a physical button that remotely turns on the plug outlet. I have this near my bed and easily turn on my Silvia when I wake up

[@MJ-nb1qn]

@@SandstormCloudwave - Just make sure the plug / switch is rated for the current draw. (Sorry old electrician) better safe.

[@annenominous7220]

the trouble is .... non-blind taste testing is meaningless... no matter how hard you try, your expectation bias will strongly influence your opinion, if not flat out dominate it.

[@ronaldsantosjapan]

Diminishing returns is what is really being demonstrated here.

[@farmerandy76023]

Even though the price points on these machines are quite different, I thought the comparison was warranted since the disciples of the more affordable one claim it’s just as good as the more expensive one. This review told me that you can get about the same quality of drink-isn’t that all that really matters-from the less expensive unit. The difference in drink quality would probably be lost on your average Folgers drinker anyway. I love my Rocket but if I had settled on the other, sounds like I wouldn’t have been overly disappointed.

[@canadian_coffe_guy4690]

Great video. Would like to see a comparison between Silvia Pro And Breville Dual Boiler. Closer to same price point.

[@Tonyanagnos]

Don't do Breville dual boiler! Haha

[@natalieharvey6847]

@@Tonyanagnos do you have a reason? Just curious because for some who is more familiar with breville it might be good upgrade

[@Tonyanagnos]

@@natalieharvey6847 Yeah, I repair there Brevile range of machines. The dual boilers have problems when they reach 3yrs and they are not minor problems. The boilers can leak and rust and can cost alot of money to repair.

[@natalieharvey6847]

@@Tonyanagnos ah ok thanks 😊

[@bigglyguy8429]

@@natalieharvey6847 I'm looking at the Silvia Pro because my Breville Bambino just died - after 7 months. Yes I cleaned and babied that thing, but it still shat the bed.

[@Tj-bs6ej]

loving my rancilio pro!

[@duyman8198]

do you think the rancilio have temperature instability? like if you wanna make two drinks?

[@Tj-bs6ej]

@@duyman8198 haven't had any issues with that so far. Been pretty stable

[@Jaroslav.]

Here’s a video from Rancilio answering just that kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIrTm4WDab-YnZo

[@ghas4151]

@@duyman8198 temp. stability on the Silvia Pro is best in class.

[@NY_CharlieC]

Why not just say the prices? These videos are great till you get to the “press the link for prices”

[@alexb2487]

Thanks for this video, enjoyed watching it. A little bit off topic question: got my specialita recently and I dose 18g in about 15 seconds. How did you get 20g in 8? Do the burrs have to "grind in" first? Didn't do any alignment yet btw.

[@johnholmquist9277]

Hi there! The burrs may need some break in time. It can also vary by how fine you're grinding and the roast level of your coffee.

[@kylefurness11]

Did this get better? If not it's probably a burr issue. There's a known issue with new Mignon grinders

[@Anh-Áo-Nâu]

Thanks for the video. Just have 2 questions and i hope you dont mind to help me. 1. Which expresso machine if i need to upgrade from Rancilio Silver X Pro? 2. Between Rancilo Silvia and Nueva Espresso Musica, which one will you have to pick one for yourself? If not the which else do you suggest? Thank you and hope to hear ftom you.

[@Victoria-bl4tw]

I have a Giotto that I purchased from you years ago. Would you be able to tell me what to do to avoid the bitter shots? You mentioned pre and post infusions. Not sure how to go about that. It seems I get more bitter shots than not and has been a problem.

[@dhilliard]

Excellent review - coverage and details across the board… It’s imo what people are looking for from a review. His breakdown was organized and I’m shocked how much better this review was for the R58 in this comparison video than the young lady had done when reviewing the R58 only. She had the height wrong for the R58 in her video… not cool as someone could have taken her for her word for this when buying for their counter height. Night and day difference in reviews from the same company selling and reviewing. Keep this guy doing the reviews please… clearly knows his stuff and enjoys what he does 👍🏼

[@etem1989]

In the last video about the silvia pro, you mentioned that you wished for an rs1 protafilter for the silvia. do you know whether you can use the rs1 protafilters on the silvia and silvia pro? Great video btw.!

[@vangelis13]

Something I don’t see discussed very often on E61 group lever machines is that after you back flush the machine with some detergent the lubricant in the lever will be washed away and the lever will become hard and squeaky. The lever then has to be removed and lubricant applied. I am looking to buy a new HX or double boiler machine and despite all of the E61 group benefits I read this is a major turn off for me. How elaborate is this process of re lubricating the lever and how often needs to be done?

[@Uncompletedrecall]

Seconded. The regular maintenance is an issue for me as well. Ideally, one should dismantle the top of the group head and clean, descale and lubricate 4 times a year. I have stopped looking at E61 machines since. Pity, because I love the look.

[@alemontana9158]

Indont understand what glass it is. I like it! Can somebody tell me please? Thanks.

[@ghas4151]

NotNeutral Vero

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Why not just use a smart WiFi enable plug to enable smart on off features

[@ClayEldridge]

Some machines don't come on when they are first plugged in and they would still need a button press to be turned on. At least that's how my breville is! I wish that Worked!

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@ClayEldridge yeah these more prosumer machines are all mostly analog Silvia is turned on with a switch. but I agree with you I own a breville and it wouldn't work with a smart plug. to prove it you can watch any of the videos on my channel lol

[@snuckyr]

Hi Seattle Coffee Gear, I really enjoy your videos. Any chance you could review the calphalon temp iq espresso machine with grinder? Thanks!!

[@davidfuller581]

The water debit on the Silvia is lower because vibration pumps have a _way_ lower throughput than rotaries.

[@mshez2848]

Nice insightful review, just wondering why you're comparing two machines at completely different price point?

[@johnholmquist9277]

These will likely be our two most popular dual boiler machines, most of the videos we make are to help with customer questions we get. Even at the different price points, we are seeing cross shopping between these machines.

[@fernmachine3778]

@@johnholmquist9277 what? Everyone is comparing sylvia pro to the Apartamento...

[@kylefurness11]

They're comparing two different dual boilers which is fair.

[@jasonstevens6877]

Is there a machine that’s more similar on price to the Silvia Pro that it could be compared against? Comparing it to a machine that’s twice the price hardly seems surprising that the more expensive machine performs better.

[@johnholmquist9277]

The R58 and Silvia Pro are already two of our most popular dual boiler machines, hence the comparison. Keep an eye on the channel for a comparison against the Appartamento.

[@jasonstevens6877]

@@johnholmquist9277 thanks for the reply!

[@coffeem8011]

check out 1st Line Equipment's comparison of the Silvia Pro and Lelit Elizabeth V3

[@MJ-nb1qn]

I’m about ready to pull the trigger on the 58. Would have liked to see a close up of the steaming. Seems I heard you could either remove the tall feet, or replace them with shorter feet, like previous models? Is that true? Thanks.

[@johnholmquist9277]

Hi there! The steaming is on par with commercial machines. Takes a bit of learning because of the two hole design, but I can get the same milk from it that I would on a La Marzocco, Rancilio, or any other machine. The feet are not removable, they are a completely new design from the previous models. Thanks for watching!

[@cliffbeneventi]

Curious what you went with, and how you like it. I'm eyeballing the 58.

[@wolframluchner5316]

The E61 heat up times are way too long imho. For a Home machine that is.

[@kevinspeed3592]

Which would you prefer and why, between the Rocket Appartamento and the Rancilio Silvia Pro

[@johnholmquist9277]

Video coming soon!

[@WillGL]

Definitely the silvia pro

[@WillGL]

The rocket appartamento is overpriced imo, if you want a hx machine i would reccomend the lelit mara x

[@johnholmquist9277]

@@WillGL Not a huge fan of the looks compared to the Appartamento, but I'm obviously biased as we don't carry Lelit, thanks for watching!

[@WillGL]

@@johnholmquist9277 agree the rocket Appartamento is just beautiful

[@renomarioni5144]

Bezzera Magica PID HX vs Rancilio Silvia Pro DB? Similar price points and 🍏 vs 🍊, which would you choose? Brew 2-4 cups milk based product no more than 2 back to back. I’m leaning towards the Bezzera Magica w/PID although its HX vs DB. Thoughts?

[@Jaroslav.]

The Silvia Pro definitely has better brew temperature stability and more minimalist look. But if you don’t care about that and want something traditional, polished and elegant with a bigger drip tray go with the Bezzera.

[@motion5810]

Lol what!? Since when is the pump loud enough to “wake up your whole household”

[@Kaffeefahrt]

Especially considering the noise of the grinder and knock off box.

[@Tj-bs6ej]

Lol exaggeration at its finest

[@SeattleCoffeeGear]

*Cries in their studio apartment.

[@fredwilson1191]

Comparing 2 machines with a huge price difference between them. What's the point of that ?

[@RichardChau]

I think lots of ppl wanna upgrade from silvia to rocket

[@Todd.T]

@@RichardChau I did. And I did NOT want another vibe pump machine.

[@RichardChau]

@@Todd.T may i know your reason for that? Is that got louder and louder over time? Was thinking rocket type v but since you mentioned it i need to rethink

[@Todd.T]

@@RichardChau Sure. Silvia gets louder over time because the rubber vibratory pump holders flop over to one side and don't suspend the pump properly. There is no satisfying low and powerful humming sound like in a rotary pump machine. Vibratory pumps vibrate the machine and everything it touches. The biggest reason is shot quality. I always thought the viscosity on the vibe pump shots were thinner than rotary pump shots and I was right. In a back to back Rocket type V vs Rocket type R shots, the R shots were creamier and more viscous. A friend of mine who roasts says he feels the pump delivers a pulsing pressure instead of a constant pressure. With the PID on Silvia when the boiler element kicks on, the vibe pump drops its rate. With the PID in my Rocket Giotto Evoluzione R, when the heating element is on, the pump sounds like it is slowing down a bit, but the pressure remains constant.

[@RichardChau]

@@Todd.T thank you very much its valuable information coming from a user like you, helps me get the picture, all i want for now is pid and non e61 head, not much choice it come down to Lelit Victoria and Bezzera BZ13, rocket would be my backup choice. Do you thinks its a good idea, how good the build quality is rocket to you?

[@planetfabulous5833]

He's good!

[@dfriendperc]

The Silvia will last much longer than the Breville and is much more repairable.

[@antoniolailsondelima6437]

Hello, good video. I suggest you stay behind the table. It does not disturb the vision. Your competitor already does this, and the result is better. Good luck.

[@nayfonr32]

Sorry but this is a dumb comparison. The Rocket is double the price of the Silvia Pro. It’s like saying why is my Mercedes is better than my Mazda.