Everything Wrong With Helluva Boss S2 E4: Western Energy

[@RandomGameCritic]

My last video was finished about a week before this episode came out, but I just waited until the night before to finally publish it. This video, on the other hand, is actually being finalized at 11:00 PM the night before episode 8 is supposed to come out. The disclaimer at the start of the video was recorded forty-five minutes ago. There have been a few videos in the past where I was really angry in an earlier version of the script before I later went back and changed it. This is the first video where I didn't really have time to rethink a lot of things. The section from 13:41-15:20 was the moment where my intrusive thoughts finally won. Also, I sure hope that episode 8 doesn't make a huge chunk of this video age poorly less than 24 hours after I published it, ha ha!

[@beautifulmanstan8840]

Man... That rant was pretty whack. I get the whole thing about "the show should've better established Stolas' inability to die from normal weaponry"... However, at the same time, I feel like "Stolas got hurt and it's a shock" wasn't really the intention of that line. It's pretty interpretive by nature, I'll grant you that, so here's how I see it. It's simply "oh fuck, yeah, that's right, Stolas can get hurt and die, and I totally just let that shit happen". The implications of Stolas' mortality (and if you wanna get symbolic, Stolas' emotional vulnerability) dawning on Blitzo, after generally seeing Stolas as an untouchable, unfeeling royal dickhead for so long. Could it have been clearer? Yeah probably. Is this all just a massive cope? You decide.

[@moonoftheblood]

7:45 actually, the theory still makes sense. STDs, despite the name, aren't transmitted through sex only, but rather by blood (look it up). Since Striker got in direct contact with Stolas' blood, he might as well have caught the bleep

[@Void100-v3x]

No it didn't

[@RandomsXD21]

Why are you a hater?

[@logannetaylor3156]

I think the rant was a little personal but here's my take on it. I understand where you are coming from but is it cool if we could look at it from Blitzos perspective. Blitz sees Stolas not as just a horny owl but like a god like owl (as seen in Blitzos trip in ep 6) and when people thing of God's they normally think of them as being untouchable beings. So when Blitzo came to the realization that Stolas was hurt, it shattered his world completely as now seeing Stolas (the god owl) in critical condition. This is just my take from your rant but feel free to ignore.

[@KainCarthyst]

I feel like Moxie's "harder" bit is from him bonding with Blitzo and adopting some of his strategies. Kind of like how Mox and Blitz were messing around with the humans.

[@tamarbeker1701]

Yup!

[@bloodybee3553]

I didn't think of that, great observation!

[@NintendoMeister2260]

If they didn't suddenly make Striker a joke and saved the sub plot for a episode that wasn't as serious this episode could've been perfect.

[@Evil_shineee]

Right? I wouldn't take Striker seriously when he comes back at some point I would only remember the statue... Ahg-

[@NintendoMeister2260]

@@Evil_shineee That seems more like something Blitz would do. In fact I betcha this statue thing might've been the establishing scene for some other episode where let's say Blitz uses the money I.M.P has earned to get a statue of himself Moxxie critiques the idea and hijinks ensues.

[@Evil_shineee]

@@NintendoMeister2260 I believe that Blitz already has a tiny statue, of his head xD

[@robbys5236]

Ah, yes. He has a statue of himself. Forget the menacing way he said lines like "choke on your own blue blood" and how he now has motivation for what he's doing. Nope, statue exists. Character ruined, I guess.

[@NintendoMeister2260]

@@robbys5236 No. The statue just seems too senselessly vain for Striker. Plus that statue is part of multiple scenes where Striker is a joke that isn't taken seriously. My problem isn't the statue it's the fact the episode focuses on that and it's a joke directed towards a character that's meant to be intimidating.

[@bellehogel8665]

The thing with Stolas' hand is to stop the waiter imp from refilling the tea. He is indicating he doesn't want more

[@samiam7327]

the t e a

[@mspuff.]

T H E T E A

[@mangle6850]

“So what’s the tea, sis?” “The T E A??”

[@Archiver_Studio]

@@mangle6850 No sis. I asked. What is. The *T E A*

[@moonoftheblood]

7:45 actually, the theory still makes sense. STDs, despite the name, aren't transmitted through sex only, but rather by blood (look it up). Since Striker got in direct contact with Stolas' blood, he might as well have caught the bleep

[@samiam7327]

Striker gonna bleepity bloop

[@RavenStarMedia]

That's my new headcanon.

[@ZephyriumOfficial]

This was actually one of my favourite episodes, but it seemed a little messy, like it cant decide what it wants to be.

[@tamarbeker1701]

It did feel like that at the beginning, but at the climax it did add to the gut punch, so I'm fine with that

[@ZephyriumOfficial]

​@@tamarbeker1701fair enough

[@Marukanitel]

It felt like it was going to be a great episode, it ended up becoming a joke, not to mention character assassination 😢

[@redearslider2576]

DUDE THAT SUPERMAN METAPHOR WAS GENIUS, you literally can't have both the serious scene of Blizo being like "oh he can get hurt" BECAUSE YOU'VE LITERALLY SEEN THE HOLY "BLESSED" WEAPONS YOURSELF, LIKE 😭

[@d.phantomfan1216]

You know what the biggest problem, the show has too many serious episodes and not enough funny episodes. You got to remember the original intend for hell of a boss was for it to be the comedic show while hazbin hotel was the series show. I like it when a comedy can do deep complex storytelling but the comedy should always come first. If you just spread out the serious episodes an added more comedic episodes in the show will be fine.

[@frankkennedy6388]

Yeah, i tried telling someone that, atleast the first Season, should have been your typical comedy show.(Just like the Pilot advertised) They told me that the show couldn't be like that forever. Then I'm thinking: "We're only 12 episodes in, and you already want the show to be deeper?" Back in the day 12 episodes was half a Season.

[@octavianjoseph8633]

​@@frankkennedy6388 Yeah, Not to mention that there are plenty of comedy shows that have managed to STAY comedic for a long period of time. That person you were talking to has no idea what they were talking about.

[@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS]

Yeah, honestly I feel like Viv wanted to do more serious stuff after Hazbin got picked up and this turned into that, since she couldn't put HH out right away. Or, she got so impatient with HH's release that while working on this she turned it into something more serious as a way to tide herself over and feel catharsis for being unable to put out the serious show she ACTUALLY wanted to do from the get go. That's why I think HH will be fine despite the issues we're seeing in HB, but fingers crossed.

[@blazicgd]

ill be honest, the pilot's comedy feels like south park but unwilling to go the disgusting depths SP is willing to go to. i think she's trying to bring that humor back, and it just doesnt blend with her stories.

[@arthurcornelius9960]

Bro I miss the original premise of demon going up to Earth to assassinate. Such a brilliant idea

[@souljynx]

The worst part of this show is that the fans AND the writers forgot that this show was the supposed to be funny side series to hazbin hotel and NOT hazbin hotel.

[@RandomGameCritic]

Yes, exactly this. This show started out as a raunchy, dark comedy that occasionally had some emotional moments, but what the fans want now is a soap opera that occasionally has jokes.

[@RavenStarMedia]

@@RandomGameCritic I think the issue isn't just that the fans want a soap opera now, but that the writing has now pivoted to it so the fans are expecting that. Not helped by Viv now saying that Hazbin and Helluva are two sides of a coin to her now and take up similar headspace for her, which means that the writing staff have likely pivoted from its initial comedy roots and is now trying to be more serialized, but not executing it nearly as well as they could.

[@baibtch]

@@RandomGameCritic It's not even all of the fans fault when they were already settling that into the show, they could've not doubled down, or at least appear to double down but whatever

[@providence1517]

@@RandomGameCritic Oh yeah. This was supposed to be 'The Office', but now we're getting discount 'Bojack Horseman'

[@felixhunter589]

The IMP is located in the pride ring based on the fact that sinners can go to their office, and striker here 4:49 is still riding within the pride ring. But when he hops into that elevator in the mountains and jumps out of a well (now into the wrath ring). If you pause, there’s a sign next to the well that says “out of order”. Implying that this was once another door/access way to travel between rings. Which may bring up the question again about HOW exactly sinners aren’t able to travel between rings? If a sinner went with the path that striker took, would they end up in wrath? And if not what stops them? Idk, to much thinking heh

[@RandomGameCritic]

Yeah, that second point about sinners being able to travel between rings was exactly why I ruled that out as a possibility.

[@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS]

Actually, if you go back in episode 7 and read the billboard at the start, it would seem IMP is now located in the second circle.

[@jakoblent4694]

​@@JediMasterRevenantMADNESSi think rings and circles are 2 diffrent systems Each Ring is a sin but each Ring has circles in it like a onion or a tree

[@OffbrandDTraveler]

@@jakoblent4694And there are only 7 Rings while there should be 9 Circles

[@jakoblent4694]

@@OffbrandDTraveler the circles are in the rings think of it like a tree

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

12:27 Moxxie and Millie didn't call the press but they likely called the hospital to let them know they are coming. Since it's not everyday an Ars Goetia is brought to a lower demons hospital they probably also told the hospital who they are bringing in. And that's how the reporters found out

[@eatatjoe]

I honestly liked the subplot too, and hope the drugged nurse comes back. Hell, if they wanted to, they could have her be the POV through which we see how Sloth works. Also, the joke of Stolas absolutely eviserating Striker's cowboy decor had me laughing for several straight minutes.

[@lightninggear0131]

Yeah .I seeing a mixed bag of reactions to the subplot. I thought it was good. Love the muffy nurse hope she comes back

[@eatatjoe]

@@lightninggear0131 I thought the subplot was cute, and yeah.

[@lightninggear0131]

@@eatatjoe well glad I not the only one. Most people are saying it wasn't necessary and that it should had been it's own episode

[@OffbrandDTraveler]

@@lightninggear0131I honestly really don’t get how one could srgue that Helluva Boss fans can’t expect every episode to be serious while simultaneously saying that a subplot that is inherently unserious should have had it’s own episode

[@kiwifruitbird7]

How they portray Stolas' popularity is accurate, in real life people don't really care what celebrities are doing or going but people really pay attention when there's drama.

[@Lilsilver12]

🤡🤓

[@kaylaHat]

"He can get hurt" was sooo stupid I just wanted to shake the writers and shout "WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!"

[@kurokisaki2556]

Blitzø’s line of “He can get hurt?” Is a reference to episode six where the dream sequence shows in his mind Stolas is too high up to be touched. Stolas is always meant to be saved at the last second or was never in real danger in the first place. That’s how Blitzø thinks. It’s a shock to him not to us

[@isislemons303]

That's a fucking lie and no proof. I am so sick of this fan base creating all these dumbass excuses to justify the show's shitty writing. He has no reason to be shock, he isn't, no one's treating it like one. This line is just stupid, nothing more. Accept right.

[@isislemons303]

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[@Ziggyum]

Let us remember that Blitzo gets frisky with stolas by using bare traps as a sort of BDSM thingy, but the boy Stolas always comes out unharmed I don't truly know but it could be the reason that he asks the question on weather or not stolas can get hurt ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[@avivastudios2311]

The fact that we have to specualre like this means that the series hasn't SHOWN us much about the character. How powerful is he? How important is he? What are all his roles? What is his relationship with his daughter? We've got snippets here and there but not much. There's so much lacking in this show. I feel like I barely know anyone.

[@OffbrandDTraveler]

@@avivastudios2311bf if you don’t know his relationship with daughter that’s just either a lack of memory or a lack of having watched their episodes

[@avivastudios2311]

@@OffbrandDTraveler All we've seen him do with his daughter is apologise to her. That's NOT a relationship! And God help you if you think it is. We need to see them bonding.

[@Springy05]

Another fun EWW for this series as always. To the discussion of this episode, unfortunately I only have one thing, so I cant help much making it go along XD When Blitz's says "he can get hurt?", I think the creators wanted us to remember back at Truth Seekers. Blitz puts Stolas in a pedestal in that episode, and views him like a superior being that cant be hurt or phased. Thats my analysis of that. So when that expectation is broken in this episode, you can feel the pain in his voice, of him realizing "I thought he was a god, nothing would hurt or phase him..." And then this whole argument falls apart when we remember that Viv did not show stolas being a god who cant be hurt by weapons for us to assume that like Blitz XP

[@isislemons303]

No

[@knightmare5097]

Honestly, after doing some extra time rethinking Striker’s character in this series (with a little help from Sarcastic Chorus), I didn’t mind him as much in this episode as I originally did. However, I will miss Norman Reedus’ sexy voice for the character. I don’t mind the new VA that much, but damn was there an aura of intimidation that HMF Striker exuded. Edit: Also jeez. As you started this video about how your previous sins vid came out a little before the next episode came out, after this video was released, the next episode of HB was released a day after. You must have either a mole in Viv’s team or the greatest luck ever

[@RandomGameCritic]

They always announce release dates on their Twitter. Usually it's only a couple of days in advance, though.

[@NoahPopejoy]

When you said in that community post there was a line that made you angry in this episode, I immediately knew it was the "He can get hurt" line. Because it was one of the few times where I immediately noticed AND FELT a continuity error in the show's writing. And it frustrated me because on paper, it could have been an actually really heartbreaking line. But instead, it just... annoys me.

[@bloodybee3553]

The line is a moment of realization for Blitzø. 1: Keep in mind, Stolas, at the start, was treating the whole thing like a romantic rescue fantasy, exactly like he did in LooLoo Land. So because Stolas wasn't afraid, it didn't even cross Blitzø's mind that Stolas could be in legitimate danger. 2: A double meaning with emotions. Blitzø clearly thought that everything he did had no effect on Stolas. This isn't only "Oh fuck he's bleeding" it's "Oh fuck... I fucked up..."

[@isislemons303]

No it's not, stop trying to paint this line as "deeper than it actually is" and trying to make it look like "it makes more sense than you people are making it out to be". No it's not, it's stupid and that's that.

[@bloodybee3553]

@@isislemons303 Mmkay. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with people who clearly don't bother to pay any emotional attention to the show, when the emotional beats are the most important part

[@shiontakanashi]

@@isislemons303seriously dude, you're either biased or just ignorant.

[@odette6761]

@@bloodybee3553well Blitzo clearly did know he was in legitimate danger when he realized Striker was talking, Blitzo smashed his phone and was in anger that Striker captured Stolas. HE CLEARLY WAS ANGRY AT WHAT STRIKER COULD DO, idk why they made this so inconsistent with the end of the episode They really could’ve done this line way differently also it doesn’t make sense cuz the main thing was that he was hurt physically The fact that Blitzo has seen Striker ALMOST HURT STOLAS PHYSICALLY makes this line so pointless and inconsistent Why make this line have a “dEeP eMoTiOnAl mEaNiNg” for Blitzo realizing Stolas gets emotionally hurt too if you can’t stay fucking consistent with the fact Blitzo already KNOWS Stolas can get physically hurt It just throws off the whole emotional hit of that line

[@queeniedramanicole9427]

I didn't expect you to upload this now, but nonetheless, I'm happy. Also, thank you for clarifying the rumor with Erica. I'm shocked you liked this episode and that Spring Broken is your fav! I think this episode is decent but okay. I love Spring Broken and I love Verosika Mayday and her succubus demon crew to death. To be honest, I'm mixed on the "He can get hurt..?" line. It has issues that you perfectly pointed out but I do love Brandon's delivery of it. As for Striker, at first, I was put off by his behavior and a new voice, but after watching Sarcastic Chorus's video on him, I do agree with his take on Striker's character but I also miss how Striker was when he was introduced. I do agree that the show has severe issues when it comes to expectations. I LOVE that you pointed that out. Sometimes, I'm okay with it like how Stella is just a bitch but like this episode, I did expect the tone to be handled but there were just too many jokes when it should have been more serious. Then again, this show is a comedy at the end of the day, but it also has heart in it. So I do think this episode highlights the show's biggest issues, but it was okay for what it was.

[@Rasmus-Adik]

The writing for this show feels like taking a test, completing it thinking you outdid yourself, only to get it back and realize you somehow missed the ENTIRE back page.

[@The_Strawberry_Bagel]

2:08 DUDE! literally as soon as I heard that line I thought "he should use that Deadpool clip again- OH SHOOT" XD. This was one of your best analysis videos yet, and I totally agree that this was the best episode in a long time. One thing I'm surprised you didn't call out was how one of the jokes, were Blitzo is spelling stuff to the nurse, doesn't make sense since it's a very well established fact that Blitzo, cannot spell. Either way, great video as always.

[@harrypotterandthechamberis3]

A lot of people don’t like the fact that the whole Ozzie’s situation was handled with off-screen texts. But I’m actually fine with it. The main problem I’ve had with this show was the fact that it acted like the whole drama at Ozzie’s never happened, and never resolved(I know that in the video he said that too many people have their expectations way too high with this show, but when the most drama filled storyline in the show was never resolved you do kind of get disappointed in one way or another). So the fact that the show just finally acknowledged that that happened, that the drama existed, and that it actually concluded, even if its through texts, is all I really needed.

[@robbys5236]

And it wasn't even "handled" to begin with! There's still a rift between Blitzo and Stolas that can be inferred through the texts and the general atmosphere of that scene is supposed to be "he loves me, he loves me not." Also, the text messages don't really talk about it. It's addressed, but not fully, so who knows what's gonna happen with that?

[@harrypotterandthechamberis3]

@@robbys5236 I only said I was fine with it, I never said it was good.

[@BigBoo-zl6km]

OMG I ACTUALLY BURST OUT LAUGHING WHEN YOU STARTED YELLING ABOUT “STOLAS CAN GET HURT?”💀💀

[@bellehogel8665]

It just occurred to me that they could have tied this into the Harvest Moon episode by having Striker say "tried that already, some dumb imps got in the way" or something when Stolas asks him why he isn't using a holy bullet.

[@bunkieboy3052]

One thing to note, I.M.P HQ is located in the Pride Ring, and so is Stolas's palace. You can tell from the red sky. Also, their business is about taking Sinners mostly as clients. Sinners can only be in the Pride Ring, so it makes sense that their HQ is there.

[@vetortheplaguewerewolf]

13:41 Even I was like " What!? The previous season had an episode where Striker had a gun that could kill Stolas, and Blitzo knew about it. ". One of the few times I i was shaking my head in confusion and irritation.

[@crazycat_4013]

"Damn video came out 3 weeks ago, wish I'd found it earlier" 😂

[@jeremiahwalker3795]

If I had a nickel for every time you posted a helluva boss video on the day before the next episode comes out I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice

[@sadpotatochip5930]

IMP office would have to be located in the Pride ring, since that is the only ring sinners can be in and the company takes revenge jobs from them.

[@DanielleAndDolls]

13:35 DAMN HE GOT SO PISSED HIS VOICE GOT HIGHER LOL (however, I ENTIRELY AGREE)

[@bernardoramos4431]

Don't wanna annoy anyone, but I think that in 4:57, they are actually in Pride, you can see the sky colour change after Striker goes down that old elevator, so I guess that's his secret entrance to Wrath?

[@spinestealer8129]

Anther inconsistency (not exclusive to this episode) is the whole thing with angelic weaponry being the only thing that can kill Stolas. In the LooLoo land episode, there were imps who were trying to kill stolas with regular weapons, nothing special. This was why he needed to be body guarded. Obviously this wasn’t meant to build any sort of tension as it’s not the main focus, and he technically could’ve used the hitmen imps as an excuse to get closer to Blitzo, but it seems more like establishing what can and can’t kill Stolas was more of an afterthought for that episode.

[@sallytheuselessbird]

Normal weapons can't do anythjng to him, and you can tell because he NEVER feels threatened for the whole episode, he just wanted at excuse for blitzo to be there. This is further shown by him turning one of the imps to stone when with Via, showing that he is perfectly capable of handling himself against lesser beings with lesser weapons.

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

I'd say those IMP didn't know regular weapons cannot kill Stolas, which would be understandable. Also Octavia even pointed out they don't need security Stolas only used that as an excuse to bring Blitz along

[@kylergriggs6897]

Now, this may be a controversial Topic or not and I’m just a crazy person. I truly believe Helluva boss is a show where you must take what is implied. Based on that one line from moxie about angelic weapons killing even Demon Royalty made it clear to me that Stolas was either immune to normal ammunition or had a crazy healing factor. And Even I knew that this show was meant to be episodic even if they all link together at some points. As for the angelic stuff, it would not surprise me if exterminators dropped weapons that people picked up off the streets and sold around. Again, I understand your point about using the fans to connect dots, but that is not a bad thing when KZbin is the only place you can find this show. They probably do not have the cash flow yet to bring in Editors and that’s okay. This show is definitely one that I will still watch because I am a fan, but I believe that fans make this show great. Also, did not notice strikers casting change…like at all. Anyway, do with my comment what you will, I just wanted to ramble, I’ll always watch your videos because on top of being hilarious you also bring up amazing points about how this show could be better. Also, I thought that this episode was a lot more streamlined compared to season 2 episode 2

[@fyra_cat2119]

Honestly I fully agree, and I do feel like that specifying the things that werent outright stated but instead implied is why viv does all those interview ish stuff, those are where we learn most of the lore of her version of hell, like how most demons, earthborn sinners and everyone above them, are unable to die except to angelic weaponry, and otherwise just regenerate/reform

[@kylergriggs6897]

@@fyra_cat2119 woah! I didn’t know that little bit, but I admit…it does answer some Questions. That’s great, and I’m glad I could get a comment on this because it makes me feel heard in a fandom that I honestly do not know much about

[@fyra_cat2119]

@@kylergriggs6897 Though even low ranking demons are still very durable, moreso than living humans, hence why the IMP gang survived so long in the DHORK fight

[@kylergriggs6897]

@@fyra_cat2119 Incredible

[@austinreed5805]

It seems like the show may still be stuck in a bit of limbo when it comes to Stolas and Blitzø. However, I feel like the remainder of Season 2 will help progress the show when it reveals more of Blitzø’s backstory.

[@roo1014]

I hope it turns out that we have a *Centaurworld* scenario on our hands here. What I mean by that is the first half of *Centaurworld* Season 2was pretty weak and had noticeable flaws, but then it managed to turn around and save itself towards the end.

[@fukushuu_bara]

just wanted to say, the office is located in the pride ring, because the scenery around the office is red and sinners are only able to be in the pride ring

[@josiahtheawkward6008]

This episode felt like they were dangling keys in front of my face. “IT’S STRIKER! HES SO COOL!”

[@brennathelunalastar7013]

You make a lot of good points about blitzø’s reaction to stolas getting injured. But, remember when we first heard stolas being serious in loo loo land, he sung that song to octavia and blitzø wasn’t there at all. Plus, back in harvest moon festival, he only said that the blessed tipped rifle could KILL stolas, not injure him. I think that he chose those words deliberately because he knew stolas could be killed just not injured. This might be contradicted in an upcoming episode of helluva boss. But, this is just my viewpoint on the whole scene. Anyways, let me know if you agree with this and have a good day.

[@RavenStarMedia]

I was actually really surprised that Spring Broken is your favorite episode! Thought Ozzie's was your favorite since you called it a perfect episode aside from the one complaint. I actually liked Western Energy quite a bit as well, and while I do feel the B-plot dragged at some points I did think it was funny (heck, it actually made Loona more endearing to me after hating her in Seeing Stars). I'd say it's not as good as Ozzie's or Truth Seeokers, but it was a very fun episode. Also, as for the "He can get hurt?" like, yeah, I think that could have been conveyed better, but it didn't bother me too much because I saw it as Blitzo having Stolas on a pedestal and seeing him as capable of being killed in concept, but because Stolas didn't seem to take him being captured seriously in the call, Blitzo didn't think it was serious either. I do definitely agree about the Ozzie's texts as well. It would have been just fine to have them through texts if we saw Blitzo and Stolas writing them, heard a voice-over, saw all the nuance in their facial expressions as they struggle with what to say. That would have been a great way to have all that character development and nuance and not have it just take place off-screen. We'll know in a few hours if Episode 8 adds anything to it but I don't think it will.

[@RandomGameCritic]

Ozzie's was my favorite episode until I realized that it was just a solo episode and that the events of that night might as well have never happened. Even episode 8 won't fix the fact that these events were completely thrown out the window by episode 2 of the show's second season.

[@RavenStarMedia]

@@RandomGameCritic I totally get that about Ozzie's. Knowing now that it didn't directly lead into much kind of sours it. While there was _some_ change to their interactions in Seeing Stars, the problem was that _it wasn't enough_ given what happened. Okay, so Stolas doesn't call Blitzo "Blitzy". Their interactions in SS were how I'd respect them to interact if Blitzo just told Stolas he was being too flirty and Stolas relented. But for an argument where Bltizo accuses Stolas as seeing him as nothing more than a living sex toy, there needed to be a bigger sense of fallout to that.

[@YashesLP]

7:27 I was genuinely starting to think I was the only one hearing/seeing that because I couldn't find a SINGLE comment about it (most were either about "he can get hurt" or the texts) and you're the first content creater I follow to even bring it in passing.

[@Akavampiretwins]

god i cannot WAIT until you cover the new episode.

[@Mechy_Grimm]

this was my favorite episode, the ending makes me cry everytime just because of that song

[@isislemons303]

Missed a sin for Striker being treated like a joke in this episode.

[@Mental1244]

I like how during the end scene moxie rushes to help blitzo up because in murder family blitzo screams at moxie for not helping him

[@arceloth]

I think the reason why Erika Lindbeck hasnt appeared is due to a massive controversy in the Persona fandom, as she was bullied online for asling people not upload videos of an AI Maruki voice (who was voiced by Billy Kametz in the english dub of persona 5 royal)

[@RavenStarMedia]

That happened a few days ago. Why would episodes written over a year ago be affected by something that happened a few days ago?

[@depressedcakke3877]

1:28 think he’s blocking his teacup and motioning to tell the imp with the tea kettle to not pour. So he doesn’t want more tea. I think. Unless I misunderstood this sin then just ignore this

[@hehhehhehheh-wn7zz]

This episode had missed opportunities. Even for new/casual viewers, in an episode were Stolas, Blitz's love intrest gets kidnapped, you'd expect Blitz to save him and interact with Striker again, at the vert least so people can remember they are rivals.

[@zachary58512]

The real sin here is how Striker isn't by Norman Reedus anymore

[@kawaiicrossing5047]

The whole scene where Moxxie is beating up those imps at the gas station and Millie asking the imp meriachi band where Striker was could've easily been fixed if they just switched Moxxie and Millie's roles.

[@Bombsquad0413]

I'm one of those fans who, even if there's crap in whatever show/franchise or whatever, if I like it, I like it. Not saying the haters don't have fair points, I just like it, faults and all.

[@lightninggear0131]

I been feeling like this lately. I see helluva boss hate for what I like and I think it's way too much

[@angeldevil4life]

@@lightninggear0131because the shows not funny man i think the reason i liked it in 6th grade is because it feels like its written by a sixth grader

[@lightninggear0131]

@@angeldevil4life but it is funny

[@isislemons303]

No it's not

[@angeldevil4life]

@@lightninggear0131 not to most ppl most ppl think its trying to hard to be something its not

[@Airy_host]

“ how do we keep making each new villain more unlikable in the last? Wait I know *INSEST* ” -funniest shit I’ve ever hear

[@jeremiahwalker3795]

13:41 That was intense and I could really feel the emotion

[@LyssaJo-dw3mx]

3:36 Yeaah, about that…

[@Aaron17988]

HELLUVA BOSS - UNHAPPY CAMPERS // S2: Episode 5

[@thatrandomguy_yt8443]

1:28 If you actually do care, pretty sure Stolas did that to shoo the tiny imp from refilling his drink when he put it down, as in every other instance the imp would immediately fill the cup after a singular drink.

[@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996]

This comment is addressing Sin #9, where Stella was so confident that she wasn't going to get hit by the bullet inspite of it almost getting her between the eyes. That brought up an interesting point in my head: let's say Striker did succeed in killing Stolas and Stella kept her end of the bargain and paid him for it... what's stopping Striker from also killing Stella? This episode highlights just how much he hates Hell's upper class, so what's stopping him from killing Stella after he kills Stolas?

[@RavenStarMedia]

Probably because Striker's real beaf is with the higher-ups on the Goetia's level and higher. Stella's upper-crust, but not Goetia level of royalty.

[@MobKillerAnimations]

One thing I did notice at the end of the petals is counting them. 3 petals fall. And if you put that in Blitzs love for Stolas they read as.. He loves me, He loves me not, He loves me. Maybe it's showing Blitzs true feelings for Stolas or I'm reading to much into it, or it could be the opposite order I put it in and the saying is "He loves me not, He loves me, He loves me not" I think it's the first one that I had cause it does show at the end that Blitz does somewhat care about Stolas.

[@boglarkarebay]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees issues with the ‘He can get hurt?’ line. It doesn’t make sense for Blitz to say this after it was established that he was worried for Stolas’s safety at the beginning of the episode. Most fans say that it can be interpreted as Blitz not being aware of Stolas’s fragelity emotionally; that he thought he never cared for him, and whatever he might have said to him previously didn’t affect him at all, so this episode has finally opened up his eyes. I think that’s a very compelling aspect of this two characters but. Man. This really wasn’t the right execution for this to be addressed. 🥲

[@antk8493]

Man, the newest episode really broke everyone's hopes

[@RavenStarMedia]

You mean how S2E5 tried to give Millie character development but shoehorned in a trait she had no indication of having prior and Moxxie was self-obsessed to a degree he never was before, right? I loved the episode as a whole in terms of events but they really had some flaws with Millie and Moxxie's character portrayals.

[@drivingduck2234]

19:29 well that aged well... We now have an exemple of blitzø being a bad father...

[@harrypotterandthechamberis3]

I mainly agree with your statement that this show is peak when it leans on the less serious and more on bloobalooby. And I’m glad that I’m not the only one who thinks that Spring Broken was the peak of helluva boss.

[@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS]

Yeah, your criticism here is pretty right on the money. I still love this show, but it definitely is dropping the ball and not developing in a way that's satisfying. Season 1 I still say is good despite what you say. Season 1 is definitely better than season 2 so far. I still think you're wrong about season 1, but when it comes to season 2 it definitely hasn't turned out how any of us had really hoped, and I think a lot of the hardcore fans are in denial about the issues at hand. They almost roll with whatever gets put out a little too easily. I'm not typically a harsh critic of something either, but I could never be such a die hard fan that everything is flawless no matter what. Viv has promised us about 2-3 more episodes this year if I'm not mistaken, and I hope after that they actually take a break and really rethink where they want the show to go and how they're going to get there, cause it's getting harder and harder to give it a pass just because its an indie project, especially when they keep getting big names attached and it's becoming more and more surface level indie bordering on mainstream. It almost feels like Viv wanted to do her serious show, but since that got picked up by a real studio and had to be made differently, she couldn't wait for it to be released and ended up turning her side project into a mashed up frankenstein of what she wanted to ACTUALLY do because like a lot of us, Viv has severe ADHD and is hyper fixated on her main project, even if something else that she's doing is a completely different plot/story. It's why I still have hope for HH, because that show's being professionally done with a studio to help along the way. And while Viv and the crew can do good writing, they lack the focus and consistency to make this what it SHOULD be.

[@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS]

And like you, I at first just wanted entertainment. Somewhere along the lines that changed, but I will definitely be lowering the expectations. Which is kinda disappointing, cause the show did have promise. Flaws, but promise. And I'm still a huge fan who'll never turn my back on the show, but I'm done apologizing for my own criticisms. I criticize BECAUSE I love this show.

[@zuri1286]

4:57 the imp office is visible because he still in the pride ring as we see the background changes to when he wants to the wrath ring I honestly know you not gonna see this but i just wanted to point it out

[@lemoncheeks4752]

Personally I really liked the “he can get hurt” line Blitz says, because it shows Blitz’s idea of Stolas change. in the episode truth seekers it’s established that Blitz sees Stolas as this all powerful being, so I think it makes sense that the idea of Stolas getting injured would come off as surprising to Blitz. So I feel like the revelation that Stolas could get hurt was not to be a big shocker to the audience but to establish how Blitz views Stolas. I think if Viv showed how Stolas reacts to getting injured by normal weapons it would have added to the impact of the line since it gives the audience a frame of reference. The line still has a lot of issues I’m not denying that but i still think it accomplishes a clear shift in Blitz’s and Stolas’s relationship, again specifically in how Blitz sees Stolas.

[@Lilsilver12]

🤓🤡

[@POOKESEE]

Idk, I saw the little snap he did when he missed millie by an inch as a little smug “Aw shucks…anyways!” Cuz he had the impression he was still going to kill millie, but yea,..something tells me he definitely didn’t mind making millie watch him choke out her husband,

[@POOKESEE]

He was def aiming to decapitate millie there, also how the hell is his tail so strong are all imps tails capable of picking up whole great swords and axes

[@INTERNECION101]

​@@POOKESEEwe did see Blitzo throw striker with his tail in strikers debut, despite that animation not making much sense because that would mean blitzo's tail would have to pass through him but even then

[@POOKESEE]

@@INTERNECION101 I mean yeah, but until I see other imps use their tail like striker has I’m gonna be asking him for his tail workout routine cuz DAMN

[@avivastudios2311]

I think you're right about people's expectations. The writers just didn't live up to the what the viewers wanted for the show. It's a little unfair that the audience would get so mad at the creator, it's not like Viv can read our minds BUT when people give you criticism you still shouldn't respond the way that Vivzie did. You've got to listen to what the audience is saying. After all, you wouldn't be famous without them.

[@isislemons303]

Ong, but unfortunately expecting Viv to understand that is like expecting her to actually be good at her own job.

[@breezesmelody703]

can I point out that it is also implied that when stolas and blitz are together, their.... kinks get a bit on the dangerous side and blitz had said something about using 2 bear traps in their intimate moments? he may have thought he couldn't get hurt based off of that

[@beautifulmanstan8840]

This episode isn't that great, but I was still able to derive a significant amount of enjoyment on multiple watchthroughs, so I can't really be mad. Like you said, it's just... Fun. That's more than I can say about episodes like Seeing Stars...

[@yeoldendummy7304]

4:56 striker just left the pride ring. Pride is where the IMP is located because in episode one Mrs. Mayberry hires them. As we all know, sinners can’t leave the pride ring, thus proving, IMP is in pride

[@ilikespaghetti4458]

4:48 1. IMP is located in pride, you can tell by many background details including the color of the sky (red), every ring has a different color, wrath is orange. 2. Stolas was in pride when he was kidnapped and the scene you're pointing out with Striker and the IMP office is while they are still in pride, literally right after that you see them travel to wrath via elevator I believe

[@Ch4dyd4dyavragangeldustnjoyer]

1:58 *angry kiki noises intensifies* (one of vrosikas members and all of them have names )

[@CairoOmar39]

4:54 I'm pretty sure striker is riding through pride and that well he breaks out of was an alternate entrance to Wrath. That's just how I interpreted it though

[@breannameriweather5060]

Wait, I thought that they did explain stolas' role in hell? In the episode where they gave the backstory to stolas and blitz's first meeting. They explained that his role was going to be leading his own legions and using his grimoire to acquire knowledge from the stars. He essential was born with three jobs to birth a precautionary heir, gather knowledge from the stars and constellations, and lastly to pass on his knowledge to his legions and his daughter so that she could continue his work. There is a ton of inconsistencies in helluva boss though I see it. I think they just need help with organizing the information that they want to get out to and also with organizing their lore and plot points.

[@breannameriweather5060]

I guess that they just want you to assume that he is important because of the powers we see him use? as well as the one time we see him ring in the harvest at the imp festival that he went to?

[@magnificently-cursed]

i feel like the reason this episode infuriates me and other helluva watched is cause it is REALLY good but has the potential to be GREAT which ANGERS ME TO MY CORE, istg, i guess i'm just happy the writing has improved for season 2.

[@Columbina_Dove]

The thing I dont get is, If the press and everyone else knew Stolas was kidnapped, where the heck was Octavia? She's his daughter- she would have been the first to get to the hospital or at least the first notified!

[@moxstoleyoursocks2241]

I’ve learned to love both filler episodes for their zany plots, and lore heavy episodes for their drama as someone who tried to watch Steven Universe as it was running, so really, there is no way to go wrong here. …I hope Fizz returns. His episodes are the best.

[@Haley_Halo]

Darn that KZbin! Not notifying me till 3 weeks later 😂

[@moriarty1243]

I think that M&M called the hospital to let them know they were bringing a pretty injured Stolas to their care so they could prepare for their arrival, and probably someone part of the staff told the media. The doctors swarm outside directly to the van and opened the door, so they knew very well who was inside

[@The_Strawberry_Bagel]

Wow! I wasn't even expecting this for another week or so! A great surprise!

[@henriquemedranosilva7142]

4:47 Tbf, the fact that blitz was talking with a probably random mentally impair person instead of moxie changes a lot how the word would be taken

[@KindredKay]

I honestly think you're strong feeling for this episode despite it being one of your favorites shows how much you actually care about it

[@alexmfs]

The I.M.P office has to be in pride, since sinners are able to travel there. Also, stolas would most likely identify striker quickly so I.M.P probably didn't tell stolas

[@supersunshine1023]

21:26-22:19 I feel like the way eps come out could be the cause of this too. I know that bc it’s indie it has to take time to come out, I’m not saying they should rush or hating on them bc animation is hard work/takes time especially when it’s indie. But at the same time when they set up so many plot lines + recurring villains that so many fans get invested in but the eps release so slowly (Or in ep 8’s case, delayed to a YEAR bc of copyright), you end up with fans who are so invested that they ended up relying on fanfics and stuff so they may end up being disappointed when the official eps come out. It also makes a situation where if people get disappointed with Strikers return for example, fans can say “Well it’s only the 4th ep of S2!” but at the same time while it technically is, Striker’s last appearance was like TWO YEARS AGO, so to some it feels like the eps should be more. But I’m not hating on Spindlehorse for this bc it’s not an offical tv series, but it is what it is I guess

[@radicalgal]

Crazy how episode 8 of season 1 is out now

[@fyra_cat2119]

"We've never actually gotten confirmation on which ring of Hell IMP's office is located in" Doesn't it have to be pride? cause one of the main things the office is used for is for sinners to purchase hits on people (which we even see done in the first few episodes), and sinners are stuck in pride right? (IIRC)

[@RavenStarMedia]

Yup. It has to be in Pride or sinners couldn't go there.

[@WHOS-LEAH-2024]

Tbh if striker was treated like an actual villain in this episode it would make the show 10x better but they treated him like well what i can only assume sir pentious will be like: the joke villain the villain that isn't really the Villian and just shows up sometimes, really wish he was a larger part of the plot

[@quicksilveryt4000]

As someone who doesn't really adore this show as much as it's biggest fans, I halfway agree. I enjoy this show, but don't have expectations or hype For new episodes so I can't really be dissapointed. Best of both worlds!

[@chloekalt570]

Glad I'm not the only one who saw Stella and Andrealphus' relationship and interactions as being incestuous. Also we see Striker break Stolas' phone, so WHY THE HELL DOES HE HAVE IT AT THE END?!?! That just bugs me a bit

[@CrownedLime747]

1:29 I think he's waving off the imp to tell him he doesn't want any more tea.

[@trappedjesus432]

Honestly, I can respect this. It brings up many good points and I can see the process as to why the points were made. I think we as fans tend to forget is that sometimes a show is just that, a show. It's a medium for entertainment. It all boils down to whether you have fun or not. Now I believe things would be made easier for the fans if the show was just more clear with what it wanted and what it provided with it's episodes. It seems like it's promising more then what's being shown and that creates a disconnect with everyone on some level. Now that's not saying a show has to be serious all the time but their are many episodes where things simply fall by the way side in a way that makes the whole story feel like an after thought. Some episode can be mindless slice-of-life entertainment and that's perfectly fine, but be clear that's the case so we as fans don't have unrealistic expectations. I think that's fair.

[@JessicaTereSings]

So anybody else just feeling like the perfect blend here because like I feel like because I’m part of the fandom I’m happy with whatever she puts out because like if my theories aren’t right my theories aren’t right but the same time I have no expectations so as long as I’m entertained I’m happy but because I’m part of the fandom I’m always entertained

[@HelluvaOpp]

What’s the lesson we learned? Striker was actually a waste of our time. Also why didn’t Millie just DODGE the axe that was being hurled at her, or just pull a Rules of Nature on the axe and hurl it back at Striker?

[@axolotlfairy2473]

Fun fact: That “random background character” at 2:00 is actually one of the artists sonas! They belong to Sam Miller/Probablyfakeblonde!

6:09 In the Looloo Land episode Millie (after being terrible at the shooting stand) headshot a guy who was clinging to Stolas.

[@quesproductions7170]

The reason i dont like the B plot is because of how shotty the A plot is. I would enjoy the doctor visit if the team used the time they gave themselves effectively. But no, they did everyone dirty with this episode. 1. I think you said you dont look at the social media, but Vizie and the team had teasers of Andrealphus for a while. Hyping him up and revealing his design. Then you get to the episode and hes seen for 2mins and is...incestousus. like, no lie, the week the ep dropped i saw 2 redesign videos, 3 alt personality posts, and more. And i don't blame them, 2. The ending scene goes hard, but ive seen videos bring up Octavia. Where was she? Why did Stolas text Blitz first and not his daughter? If him being kiddnapped was a big deal why is she with her mother? I mean she HEARD her mother put the hit on her dad, she was at the dinner table. But...at the same time...she also blamed Stolas for ruining the family with his affair. Weird...does she want him gone? 3. And speaking of, the texts. Sk many people dragged the off screen growth. Those text messages garnered a million hate-review views themselves. Im not saying i hate the text messages, but i didnt read them. If i wanted to play CLUE to find lore i would go to my fnaf corner.

[@TheSoulArchitech]

It's funny to me that your least favorite line in this episode is my favorite in the whole show lol

[@santiagobarreraruiz7280]

also ngl while i dont really like the episode as a whole i do feel like the A plot and B plot could work separetely (even tho you should still keep the B plot a B plot and make millie and moxxie do an errand on sloth or sonething) BUT together they feel so diferent and random that it drags the episode a lot, and this isnt even counting the ending

[@PKPlague]

4:48 Regarding this sin, he's going through Pride rn, but then after reaching the elevator, is he THEN in Wrath, proving that I.M.P is in Pride

[@wearenumberone1111]

he secually transmits censorship

[@palomaroggeri8680]

1:28 he’s telling the imp that he doesn’t need to refill the cup