Everything Wrong With ADDICT (Music Video)

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@RandomGameCritic
@RandomGameCritic 11 ай бұрын
Wow, that comment about Lucifer aged poorly. As annoyed as I am that the Hazbin Hotel pilot is being selective with which parts are canon and which aren't, I still should have kept in mind that a pilot episode is nothing but a proof of concept that is always subject to change. I'll take the L on this one.
@Admiral_Baby_Man
@Admiral_Baby_Man 11 ай бұрын
You’re not the only one that got confused. Especially when Husk mentioned him being forced to stay at the Hotel due to Alastor. It seems like the pilot is canon in some ways but not canon in others which is weird, but whatever makes the creators happy ig.
@melodystarlight7933
@melodystarlight7933 9 ай бұрын
@Bootyball_Jones The events are canon but the specific details of what words they used and what their voices sounded like and what they looked like isn’t canon.
@melodystarlight7933
@melodystarlight7933 9 ай бұрын
But I personally think Charlie’s song Inside of every demon is a rainbow, is canon because it wasn’t as good of a song as all her other songs in the series but that’s mostly because she was singing so fast and about so much while trying to convince people and being stressed about convincing them. Did you see how she got distracted and stopped singing to say “uhh… sort of…?” in her song Ready for this when Susan asked her ”you mean like human flesh”? I think she gets distracted easily and was trying too hard and that’s why the song is so much at the same time and isn’t as good as the other songs in the series. Cause it wasn’t because her voice was bad, it sounded awesome! It was so much and I think she learned from the interview and talking to Adam a bit more about getting through to people with songs. The song wasn’t too much and I’ve had it stuck in my head for at least a week now but she did show that side of her from the Inside of every demon is a rainbow song when she went “so who’s with me? wouldn’t it be super to see more of hell? join up now if you like travel! come on boys, hop in the saddle!” so clearly she hasn’t changed too much but she clearly learned something and showed that in the next lines when she got more into why they should follow her while still being more upbeat and loving her idea but also using more fancy/old words to speak to the old timers better. “lotta sights to see en route to my hotel, not to mention the camaraderie. yessiree, you’ll form life changing friendships with the folks along the way.” Wow this is long. I didn’t realise that I wrote so much 😅 I could write 800+ word essays about Hazbin hotel and not even realise lmao. If you actually read this whole thing, I’m sorry about it being so long. If you didn’t read it all, then you’re not seeing this and I can’t tell you anything. Have a happy day in hell everyone!
@onceuponahair20
@onceuponahair20 8 ай бұрын
@@melodystarlight7933 wow that was long
@biteco4146
@biteco4146 4 жыл бұрын
thats an actual thing i was concerned about,there are so many comics with al being goofy,nice,loving and caring that people may even forget how te actual character really is,same with lucifer
@cyberx.mp4
@cyberx.mp4 4 жыл бұрын
I am extremely concerned for that because of all the fanart and misinterpretations of the characters, Hazbin Hotel will end up dying. There are so many people making their own fanfics, comics, character roles, and more (example Lucifer and Alastor), that they're ruining their original essence.
@biteco4146
@biteco4146 4 жыл бұрын
@@cyberx.mp4 i forgot how much of an asshole alastor was until i re watched the pilot
@theslendynet404
@theslendynet404 4 жыл бұрын
Thats why Im not into the fandom.I do like the show,but fans can ruin it sometimes.They are in hell,there is a reason why they aint in heaven and its because they werent nice amd goofy people before their death.
@biteco4146
@biteco4146 4 жыл бұрын
@@theslendynet404 yeah,they make these fanfics and comics where they're goofy and love each other theyre all assholes
@theslendynet404
@theslendynet404 4 жыл бұрын
@@biteco4146 Yeah I was thinking if making mine own animated show but now Im scared of peoples reactions,I dont want others to change stories whit fanfics or even ship some characters.
@call_me.lerina3959
@call_me.lerina3959 4 жыл бұрын
"WHO THE F*** HURT MY ANGEL" the got me, i burst out laughing
@melted_pistons
@melted_pistons 4 жыл бұрын
“Comedy first, with actual drama later on” why do you think The Office is so loved? They did exactly that
@lusweetie6009
@lusweetie6009 4 жыл бұрын
He said it was a good idea
@kellerweskier7214
@kellerweskier7214 4 жыл бұрын
i dont find The Office funny. at all. its just a bunch of camera swerves and shots with people making faces. every time it comes on, i go 'wope, here we go....'
@voidfulunarxecularity8726
@voidfulunarxecularity8726 4 жыл бұрын
Theres 666 likes and im too scared to ruin it
@justa_randomfailure6250
@justa_randomfailure6250 4 жыл бұрын
@@voidfulunarxecularity8726 i ruined it, you’re safe to like now
@sprucesoultree3833
@sprucesoultree3833 4 жыл бұрын
@@CRAutist I've seen it and what he said was pretty accurate.
@TakingThingsLiterary8902
@TakingThingsLiterary8902 2 жыл бұрын
See? See?! SEE?! When it comes to fandoms and media, this is the exact kind of thing I worry about! I'm so glad to see other people noticing it too. It's a very valid criticism that needs to be addressed more in series like this.
@akiraohalloran
@akiraohalloran 4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Viv made it clear in the live streams that the characters and angel specifically had tragic back stories. Such as angel getting a black eye from his father's abuse. I saw this type of tone coming however I agree that it may have came a little early. In saying that Viv has stated multiple times that whilst fans can do whatever they want that won't change the story that she has already written. So I don't think there is anything to worry about.
@brandonb15
@brandonb15 4 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me where she said Angel got a blackeye from his dad plz?
@akiraohalloran
@akiraohalloran 4 жыл бұрын
@@brandonb15 It was in either one of her interviews or live streams. I've watched almost all of them so I couldn't tell you which one😅. If it's any help she made an animatic 5 years ago with angel dust being drunk and getting mad at his dad (I'll see if I can link it for you)
@akiraohalloran
@akiraohalloran 4 жыл бұрын
@@brandonb15 here you go for the animatic kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJKYZ4iNqq-Up5I
@persephoneweiss8851
@persephoneweiss8851 4 жыл бұрын
Or is it;-> Please do'nt murder me:)
@psychobreak730
@psychobreak730 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@robinmontgomery9160
@robinmontgomery9160 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with everything you said here. The issues of needing to pace themselves with the character development, and the extreme fanon-canon ratio, kind of have Viv and the team between a rock and a hard place. Because while the show clearly would indeed be better if they slow down and peel back these character's layers only after better establishing the baseline, there's also the issue of the fact that production of this show is naturally going to be rather slow and the fandom will _certainly_ beat Viv to the punch. And if the fandom develops the characters faster than the source material is willing to, it waters down the impact when the canon finally decides to hit on the topics everyone's already thoroughly explored. Even worse, we start running into problems with the canon material not lining up with too-well-established fanon interpretations, which fans tend to have problems with for some reason. In an ideal world the solution to this dilemma is simply output content faster, but not sure how realistic that is.
@iselljams6468
@iselljams6468 2 жыл бұрын
i think viv is doing exactly that however with the new series helluva boss which i think os genius in a way this gives them time to create the backstories and character development of the hazbin characters while also keeping the fandom occupied with helluva boss and the characters from that series i think they are doing exactly what you recommend releasing content faster except its another series
@eldritchteletubby9319
@eldritchteletubby9319 2 жыл бұрын
@@iselljams6468 I know this comment is old, but I love the implication that the team is literally just distracting millions of rabid fans with a less important series so that they'll all shut up. To be clear, I think you're completely correct, it's just hilarious that Viv is trying to keep a bunch of people occupied with a less important show in the same way that I keep my dog occupied with a paper towel tube while I get her dinner ready.
@sabrinaduckett5057
@sabrinaduckett5057 Жыл бұрын
In response to your last statement, I thought that too, but I also think that we are generally too-fast pace and need to slow down, but that's hard to put into practice when we're the ones sitting and twiddling our thumbs waiting for content we're really excited for, only to soak it all up too quickly and demand more, still.
@ThatGurlXD-ti6zr
@ThatGurlXD-ti6zr 4 жыл бұрын
1:48 I love how he went from *i hate this guy* To: _I have adopted Angel as my son_
@Iloveyousmx00
@Iloveyousmx00 4 жыл бұрын
¥_¥
@micro11.
@micro11. 4 жыл бұрын
*angel dust real name is anthony*
@babybun2197
@babybun2197 4 жыл бұрын
@@micro11. hang on what?!?
@micro11.
@micro11. 4 жыл бұрын
im serious
@micro11.
@micro11. 4 жыл бұрын
not lying
@bernavillegas9729
@bernavillegas9729 4 жыл бұрын
One thing, the vid doesn't depict Angel as a complete "I need help, and hugs." At the end, the final dark verse, Angel kinda snaps at Charlie when she tries to help him. He doesn't seem sorry, he seems more interested in whatever else. Idk I just liked that ending bit
@brandonb15
@brandonb15 4 жыл бұрын
I think that when angel and cherri start dancing is all a dream because in the backgeound you can see "This was all a dream" on the wall if you look closely. So after the flash of white I think it's him dreaming.
@RandomGameCritic
@RandomGameCritic 4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't find that anywhere.
@brandonb15
@brandonb15 4 жыл бұрын
@@RandomGameCritic It's when they're running out of the building they blow up. On the right wall. It's very fast so u gotta pause it quickly. 👌
@RandomGameCritic
@RandomGameCritic 4 жыл бұрын
@@brandonb15 Holy shit you're right! That's really interesting...
@brandonb15
@brandonb15 4 жыл бұрын
@@RandomGameCritic Indeed. ^-^
@k.r.jrandomchannel8022
@k.r.jrandomchannel8022 4 жыл бұрын
I almost commented the same thing lol Watching this for the first time I thought "wait, why would Angel blow up an aquarium?"
@cyberkinetic4342
@cyberkinetic4342 4 жыл бұрын
Your comments about the imbalance of fan to canon content were really interesting and yeah it's really important that we remember alastor is a manipulative mass murderer and not a quirky deer daddy, because it can be REALLY easy to get caught up in the fun of it and have it cause a little... Blur, if you get what I mean
@sharktenko267
@sharktenko267 4 жыл бұрын
1: alastor canonically has a moral compass 2: Lucifer has already been stated multiple times to be silly and goofy i honestly think you guys are missing the point of the show
@omnerpanzo2226
@omnerpanzo2226 4 жыл бұрын
@@sharktenko267 1. Whether Alastor has a moral compass or not, pilot introduce him as a dangerous and powerful demon overlord, mass murderer and manipulative. Vaggie warns Charlie sternly that to never enter a deal with him or else he would destroy everything they build for. 2. Being silly and goofy doesnt make you a good dad. He`s toxic and doesnt support his daughter. You forgot their identity, that`s it. Dont be carried away by fandom comics and skits.
@rokkfel4999
@rokkfel4999 4 жыл бұрын
Ohm Pz I agree with you for the most part but I could also see him being less not taking care of her and more having to take care of her cuz oh yeah he’s a overlord ...with a nemesis that is in a triumvirate.....so he’s gonna have to protect his soul investments and such.....but yeah not best person but that can change like idk....his redemption is that possible?
@omnerpanzo2226
@omnerpanzo2226 4 жыл бұрын
@@rokkfel4999 Most of the overlord we see on the pilot are hanging around doing whatever they want. Heck, even Alastor who devoured/defeated a lot of overlords is doing whatever he wanted. So, I doubt Charlie's father is busy to the point of neglecting his daughter. He, too, is doing what he wants. Come on, its hell. The whole redemption thing are pointed towards demons who were once lived as humans. Unless lucifer is a former human, I doubt about his redemption or something.
@rokkfel4999
@rokkfel4999 4 жыл бұрын
Ohm Pz hes a funny a fallen angel I meant more as in he makes yo with Charlie not go back to heaven
@RandomGameCritic
@RandomGameCritic 4 жыл бұрын
So, I've been getting more and more people telling me that I'm completely wrong about Five Nights at Freddy's. And I don't think that it's just fans being fans. It really seems like FNaF has actually gone in exactly the direction that Scott Cawthon wanted. Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of FNaF, so it's very possible that I was completely wrong about the 'fandom taking over' thing, and I apologize for that.
@crashboxsinofstars2865
@crashboxsinofstars2865 4 жыл бұрын
(I don't know if its cannon or right) the stripper thing is supposedly is supposed to represent Angel Dust's and Valentino's relationship (I don't know what type) the smoke was the smoke from actual Angel Dust aka Phencyclidine , Which motives Angels to keep being in the toxic relationship Cherri is slowly breaking the "Bond" by getting Angel away from Valentino's heavy grip and if you look at Angels neck and wrists it shows the smoke blown from Valentino smokes goes to directly to thoses spots 0:52 to 1:00
@JFKJones
@JFKJones 4 жыл бұрын
Tbh, it really does seem like the storyline of Fnaf was just made up as time went on. I agree completely with your point on that.
@dayandnightcore8244
@dayandnightcore8244 4 жыл бұрын
i acctually left the fandom so idk either-
@bwgiraffe3105
@bwgiraffe3105 4 жыл бұрын
@@JFKJones that's how you lure a customer, and keeping them to the franchise. with FNaF community so big, it is a win to win for both parties (Scott and comms). Even if you gonna call it chaotic, both the dev and community get the benefits. That's how some franchise works, imo
@unchartedraider7547
@unchartedraider7547 4 жыл бұрын
@@JFKJones Scott actually taked about it. He is the one who did all this things.
@lovettandtodd4eva
@lovettandtodd4eva 4 жыл бұрын
I see and understand your concern, but this has been planned for a long time. Angel has always had a tragic backstory. Abusive family, abusive pimp, and him using drugs and reckless behavior to abuse himself. It's always been the case. The pilot only showed the facade he puts on for everyone and himself. He's a victim, but he doesn't want to be viewed as one.
@kesna8
@kesna8 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, actually a common defence/coping mechanism
@robinmontgomery9160
@robinmontgomery9160 4 жыл бұрын
He's not saying that the change of tone is out of character, just that he thinks the show should wait longer before exploring it, or else you risk burning out these characters far too early
@XMewMoonLightAkitaoX
@XMewMoonLightAkitaoX 4 жыл бұрын
@@robinmontgomery9160 I think it was rushed out due to the hate Hazbin was getting over the show being so "offensive" and "childish". Viv wanted to show that these characters have way more on their plate than we think.
@batgh0ul
@batgh0ul 4 жыл бұрын
So I hope to actually see that in the show, not just hear Viz saying it.
@47ratsinahoodie
@47ratsinahoodie 4 жыл бұрын
@@XMewMoonLightAkitaoX I think the impatience of certain fans and people claiming Viv just made Hazbin to sell merch and never do anything more with the show could have also added to ADDICT being put out so fast, as well as all the traction Silva Hound's videos were getting at the time. A lot of people were asking if it was canon.
@lunamationss
@lunamationss 4 жыл бұрын
OMG ITS MY ART AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AT 4:21 SUPER COOL! 😆😆😆😆
@RosesArtChannel
@RosesArtChannel 4 жыл бұрын
"I found this art on accident." Yeah. Uh huh. Sure you did. Suuurrree.
@ratboy2
@ratboy2 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that was the point.
@ma_sumi
@ma_sumi 4 жыл бұрын
@Xoxi really?!? You're kidding!!
@rosegaster9826
@rosegaster9826 4 жыл бұрын
The profile pic makes this comment so much better
@bigclitenergy
@bigclitenergy 3 жыл бұрын
@@ma_sumi lol
@bigclitenergy
@bigclitenergy 3 жыл бұрын
@@ratboy2 bruh
@kamisamakuma6110
@kamisamakuma6110 4 жыл бұрын
First off: This was a riot, thank you so much! Second: It's always so strange watching content for this show because I have contentedly remained on the outskirts of the fandom since the very beginning. I discovered HH about four months before the pilot released and even then, I did the bare minimum research on it because I am not one of the people who gleefully gobbles up just any content I can find on something. Alongside that, I feel a bit weird saying this, but because I studied media in school (and also because I have also remained on the outskirts of the other two online fandoms you mentioned as well), I've gotten a pretty good eye for certain things. Interestingly enough, despite all of the comedy in the pilot episode, the Addict video was what I was actually _expecting_ from the show. I know plenty of people aren't super perceptive with the media they consume, they just want something they can enjoy (so do I, _god_ so do I), so I'm not talking down on anybody for possibly NOT expecting the show to have this tone. Addict was just exactly what I was expecting, especially for Angel Dust's character, and I was ecstatic when it dropped. Not because it confirmed any of my theories or anything like that, but simply because it gave me what I'm _expecting_ to get further down the line: Character development in a _character_-driven show. So long as HH doesn't end up like most of the animation of the last decade, I'm totally on board with it. If it derails into world-building and fandom nods, I'll be perfectly content to throw it on the garbage pile and never look at it again. Simple as. Basically, thanks so much for the main video and for the discussion after it. This was a treat.
@Falcon-doing-doodles
@Falcon-doing-doodles 4 жыл бұрын
welp, time for me to do a comment! ok, to start I think the point of addict was to tell us more about angel, not say he's a good person, or even an ok person. Pornstars, prostitutes and sex workers of any kind are *VERY* likely to face abuse in their, well, line, of work, so this is a unfortunately very realistic portrayal of what angel's life would be like. Second, this solidifies both cherri and angels friendship as well as angel's reason for going to the hotel. Cherri tries to help Angel by them indulging in destroying things that remind him of what he had to go through. Angels motives for going to the hotel are simple: working for Valentino meant he lives in the porn studio, and Valentino lives there too. Angel doesn't see it as a safe place, so the hotel is his way of escaping, in a sense. Third, this song *is* kinda about about them doing this because "screw it, we're in hell", its just not for the reasons you might think without the imaging. The indulge to escape from the past, which is what most people do with drugs or destructive behavior. I do agree that it might be too early for something like this, and I would like to see some more solidifying of characters to remind the fans that these aren't little baby's that need to be protected uwu (I legitimately hate myself for that), but this does help the show in some ways, and it's going to make fans more interested in Cherri Bomb, since she didn't have a huge role in the pilot and is normally overlooked in the cast of characters, despite being Angels best friend, so that means that wee can have more of their interactions in the future, which will help the characters develop even more. All in all, I'd give this video a solid 9/10. I don't understand all the complaints, but I understand where they're coming from.
@blazicgd
@blazicgd 4 жыл бұрын
o someone already made the point
@rumpalug
@rumpalug 3 жыл бұрын
The guy who made the video said that it's fine to have dark stuff LATER DOWN THE LINE. The pilot was full of comedy, and with this song being loaded with dark stuff and dances, it's too early and gives whiplash.
@Falcon-doing-doodles
@Falcon-doing-doodles 3 жыл бұрын
@@rumpalug as a made this comment about 9 months ago, I think I can now say I do agree with you to a point. It does feel a little jarring, but at the same time, it also helps highlight some of Angels destructive tendencies and his friendship with Cherri. So, pros and cons.
@frabbitdoesadab
@frabbitdoesadab 11 ай бұрын
"Lucifer being an Apple Daddy.." Episode 5: "Uh... about that..."
@David-jw1xs
@David-jw1xs 4 жыл бұрын
Isn’t the point to having a fun upbeat song with the dark backstory to show how Angel is putting up a facade? Also, I think the part where Angel and Cherri are dancing together is more symbolic than actual plot. It shows the message of them being friends and comforting each other, and contrasts it with how Angel felt before meeting Cherri. Actually, all of the dancing scenes might be symbolic. It doesn’t have to actually happen if it’s not a flashback, I think.
@oliviamorales9406
@oliviamorales9406 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah you're right, the dance moves have a lot of subtle meanings behind them, especially in the opening scene where Angel is at the strip club. There was a video done by one of the storyboard artists for Addict explaining the meaning behind his movements and facial expressions, in which Angel is subtly giving off his hatred towards Val but he's hiding it in a way that makes it look like Angel is just dancing in a seductive way. One example was when Angel says "F*ck being a sober hoe" he bites his thumb which at first glance looks a normal dance move, but in reality he is actually flipping Val off, but he's making it look like it's part of the show. Btw the biting the thumb is a reference to Romeo and Juliet, because apparently that's an old fashioned way of flipping someone off.
@WhatRemainsofNovaJames
@WhatRemainsofNovaJames 3 жыл бұрын
@@oliviamorales9406 can you link the video please?
@oliviamorales9406
@oliviamorales9406 3 жыл бұрын
@@WhatRemainsofNovaJames Sure, btw it's a mix between a dance tutorial and also an explanation on the meaning behind the dance moves thkzbin.info/www/bejne/pWXOgYCFltqdapY
@vitozd2001
@vitozd2001 3 жыл бұрын
@@WhatRemainsofNovaJames also everything that happened at the last dance was Angel's dream
@geeswithane7yrago303
@geeswithane7yrago303 3 жыл бұрын
But he’s really right about the last part if theyre not careful this show might go to shit from fanservice and how careless they are with distancing canon and fanon
@DBansheeM
@DBansheeM Жыл бұрын
5:17 it's also the moment where we get even more scenes that portray Angel in a position that clearly implies if not outright says rape and I don't know what exactly we should be feeling because we were just in a scene where everything was fine they were singing happily and blowing shit up for fun we had smiles in our faces and then boom: tragic moment of abuse The shift is obviously done on purpose but it can be kinda weird Love the angsty scenes tho, don't care about inconsistency as long as there is that drama juice
@brojd4308
@brojd4308 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with literally almost everything. My few issues come from 1: Angel dust and every character can have really depressing back stories and still be assholes. No good character is black and white in personality. Plus its a bit of representation in a way. I thought how Viv handled angels backstory was done wonderfully. And 2: This video is more character development. While slow, Viv is adding character development to her characters
@sharktenko267
@sharktenko267 4 жыл бұрын
actually im pretty sure it was stated by viv that we have only really seen a mask that angel puts on
@rokkfel4999
@rokkfel4999 4 жыл бұрын
shark Tenko that....actually makes more sense since he’s been abused and sexually abused .....huh
@cussundriakneal9904
@cussundriakneal9904 4 жыл бұрын
This isn't how you do "character growth" or develope "character backstories". Release the episodes, and give us the in scene moments of Angel having flash backs or even explaining what he has gone through. Not a music video, no matter how wonderfully well made it was.
@shaunvanderheyden1446
@shaunvanderheyden1446 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah not gonna lie it's a good idea to flesh out characters once the show has actually started because it wares out characters. After all it is a comedy sketch and is intended to be fun. I am not saying a show doesn't need character development, I'm saying it takes time and yaknow... When there's actually something to kick-start the growth
@Snackaboy
@Snackaboy 4 жыл бұрын
5:26 How in the hell a human being Can talk that fast
@Pepb1TheCan
@Pepb1TheCan 3 жыл бұрын
Hes Secretly Eminem Lol
@angelalghul
@angelalghul 4 жыл бұрын
I think you can have a Angel dust be the victim in all this but he also still could be the jerk of it all because of how he’s been treated with Val
@pedroian5964
@pedroian5964 4 жыл бұрын
A character that for the people he meets along the way is a jerk and for other that already knew him is actually very insecure.
@angelalghul
@angelalghul 4 жыл бұрын
Entidade 302 yes
@sharktenko267
@sharktenko267 4 жыл бұрын
the "jerk" personality has pretty much been confirmed to be fake
@redpanda6497
@redpanda6497 4 жыл бұрын
Also his family was the mafia so he could never learn the way to be good. His father was abusive who never paid attention to him. If you read the prequel comic you will notice Charlie is the only person who was kind with him and that's one of the reason he went with her. The whole "crappy hotel" thing was a mask he pulled on even for Cherri to show he don't want to be redeemed while it's not true. In the end of the comic he sounds like he gave a chance to the redeption, same with the music video's ending.
@sharktenko267
@sharktenko267 4 жыл бұрын
@@redpanda6497 actually its pretty much confirmed that he actually tried to get healthy with help from his sister before he died due to overdose
@kheidinpaulson628
@kheidinpaulson628 3 жыл бұрын
"Who the f*ck hurt my Angel?" RIGHT after talking about unobsessed he is! Nice touch. XD
@tiffaniwisemore2872
@tiffaniwisemore2872 4 жыл бұрын
you're 10000% right in the end. As a strong Huni Cast fan, I have to constantly remind myself that their live streams are nothing but that, LIVE STREAMS, and that all the fan art and comics and what-not should not change my perspective on the actual characters, evil people who ended up in hell for one bad reason or another (tho that may change later on) for now, that's all they are
@fantasyc_tsf7150
@fantasyc_tsf7150 4 жыл бұрын
yeah! agree! fanart, comics, fanfics etc. are just headcanons and smth people love to draw/write/see and these have nothing to do with the canon. Always separate one from another :)
@Bee-tn4tf
@Bee-tn4tf 4 жыл бұрын
viviz: angel love fish. baxter: panic
@joyamaihe9187
@joyamaihe9187 3 жыл бұрын
This deserves more likes
@highwaysbreathing
@highwaysbreathing 3 жыл бұрын
@@joyamaihe9187 agreed
@RebelGirl0309
@RebelGirl0309 4 жыл бұрын
I think that you’re maybe missing the point, I’m a victim of abuse (my dad physically and verbally abused me, he did NOT sexually abuse me) we do put up personas that we don’t let slip, I for instance always acted cheerful and happy and I would always help other people with their problems rather than my own. But at the same time behind closed doors everything crumbled and I would act a lot like Angel does in the video with crashing things and showing vulnerability, but unlike Angel I did not have a friend to support me in this, and if you remember the pilot Angel Dust says “I owed my girl buddy a solid, isn’t that a ''redeeming'' quality? Helping friends with stuff” plus the scene after they get back to the hotel where Angel makes a joke and then tries to comfort Charlie but ultimately gives up on it... also there are posts on the official character Instagram/Twitter accounts that show these things to be parts of the characters yet to be explored. I’m not hating just trying to clarify some stuff... hope that was ok?
@mjlover1801
@mjlover1801 4 жыл бұрын
What does your abuse or the fact that abuse victims put up masks have anything to do with what was said in the video? Cause a lot of your comment came across like "I suffered from abuse, except I didn't have the support that angel does; be sad for me." Everyone understands that Angel is acting a certain way because of his abuse, sure. But he also enjoys being a bad person. He enjoys drugs, and being provacative and sexy, and he enjoys destroying things sometimes. Some of it might have been done as a response to his abuse, but it's likely developed to the point where he legit enjoys the chaos now too. So your comment just came across as a shameless way for you to talk about your own trauma, which is pretty sad.
@RebelGirl0309
@RebelGirl0309 4 жыл бұрын
Gary Barlow, sorry if it came across that way, I didn’t have a reason for mentioning that... I just simply did. I’m not looking for people to feel bad for me since all of that is over I just simply mentioned it because when I was writing this everything just flowed and I just didn’t realize how it sounded since it was like 02 in the morning for me and I went to sleep afterwards then just really didn’t think of reading through the comment, I just simply mentioned that as a abuse victim that that part of Angel resonates with me and is in fact done accurately, hope that clears things up. Thanks for the comment.
@simonesellers5736
@simonesellers5736 4 жыл бұрын
@@RebelGirl0309 Don't listen to him sweets. Your comment didn't come off like that so you're good. And I understand what you were saying about the show, so I do thank you for commenting what you did. It was nice to see another perspective on it. Stay safe love!
@RebelGirl0309
@RebelGirl0309 4 жыл бұрын
Simone Sellers, thanks! It makes me glad!!
@simonesellers5736
@simonesellers5736 4 жыл бұрын
@@RebelGirl0309 No problem love! ^ ^
@saharafortner4177
@saharafortner4177 4 жыл бұрын
3:55 “I’m in danger.” Hell yeah you are XD.
@austinreed5805
@austinreed5805 4 жыл бұрын
It’s interesting that we get Angel’s backstory. While Alastor may be more mysterious, it is a common mystery at this point. Angel’s story isn’t wanted as much by fans which makes it more fascinating. Besides, Vivzipop did, once again, a fascinating job with this song.
@Kull1339
@Kull1339 2 жыл бұрын
To answer the rain sin, it's because it wasn't raining, the explosion hits threw a bunch of water into the air then came down. You can see just after the explosion it rains then moments later stops. *Sin counter ding*
@inksansandtheaucrew3506
@inksansandtheaucrew3506 4 жыл бұрын
“Who hurt my Angel?” * cocks gun * Oh my god I died at this-
@Helicopter7
@Helicopter7 3 жыл бұрын
Ok.
@bonniefazman9065
@bonniefazman9065 2 жыл бұрын
Me though: Gather the troops boys, we got a cockroach to stomp to non-existence.
@varisamastacia7879
@varisamastacia7879 2 жыл бұрын
angel is preciously ... corrupted
@starrlinqs
@starrlinqs 4 жыл бұрын
3:40 the thing is in one of the animation touch up live-streams for hazbin (where some voice actors do suggestions and stuff like that) micheal proves that he can sing in angels voice so i don’t know why he has so much auto tune in addict.
@makenzee5979
@makenzee5979 4 жыл бұрын
1:56 Am I the only one who died of laughter like dude calm down 😂🤣😂
@mackyrakin3916
@mackyrakin3916 4 жыл бұрын
IKR 😂🤣😂🤣😂
@kesna8
@kesna8 4 жыл бұрын
Dude it was my response too
@blue_wasptwt1622
@blue_wasptwt1622 4 жыл бұрын
That's was me to be honest ;-;
@cgv9234
@cgv9234 4 жыл бұрын
🎶that's the joke🎶
@lucygacha1327
@lucygacha1327 4 жыл бұрын
Wait bakugo ur a villain now?! Not that surprised as you would seem to be a very cool villain!
@K.Marie119
@K.Marie119 4 жыл бұрын
3:06 Uh, no... the scenes aren't really clashing. Cherri is nursing Angel through a detox after going on a bender... only for him to go right back out and do it again. They're flashing back and forth to sort of symbolize the cycle of addiction. The party scenes and detox scenes are two sides to the same coin. So they're quite appropriate to be mashed together.
@kaprincess09
@kaprincess09 4 жыл бұрын
You forgot a very important sin...Angel starts with red nails in the very beginning of the video and then every other time his nail polish is gone. HOW DARE THEY. On a more serious note I agree with you regarding the fandom potentially influencing canon. It's happened far too many times where shows, franchises, etc. will change certain plot points or characters in order to better suit what they believe the fandom wants, rather than what would be better/make sense for the story. One of the examples I like to use is the RWBY fandom. They thought they had Blake and Yang get together because of the fandom and then tried to do the same with Qrow and another character, even though Qrow's whole thing is that he is unlucky and needs to work alone. Sometimes fans need to remember their place, obviously creators do like their fans (for the most part) and want to make them happy, but at the end of the day this is a story THEY have made and that they are choosing to share with US. We don't get to influence the canon, and we really SHOULDN'T be able to. A few cute references to things the fandom likes would make sense (kinda like an A113 or a piece of fanart appearing in the background) but it shouldn't be something that would influence canon.
@graceserenity8348
@graceserenity8348 4 жыл бұрын
As a member of the RWBY fndm, I can say that's 100% true. Even the voice actors for Blake and Yang were VERY vocal about making their precious ship canon. The fan base completely ruined the show. Not to mention the animators for the last volume are part of the reason we now have this Qrow and Clover mess (Some animators admitted to animating Clover flirty around Qrow because they thought it was cute.). Rooster Teeth is to blame too for pandering to the toxic fans. I'm not even sure how long the company is going to last. They've made some stupid decisions and they ruined their star show. On a more serious note, I do hope Viv doesn't give into the toxic fans. Everything regarding fan stuff and voice requests during the live streams is for fun. While I don't doubt that there are fans that forget that the characters aren't good people, I don't think those kind of things will influence the show. At least, I hope they don't. The only thing we can do is wait, continue to support Viv and her team, and hope she doesn't let the fans get to her and influence her story.
@ghost2890
@ghost2890 4 жыл бұрын
DUDE THAT MADE ME SO UPSET THEY DROPPED YANGS WHOLE BEHAVIOR BECAUSE IDK CAT WIFE OR SOMETHIN sorry the show just had so much potential and they kinda fummbled it beyond repair
@theresivy
@theresivy 4 жыл бұрын
rwby and miraculous were both heavily influenced by the fandom in the worst way and its honestly sad
@barbclapton8679
@barbclapton8679 4 жыл бұрын
*SHHHHHHHHHH*
@idontdiscriminateihateever6017
@idontdiscriminateihateever6017 3 жыл бұрын
Super fucking late, but personally, I think that's what Valentino and Vox relationship is. I think it was something the fans wanted so Viv was like, okay, yeah.
@walmartreject_
@walmartreject_ 2 жыл бұрын
also i might add if you actually started from the start of the video, you would see that angel has panted nails at one point, but only at that one time because we never see his fingers painted any other time in the video
@lachlanhartshorn2777
@lachlanhartshorn2777 4 жыл бұрын
It has been confirmed that Hazbin Hotel is coming to TV/Streaming service
@i.d.k504
@i.d.k504 4 жыл бұрын
will it still be on KZbin
@mithril5155
@mithril5155 4 жыл бұрын
@@i.d.k504 Probably.
@TheTramp_
@TheTramp_ 4 жыл бұрын
Where
@kennedywalker1915
@kennedywalker1915 4 жыл бұрын
Elaborate if you can!!! I’d love to know more!!
@mithril5155
@mithril5155 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheTramp_ Search it in Twitter. It is.
@yatofollower_honeypie
@yatofollower_honeypie 4 жыл бұрын
"WHO TF HURT ANGEL" ....litteraly same reaction i had
@VillainsRule2004
@VillainsRule2004 4 жыл бұрын
In terms of your concerns about the fans changing the show, Viv has said in the past that she's fine with people doing stuff with her characters BUT that isn't gonna make her change the show, secondly Viv has said that Angel specifically is gonna have the more emotional story within the show and that this music video is intended to give us a peek into Angel's complexities which will be explored later down the line within the show itself, also Viv has said that Angel is a character that she put the most work into and that she based Angel and Val's relationship off of her own experiences with being in an abusive relationship, so yes Angel having this tragic side to him was what Viv always intended, the Addict MV is meant to give us a peek into that, also Viv did say that we are gonna delve into most of the major character's backstories Also I might add that this video wasn't telling us that "Angel's a good person" it was telling us "There's more to Angel than meets the eye" basically giving us a first peek into the layers of Angel's character, also he can be a victim of abuse while still being an asshole, most likely this asshole persona is just that, a persona, a defense mechanism he uses to hide his pain and to keep others from getting close (y'know the old saying hurt people, hurt people) and the only people he lets get close are Cherri and his own pet pig EDIT: Also in regards to the last comment you made in the video "fans and only fans ate it up" it kinda rubbed me the wrong way as it gave me the impression (That may not have been your intention but that's just the impression I got) that you think Viv added in the darker elements of the music video JUST to please fans which is not true as I stated before this was meant to give us a peek into Angel's layers as a character and his struggles NOT to pander to fans who like to woobifie Angel and as I said Viv always intended for Angel to have this tragic side to him and the fact that Angel is a huge comfort character for her as she used her experience with being in an abusive relationship to make the basis of Angel and Val's relationship and it shows in this music video and most likely part of Angel's arc will be to get out of said abusive relationship, and in terms of tone for when Hazbin becomes an actual TV show I honestly think it's gonna be in a similar vein to Bojack Horseman (which Viv is a huge fan of) where it mixes in character drama with elements of comedy EDIT 2: Just wanted to say sorry for the essay length of this comment I tend to do that if I have a lot of thoughts on something, but one last thing I want to talk about is the tonal issues between the pilot and music video, there was a bit of complaining that the pilot has some problem with it's tone mostly the fact that it has quite a bit of slapstick comedy and a lot of raunchy humor but still wants to tell a serious story, an example of this being having the mostly comedic limo scene BUT having the tone immediately switch to serious once we get to the Hotel somber music and all, that's not to mention the scene of Charlie calling her mom being completely serious, even you have to admit that can be a complete whiplash for a casual viewer, so it seems that once Hazbin becomes an official series Viv is gonna prioritize character development and story and have comedy be a secondary element so it doesn't become completely depressing and to me this music video is sorta giving us a peek into the kinds of serious stories and topics the show is gonna delve into (Here's a video that talks about this, which Viv actually put into her personal playlist on her channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/romufpx4rtJmrqM )
@bennyoc714
@bennyoc714 3 жыл бұрын
4:41 Inaccuracy Spotted, Blob-fish only look like blobs out side of water
@aceofspades138
@aceofspades138 4 жыл бұрын
I really love the tone shift, since Hazbin Hotel is about redemption, and therefore must be heavily character-based. The whole reason that I got into Hazbin Hotel in the first place was that I enjoy redemption arcs and character-based shows. If Hazbin is to focus on redemption, then heavy character-based stuff is inevitable. To pull off a redemption arc, a character must be shown to have motives for their actions, remorse over said actions, somebody pushing them to be better, and something to set the stakes higher/make it harder for them to be redeemed (ie: ongoing bad situation, addiction, peer pressure, the sentiment "one more time wouldn't hurt"). Motives can be heavy, as can the things that raise the stakes. since Hazbin takes place in hell, everyone (save Alastor) will probably be in an ongoing bad situation, and will need to make the decision that drives all redemption arcs. the choice between the mentalities of "I suffered, so why shouldn't you" and "I suffered, but you don't have to.". it is possible for Hazbin hotel to be both a comedy, about redemption, and have heartfelt and/or heavy moments (think "The Good Place"), but when dealing with redemption, it is impossible to remove the heartfelt and heavy moments. sincerely, a girl obsessed with redemption arcs and character analysis
@frozenfoxgames5300
@frozenfoxgames5300 4 жыл бұрын
0:30 He works for Valentino, he does whatever Val says.
@mammon8683
@mammon8683 4 жыл бұрын
*People starts to target at you Instead of Valentino making more sympathetic compared to what your video about on Poor Angel*
@lukedanielgalon1596
@lukedanielgalon1596 4 жыл бұрын
for me how describe valentino to the fans perspective: bloody makarov.
@derpydevilolidk
@derpydevilolidk 4 жыл бұрын
@Luke Daniel Galon what does bloody makarvo mean?
@Amyyyyyyyyyyyyy
@Amyyyyyyyyyyyyy 3 жыл бұрын
@@lukedanielgalon1596 true
@musashixiii7115
@musashixiii7115 4 жыл бұрын
6:09 Scott Cawthon actually wanted to make FNAF a three-chapter game, a little story that he came up, start-middle-end, simple as that, but when the third game came out, he realised that it wasn't complete, so he had to do put much more effort into the next games, not getting out of the storyline.
@orrinfreemanva1992
@orrinfreemanva1992 4 жыл бұрын
I'm really glad you brought up the Fanon vs Canon thing for Hazbin. I personally have been trying to not create my own head canon based on fanart, because I have faith that Viv has already created great characters and knows what she wants, so I really hope Hazbin stays true to that.
@Miwi222
@Miwi222 3 жыл бұрын
8:45 Alastor's reaction to that is always amazing
@matureenough34
@matureenough34 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your critiques. They’re the best ones to come out regarding Vivziepop’s stuff thus far imo.
@linkinlog8543
@linkinlog8543 4 жыл бұрын
Mature Enough his critiques are done right. Highlighting parts that he likes but also parts that he doesn’t like or seem confusing. It’s constructive criticism done right!
@captainflowers748
@captainflowers748 4 жыл бұрын
@@linkinlog8543 it’s wasn’t that hard to understand
@UndeadNerdT800
@UndeadNerdT800 3 жыл бұрын
5:50 you also forgot to mention how smash bro’s was game that was meant to be fun to play but the fans took over and it turned into a game where your most wanted character makes it in.
@Detective_asparagus
@Detective_asparagus 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I like the idea of these characters having backstories, but it still shouldn’t cover up what they do. Example, Nagito Komeada is usually seen as a “UwU victimized little cinnamon roll” when I’m reality, he’s still fucked up and a character that was meant to be chaotic, he’s not supposed to be a character that’s a sweetie pie. That’s how I feel about Alastor and Angel. No matter how everyone portrays Alastor, he’s still a monster. While Angel can have a troubled backstory, Angel is still meant to be a horny asshole. I don’t get how characters that are supposed to be chaotic turn into “UwU babies”. I’m not saying you can’t portray these characters as troubled characters, but you can’t completely fucking that they’re literal demons
@justyouraveragewhalecat4946
@justyouraveragewhalecat4946 4 жыл бұрын
4:04 I mean it's hell what did you expect
@andreagrant8726
@andreagrant8726 4 жыл бұрын
No. Wait! There is a detail in the club where it shows that this scene is a dream. Yes, its valid reason to say that there is a divide between this time and the beginning. It makes Angel's situation a little more sad, because he never stuck it to Valentino.
@phoebemoon2796
@phoebemoon2796 3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with the imbalance. I have a story myself I’ve worked on for years, dissecting characters and their flaws, making them characters people can love, and I haven’t even begun creating that fictional world and yet my friends and even I see my characters as less than what they truly are. Some are actually extremely strong, but get boiled down to a precious baby or something like that, so it’s helpful to get a dose of reality often about the world you’ve immersed yourself in
@woodywas4549
@woodywas4549 4 жыл бұрын
Oh my, finally a video that neither shits on HH, naither praises it like it's flawless. I really liked what you said at the end, and honestly, that's what entirety of this fandom needed to hear. I really hope that Hazbin Hotel will turn out great, especially because this idea has a fuckton of potential. In the end, no matter what happends, this fandom will be probably always in my heart (just like Fnaf, Undertale etc.). Especially because Hunicast Streams actually interested me into voice-acting (And I know that it's a case for many other people). And also remember, stay safe out there^^
@carolinapinheiro9915
@carolinapinheiro9915 4 жыл бұрын
its so true about the fans and contect , thanks for expressing that and lets wait for the things that are yet to come
@neorenamon
@neorenamon 4 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that everything in this song was a prequel to the pilot. In that way, it all makes sense. The relationship with Valentino that Angel Dust really wanted to get away from so he decides to allow himself to be recruited by Charlie and Vaggie even though part of him doesn't want restrictions on his sinful behavior. That's just a theory... A Music Video Theory. Thanks for watching.
@basilecostes6733
@basilecostes6733 4 жыл бұрын
Well, thank you for this video, jokes apart you helped me understand why I was feeling a bit uneasy the first time I saw addict, about how we perceive angel. I also hadn't realized how a fandom can influence that kind of show, but as you I wish nothing but good things for the future of hazbin hotel
@jaspergamez_5453
@jaspergamez_5453 4 жыл бұрын
Hey! That Alastor in a T-Shirt picture was mine!~ I never thought anyone would ever use it to be honest haha. Funny story it was a commission request for me to do.
@aleksandralaisk7805
@aleksandralaisk7805 3 жыл бұрын
I hope I remember correctly here. I think Viv said during a live that she has a clear thought about what is and isn't canon and the fandom won't change that so I don't think we need to worry about that part too much.
@gachaspaghettinoodles9347
@gachaspaghettinoodles9347 4 жыл бұрын
love it! i feel bad for you tho, having to do the "I love this, time to put it on full hate mode" and how much angry fan stuff you may get... good luck @RandomGameCritic ! you might need it...
@GachaliaNatalia_YT
@GachaliaNatalia_YT 8 ай бұрын
2 and a half extra sins: 1) During the beginning of the str*pper scene at the start, it cuts between Angel having 6 and 4 arms very quickly with no explanation 2) In the scene before they start dancing, Angel is in a red dress dress. That is the only time we see that particular dress. It immediately cuts to him back in his suit and then moves to the scene of him getting dressed. 3) And third, half a sin since I don't notice details like that and can't tell whether it happens more than once, but after Angel and Cherri begin to walk out of the club (while they're still in it) both Angel's eyes have white sclera when the one on the right is supposed to be black. Don't come for me-
@maximusegh2309
@maximusegh2309 4 жыл бұрын
I am apart of the hazbin Fandom but I'm not one of those dumbass people who love the show to an unhealthy degree I think all the points you made are correct and should be though about by the people who make the show and the fans who watch it Keep making great content
@derpydevilolidk
@derpydevilolidk 4 жыл бұрын
@maximus egh I agree I love hazbin hotel but the fan how have a unhealthy relationship with the pilot are making it seem like a UwU land and are making the characters the seem good people and that’s what kinda bothers me about it :/
@maximusegh2309
@maximusegh2309 4 жыл бұрын
@@derpydevilolidk yeah
@sharktenko267
@sharktenko267 4 жыл бұрын
@@derpydevilolidk the whole point of the show is to show that demons are not nessaserily bad people just people who did bad things, thats the whole reason charlie created the hotel to begin with to prove that a demon can be a good person even if they did bad deeds in the past
@derpydevilolidk
@derpydevilolidk 4 жыл бұрын
@shark Tenko oh sorry but thanks for telling me this
@MarcyVA
@MarcyVA 4 жыл бұрын
4:29 wait? Angel and I actually have something in common? Awesome! Because I also really like fish.
@HAXAD
@HAXAD 4 жыл бұрын
The animation from the Pilot was decent but it was something made to atract more investors and animators. This brilliant animation is what the final product will be broadcasted on TV.
@kimchic0re
@kimchic0re 3 жыл бұрын
Who paused the video just so he could breathe while talking fast
@intiparra3583
@intiparra3583 4 жыл бұрын
Just a small spelling mistake I found in your video: 7:48 the word "second" is spelled wrong. In your video it is spelled "secone"
@RandomGameCritic
@RandomGameCritic 4 жыл бұрын
There is also one sin where the counter doesn't go up. But this thing was really obnoxious enough to make, and I also wanted to get it out before the next hunicast stream. But yeah, there are probably a _couple_ small mistakes in this video.
@amyrosadohtf8414
@amyrosadohtf8414 4 жыл бұрын
@@RandomGameCritic I love when you said "WHO THE F*** HURT MY ANGEL??" 😂😂😂👌
@ExtraSillylilguy
@ExtraSillylilguy 3 жыл бұрын
2:46 this was originally meant to be a fan song but viv liked the idea of the song, that’s why chi chi voices cherry instead of krystal
@gooseypuckoosey
@gooseypuckoosey 4 жыл бұрын
I understand the concerns with Hazbin's future, and I'm a little worried as well. Having such a personal relationship with the fans like the actors and creators of Hazbin do can, even accidentally, start to have some consequences, but I also kind of get it too? Okay, so, Vivzie has had these characters for a long time. Years. She definitely has a detailed head-canon about every one of her character's backstories, needed character archs, relationships, ect. And as a fellow "oc creator", I guess, I can see how it's difficult to keep from letting too much information out too early on. I mean, she already knows them personally, so I imagine she would want her audience to feel the same way, and really connect with the characters, even if it's at a pace not well suited. I'm sure I'm way off, but that's how I see it.
@joyamaihe9187
@joyamaihe9187 3 жыл бұрын
Naw, I think you’re pretty spot on. Totally agree with that.
@Goji_OL
@Goji_OL 2 жыл бұрын
0:32 angeldust is basically being forced to be a pole dancer by Valentino for his club
@gtickno2946
@gtickno2946 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciated that you took time in your first video to thoroughly talk about criticisms, and I appreciate that you did the same here. There are some good points made, especially about mischaracterization of Alastor (I find it refreshing when I find fanfics and such where he is being a genuine sadistic asshole because it keeps me reminded that he is supposed to be a horrible person like that) However, I disagree with Angel being a victim of abuse being out of line for him. My interpretation is that he has all this abuse and as a result he starts being an absolute jerk to everyone. Push everyone away keeping them from getting close to you, make jokes at everyone else's expense, and squash your emotions only letting people see an assholish "i dont care" attitude. So I feel that both the victimisation in Addict and his behaviour in the pilot can co-exist I also don't feel that the video was being influenced by the fans to take a different direction than Angel's story was supposed to take. I don't have hard evidence sources, just vague memories of hearing something somewhere sometime, so take this with a grain of salt. But from what I've picked up, Viv does seem to have put the most thought into Angel's background specifically, and he was meant to be an abuse victim numbing his pain with drugs and hiding behind a mask long before the pilot released (Again, sorry for the lack of sources. I hate making unbacked up claims) Overall I do hope that the fandom doesn't end up spinning things out of control (I can kind of agree with the FNaF thing having gotten into it when only 1 and 2 were out, and then seeing where it has ended up now)
@armerdoggo6604
@armerdoggo6604 3 жыл бұрын
At 1:32 you can find the same dude from the hazbine hotel pioltet in the back ground
@roofogato
@roofogato 3 жыл бұрын
Travis?
@wafflegod6141
@wafflegod6141 4 жыл бұрын
See, the dancing and dressing up bit I think was meant to represent how they are partying and not caring, it’s their buzz, their addiction. It’s not showing any more bad memories because they’re lost in the buzz, their pure happiness and craziness.
@marackermann2787
@marackermann2787 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t remember where I heard this, but Angel Dust was actually created before Hazbin Hotel was fully planned out, and according to the source, he was meant to be a trauma character that uses sarcasm and sexual tendencies to mask his pain. It’s true that the fandom can manipulate the creators, but for now, according to the info we have, we don’t have many signs that this will happen.
@mialucilas.1031
@mialucilas.1031 4 жыл бұрын
Something I hope happens with the show is that they keep these darker themes, but gradually include them as the show progresses. It starts off as the comedy it presents itself to be, and while it doesn't ever stop doing that, it adds more of these kinds of themes later. That's what I hope. I have faith in Vivzie and her team and am optimistic about where Hazbin will go because it's obvious how much time and thought and love they've all put into it, so I really hope it goes well.
@slizniakzrenic228zrn9
@slizniakzrenic228zrn9 4 жыл бұрын
1:53 I felt that
@theimperviousfirecracker7934
@theimperviousfirecracker7934 4 жыл бұрын
"You guys asked me to make this." I'm going to remember that every time I watch a sins video now. It may not always be me, but somebody asked them to make it.
@iigg1913
@iigg1913 4 жыл бұрын
So this is my take on the story I got from the animation. In the beginning we see Angel. If you look on the wiki page it shows that Val is his boss. Val only cares for Angel because of the money he gets him. So he uses Angel to get what he wants. Now as for Cherry. I think that since her backstory hasn’t really been showed yet this is a small taste as to what happened to her. The scene where her and Angel are dancing at a club I think symbolizes that they found each other a long time ago and became friends. The scene at the end of the credits I think shows Angel fighting the bad parts of him. He wants to be redeemed but is scared to do it. He has built up walls when it comes to things like Val but if he goes through with this then he won’t have that kind of protection anymore. He love/hates his work. He wants to be redeemed but is scared of what he’s risking. In the end he is staying at the hotel and decides to give this a shot. That’s my opinion please don’t hurt me.
@derpydevilolidk
@derpydevilolidk 4 жыл бұрын
@ii gg actually it makes sense why Val only cares for him is because of the money not because of him but only for the money
@iigg1913
@iigg1913 4 жыл бұрын
Kira San thank you for the correction
@derpydevilolidk
@derpydevilolidk 4 жыл бұрын
@ii gg I actually was just commenting on what you said I didn’t mean to correct you though
@iigg1913
@iigg1913 4 жыл бұрын
Kira San 😋 okay
@SANICRAWY2J
@SANICRAWY2J 4 жыл бұрын
I do agree with a lot of your criticisms although I believe bringing fnaf as an example wasn't really a fair comparison. As I believe pretty much all the fnaf games stand on their own as very good horror experiences and that the deep lore that Scott has built is one of the most fascinating parts of the games. I understand where you're coming from and I respect your opinions. I'm a bit worried with a lot of the issues you mentioned aswell but I reckon Viv probably has a plan for the characters. Like with the issues you had with Alastor being too goofy when he's supposed to be a powerful tyrant. Look at the joker from a lot of DC shows, he can be a powerful menace who strikes fear into everyone and he can also be the butt of the joke a lot and made to look silly. I feel you could have a similar back and forth with alastor. Just my opinion tho, great video man. Keep it up
@Dibbydibble
@Dibbydibble 4 жыл бұрын
I like how this is supposed to be a Cinema sins even though most of the time he’s just giving compliments about the animation work but honestly who can actually hate this song it’s to well made
@Otterly_Sleepy
@Otterly_Sleepy 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think Hazbin hotel was ever meant to be a comedy. I think that was the whole point of helluva boss to be more episodic comedy fun with overarching plot running through it. From my perspective I think hazbin hotel will probably be primarily story falling Charlie and her hotel, with the side characters carrying the comedy and pulling the plot in different directions. I don’t pay attention to streams though and get exposed to very little fan content in my day to day life so I don’t know if a change is already being brought out that can be seen in that content
@cyborgXcsun
@cyborgXcsun 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s about Charlie- not Angel nor Alastor. They’re over rated and they aren’t even that.. good.
@jacquelinediaz450
@jacquelinediaz450 4 жыл бұрын
The blowing us the club part is dream if you’re wondering- There is even a sign that says so during the scene where Angel and Cherri run out of the club. It literally says “It was all a dream”
@thatonehandguy
@thatonehandguy 2 жыл бұрын
i’ve been binging all of these videos. i love that it’s kind of a bait and switch, it’s disguised as a generic cinemasins clone and then you give actual important criticisms that the fans are too scared or not critical enough to say themselves. it’s actually incredibly entertaining because you don’t have a bias, you just review it with the resources you have. i quite like it.
@bread2083
@bread2083 Жыл бұрын
I know that Alastor is a fucking monster, and thats exactly what I like about him. If I were to make fanart of him, I would always portray him as a fricking psycho with a smile. I like psychotic fictonal villains, that could potentially destroy everything in their wake *and enjoy it.* I absolutely adore characters that have no sense of empathy and only want to see the world burn. I would never like someone like that, that is an actual existing person. I can tell the difference between real and fictional, and I prefer fictional. I simply love Alastor the Radio Demon for his eerie monster-like aura that screams: „I will infact not kill you, I will torture you and watch you suffer.“ I like characters like him, that have the absolute amazing villain „idgaf about you“ vibes, and the way they portrayed him as this complete sadistic psychotic lunatic with a smile, kinda reminds me of jack horner from puss in boots. I am in no way a simp for him, god no. But Alastor has by far the best design in my opinion.
@passthebladee
@passthebladee 2 жыл бұрын
“Comedy first, with actual drama later on” I 100% agree. Though I want comedic shows to just be funny nonsense most of the time, it's really important to have some sort of climax and redemption arc. It's also nice to see why characters are the way they are, see how they develop, what makes them tick, etc. The soft sides of some characters are already shown in the pilot, like when Angel genuinely looks like he wants to comfort Charlie. Characters should never just be 2D. They need to have some sort of depth that makes them interesting. Otherwise, they're just bland and can seem unimportant to the story, like Millie from Helluva Boss. Angel isn't just a gay asshole druggie that fucks people for money. He has trauma that possibly affects nearly everything about him. Maybe he's not an asshole, and he just has walls/trust issues, similarly to Blitzo. Just a small music video gives us so much context and backstory to only two characters, and I'm convinced that there's still so much more coming.
@jenniferalvarado7021
@jenniferalvarado7021 3 жыл бұрын
1:26 Travis on the left.
@Pasianax
@Pasianax 4 жыл бұрын
1:05 That's actually one of the artists and after effects people who added herself into that scene.
@donovan9456
@donovan9456 4 жыл бұрын
I like to think of this video as Vivzipop "reacting" to the criticism of Angel Dust. A loud few people complained that Angel was two dimensional because of all the sex jokes he was involved in. This music video paints Angel's behaviour in the pilot in a very different light. Instead of being a gay sex-addict, he now is a victim of sexual abuse who can only deal with his trauma through expressing his sexuality and losing himself in drugs. So to me, it feels like Vivzi heard the complaint about Angel, and so decided to address that. I agree, though, that I don't want the fandom to consume this show. Character drama I will eat up, as this is a character-driven show. However, I don't want it to suck out all the fun of the show either.
@XMewMoonLightAkitaoX
@XMewMoonLightAkitaoX 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed. The pilot got a lot of negative attention and heavy criticism. However, I feel it was unfounded because as this music video shows, neither of the characters are just 2D funny and offensive oc's. I think Viv took that perhaps personally since Angel is the character she put most attention to and he has helped her get through her tough times. Seeing the comments bashing him based on the little info they got of his life from a 30 minute pilot would've irritated me for sure. The worst is that she has to be careful what she says so as to not spoil any deep points of the show. She really puts thought into what she is able to say and what she has to stay quiet about.
@ok-bw9vo
@ok-bw9vo 3 жыл бұрын
2:33 he's talking about 2 different hotel's
@artificial_laughter3213
@artificial_laughter3213 4 жыл бұрын
The fact that people call lucifer apple daddy kills me lmao 🤣
@amcalycat93
@amcalycat93 3 ай бұрын
I definitely got lucky as someone who was told this song/ video existed after I watched all the episodes, so this was just like bonus content after I saw Poison. Realizing now this was only the Second Thing shown after the pilot, yeah, I finally understand the out-of-context people who complained about whiplash on the show sometimes. Thank you.
@friendly-1ntrovert865
@friendly-1ntrovert865 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I can see where you’re coming from with the fans and their content influencing the show. Hopefully it doesn’t get out of hand.
@cappella264
@cappella264 3 жыл бұрын
I like how your complaint for the darker verse (somehow) is that you don’t want story or lore or anything
@leefollett3205
@leefollett3205 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely well worded and supported:) finally someone says it about Fandom affecting things. I will say one thing, from the other series their doing it does seem consistent they develop their characters and that the series is drastically different than the pilot. I mean, look at millie or even stoles. They changed her accent, and changed stoles whole over all attitude. They sort of do give us whiplash with the changes. I agree.
@jeremyleach117
@jeremyleach117 4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!! Somebody else noticed the unfinished shot! I noticed that my second time watching but no body else did haha. I just noticed that his eye was slightly white where it shouldn't.
@whatevertime3776
@whatevertime3776 3 жыл бұрын
The whole song is sad honestly it just has a happy beat and seems happy but when you really listen to it it's sad I cried when I first listened to it I didn't watch the video or the ending but it was so sad and I also relate to it a lot angel already had a bad past and we knew that I personally love the little sneak peak we got to start his redemption the show is gonna focus on him growing
@funnyweirdo5747
@funnyweirdo5747 3 жыл бұрын
Good video :DDD perfect points and amazing explanations. No extreme criticism and still looks out for the fandom as well as the creators! Keep it up!
@unknownghost7137
@unknownghost7137 4 жыл бұрын
*Music video starts* Me-“Im addicted to the madness!” Him-*still speaking abt music video*
@retropixl5177
@retropixl5177 4 жыл бұрын
Watched this video not expecting to hear alastor say “Im the goodest dear boy” to where angel says “the fuck is wrong with you what happened” my day now confused and I’m questioning if this fandom has been corrupted before the first legitimate episode of a season comes out
@kellerweskier7214
@kellerweskier7214 4 жыл бұрын
I actually wouldnt say that at all. the use of Autotuning of Angel's voice was to give a more Dance Pop feel to the song. its a form of autotuning that props up the vocalization rather then it taking over the song or the singer. Cher did this the exact same way when she used Auto-Tune for the first time in all music history in her song 'Believe'. Instead of the Autotune guiding the lyrics, the vocals guide the song with autotune just being a fun effect on the vocals. In short, theyre just using the autotune as a back effect, not as a vocal course correction. Though i will say that Cher's Belive does use Autotune a bit more then this song. But the autotune riding vocals rather than guiding it is something they both do and is a great example. the reprise of the end section of the song without much of the actual instrumental helps acknowledge this alot, being able to hear the autotune not being used, fade in, then common till the end. Its a nice touch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKbdhH2Qlrx3jac vs. Cher - Believe kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIu7g4lqgsqte9k
@sammieinc.3398
@sammieinc.3398 4 жыл бұрын
I have seen this theory that Angel was drugged inbetween the car scene/wine glass throwing scene, and the scene where they destroyed the strip club was a dream he was having while passed out. *I've heard people say they belive this cus if you pause at the right moment while cherri and angel are running out of the club, there is a sign that says "its all a dream"*
@katimillard5924
@katimillard5924 4 жыл бұрын
They are literal demons in hell. Angel died of a drug overdose. Of course he has a tragic back story. The show is not doomed.
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