Rangefinding 101

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[@Zenturion7]

*PT-16/T14 does NOT trigger LWS. This information will be used in later video about LWS. *PT-16 T14는 레이저 경보기를 울리지 않습니다. 해당 정보는 레이저 경보기에 관한 영상에 추가할 예정입니다.

[@jerryalbus1492]

wow, LRF that doesnt trigger LWS?

[@mmneaapro596]

​@@jerryalbus1492 i think he meant it has lsf feature as in auto zeroing

[@danielcoors4300]

hey thats my Pt16-t14😶‍🌫

[@Zenturion7]

@@jerryalbus1492 it did not use laser

[@TheCol111]

Doesnt use laser, just zeros the gun based on the mechanical input likely, so no laser to send out that can be received @@jerryalbus1492

[@lsq7833]

The PT16/14 sight is a computerized mechanical rangefinder. It should be less precise than laser, but it also has the advantage of not triggering LWS on tanks and aircrafts.

[@Zenturion7]

it has only the advantages of LRF in war thunder, while the only downside of being LWS triggers not being a thing for this sight

[@lightningstrike5024]

@@Zenturion7 im pretty damn sure a helicopter will know its being lased irl

[@cat_clan_leader]

@@lightningstrike5024well this isn't a laser

[@lightningstrike5024]

@@cat_clan_leader thats why im saying it does have advantages irl

[@doppelquadrat]

​@@lightningstrike5024 I think Zenturion wanted to tell us that in War Thunder it only has advantages and no disadvantages in comparison to the LRF.

[@nooblangpoo]

You can also listen to the commander, he will always give out a more accurate and faster distance readout without LRF.

[@AustriaIsHungry]

I learned to count in german because of this.

[@Luxx04]

@@AustriaIsHungry me italian 😆😅

[@MarkStillPlays]

PANZER! ZWÖLF UHR! NAH!

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Or you can use horizontal line on your scope. Yes, it is actually useful.

[@TermIANator]

not always right tho. sometimes hes 150 off

[@linkdeous3928]

chad "nah it must be around 1200m" low tier one shotter vs virgin missing shots with a modern day MBT

[@Leonkilsyou]

Me in M3 GMC

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

M10 with m61 shell go burr.

[@PippinderJung]

EMES-13 (PT-16/T14's sight) is a digitized optical sight.

[@Zenturion7]

in this specific game, it's just a better LRF funnily enough

[@PippinderJung]

⁠@@Zenturion7true

[@Bannditbunny]

The best thing about being swedish is that understand what range the commander says before the numbers appear

[@somebody4977]

but actually u can set all crew voice language to English or other languages

[@natte8470]

​@@somebody4977 yes, but swedish isnt in there since you select the games language and that is only translated to so many languages. So that trick only applies for some languages. Not swedish.

[@starguy96]

I've played Sweden so much that I've started to recognize what certain things mean despite not knowing much Swedish lmao, need someone to teach me to get it down to rights

[@DanielSinks]

Same with me and German tanks, nothing like hearing him say PANZER, ZWOLF UHR, ENFERNUNG, EIN TAUSEND METER. Also I love how he specifically calls out T-34 and others like I imagine real commanders did

[@DanielSinks]

@@starguy96 Really if you just study the numbers 100, 200 etc to 1600 and then 50 if they add that on you would be set. I don't speak it so I can't help though, google translate or chatgpt would probably teach you well enough though

[@12isaac00]

A quick way to approximate range in ww2 and similar rangefinderless vehicles is to listen to your crew, they call out vehicle type alongside distance to the target way before the process finishes. pros: -quick -immersive cons: -margin of error of around 100m -good luck if you don't know the numbers in your crew's language

[@onlyarandomusername]

cmiiw! this "mechanical rangefinder" is sometimes called a coincidence rangefinder. where there will be two scopes (maybe more) that will render 2 images at once. and to measure a distance, you'll need to get those 2 images aligned and focused together similar to that of adjusting a camera focus with a shallow focal length, thus creates a large blurry area around the focused target. and from that focused target, you'll get the distance. this type of rangefinders usually found on battleships/older warships in general, and some post war - cold war era tanks.

[@Danknic1234]

I swear right when that robot event was a thing the object 906 had a rangefinder but when I finally looked at the tank and unlocked it I was wondering where it went

[@levgorlov3566]

When using the commander's estimate, I listen to the crew voice lines, I've noticed they're much more accurate

[@theruined2190]

Ima rangefind when I will quit my warthunder addiction [click to rangefind] >800 years

[@bigblackman404]

Coincidence rangefinders would be slower irl

[@tomppeli.]

Well, obviously It's a game after all

[@ry0usama511]

With how fast paced this game is, it's understandable

[@quan-uo5ws]

They wouls be useless in game then.

[@bigblackman404]

@@quan-uo5ws well if the tanks actual gunner sights were added to warthunder they wouldnt

[@JeremiahClickyTheAvianHellam]

​@@bigblackman404 Gunner sights do exist. You can turn them on in your Option settings. But it mainly forced upon the player in Simulator Battles. It would be annoying having it forced with long crappy slow range finding in a more faster paced game. Not everything has be super realslistic. It's still a game, and should be enjoyed as such.

[@Goatfer]

One thing to mention, with no rangefinder but a max lvl crew, the commander will verbally call out up to 1600 meters even if max range is 1200.

[@overlordsoulbr]

good to point a trick on laser rangefinder, once pointed at helis they cam war the LWR trigger and pilot may be tricked to thing there's an AA locking on him, making it dive leaving his aim or missile on the air. may be useful sometimes.

[@philippey4918]

the laser also fixes the sight parralax issue in sim which make you not think about the gun-sight distance

[@cynicalfox190]

I would need to test it again but for vehicles with commander FC does it also fix parallax there too I wonder… I find commanders sight parallax to be horrific on some vehicles

[@DanielSinks]

I know rangefinding isn't the most useful thing for an experienced player but as someone that likes to use the German KV-2 with historical gunsight there is nothing more satisfying than sitting hull down, rangefinding a target 1000m away, adjusting my sight to that range and sending it up like artillery straight into his ass. It's not practical but it's fun Also I don't wanna risk having to miss a long range shot and get 30s reload so for those kinds of vehicles it is actually helpful to double check even if you're good

[@doomskull7549]

The laser also automatically adjusts coincidence for the discrepency between gun and sight location in sim mode

[@aptemkaua7891]

5th type of rangefinder: “I took ballistics in school”

[@theporschetiger]

THINGS GO UP! THINGS GO DOWN!

[@standardshirley2480]

"That's a damn gimmick sonny..."

[@geronimonimo950]

Have you tried the Sturmtiger’s rangefinder? Perhaps it’s amplified by the slow ballistics of the rocket with a fully aced crew, it’s gives readings up to 2000m and feels reliable up to 600m. I’ve ended up unchecking the modification because it’s somewhat accurate up to 800m(-ish) and gives more range increments with that same crew, and it’s about as fast.

[@AdrianOkay]

the sturmtiger is finnicky because the rocket has an acceleration phase and then it drops to the target so the speed is not consistent

[@geronimonimo950]

@@AdrianOkay I know but my point is the rangefinder seems to have its own set of characteristics, chief among which is the more limited maximum range compared to other optical rangefinders. Aced & trained, it only reaches 2000m when counterparts here as mentioned go up to 4000m. I'm indeed unsure about the accuracy at given distances, again given the ballistic properties of the ammunition...

[@Dovahkiin520]

Technically how the PT16/14 works should be how all mechanical range finders should work. Once the TC gets a range, the gunner should adjust automatically. Should be especially quick on tanks that have a targeting computer tied to it, like the M48/early M60

[@jintsuubest9331]

Emes13 uses similar principle but different in execution. It most likely utilized more than pure coincidence system as it can produce better result than 1700mm base length optics while only having 350mm base length. It is also said that it can produce continuous range update on target. And the sight is independently stabilized.

[@DontStealMyNoEffortName]

yeah but in warthunder's case you are the gunner

[@Dovahkiin520]

@@jintsuubest9331 Gaijin in general has stabilized sights and LR systems modeled wrong. I know most tanks LR are constantly ranging, GHCP does a great job showing this. Like for instance, the AMX-30 gun sight should be stabilized but not the gun itself. Gaijin is gaijin ig lol

[@Malinovyyy]

If you have played the game for long enough, you should be able to effectively tell the distance between you and your target. Personally I don't need the rangefinder's help for target within 1-click or closer.

[@jerryalbus1492]

i primarily use it for 2km and beyond

[@Rosaslav]

if you play just one tank a lot, then sure. but not if you switch tanks a lot. each has different zoom levels and drop. so unless you have some strange talent for that, I don't think so.

[@christianmccollough5005]

@@Rosaslavshell velocities among ww2 tanks anyway all fall in a certain range, and with modern guns the shells are so fast you barely have to compensate anyway. I’d say that’s a skill issue even if you play a lot of tanks. Just read the round spec sheet and adjust accordingly

[@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289]

For modern cannons yes. But there is alot of variation in shell trajectory for World War 2 cannons.

[@reonthornton685]

@@christianmccollough5005 That's only valid when using SABOT. HEAT rounds still have significant drop even in the latest cannons. I can usually get within 50m of a target just eyeballing it up to 1000m, in the time it takes me to peak from a hill, usually closer if I've been using the ammo long enough. If I have long enough to stare at the target for maybe 5 or so seconds I rarely outright miss. You just rarely have those 5 seconds just to stare at a target and judge distances when most of your enemies are going to have laser rangefinders and just point and shoot at you.

[@princesspupcake1269]

Rangefinders also affect Variable Timed HE shells, it's like low-tech Proxy but almost completely useless.

[@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289]

It's useful on open tops behind cover, which there are plenty of at the BR's where HE-VT exists in.

[@imnomoremaverick]

One tip: in Ground Arcade, rangefinders are useless since you have a constant rangefinding on every tank (it's part of the GAB ease of use) However,auto-zeroing is not possible even if you install the LRF module,therefore hitting long-distance shots is harder compared to GRB

[@RedVRCC]

You should check the T54 american tank too cause that one supposedly irl had a unique IR rangefinder. Not a true laser but still an electronic rangefinder. Maybe similar thing with the PT in this video.

[@MarkStillPlays]

bro cooked in the lab🔥🔥🔥

[@KenAgaro]

You know what i say, "When in doubt, 1000m." Works everytime

[@HistoricalComrades]

Love this

[@kim_withdraw]

perfect bgm

[@domingoiocco8183]

Decade old ground rb player: My finger is my safety

[@MooseGaming33]

eyeballing requires 'crew skills' though

[@hunlepto2239]

Zenturion, what's your opinion about Blue Archive likely getting a good adaptation?

[@g09h]

Now I’m curious if the PT range finder triggers LWS

[@MjoedDrikkar]

It does not afaik

[@RYNOCIRATOR_V5]

Can you do a fact finding on the Sturmtiger rangefinder? I understand it to be VERY bad with error, max ranging skill + expert crew and it's often out by 100+m

[@uqi1412]

Me with Pythagoras

[@email3802]

hmmm it's about two fields and a tree line away.

[@M5YUILL]

Up to 1000m I can usually eyeball at this point for most shells past 800m/s (the lack of drop is really what helps 😆)

[@HONGKELDONGKEL1888]

Meanwhile me: WING IT

[@theroyalaustralian]

I just eye ball every range without a rangefinder.

[@ratman-hx9fn]

Imageine rangefinding. The post was made by the arcade battles

[@31oannamphong66]

well, you gonna need them if you want to snipe pass 1km

[@ratman-hx9fn]

@@31oannamphong66 Most maps don't have sightlines that bad and also sniping is unfun espically when you only bring roughly 16 shots of your gun

[@Richard-tz3zc]

I like your Decail, I use it to buy the New Japanese Tank

[@t3dweipin193]

Hmm... Never thought about using rangefinder at lower br, played this game for so long that i just know the range by heart lol

[@tigerbesteverything]

last range finder is the sturmtiger one.

[@catritonix]

what was that sight for the pt16? the scope image i mean

[@icy3-1]

Totally not a Panther 2 reverse speed flex :3 I would also like to point this out. Vehicles that have the LRF (laser rangefinder) in their mod trees will auto-zero the gun or whatever the selected weapon is when the ranging process is complete, even if the mod itself is not installed on the vehicle. The speed and accuracy of this is affected by crew skill.

[@vasilbenov6260]

Can you pls do a video on lws

[@Dms_Kernel]

Can you tell me what those user sights are ?? I cant find them on the forum. Plz do tell

[@mcsamylou3546]

Additional Feature of LR they alsio auto-zeroing the Commander sight (in Aim mode)

[@cat_clan_leader]

Kraut space magic

[@smartestgermanmain]

Does the pt16/t14 trigger the LWS ?😅

[@user-jv8ea2nj6d]

님님 80UD도 약실쪽으로 모델링 구멍난거 같은데 실험 가능해요??

[@mab2187]

The Freccia HE doesn't do dmg anymore, HE nerf hit hard to it.

[@TheJayjam]

I wish they would let us manually rangefind on coincidende rangefinders and such.

[@LinkLaine]

laser rangefinder is most dangerous weapon in the game (except cas though). you can see how much it changes gameplay by greatly increasing ranges of effective firing even on moving vehicles and it makes possible to ambush from new places. i always research it first

[@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289]

I would argue that it's the flatter trajectory of the cannons at those BR's that change the gameplay, and the LRF only adds to it. You could give a Sherman an LRF and it wouldn't really have a massive impact on gameplay since the travel time would still be absurdly long to the point where you could probably dodge/angle against it in time.

[@LinkLaine]

@@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289 good point. i agree

[@noahsawesomevids422]

Cool 😎 just a pain regrind of USA tank tree to 8.3

[@Beltorchika12]

>Or just eyeball it TRUE.

[@lepiss9683]

I’ve never used the rangefinder I’m too impatient and can’t stand playing like I’m on a camping trip

[@legy64lentylka6]

I recommend to everyone to just eyeball it. It is much faster and can decide the outcome of an 1v1 very quickly.

[@The.Drunk-Koala]

Eyeball is best.

[@rainseed21]

그냥 되면 되는갑다 안되면 안되는갑다 이런식으로 했었는데 차이가 꽤 크네요 ㅋㅋ

[@knarfasoled]

Why does the Leop A1A1 have non of these at 9.0

[@pkemr4]

Laser Warning

[@scorpion214226]

try test conqueror range finer, if i remember correctly it has max range 1650≈, and aces doesn't help with distance

[@MrTefe]

2:45 what sight mod is that?

[@youdonthavetoknowsssh8154]

I never use the rangefinder because i am the rangefinder.

[@gantuagar9455]

My brain is best RF but it needs suger free coke

[@elnewbie2611]

Well if you don't upgrade rangefinder skill on your gunner of course it will have massive error margins but if you upgrade the rangefinder skill the error margin is very thin and it also increases the distance at which you can range find and ranging speed as well, this is very useful for tanks with short guns or shells that have exaggerate drop. Edit : upgrading commander leadership will further improve all your crew skills and will stack up with all the other skills, example reloading, if you upgrade reloading to max and it went down by 1 second, commander leadership to the max will give the loader a 10% boost to all his abilities.

[@o-hogameplay185]

cheaters: *Look What They Need to Mimic a Fraction of Our Power*

[@TheNewOrder-DaysOfConflict]

The event Leopard has his own Laser Rangefinder ?

[@TeurastajaNexus]

If you mean the PT16/14 then it has got an electric coincidence range finder.

[@ODST_Parker]

I am simply very bad at math.

[@Vextonomy]

No views 10 seconds fell off

[@Sumi_S]

This meme isn’t funny

[@potatoes-gud]

4k after an hour wake up

[@Mroziukz]

It is​@@Sumi_S

[@birdbrainedboy]

@@Sumi_Sto me it is

[@yusuf513]

Fr

[@audiencesmember]

Are the crew voices from the game or a mod?

[@icy3-1]

They're the default crew voices

[@wolfy3297]

Im weird, i dont use rangefinders but i can hit my targets with very good precision and well yeah, you can learn that

[@remibui983]

most people does that

[@fabians7751]

seeing as early rangefinders take basically a whole reload cycle to tell you an inaccurate range only within a kilometre, you kinda have to learn to eyeball it.

[@kiri101]

What about the Sturmtiger?

[@csorbalaszlo1920]

It has only mechanical range finder Or if you want to shoot farther then you can use the minmap grid squares to calculate the shot

[@kiri101]

@@csorbalaszlo1920It has a unique mechanical rangefinder that should have been featured in the video

[@csorbalaszlo1920]

​@@kiri101 it doesn't really unique Other ww2 german tank's has it as well Su 122-54 has it as well what's russian

[@kiri101]

@@csorbalaszlo1920Unless they changed it, it was as slow as manual rangefinding but with the distance and accuracy of an optical rangefinder

[@csorbalaszlo1920]

​@@kiri101 mechanical range finder effectiveness can depend on the crew skill lvl If the one on the Strumtiger slower with maxed crew than the one on the Panther with maxed crew skill lvl then it can be a bug

[@Souls_29]

Now you doing this video tells me something is wrong with my game and idk how to fix it. Normally when you range find your commander tells you the tank and range of the target. My commander doesn’t do this and has been like this ever since they updated all the crew voices and idk how to fix it. Gaijin marked it as a none issue when I made a ticket so I got no help there either, so if anyone find this I would like the help and yes I’ve uninstalled the game and reinstalled it and verified my files. I play on Steam as well

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Anyone else just shoot by feel?

[@Italian_Isaac_Clarke]

Who is Range and why must he Find Her?

[@pistol_sniper]

어라 레오 2k도 이러지 않나?

[@skydivingmoose1671]

Does the pt-16 set of lws?

[@commandergeokam2868]

Its shouldn't

[@Ice_elite]

it does not

[@icy3-1]

Nope

[@War.Gaming_Schedule]

Gaijin: make 4 different range finder Me: range finder is range finder

[@petraral8868]

iwh366

[@shuriken2505]

eyeball it? pfft. more like use custom sights