What went wrong with Gene Roddenberry's Earth Final Conflict - FTV (Forgotten Television)

The first of the post Gene Roddenberry series. EFC was loved for its ideas on what would aliens do, coming to Earth. The doubts that humans had towards the alien race. But due to contract disputes and people leaving. Made the later seasons change in tone. Here's my thoughts on what went wrong with this scifi series.
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[@danceblues1713]

Season 1 was awesome, should have kept Boone though, and Lily.

[@GLBizzie]

I started it and loved Boone so much and the premise of the show. The first season was addictive.. Oh Boy the new direction in season 2 came as a shock and I felt bored after the first half even though it wasn’t bad.. Season 3 was fire and 4 was where it’s lost me. I still made it through season 5 and it was underwhelming but I enjoyed Sandoval but the new characters ruined it

[@dvcreservations]

The season one writers set it all up flawlessly. It was like the execs wanted the show to fail past that. as you said, it WAS addictive.

[@Pinkielover]

I loved every season except the 5th ... Lily didn't leave until a few seasons later I believe the end of season three

[@jamcalx]

Sandoval was one of the first times I truly enjoyed a villain as a kid.

[@teddybetts3254]

The only guy to be in the whole damn thing!

[@GLBizzie]

@@teddybetts3254 like Rembrandt on Sliders lmao

[@Emmibolt]

Remember that time that Sandoval was actually the hero of the whole series and was going to do the great rest of ridding all aliens once and for all... And Renee and Liam stopped him? I remember. I wish everyone else died instead. Sandoval was the only non worthless human on the show.

[@shayla106]

@@Emmibolt I hugely disagree as bad as the some of thee aliens could get, they proved that other life forms were out there and they could be even more dangerous to us. Building a bridge between the two race was beneficial for both species. They could help advance our species for space travel and give us information about other races they encountered.

[@glennhubbard5008]

He was perfect in that role.

[@larrylewis9861]

Found this: Kevin Kilner puts to rest the long-standing rumors that he was fired from the program. Although he would have liked to have been in season two, he chose to leave because he felt he was being treated in an unprofessional manner--three weeks before the second season was due to begin shooting Kilner and the rest of the cast had still not been offered a contract by the producers--and also because he had misgivings about lack-of-quality in the second season because the writers appeared to be bowing to pressure from the financiers to add more sex and violence and seemed to have no clear idea in mind for the direction of the second season of the program in general and Kilner's character in particular. Kilner, who remained in touch with his former co-stars throughout season two, reports that the cast felt "miserable" due to this directionless approach.

[@AndalusianPhilosopher]

Sex and violence? Seriously? It is obvious that producers along with writers made many poor decisions! They should hang their heads in shame! Too bad Gene Roddenberry wasn't around!

[@CosmoShidan]

When watching EFC, I tend to call it the "Sandoval Show", since Von Flores is the only character who appeared in all 5 seasons.

[@sebastiansilverfox6912]

When they killed Boone, they killed the show. It immediately started flailing and while there were some good moments here and there, it lost the intrigue that made the show enjoyable. That said, when season five hit, the whole thing became basically unwatchable. But you know, you really have to feel bad for the psychic lady that gave her powers to Boone and then died because she saw it as the way it had to be, predicting that those powers were the way for humanity to win...only for them to kill off Boone right afterward and never do anything with it again. Maybe those powers of hers weren't so great after all.

[@DacaTainoKiskeya]

I agree, I watched 3episodes of season 2 and gave up on the show. Not the same with out Boone, did not like the new direction.

[@sebastiansilverfox6912]

@@DacaTainoKiskeya I suffered through to season five. There were some good episodes but the real intrigue that made the show so good was simply gone. Then whatever season five was hit and ugh.... I really tried to finish the series. I did. I failed. It was just so bad...

[@Fiercesoulking]

Yes exchanging main characters is extremely bad I saw that with Sliders too. This with a psychic lady I don't remember but there were a few more errors after this: That Liam lost his alien powers too, Augurs betrayal , Lily after having an alien hybrid baby never get heard again. But even without this the other main weakness was the hard focus on earth. Actually they planned a new show after this but never got up basically with Liam and Renee as power couple in space

[@christopherleubner6633]

Yeah that was a bit shocking, also the show went to complete 💩 after that.😂

[@rangerreview1780]

Context to this video. This is the worst review I've done on the channel. People really wanted me to review it. I was not prepared for it. I hadn't watched the entire series, since it originally aired. I only bought the first season on DVD. It's way too long. I was rushing it out. Didn't fix a ton a mistakes. I highly suggest not watch it. I keep it up as a reminder to myself. To not do this again.

[@starsiegeplayer]

Fair enough.

[@jasonquinn4516]

Just a note. You don't pronounce the "p" in coup. It's a French origin word. Pronounced as "coo".

[@ericlundquist7429]

100% agree. Watch Season 1. Ignore the other seasons. I recall reading that the studio execs are the ones who killed the greatness describing it as "too cerebral" so that the show nosedived for the toilet and the writers proceeded to dumb everything down to network exec level.

[@Toneclark-kk6kt]

THE CEREBAL PART IS WHAT MADE IT INTERESTING I LOVE THE TAELONS

[@BRIANONEALSINGLETON]

I loved this series aswell. Although the last season was so "alien" as far as the plot. It almost had nothing to do with the previous season. Even bringing back Zo'or, Boone and Liam was poorly executed. Re-introducing the Atavus (At·a·vus) was a piss poor move.

[@ploofedoof1]

As a fan, for me Season 5 never happened....I watched the series in the original broadcast...and the final season was so bad I've yet to force myself to watch it through...

[@ruhafla8326]

I watched season 1 back when it originally aired and enjoyed it. I stopped watching when I found out they killed off Boone. Last week I started watching again on the Roku Channel and I am nearly finished with season 1. I know it gets weird/bad but I plan on following it through to the end. I just want to see how bad it gets. I work with someone who loves this show and she urged me to give it a chance. She said that it's fun, despite being all over the place.

[@ruhafla8326]

UPDATE. Half way through season three and it's been a struggle to continue! I actually like the first and second seasons, but I have lost a lot of interest in Season 3. I think losing the character of Lili Marquette as a full-time character was a huge loss for the show. I am committed to finishing the series though and will march onward towards the season 5 finale..

[@Cedrog]

@@ruhafla8326 So? Where you able to finish it? I just dit and while I had some problems with S2-4, I mostly enjoyed it but oh my god S5 was absolutlely aweful, I litterally had to skip parts to be able to continue. If it wasn't the last one I would have for sure gave up on the show. Plus the ending was extremely disapointed on so many levels. What about you?

[@ruhafla8326]

@@Cedrog No. I stopped in the middle of season 3. I just lost interest in the story. I may pick it up and finish it at some point.

[@cernstormrunner7263]

"Zo'Or the prick Taelon" perfect description

[@ExploringFate]

Da'an was originally suppose to be what Zo'or character developed into. But they need a balance and a foil so they made Zo'or that guy.

[@AndalusianPhilosopher]

How do you know this?

[@ExploringFate]

@@AndalusianPhilosopher Various things from cast interviews to production stuff I've seen over the years. And Leni Parker I believed mentioned it. Da'an was suppose to start off as mysterious and then slowly be reveled as being sinister playing both good guy and bad guy at the same time, but when Zo'or showed up and the acting of Anita La Selva they changed direction. They then felt they needed balance and a clear cut of good and bad. So instead of Da'an being both good and bad at the same time. Da'an became the innocent good character and Zo'or the evil sinister character (Good Cop / Bad Cop thing). Zo'or became Da'an foil.

[@ChibiHoshiDragon]

The CVI and the Skril were two different things The CVI increased intelligence and memory recall. The Skril was the symbiotic energy weapon Though the CVI is required to control fully the Skril, you dont'need the Skril to have a CVI Were the name blimps intentional? Daridians instead of Jaridians and A-tavis instead of AT-i-vus

[@Jsta2v_racing]

Thank u. He said that at the beginning and I questioned the rest of his review 🤦‍♂️. When u mess up the skrill and CVI info, u probably don’t remember very well.

[@cernstormrunner7263]

I wish Sandoval had become the hero / protagonist in the final season.

[@CosmoShidan]

That's if you can persuade Von Flores to play the hero. He's stated in an interview that he prefers to play villains.

[@volodymyrbilyk555]

this show was Clusterfuck: The Series, but I loved it as a kid.

[@meaganparker5056]

Me too! Every Saturday night at 9.

[@TexpatOTG]

I quit at season 4. The vampire dudes lost me.

[@teddybetts3254]

Agreed.

[@AndalusianPhilosopher]

Ran out of ideas. Ripped off Buffy the Vampire slayer.

[@TexpatOTG]

@@AndalusianPhilosopher for sure!!

[@TheLaughingMan712]

I remember season 5 aired super early before school started. Like around 5 or 6 in the morning. They weren't once-a-week episodes either. They aired them 5 days a week. Even as a kid, I could tell the network was burning through the remaining episodes.

[@Toneclark-kk6kt]

SEASON 5 WAS THE DOWNFALL OF THIS GREAT SERIES I LIKE THE ESSENCE OF THE TAELONS AND THE JAREDIANS SEPERATE THE ATAVUS WAS NOT MY CUP OF TEA AND IM OUT LOL

[@AndalusianPhilosopher]

Seasons 2-5 are like big budget bad fanfiction. With many authors writing whatever they want and no order.

[@eugenerowland1262]

I'm really THANKFUL to you for such a totally complete analysis of the entire series. When the show was being originally broadcast, I was caught up in a very heavy work schedule. Now I understand WHY I couldn't ever understand E:FC on the handful of episodes I watched. CONCLUSION - You just spared me buying a complete series box set on Amazon to watch at leisure now that I'm retired. God Bless you and your family !!! 😃👍

[@BroccoliRocks]

I'm currently watching the series. I'm struggling to get through season 5. I'm used to the silly writing, but the season 5 episodes have been so dull. Such a shame. The first season was so strong.

[@MaximumAlx]

I always felt that season two had tremendous potential. Like if they focused on the dynamic of Liam struggling between his humanity and connection to the Talons and Daan’s inner battle to choose between his dying species and humanity rather than just jumping forward seemingly randomly that it would’ve been a lot more appeal. Like my favorite episode is Attivis And I think that single episode channels do true feeling of what this series should’ve been about going forward.

[@thomasskokan2001]

Tend to agree 👍 Is the episode you refer to ( Atavus? your spelling is probably better then mine ! BTW is it Jeridian ? Teridian ? ) in which Auger hacks into the commonality disconnecting Da an , who reverts back to an Atavus ( who BTW doesn't look like the 5th seas creatures with their long energy "fingernails" & who are hardly asexual, indeed , quite the reverse ! ) Excellent episode where both LM & LK refuse to give up on Da an....show clearly started going downhill from mid 2nd seas.They seemed to at least have a decent series ender in S4 Ep 20 , then they follow it up with Ep 21 & 22 which Za or is back in power ....which makes absolutely NO sense . Season 5 becomes a total joke !

[@MaximumAlx]

@@thomasskokan2001 I completely agree it’s clear that season five was basically a rushed, throwing together conclusion. Like this is one of those shows that I wouldn’t mind a reboot, they could Combine season one and twos arcs and go from there to continue the series.

[@joeedwards8863]

Boone was awesome, his story far superior, i miss him and his Sqrill doing double agent stuff.....

[@euniceprobert9060]

Sorry, but your description was even more confusing than EFC itself. Just a note, coup has a silent "p". It's pronounced like "coo", as it's a French word. And I thought you were saying Duridians, instead of Jaridians.

[@maybetoby]

I loved Earth: Final Conflict, but was super bummed once Boone was gone... Kincaid was a Gary Stu. I stopped watching after season 4. I had no idea Boone returned. Lol nice Flash season 3 burn 🤣

[@marfoxx4165]

At what part did he said the burn?

[@brownpaperbaglunch5760]

Liam a Gary Stu Lol! Definately

[@AbigailLucas-Payne1983]

I loved the first two seasons, hated the rest, except for a few episodes in the third and fourth. I hated that they replaced Lili with the inferior Renee. What had me seething was that they never let Sandoval know that Liam was the son he was looking for. The core characters were whittled down to nothing leaving nobody that I cared about by the last season. Favorite characters, Boone, Liam, Lili, Auger, Sandoval, and Da'an. I wanted Liam's powers to be reactivated and for him and Sandoval to have some sort of relationship, but sadly we the audience didn't get that. The show had me beyond frustrated and I only watch the first two seasons, after that I'm done for a while.

[@manlypowers9967]

Pretty much agreed. I liked the first season, but progressively disliked the other seasons more and more as they went on. I did a little digging years ago, wondering what happened, and all I remember reading was that the network/studio or some higher level executive wanted a sexier, more action-oriented approach. And so Boone was unceremoniously killed off and replaced with the new lead that would last a few more seasons. Only to be replaced yet again.

[@StefanBlagojevic]

The only constant of Earth Final Conflict is: "The Sandoval Saga", as he was the only character consistently appearing throughout the entire show. Sandoval's run was one of his greatest moments. But yeah, Boone and Sandoval carried the show on their shoulders. And now after watching the whole show (watched 1st season back in 2000 and now I've finished the entire Earth Final Conflict in one swoop, ending on 10.July.2022.) all I can say is, this series could have done better in the end. It deserved better, but when you have problems with higher ups, making decisions about main characters coming and going from the show, it's amazing how the TV series even made it to Season 5 to begin with. All in all, EFC is still worth watching despite, despite its terminal cracks that appear throughout the show later on. Kind regards.

[@thomasskokan2001]

Episode 20 ( yr 4 ) seemed like a fitting series ending ....but NO , they had to do 2 more shows in seas 4 ( 21 & 22 ) where you have a total disconnect from episode 20 to 21& 22 & Za or is back in the power seat after Da on said the Taelons we're in unity & took the power back from Za or ....even if this didn't kill him , they would NEVER have allowed him to remain leader !

[@thomasskokan2001]

Episode 20 ( yr 4 ) seemed like a fitting series ending ....but NO , they had to do 2 more shows in seas 4 ( 21 & 22 ) where you have a total disconnect from episode 20 to 21& 22 & Za or is back in the power seat after Da on said the Taelons we're in unity & took the power back from Za or ....even if this didn't kill him , they would NEVER have allowed him to remain leader !

[@thomasskokan2001]

Episode 20 ( yr 4 ) seemed like a fitting series ending ....but NO , they had to do 2 more shows in seas 4 ( 21 & 22 ) where you have a total disconnect from episode 20 to 21& 22 & Za or is back in the power seat after Da on said the Taelons we're in unity & took the power back from Za or ....even if this didn't kill him , they would NEVER have allowed him to remain leader !

[@StefanBlagojevic]

@@thomasskokan2001 For what it's worth, it was nice seeing Amy McAdams at play, becore she became famous.

[@znotch]

A CVI is not the same thing as a Skrill....

[@Toneclark-kk6kt]

THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME THE SKRILL AS YOU KNOW WAS A FORMER LIFEFORM FROM A PLANET THE TALONS CONQUERED

[@kimmykun]

I think the main issue with E:FC and other shows produced by Tribune, was that they were made by Tribune. A common thing that was said in message boards of the time was that Tribune made cheap shows that looked decent (hence why they were all Canadian) and then sold them for overseas broadcast. The U.S. syndication market was pretty secondary to them. So, why was this an issue? Because in their thinking, smart shows don't translate well. E:FC was proof of that way of thinking. Andromeda was another. So, after brilliant first seasons, dumbing down was the order of the day.

[@TheDigitalThreat]

Da'an turned out the be the one who had Boones wife killed. He didnt keep clean hands.

[@Van_Liberty]

Post Boone was a train wreck...They tossed a grenade into the show and it worked...

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

😅🤣💯 In all honesty, Liam would have been fine if they had a good plot.

[@Spookys1978]

Season 5 Was the worst. It was basicly a brand new show when it got to season 5.

[@dvcreservations]

How they kept the show on the air 5 years is amazing.

[@alien6467]

I remember this series showed up at 11;00 PM on fox when fox was fairly new. It was my favorite show but i began to see all those elements going wrong and was very disappointed in the finally.

[@parks-n-places]

Another problem with the show is some of the episodes are out of order. Season two episodes 2&3 are flipped as well as season 5 8&9 are flipped. It’s completely obvious when the episode starts and they refer to something that hasn’t happened yet only to see it in the next episode. Probably more examples but those are the only ones I caught

[@thomasskokan2001]

What about seas 4 Ep 20 & 21 / 22 ? It seems Ep 20 was a somewhat fitting ending to a show heading steadily downward since mid seas # 2 . Then we have Za or back as leader( 21 /22 ) after the Synod was unanimously against him & sucked all his core energy ( end 20 ) Even if they wouldn't kill him he would never return to the Taelons " throne " These last 2 seas 4 episodes ( 21 /22 ) destroyed ANY continuity that was barely there ....turning seas # 5 into a total joke.

[@guitargodthor2]

Stuff to review (if you haven't already) Earth 2 The Invisible Man First Wave John Doe V Sea Quest DSV

[@MartianInAHumansBody]

I gave up so hard, I had no idea Boon came back

[@lordoffaiyum9727]

Boone came back? Yeah i quit by season 2

[@DannieGemz]

After just getting through it im on the last handful of episodes of season 5 now i have to agree with everything you stated here, its just a mind warp of inconsistency, awful writing and characters with no life and no real need for me as a viewer to connect to them, if one dies its like yeh whatever there goes another one, they are even less useful than trek red shirts, i felt more for a red shirt than i ever did for the characters in this show with the exception of Da'han, for me he was the one redeeming character and the actress who plays him was solid to.

[@Toneclark-kk6kt]

I FEEL THE SAME TO BE HONEST I LIKED DA'HAN CHILD ZOOER MORE AND I LIKE ZANAVAL AND OLGER AND LIAM AND RENAEE PALMER

[@DigiRangerScott]

I found out about this show through streaming on Prime Video. Now it’s on Pluto TV with Andromeda

[@GothAlice]

Maxtor hard drives. Deep cut, man. I have a shelf filled with dead Maxtor drives.

[@MedalionDS9]

After Star Trek properties, the post-Gene projects of Earth Final Conflict and Andromeda... I was the former watcher... I remember watching EFC back in the day and vastly preferred that type of story-telling... when Andromeda dropped, it looked so cheesy and cheap and silly... I am only now watching Andromeda for the first time through... I just started season 3. At this point, I still say Earth Final Conflict is more my speed of a sci-fi show, but the crew of Andromeda are very likable as a unit. I should clarify I am like you with having a love/hate for EFC... I adore season 1... but everything else kinda kept going downhill for me... the Atavus arc was complete BS

[@waitandhope]

I loved this show but it went to hell pretty badly later, I mainly think after season 1. However it really became cool when Sandoval wanted them dead for what they did to him, sadly they wasted time erasing his memory or whatever I don't exactly remember, oh well

[@cesargil5997]

Yes this series started with great expectations and promises, and after a while it lost momentum and only went downhill. I forced myself to watch it to the end only out of a sense of completion.

[@AllMediaReviewsPodcast]

Auger was by far, the best character on the show. Kind of sad I've never seen anything else Richard Chevolleau ever did, although that probably has a lot to do with his credits being mostly Canadian productions. The guy had all the best lines in EFC, and it makes me wonder if he's done anything else in a similar vein.

[@rangerreview1780]

He comes close in his sort time on Tekwar.

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

i saw him on the hannibal tv series. it was just a tiny part, great to see him. lots of memories.

[@fandomvault4901]

I own the whole series & omg..its highly underrated. It's a fantastic series & I think it gets overlooked way to easily.

[@cameroncowles407]

Uh no

[@RiderOfKarma]

I loved this show when I was a kid. Always thought of it as Majel Rodenberry’s baby since she tried so hard to get it made keep it going. The lead dying repeatedly cracked me up to no end and kept things interesting.

[@Okalani5000]

I loved the show, but I felt like they could have gone into a whole different direction with the Taelons. I have thought about at least two different scenarios better than the one they had.

[@lexielyons5739]

what ideas did you come up with?

[@mattmmilli8287]

I thought it was actually really good until the last season. Lily was the show’s rock.. none of the rest

[@willchristie2650]

I kept trying to categorize Liam as handsome or not. A silly point perhaps, but I've never seen an actor who in 1 scene looks very handsome and then in the next scene is making goofy faces and looks like a dork. I thought the acting by Laim and Augur was not consistent. At times it really felt like they were just reading lines instead of acting. Boone left because they wouldn't pay him what he was worth. The management was cut throat in trying to put on a show with the very least money, resulting in a lot of actors becoming fed up and leaving. The entire show is an example of a great idea being manifested by stupid people. The company that produced the show is now gone so all their penny pinching meant nothing for their longevity.

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

And the show lost Boone cause they were cheap.

[@kreese-yi2nb]

I liked how they brought the "actual" Liam at some point and never did anything with that plot. And THEN cast the actual Liam actor (the future Mr. Tori Spelling, BTW) as completely different character a few years later. The convolutedness that show had entagled itself into as seasons went was astonishing indeed.

[@markmyers6756]

This reminds me of all those comics series were planes changed because new writers come on the books.

[@johnnyd3158]

It’s so weird seeing you not talking about Power Rangers, lol. But I hope that someday you can go back to doing so since it’s one of the reasons why I subscribed to you. But I like this new show since somebody has to give appreciation to the tv shows that have been lost to time.

[@xenapromos]

I never really liked this show when I was a kid. However, I did watch it, albeit for the most part it was playing in the background while I was doing something else. I did take more of an interest in the storyline when Renee Palmer took the lead. I hear that some true fans of the show didn't like the Era of Renee, but I thought the Atavus storyline was interesting, probably because I didn't have anything invested in the previous seasons.

[@CosmoShidan]

Originally, Lexa Doig, was considered for the role of Rene Palmer.

[@andrewsmith3860]

Just researched the entire series. 1-4 we’re good to. Season five was meh but renees character won me over in the end. Ultimately 7.5/10 stars.

[@thegreenmanofnorwich]

I really liked that Sandoval in season 1 wasn't bad, exactly. He was just an "ends justify the means" type of guy but either genuinely believed what he was doing, or didn't have any choice. Boone's death was due to contractual dispute with Kevin Killner. Zo'or was digitally inserted when relations broke down. Initially, the idea was that he'd recover but would have been more insightful. I think that the Jaridians were layered in from the beginning (e.g. the language was similar, but different), but they rushed it in season 2 because they were required to make it more action oriented. The core energy crisis was good, but was clearly inserted to add momentum to a somewhat flagging season 3. I liked that Da'an covered up for Zo'or murdering T'than, and that he gave him additional core energy because he couldn't bear to see Zo'or die. Season 5 with "oh yeah, everyone's dead" was solely for the purpose of getting the series long enough that it could be sold for syndication. Your pronunciation of Kimera and Atavus was interesting.

[@sarriedoherty4577]

I think Sandoval was great in season 1. He was so awesome - so brainwashed in his absolute loyalty. Boone was great, though. He shouldn't have died. I think him and Liam would have been great.

[@chronobot2001]

Getting rid of Boone was a huge mistake. Seasons 2-4 were ok but not great. Season 5 was so bad I couldn't make it past episode 2.

[@Cedrog]

I feel exactly the same, I liked season 1, lots of potential, I had my problems with 2-4 but overall I still enjoyed them, but 5 was absolutley garbage. You did well to stop. I finished it only because it was the last one and only by skipping through so much stuff.

[@alientimetraveller]

Good Review. Really love EFC despite its flaws. Season 3-5 were released in the US on DVD in widescreen by ADV films. They were nice sets and pretty expensive for a long time until the Canadian sets flooded the market in 2011 I think. I remember paying $200 for Season 4! Season 2 was not released in the US at all. I believe EFC was the first show to use Sony HD cameras starting in Season 3. Would love to see a HD remaster of this show but.. probably not gonna happen. I like it much better than Andromeda frankly. There are actually a few good episodes in the 5th season. I liked the courtroom episode. Your Maxtor HDD reference made me LoL.

[@yyz1335]

did you just pronounce the "p" in coup?

[@premier69]

the show was great (there is no season 5). the colony was another great show and it felt like an evolution.

[@Pinkielover]

yup

[@Toneclark-kk6kt]

LOL THAT PART

[@thomasskokan2001]

Yes , there IS a season 5 ....it totally SUCKED Show morphed into " Buffy the vampire slayer goes into orbit ! " Last season has ZERO continuity with other 4 yrs ...Taelons are gone ....Jeridians are gone , Auger , Liam ( Resurrected for final show ) are gone as well.Last season a total disconnect.

[@tristanthompson1980]

Have you ever done space above and beyond? Also if you'll still do a kid show I have many nostalgia based suggestions

[@ls-ut1sy]

Watching this series on Amazon Prime for the first time now. Near the end of season 3. "You are an abomination to the commonality." - Love that line.

[@Blue_Lunacy]

This show had the potential to be smart and insightful Sci-Fi story. And yet, it all went down hill after the first season.

[@Plarndude]

Jaridians not Daridians.

[@mamjack6134]

You're making it worse

[@over2seeyer]

reminds of Sliders, season one had potential, then it went tits up from there, it like someone with mental disability took over the show and begin writing random stuff

[@lexielyons5739]

John Rhys-Davies left the show because he found the Holly Wood plots to be too fantastical and lacked depth. I really feel like they could have done a better job with Sliders. Like show a universe being invaded by technologically advanced humans to steal resources from other parallel worlds. Hell they could have created so many cool universes like a world where the Book of Revelations was never added to the Bible and how Christianity changed. Could be a world where Christianity never existed and humanity went down a different technological and spiritual development. Maybe Amazon Productions could reboot the show and explore these themes seamlessly weaving in people of color and increasing diversity based on the episodes with different societies inhabiting North America.

[@zeokingsilver]

I hate how they kep changing characters made it hard to get attached

[@Strange_Armour]

Does anyone remember Starhunter ? The last episode made me mad but I love Tanya Allen 😍 Please review that show.

[@robsdroid6856]

The show just never went anywhere. I made it to half way season 3 then gave up....

[@Cedrog]

Yeah felt exactly the same way. You did well to stop because it didn't get any better sadly.

[@JetScreamer_YT]

This show started pretty good. My expectations are low for syndicated show. Then it was a trainwreck!

[@cyshadowx]

I stuck with the show for all 5 seasons in syndication WGN played it every week for the first season I remember channel 29 or 35 local channels played the last 4 seasons syndicated.

[@rogerlynch5279]

You have put it into a nutshell why I did not watched the show as a complete thing- A couple of episodes like about thisthat mystical missionary in Medieval times of Ireland was fun but in general this show gavie me haedaches.

[@jamesspencer1997]

The second season char was only 1/4 alien he was 1/4 Sandoval and 1\2 his mother..

[@Tehnjiraka]

I wonder if they ever considered a reboot? Surely Eugene ‘Rod’ Roddenberry (Gene and Majel’s son) hold some of the rights to the show. I wonder what it would be like if they rebooted it now? I understand that when Kevin Kilner (Boone) was let go/left because of a contract dispute, that Majel Barrett decided to step away from the show. If she hadn’t maybe it wouldn’t gone off the rails like it did.

[@jtfbreedlove]

A great part of this series was that both sides had their own valid motives and shades of grey. While I know the show changed studios after S1 I have no idea how many of the writing/production staff stayed with the studio changeover.

[@Toneclark-kk6kt]

EVERYONE PRETTY MUCH HAD THERE OWN AGENDA WHICH MADE THE SHOW SUPER INTERESTING AND DOPE

[@Олексій-и3ь]

I liked season 1 because of mystery and uncertainty, but I left on season 2 it was just too much

[@timriggins70]

Oh yes the alt universe where the histories diverged thousands of years in the past but somehow still had dopplegangers of Sandoval, Lily, and her half sister. Then her half sister comes into their reality, is merged with her doppleganger and neither is ever seen again.

[@Pinkielover]

Isabel her arc ended After they merged, she had to go into hiding

[@MrSeaborn1]

Why did Kevin Kilner(Boone) leave?

[@CosmoShidan]

Because his contract wasn't renewed for another season.

[@dvcreservations]

Kevin, in NO WAY wanted to leave. Some bad execs got involved.

[@ceffbrah]

Just finished season 1 and stopped watching because they killed off boone. I am so upset because i thought i found a hidden gem but i was wrong lol

[@GLBizzie]

U weren’t. Season 1 is a gem!

[@michaeldavies47]

As an avid long time fan of this show I've gotta say that I don't appreciate reviews from someone who clearly didn't watch the show and probably just read about it on some wiki. The repeated misunderstanding of key elements of the show that you display is jarring to say the least. Poor form.

[@Toneclark-kk6kt]

I LOVE THIS SHOW AND ANYBODY WHO WATCHED IT SHOULD HAVE A CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT THEY ARE WATCHING ARE REVIEWING

[@cernstormrunner7263]

I kind of wished Sandoval would have come around and become the main (or at least the secondary) protagonist at some point

[@Catholicgauze]

I think you hit it on the head. From the excellent potential of Season One to- well- poop.

[@jamesspencer1997]

The writters fucked it up is what i was told and this was me on the web when this show was still on air on the us and me hanging out on websites.Sandoval was also the second chars father..

[@Sir_Loin_Of_Beef]

The CVI and the Skrill (the living weapon) are different things, the CVI allows you among other things control the skrill but you can have a CVI and not have a skrill

[@victorhng]

I thought Sandoval was a secondary antagonist. He almost became an anti-hero character in season 1 when Boone and the resistance tried to turn him into a double agent after his CVI went haywire. Seemed that potential character arc didn't go anywhere...

[@justinhague105]

I was hoping Sandoval was playing some super-long-game that would ultimately help deliver mankind from alien manipulation, even at the cost of his reputation and life. But... he was completely unrepentant in the end. Guess it fit his character.@@victorhng

[@victorhng]

​@@justinhague105 That sounds like it would've been a pretty cool idea. Another interesting idea that just came to me is at the end of Season 1, instead of killing off Boone, the Taelons could've turned him against the resistance. Some kinda intense brainwash. Sandoval becomes a double agent for the resistance in the long run, and his character arc would eventually evolve into a much more likeable character with issues still. Liam would still be born, but instead of aging into an adult super fast, he gradually ages through out the series and play a key role in defeating the taelons and having his own agenda of bringing back the Kimera species.

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

I thought the CVI was useful for controlling the Skrill but not necessarry...as both Boone & Liam didn't having a CVI. To which not having the CVI allowed they to retain free will and be double agents. Either the Taelons were mistaken about the CVI being needed, or more likely totally lied to get the mind control into their agents like Sandoval.

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

​@@justinhague105 Because the writers didn't know how to go anywhere with plotlines. It was always rinse & repeat.

[@phantomcruizer]

Is it true that the actors that played the two principle “Talons” were actually women?

[@MedalionDS9]

Yes

[@silviosaecios5187]

Leni Parker and Anita La Selva are the names of the actress.

[@user-TheEngineer]

All Taelons are played by female actors. They bound their breasts and digitally lowered their voices to aid in creating an androgynous effect. This was a trick Roddenberry had come up with back when he was alive and made the original Star Trek pilot. Those aliens were all female actors playing androgynous aliens.

[@denasharpe2393]

Yes

[@dvcreservations]

The show was D and Boone … period … season one set it all up and the plot, setup a fantastic mystery and the two actors were clicking off each other flawlessly. The wrong execs got involved in the show and it became as you said a resolving door which can work on some shows but this one was based on the long haul. Gene knew that there are two things to a great show, writing and the actors, and he was amazing at both. Using his name past season one was ridiculous and Magel, as much as she contractually could def showed her displeasure. She would have said much more if able.

[@simplegarak]

lol Yeah... why did this and Andromeda fall apart on the last season? (so many late nights watching them)

[@cloudzack1090]

My brother watched this show alot back then so its not like I was interested, but I liked it at season 1, they killed boon and like you said, each season the show just went all over the place. Made it harder to watch everytime I had to watch it lol. That being said I did like the show but hate the direction it was going in all the time

[@ifragisk]

I was aware of this show growing up but didnt care for it. Then i saw Season 5 in reruns and i actaully liked it. There werent many shows with a continuing story and I liked Rene Palmer fighting aliens while no one helped her, Sandoval stuck on the dying mother ship, etc. I looked forward to it every Sunday afternoon. I recently watched season 1 and I liked it, the rest of the seasons are hit and miss. Just watching season 5 without having seen the earlier seasons can work. After all, Rene gives you the background info in the intro song.

[@rangerreview1780]

That's always the case. If you can watch something that changes a show/movie. Before you saw the original way, you usually like it. For example: With me, and everyone will burn me to hell. I saw Alien Resurrection FIRST. And I liked it. Til I saw all the other films. I know it's a crap movie. But I'm indifferent to it overall because I saw it first.

[@ΔήμοςΜετεώρων]

Why no subtitles?

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

I watched about the 1st 3 season then got bored. For me, the show just never went anywhere after the 1st season. The same group of heroes having the same struggles against the same antagonists week after week.

[@gregenglehart6795]

Cast changes killed it for me

[@jamesfrederick1221]

How about Land of the Giants?

[@crystalwellman9024]

Love all these lost gems and your perspective. Ever seen Sir Arthur Conan’s the lost world or the spy series largo winch. There was also a weird oldie about the amazon and people stuck there

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

You know you got a huge problem with your story/production when the most consistent character in the cast is the main villain. The revolving door cast and how they handled it was I think this Show's biggest problem. Babylon 5 is the best example of how to do an important cast member who exits the story early. In its first season the captain of the station was Sinclair. But by the second season the captain had changed to Sheridan. The reason being the original actor got sick. The show had written exits in its show Bible for all the major characters. So if one character had to be replaced or exit the show for some reason they had multiple Avenues and story branches to where they were able to exit that character out and then return the story back to its focused line with or without them. That's what you really need to do in order to plan for a series. Just make sure everybody can be accommodated if they leave the show for any reason.

[@cernstormrunner7263]

Always thought Sandoval should have become the hero by the 5th season, or at least an Antihero.

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

@@cernstormrunner7263 I thought the arc was gonna be that the motivational imperative was released once the Talons were all gone, turned into Atavus. Then he would begin working for himself to beat them or something. Didn't he get turned into aJeridian at one point? I'm gonna start watch the show on Amazon cuz I saw it on there the day I left this comment cuz honestly, I barely remember this plot.

[@ExploringFate]

Started off strong but the rotating cast and writers plus issues with network the show went down hill after season 3.

[@RobertSchroeder-f9c]

It would have been better if they took Sandoval through the maze regarding the series and eventually made him a good guy.

[@Cedrog]

Agreed, so many times I thought they were actually building towards it but he kept getting worse and worse to the point where there was no redemption possible. I think he should have either became a good guy or the main bad guy but this constant inbetween was really hurting the character.

[@chronobot2001]

Talking about forgotten shows... I loved "seven days" The time travel show.

[@geraldtrudeau3223]

I've been semi-binge-watching Earth final Conflict and I'm up to season 4. Well it has some flaws, definitely. It's not a bad series. If you get past season 2, you're kind of hooked into it. The problem is that after season 2 the suits took over and Roddenberry's original ideas were flushed down the drain in order to make it more sponsor friendly. In other words, generic and profitable. More fight scenes, and less cerebral dialogue. Still in all it's a good watch. If you're looking for Emmy Award level you're in the wrong place.

[@Cedrog]

Agreed, I had my problems with season 2-4 but overall I still enjoyed them. The real problem was season 5 that I hated, without spoiling I thought it was very bad and only was able to finished through skipping a lot of stuff. I hope you'll somehow enjoed it though ;)

[@RetzyWilliams]

So many great episodes. Summary: S1 Intro and Boone, S2 Liam, S3 Doors and bitchy Da’ahn, S4-Sandoval and crazy Zo’or, S5- Attavis and Rene. The season 5 kangaroo court episode was amazing. Loved the Kriss, Transcendent digital Doors on One Taelon Avenue, when Zo’or gets pissed at Sandoval and destroys his home, perhaps the most dramatic moment I saw was S3 when Auger painfully admits he gave up the Resistance to Taelons and Liam handily yells and scolds him for it. Brenton Michaels was an awesome character in season 5. Jaridians were m’eh, but their probes were awesome. Attavis were just annoying - Judah and Howlin just went out like punks. I would have rather seen Sandoval pass with Zo’or in the same scene rather than them individually. But I liked how Zo’or and Boone got to be reprised in last season, especially Zo’or. I wish Tate and Auger had some flashy fun endings. My greatest wish though was that Da’ahn could have made an appearance at the very very end, even if only as a special effect. I was hoping Rajel would reveal he actually was Da’ahn, would have made the perfect final scene.

[@glennhubbard5008]

I knew Kilner had left the show, but I had no idea it was at the end of Season 1. I just finished watching it. I'm enjoying Season 2 so far. And Lisa Howard was SO sexy!

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

Get ready for major disappointment. After season 2, there's nothing good.

[@glennhubbard5008]

@@CurlyFromTheSwirly You know, I enjoyed the show all the way through Season 4. But Season 5 was just awful. I mean, the wheels came off.

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

@@glennhubbard5008 You have more patience than me. I stopped somewhere in season 3.

[@glennhubbard5008]

@@CurlyFromTheSwirly Finishing Season 5 was a chore. One reason I stayed with it was because Jayne Heitmeyer was just so beautiful.

[@clementroach5299]

Season 1 was great. Season 2 was good but started to spin outa control. A few episodes into season 3 and the shows just stupid now. I even read the summary’s for all the episodes after it it just sounds even more dumber

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

I agree. I remember season 3 feeling like they had no ideas and kept doing the same things. I couldn't watch anymore.

[@alexb4583]

Season 5 sucks. Its almost a shame to watch.