Ranked sets with the Number 1 Modern Luke

[@hteety]

From what I can tell, the biggest difference between Modern and Classic is # of interactions you need to win, and in return, how easy it is to win interactions. Modern allows faster reactions to win interactions classic can't, but due to lower damage on those specific interactions where they use modern reaction, they have to win more of them. They can't, for instance, optimize combos since they're missing specific normals. Meanwhile, classic loses more interactions due to lack of speed, but they don't have to win as many since their combo game is stronger. I think there's a balance that can be found here. I do think there are specific interactions that may need looking at, but overall Modern is a good thing for the game I think, and adds variety to the game within character matchups.

[@ryanq1687]

Nail on the head. I play Ryu Classic and Modern and yeah I just think it's different. Lowkey wish Ryu's lvl 1 was anything like Luke's tho lol

[@xXTheAroXx]

this was a great analysis. would you say the one-button supers are the thing that needs the most tuning? and what do you think they should do about it?

[@snowys4168]

@@xXTheAroXx They should leave one button supers alone imo. People are talking about how DR is op and makes neutral nonexistent, but with one button supers you can check way more things which slows the game down to where it should be. It really feels like the game was designed around modern.

[@chachock6728]

you can do motions on modern to get the same damage

[@ryanq1687]

@@chachock6728 you can but not for all versions of specials sometimes. For example in modern, ryu only has m tatsu and m donkey kick so he still loses out on oki from l tatsu and combo potential from counter hit h donkey kick. It's still a balance.

[@tripelon]

I'm a modern luke, and i beated this ken in diamond 5 ranked, he then goes to create custom room.... im like "oh cool, we can keep practicing our flaws". He then proceeds to type "trash modern players" then leaves... lol 🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂

[@arpadszabo661]

So he was so triggered that he forgot it was his second loss, and wanted to quit, and accidentally created a custom room lmao.

[@DrSwazz]

Lmaooooo I’ve seen someone angrily swap through the options after losing and miss the quit button as well. Always funny as hell

[@br00kdale]

How I wish there was voice chat in street fighter

[@Grux_ASG]

I don't use modern because I think it's harder to hold the alt move button, but I wouldn't be against grinding it out, could be fun.

[@AyaanZaz]

average ken

[@snowys4168]

Everytime I hear salt about Luke level 1 super I do a Grinch grin. This character is so much fun to play on modern.

[@arpadszabo661]

Everytime i hear salt about modern controls, i do the same. My favourite SF6 moment is probably when i got a hate message because of modern controls, rematched the guy while using Classic controls, beat him again, and then he blocked me.

[@MarcosVinicius-ge2ry]

@@arpadszabo661 It must be so satisfying😂

[@reeeeeeee-e2g]

​@MarcosVinicius-ge2ry i don't play rank on modern luke coz I'm waiting for my leverless to arrive. But man, the times i stole a round or game coz they do risky moves and i just do a modern CA3 is god tier 😂😂😂😂

[@duxnihilo]

@@arpadszabo661Hahahaha

[@kickasscowell5654]

They should've given you a break dude

[@bugcatcherharold5315]

20:47 "Where you going?" "Away."

[@nobodyinparticular80]

This guy had good offense and excellent blocking. Good match.

[@kaemonbonet4931]

That full screen drive rush heavy kick looks like hell on earth

[@fireblur]

Besides the level 1s, SolVNG did nothing here that was specific to Modern. He’s just good.

[@kaemonbonet4931]

I mean, he did it with less normals

[@invertbrid]

Well his modern power mostly that lvl 1 only anyway iirc. And maybe ez dp but classic can do that too

[@fireblur]

@@invertbrid yeah but at 1600 dmg for some one-off Level 1s (if he used the macro) ain’t a dominating force

[@invertbrid]

@@fireblur yea agree too. Despite lvl 1 on reaction, everything else mostly same as classic. This luke player is jusf good.

[@TheTormentor]

I the modern Luke shouldn’t use DR>StHK(Heavy Button) but to be more optimal and also more plus frame to use FwHp(Fw Heavy Button) Also in 04:20 that corner combo wasn’t optimal as Luke player he could do after light perfect knuckle into M sand blast then lv1 super And in 07:20 also that wasn’t optimal for modern he should do M knuckle which will be PC then he connect if near CrHp and far CrMp then he cont he combo with corner carry or make 62% damage with lv3 combo

[@Forward.4]

GGs i was lukes modern Lvl 1

[@alexanderdenison2950]

Every time i accidently glare at twitch chat in a brian F video i read something dumb lol

[@Tech_Support404]

I would argue that Modern Control players would be a couple of ranks down in Classic, like, Master Modern = Classic Diamond 3 or 4 Also: Luke does leverl 1 at mid range* "Why does he hit me from that far?" Proceed to do a JP FULL SCREEN level 3* lol

[@Justaguy593]

I dont know…it cant be fun to play jp

[@MarcosVinicius-ge2ry]

Even though he's a zoner, his combos are really cool, worth learning.

[@arpadszabo661]

Its fun when you just want to win. If you’re somewhat decent at the game, its a free winstreak below diamond. But i still don’t think he fits the franchise at all with his moveset. A character whose main focus is zoning feels really out of place to me in SF.

[@MarcosVinicius-ge2ry]

@@arpadszabo661 guile be like: Am i a joke to you?

[@arpadszabo661]

@@MarcosVinicius-ge2ryyeah, no. Guile is not even close. He has 1 zoning ability and only a bad matchup for those who can’t resist to jump on him. While JP has 5 different zoning tools and a move that makes him invulnerable against anything that’s not a super, and creates a counterattack.

[@snowys4168]

@@arpadszabo661 @Scrubquotes

[@freddurst4420]

does Brian_F play any real fighting characters? or just wizards and witches?

[@IndyNDYT]

What the hell is chat going on about lmao

[@zerdodylan]

what is the music at the start

[@garethcf1016]

Im curious as to how modern stacks up in danage when you throw counterhits into the mix. Feels like you should be getting way more counters and opportunities to combo in modern, but how does that stack up against the dmg nerf

[@ninjaniknik6136]

Supers don't have increased dmg from counter hits so no improvements there at least

[@snowys4168]

The damage nerf is only for the one button specials and supers, so whenever you combo into a super and use regular inputs it's the same damage. Slightly less because luke loses 4hk but that's only for his punish routes when you are dumping drive meter.

[@Rybkinrolla]

I’m playing modern Luke. So let me tell you what you’re paying for having instant supers and DP: - you’re losing not only 20% damage on this, but also don’t forget about important normals like 5lk and 5mk. For some reason people consider normals as useful only if they are used in combos, that’s not right. Modern Luke doesn’t have decent air-to-air option. - some specials can’t be done with classic style, so they lose their 20% of damage forever. - for most important Luke normal buttons - 2mp and 5hp you need to press two buttons instead of one in classic style. And believe me it’s harder. - autocombos suck so much it would be better to have them disabled. For doing 2mp I need to press assist button, which is used for autocombo also. So I can’t just to hit two 2mp in a row, cause it leads to autocombo - if it’s blocked, you get full punish, while classic players can use this as pressing. P.S. why does nobody complain about Honda antiair even on classic controls? It doesn’t need even a direction, just ONE BUTTON and you can continue full punish combo.

[@thomaslane3796]

actually you can do two 2mp in a row! you just have to let go of both medium and assist before pressing them together again for the second one it takes some getting used to for sure but it's still possible! fully agreed that auto combos are trash tho

[@SaokoTz]

If I were to update this control style, I'd remove the 1-button supers, they'd have to be a sequence of button presses at the very least. I'd add the option to activate and deactivate automatic combos, and I'd add more moves using R2, which is practically useless. If the dummy would no longer have access to super so easily, then I'd free up more hits for him. Obviously with a 20% damage reduction.

[@godlovesteton]

@@SaokoTzgood thing you’re not updating it

[@bebop306]

Never seen Brain F get so salty before. At least from the KZbin videos I’ve seen 😂😅

[@tripelon]

as a modern luke, i feel attacked by his disgust haha, i honestly feel luke is so so honest.... cammy and jury on the other hand....

[@KaptnKramer]

@@tripelon Its that he has NO flaws. Great walkspeed, Damage, and every move a Shoto would ever want that's amazing. Best fireball, best Level one super.Level three is amazing. Normals that make you feel like your in a frame trap for how far they go, throw loops you name it. The only hard part is that his combos can be difficult. Cammy and Juri Have flaws that are relevant. Though they are insanely strong, they can be countered play to an extent where as Luke there is not so much. Couple that with Modern and you have one of the most annoying characters.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

​@@KaptnKramerWhat relevant flaws does Juri have? She, Ken and Luke are the most well rounded characters in the game.

[@KaptnKramer]

@@vanjagalovic3621 fuhajin is -6 on block. Most people aren’t good enough to use her level 2. Lower damage. Has to stack for fireballs. Slower buttons. Super is good but not full screen instant sniper. I said she is insanely strong but Luke is on another level.

[@garethcf1016]

So i guess its just the difference between being insane at one thing but kinda meh at the rest, and being not so insane, but being good at everything. Theres just no weakness to leverage

[@lobocruz219]

I want to see MenaDR VS brian_f make it possible

[@razorback3358]

It's MenaRD

[@chrxs61632]

*RD

[@poyotoniumakaryan3514]

Mena drive rush

[@lobocruz219]

@@chrxs61632 hahahah RD

[@remrik8178]

Lol make lvl1 his only option then when u can make the read just jump kick an full combo GL

[@boredgames4794]

throws four ghosts in a row when luke was in burnout and gets level one'd then complains about modern lol

[@tripelon]

amen brother

[@elnopalero4691]

Brian_F might be the most chill gamer I follow but we’re still human lol. Everyone sprinkles a little salt sometime I like it

[@kaemonbonet4931]

Look, brother, the sun was in his eyes.

[@Lysanderofthewildwind]

6:58 you're WACKKKKKKKK!!! Your modern controls are WACK! Everthing are WACK!

[@rev1189]

Nice

[@AB-tb7bt]

Classic JP vs Modern any character is easy mode game honestly. Faster interactions doesn't compensate for the damage % drop. Also funny how he complains about modern when this guy was using for 99% of the match mostly classic neutral stuff with less normals. The guy is just really good.

[@hayderhassan7939]

Why when lose start asking for nerfing luke SA1 Why being a nerd and spamming nerf trash talk

[@BoltTheEmolga]

Legitimate question: People always go to Luke’s Lv1 super as part of why he’s top tier, but why does that matter so much? A level 1 is a level 1 in either case, and I can’t imagine the difference in them would give such a large advantage, with it not actually being used very often (outside of modern shenanigans). I understand I’m missing something, I’m asking what.

[@bwnnn]

It's strong for the same reason that his fireball is strong. You can use level 1 to whiff punish from half screen away due to its speed and reach. It also has strike/throw invulnerability - not all level 1 supers do. And because it's a flurry of projectiles, you can sometimes use it to react to fireballs. Other characters have to use level 2 or 3 to do that.

[@snowys4168]

Luke's level 1 has more range and beats projectiles, I don't think anyone else on the cast has that.

[@evilded2]

Because it's a mult hit armor breaking invisible projectile super with great range. Any action that has more than about 30 total frames of duration can be reliably punish from a half screen distance.

[@Z7Games]

It has a lot of things going for it: > Very high projectile speed means you can react punish a LOT of things that other supers can't. > Multi-projectile barrage means it's much harder to jump over or use an projectile-invulnerable move. > Because it's harder to jump you'll parry or block making it very safe and hard to punish.

[@bergods4189]

Brian f saltying about luke while playing the most discusting and lame zoner character in the game 😂

[@breedingpitmetal]

Not a fan of having to play Modern players, in all honesty. I don't want to be Negative Nancy, but I enjoy the Classic Controls and want to keep using them, but it just feels like a huge disadvantage in some situations. I don't want to try and trash Moder players or whatever, you do you, I just would appreciate being able to filter Modern players from my Ranked Games, because let's keep it 100, one button DPs and invicibles are an actual gamechanger.

[@Gurl_pNg]

I play Luke but with classic controls because I dont wanna learn a whole new control scheme and Im not cringe even though I use Luke.

[@moanasandford4029]

The question is : can a JP player complain about another character, modern or not ? 😂

[@rob0duck430]

Im glad to see im not the only one that gets salty against Modern players

[@anthonygomez3915]

I mean it’s one thing to get salty at a specific mechanic from Modern. It’s another to blame your loss on the other player being in Modern. Some players think they’re losing only because of the control scheme and it’s pure comedy

[@SchzyKonis]

Skill issue tbh

[@chepemasacuata1]

You're just getting outplayed, heavily limited lmao. Also amazing how brian complains about level 1 when in the previous round he got 40% from one OD amnesia

[@ashtheswan705]

@@pablodavidgaytanrodriguez4829 Yeah, if the player didnt use their tools well they wouldnt win. youre just describing how fighting games work lmao

[@chumbeke6045]

​@@chepemasacuata1JP players will just complain about any character that has tools to counter them lmao