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@Simmlex2 жыл бұрын
Miko's hand gesture means "fox".
@umarojoga58762 жыл бұрын
idle aniamtions next? xD
@Vizible212 жыл бұрын
@@Simmlex i really don't get why anyone wouldn't recognize that as a fox. They probably never played with shadows on the wall before. Well I guess not everyone has a childhood outside of video games. Lmao
@Catz20032 жыл бұрын
Can you rank all 5 star splash art? Or all 4 star splash art? I just love your videos like these and I want you to do something like that
@zennyvine75712 жыл бұрын
hi can you also do idle animations? think that would be cool
@seraphywang46382 жыл бұрын
Just a note on Qiqi, if you slow it down a lot, you can actually see her switching the sword between her right and left hand which is such a cool detail since other characters clearly show their preference for a right or left hand and this may be because she forgot or she’s just ambidextrous.
@MrCafitzgerald2 жыл бұрын
Uh, neither do I. I... already forgot.
@OC_2 жыл бұрын
Are you right or left handed? Qiqi: "uuuuuh, I forgot"
@namjoonslostairpods36732 жыл бұрын
same with Keqing if you slow her attacks down a bit you can see the sword switch from right to left
@CarbRundum2 жыл бұрын
I love the idea that Qiqi literally just forgets which hand she's dominant with
@A_random_funeral_consultant2 жыл бұрын
Qiqi’s skill with a sword is very impressive when you consider she was trapped in amber for 2000 ish years (and still remembers her technique) swapping hands mid swing is not easy, I have tried sword art in real life and it takes serious practice I gave up on trying it as a right handed fencer because it takes a lot to master especially if you bind a shield on your non dominant arm, plus she is a child so aside from the adeptal power she has weak arms, I feel like she deserves a lot more credit as a character
@chips142 жыл бұрын
12:47 In japanese culture(and I'm sure others) that hand gesture is used to signify foxes. The pointer and pinky fingers are the ears of the fox and unlike a "metal" gesture, the thumb, middle, and ring finger all make a point like a foxes mouth.
@aubergenie1272 жыл бұрын
In my elementary school this was a handsign used by the teacher and students to show other students that they are supposed to be quiet xD
@khmerrealidear2 жыл бұрын
@@aubergenie127 cool
@Vizible212 жыл бұрын
@@aubergenie127 that would be a middle finger for us.
@KsKsyl2 жыл бұрын
Wow someone rlly knows smth 👁️👄👁️
@kiwicrackers41942 жыл бұрын
I can hear the "Kon kon~"
@super91922 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, the colour of albedos flower in his attack string changes with the infusion! If u use chongyun then there will be a light blue flower instead of gold !!! Same with bennet!!!
@CrystalRubyMoon2 жыл бұрын
Oooo thats very interesting! I wanna try that out in my account later 👀
@HdF-Nota2 жыл бұрын
Ooh cool let me activate my C6 to try it... Wait...
@lets-all-love-lain2 жыл бұрын
Wait I'm an albedo main how did I not know this????
@Satono36062 жыл бұрын
@@lets-all-love-lain Maybe because you never use chongyun with him...? I ever use albedo with chongyun and that's before 2.3
@HdF-Nota2 жыл бұрын
@@Satono3606 I tried it, but it's nothing surprising. The flower is like a part of the attack, so when it gets infused it gets coloured like the actual trail of the swing
@DaiPai17772 жыл бұрын
im sad you didn't include the "back to idle" animations from each attack in your ranking reasons. they add so much personality and flair to the characters and might have made the scoring a bit more varied and interesting. maybe we'll get a ranking/tier list for that next?
@JohnJillky2 жыл бұрын
Amen. Every new character that gets released, I have to check that
@SanjeevKumarPitaShree2 жыл бұрын
I think a new video is not a good idea. Older characters don't have it except a little few, while just MHY recently started giving back to idle animations on newer characters.
@jiyuu25442 жыл бұрын
Really shows Jean's personality.
@DaiPai17772 жыл бұрын
@@SanjeevKumarPitaShree could simply just do it for the ones that have them then no?
@Starling21002 жыл бұрын
I know she’s not 5 star, but Kujou Sara’s back to idle animations are so cool
@spiderdude20992 жыл бұрын
The hand gesture Yae Miko is doing isn’t even the “death metal devil fingers” gesture if you look closely. She has her thumb touching the pads of her third and fourth fingers. This gesture is meant to look like a fox head, or kitsune which she is.
@negspirito2 жыл бұрын
Nah, the amazing thing about Yoimiya's normals is that each one has a unique and fun "back-to-idle" animation if you stop attacking mid string I mean, she sheaths her bow!
@marcynarcy0494 Жыл бұрын
litterarly how could you NOT like yoimiyas normal attacks? i main her and i swear everytime i have to admire them atleast once a day, this stuff keeps me sane
@fabiolalara18749 ай бұрын
Fischl and Lyney too I think (?…
@Zahvage2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a ranking of post-attack animations. Like how Eula kicks the sword back if you interrupt her attack string or how Kazuha sheaths his sword in various ways depending on when you stop his attack string 😁
@SanjeevKumarPitaShree2 жыл бұрын
No. Not many characters have it. Old characters don't have it compared to recently new releases characters. They just started giving these to newer characters. Maybe in future when we have more characters.
@m_12302 жыл бұрын
Kazuha's are so cool he makes me wanna use his auto attacks even though I'm on a full em build
@thetrueyawn2 жыл бұрын
dont forget hu tao's
@ebc69702 жыл бұрын
@@SanjeevKumarPitaShree Fischl has one though
@XinyueLim. Жыл бұрын
@@SanjeevKumarPitaShree Fischl does, and she's a first patch character
@Lavender10442 жыл бұрын
Yesssss a splash art tierlist would be amazing !!!
@ThatKidWolfy2 жыл бұрын
This!!
@k_benicool2 жыл бұрын
right
@vukkicos56882 жыл бұрын
Archons and Yae Miko 10/10 by default
@youdonotcare2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Qiqi is implied to be related to Keqing. Qiqi’s normal attack is called “Ancient Yunlai Swordsmanship” in Chinese and some other languages, which references Keqing’s Yunlai Swordsmanship. Also their hair is purple.
@cyralamen2 жыл бұрын
+ pink eyes
@antonosaurusu2 жыл бұрын
I think Yae tries making a mini kitsune or fox head with her hands, or am I just flat-out wrong?
@seraphywang46382 жыл бұрын
No, you’re right
@tabioca2 жыл бұрын
OKAY THAT TRANSITION FROM AYAKA’S TO AYATO’S ATTACKS WAS SO GOOD
@lemoarosauros2 жыл бұрын
I think its pretty safe to assume that Venti's charged attacks are going to be unique for him even if another anemo bow characters appear. All of his skills have feathers, its his theme, like dandelions for Jean or stars for Mona.
@steina15432 жыл бұрын
I have to admit that you've made me love water effects. Before I didn't really pay them any mind, but they've grown on me after watching your videos. And Mona's attacks are stunning with galaxy aesthetics mixed with the water. It's just a shame I don't have her
@jaspersoranges2 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: Qiqi's and Keqing's auto attacks and charge attacks both share some similarities, especially the charged and the fact that they both change their dominant hands while fighting
@staarfall53172 жыл бұрын
qiqi's regular attack is called ancient yunlai swordsmanship, and keqings is called yunlai swordsmanship. comsidering qiqi is over 1000 years old, and both keqing and qiqi have purple hair and pink eyes AND both reside in liyue, they might be related
@ErisNoir11 ай бұрын
@@staarfall5317OMG TRUEEE!!! THAT WOULD MAKE QIQI KEQING'S ANCESTOR,or something like that...poor QIQI😭
@fizzyjam2 жыл бұрын
yoimiyas basic attacks are amazing because she has so much ENERGY and EXCITEMENT oozing out of her, its incredible how they designed her
@PersonWhoIsTired2 жыл бұрын
Fun video. Glad to see appreciation for normal and charged attacks. I do disagree on not needing to use a lot of them, cause nothing have stopped me from using the normal attacks of Raiden, Ganyu, Xiao and so on. Losing DPS? I don't do abyss. Fudge that. Normal attacks is life. And I thank Yun Jin and Ayato for their normal attack buffs.
@caparashon2 жыл бұрын
This is such a fun ranking. I love all the Inazuman sword users' attacks, so stylish. Personally as a Xiao main, I do use his normals and charged a lot. Not only they're part of his best plunge combos, but also in the map I don't really use his burst all that much since everything is so weak it dies immediately and it can be a waste. Usually with his E and some combos it's enough and also fun to kill the last hilichurl with that claw-like charged attack
@kickasterisk61552 жыл бұрын
I think what kills my enjoyment when playing with Mona is her elemental skill, her attack animations are literally stellar and her burst is phenomenal, but the skill? it looks dreadful (in my opinion)
@manicyume2 жыл бұрын
It literally doesn't match her AT ALL
@SilentlyMysterius12 жыл бұрын
I love to waste time by just attacking with Raiden. Her animation when she walks and spins her polearm in front of her is beautiful. I love to do that then just before the weapon starts to dissipate, use the charged attack. Oh god it is amazing
@ejirokirishima46042 жыл бұрын
As somebody who is also absolutly i love with everything itto related, you gushing about him makes me smile everytime
@viviangansey2 жыл бұрын
I love Kokomi and Klee's attacks, so glad that you agreed!
@slyblue87612 жыл бұрын
I used to be a Diluc main, and i just love the fact that his attacks are as boring and straight to the point as he is. I sure love using Itto cause he’s supper fun (and Ningguang cause of the pretty shiny rocks) but from a character design standpoint, Diluc is just perfect 😂
@mikansakura22 жыл бұрын
I love the gacha splash art idea! Personally i'd put Albedo at the top haha but I'd be really interested in what you have to say :)
@DDGFK97432 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of spash art rating, also maybe an outfit rating? Like how cool/elegant/whatever a character's outfit looks. Example: Kaeya has a lot going on with his studded bracelets, abyss mage scarf thing, icicle earring, and corset, and stars that might be associated with celestia/his original homeland. Tartaglia is..kinda boring for someone associated with the fatui. Like, we see so many cool outfits from people associated with the fatui, but then Tartaglia wears grey with a red scarf. Or Mona, I have a personal headcannon that she's too poor to afford matching shoes. Idk, seems like a cool idea.
@rirururu46972 жыл бұрын
This was very nicely made. I love the scoring system you used! It looks like a ton of bow users, claymore users, and polearm users lost out just for having the same charge attack. I wonder why all the sword and catalyst users get unique charge attacks but not them.
@you_know_me_i_knew_you2 жыл бұрын
11:33 i figured this out myself and all the archons have special charged attacks so i think its just because venti is Barbatos
@ruska98312 жыл бұрын
Yesss to Splash Art ranking. How about idles (with or without considering the accompanying voice lines)?
@prin11722 жыл бұрын
THE WAY I DIED FROM LAUGHTHER WHEN YOU SAID "She has water." ON KOKOMI AND GAVE HER FULL RATING IM DEAD AHHAHAHA
@BIGAMBERFAN2 жыл бұрын
i love the heel skid hu tao does at the end of her non-infused charge attack
@draeitygmon65362 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think Hu Tao deserves a 5 in normal attack. She has a unique animation praying for her enemies safe passage to the afterlife, with a bit of teasing to add insult to injury at the end. She may also deserve a +1 in charge attack given that she skids to a halt afterward unlike other polearm characters that spin forward. p.s. You may want to take a closer look at how some characters sheathe their weapons. There are some interesting animations to be had there. Yoimiya, for instance, after finishing her final normal attack puts her weapon away the same way a samurai would sheathe a sword. Mimicking other Inazuma characters when they wield swords, despite the fact she actually uses a bow instead.
@etheliaowo75332 жыл бұрын
A splash art tier list would be cool
@OfficialQueenAshfire2 жыл бұрын
He didn’t even mention if you look closer to kokomi’s charge attack you see a school of fish swimming together
@mcatrigger2 жыл бұрын
It's good that you actually get to see yae miko's normal attacks and charged attacks (main dps play style).
@artaizen16132 жыл бұрын
my god, thanks for making me laugh 8:28 5/5 for all parameter, the comment "water go splish splash" lol
@aces63382 жыл бұрын
Found this channel and really enjoying it :D A breath of fresh air from entiteled omegawhales and actually someone who appreciates many parts of the game such as animations, design etc. :)
@jet6872 жыл бұрын
What I find unique about Jean's auto attacks is how strong and heavy they look. It's like she puts all her strength in every swing of her sword. Even the charge attack has a shake to emphasize her strength. It's not flashy but it's intense. Like how did they do it?
@mhbarney84992 жыл бұрын
Man the music on your videos is so diverse. I love it. From Monster Hunter to Bravely Default 2 ... so many good stuff.
@aznya2 жыл бұрын
"I look forward to a day where Keqing will be meta again" Dendro: *I have been summoned.*
@MuhaamadAreeb Жыл бұрын
7:08 well you must be happy then
@MisoSanSoup2 жыл бұрын
okay but seriously, your videos are so freakin' good and you present your subjects in such an amazing way! Very entertaining and very good to listen to. And the Ragnarok Online music tracks are just a bonus on top
@Catherine-cn2 жыл бұрын
Idle tierlist/ranking would be pretty cool
@thepokemaster93882 жыл бұрын
You're seriously underrated for how good your videos are. Keep them up; they're entertaining to watch!
@chausauyu14492 жыл бұрын
super awesome video! u could rank idle animations!
@Newspaper.Ojisan2 жыл бұрын
Your love for Itto really resonate with me ahaha XD I love him so much ❤️❤️ New sub!
@jachymsmudek59032 жыл бұрын
Awesome video dude. Good job
@Ratheil2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@chips142 жыл бұрын
yeahhh i've been waiting for this one
@mrinfinity12172 жыл бұрын
Love the editing man, keep it up.
@querri41442 жыл бұрын
Yes to splash art tier list! These are very entertaining and love to see all the great art and animation appreciated
@CloudyKoon2 жыл бұрын
1:53 amazing transition
@cannolicorgi89132 жыл бұрын
I really love Yoimiya's because the way she lines her bow directly with her body and the poses she does are all things from Chinese archery, whereas the other bow users do pretty standard European archery. I don't know which style is more useful (from what I've learned, Chinese is better for combat but European is just all around more practical... like Venti and Kazuha... but I only know how to perform basic European archery) but Chinese archery is so pleasing to watch. I want to learn so bad...
@soybeans23012 жыл бұрын
I loved the video! I think it would be very interesting to see the splash art idea or even idle animations :))
@librae352 жыл бұрын
5:48 we lost another comrade in the hands of arataki itto
@topiaz2 жыл бұрын
i'm so glad you appreciated the feathers on venti's charged attack, because i don't see them mentioned that often
@apollo8292 жыл бұрын
fun fact about albedo: that star that forms around his sword in his attack animations changes color when his attacks are fused with different elements (red/orange for pyro, light blue for cryo, and darker blue for hydro) raiden does this as well
@nightfallnoir2 жыл бұрын
Aaaaaand not first comment! XD Anyways, thanks for ranking all these attacks and so on - Auto Attacks really are the precious thing about 5 stars. The thing how they make new similar looking ones, similar to Albedo and Ayato with their elegance… Keep up doing what you do!
@Ratheil2 жыл бұрын
There really are a lot of amazing ones, like a loooot. Luckily characters like Shenhe/Yun Jin/Chongyun help make them more viable!
@nightfallnoir2 жыл бұрын
@@Ratheil Btw love the sentence at 6:08 „Even if you don‘t factor the fact that…“ xD Also a coincidence, my first 5 star was Jean too!! It happened on Zhongli‘s first banner! XD
@nightfallnoir2 жыл бұрын
@@Ratheil Oh and the thing Yae Miko does with her hand is supposed to be a fox. 🦊 I think it‘s a japanese hand sign.
@clakesnake32682 жыл бұрын
Definitely wanna see the splash list, sounds neat
@sarahismyalias46722 жыл бұрын
I'm seriously addicted to your ranking videos 😭. And yes please do a splash art one.
@tyshen03292 жыл бұрын
i am just happy you've been using maplestory and pokemon OST as background music. they sure brought back the old days.
@Josh-mm1gs Жыл бұрын
7:01 bro predicted the future
@fuji.21 Жыл бұрын
I WANTED TO SAY THE SAMW 😂
@rawdha32462 жыл бұрын
yaemiko does the thing with her hand bcs it's a fox 😭 like when you're a kid and you make shadow puppets, that's what you'd do for a dog or a fox and she's a kitsune, i think it's really cool!!
@closeted-skeleton2 жыл бұрын
rating each characters concepts and how well they were brought into the character like how well did they show choung yun was an exorcist or how eula is a noble
@iri7832 жыл бұрын
12:47 if you squint. it kinda looks like a hand puppet fox. like yk those hand movements you could do in front of a light & their shadows would look like animals, like a deer or a bird
@kirrei2 жыл бұрын
a cute thing about Ganyu’s charged attack is it forms a little flower before she releases the arrow, but that’s about it :)
@The1andonlysharpshooter2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been WAITING for this one 😼
@CrystalRubyMoon2 жыл бұрын
Haha I dont fault you for loving the water effects. Theyre just so pretty!!
@anadoesthings2 жыл бұрын
splash art rank sounds cool, i'm curious what you think cuz i did my version so i want to compare it
@hriata1682 жыл бұрын
Mihoyo needs needs to add more diverse artifacts like a 2 piece that reduces charged attack cost or give stamina Also much needed qol update would be a seperate version of stamina for charged attacks that has less gauge but recharges significantly faster or something... maybe it'll buff keqing and probably hutao
@reijiyamamoto94072 жыл бұрын
They missed the chance of making echoes 2pc increase atk speed.
@Dennis387462 жыл бұрын
4:21 if you pause it there, you can see that it looks like a flower, so I would give it a bit more for that prop, but you like what you like
@Dennis387462 жыл бұрын
well you have to pause it when it's about to land the shards
@SirAinlistor2 жыл бұрын
The final Yae animation you talk about is often associate as being a fox face by the Japanese people (the Japanese people part might be wrong but I see them do it the most so....), that is why she does it, because it's a fox, and she is a fox.
@Matthew-cx9pw2 жыл бұрын
7:01 “i look forward to a day where keqing could be a bit more meta” that day is tomorrow, my friend!
@Ratheil2 жыл бұрын
It'll help it's just not quite what I wanted since any generic electro changes will make already insane units like Raiden even stronger. But one step at a time.
@megabuster39402 жыл бұрын
Hu Tao's charged attack has a different effect from the actual generic polearm attack drill effect Hers actually looks like you took the effect you get from a plunge attack and flipped it horizontally
@lunarray29182 жыл бұрын
i think the splash animation tier list would be awesome and would hope to see it
@YourBoyToy17692 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid I love the editing! I agree with most of these but think Tartar sauce should get an extra point on CA for the riptide effect since it is a separate effect from the melee riptide
@Kidneyfailure12 жыл бұрын
fun fact about ayato , when he puts his sword back into the holder , the side that cuts is actually facing up, how it puts it in is he spin the sword towards himself , thats why when u do his first attack , he moves to the side so that when he spins the sword it wouldnt cut him
@disgracedwafer2 жыл бұрын
I love this video! Good first experience
@lastnamefirstname86552 жыл бұрын
nice. i've been waiting for this one.
@mav59072 жыл бұрын
You deserve more subs really
@Ratheil2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! That's very kind of you to say :)
@bryansanchez052 жыл бұрын
have you seen the animations between attacks? like each character has a different animation for them to return to their resting position if you do 1 attack and stop, 2 attacks and stop, 3 and 4 they often return to their position on a different manner and shows more about their personality I love to see Hu Tao's and Ayato's
@scale_burn46392 жыл бұрын
7:01 "I look forward to a day where keqing could be a bit more meta again" Dendro: Your wish is granted.
@Ratheil2 жыл бұрын
Mostly, I still have many problems with just how she's played but she's certainly much much stronger.
@wolfnik25962 жыл бұрын
About Ather: i just love his 3. Attack becauseizs just such a cool hero pose and yeahhhh
@AdamrulestheworldXD12 жыл бұрын
Sick ayaka to ayato edit!
@Ratheil2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I really wanted to do that lol glad it turned out well enough
@sakaly822 жыл бұрын
Love the edit on this one, and makes you see how much detail there is for the animations in the game. On another note, is there really that much Ganyu hate in the comments as you say? I don't get why, she's a greatly designed character overall, is it because she's so broken that people dislike her? Smh
@Ratheil2 жыл бұрын
There really is a lot of Ganyu hate, it's usually among other opinions rather than outright hate. People making their own lists rating her lowly, trashing her "boring" gameplay or meta status, stuff like that. I understand people finding her boring even if I don't, she's very repetitive after all. To each their own, that being said I don't understand the people that hate her visual design, I think she looks great.
@bigballedlegend55922 жыл бұрын
i feel like people still feel bitter about her since she was our first super powerful 5 star DPS, and everyone was crying about powercreep. since then, we've had just as strong units, and some now even stronger for abyss/speedrunning teams like eula, ayaka, raiden, etc which makes me sad bcs i was a ganyu haver ever since 1.2 and love her charge shot playstyle 😔😔 i get why people might find it boring but for people like me who like playing it, its super satisfying to land your shots
@Insertregret2 жыл бұрын
@@Ratheil boring = hate?
@PGM9912 жыл бұрын
the way Sara sheath her bow is 10/10. every hit is different and show off her cool strong stern militaristic perfectly. check it out.
@-almndflur-86052 жыл бұрын
Yae might do the little sign because it means foxes, and she herself is a fox. Her thing really is foxes..
@andreafilippini31442 жыл бұрын
I'm pulling Kokomi mostly because of the love Ratheil has for her animations and effects, and that love has been somehow taught to me through this videos
@El9069 Жыл бұрын
Ngl it would also be nice if u rated the weapon disappearing animations on them! I personally love yoimiya’s one where she literally puts her bow away like she is putting her katana away!
@jcjustice96722 жыл бұрын
On a technicality childe has 2 normal atk and charged atk strings and they arent considered skill animations cz they only skill animation u get is the stance
@christiank56752 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think judging childe by only one attack animation when his whole thing is having two stances is a bit silly.
@MmMm-mr6tf2 жыл бұрын
He judge childe's melee normal attacks on the skill ranking
@gray62092 жыл бұрын
i love your vids like these
@Ratheil2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy them! :)
@XXSQUIDGLEYXX2 жыл бұрын
One thing I love about xiaos animations is that they look powerful. Some characters looks pretty but don't look like they would do damage
@hazeq71952 жыл бұрын
Childes normal attack string slides him backwards. If you look closely you will see that he keeps his legs on the ground the whole time and the movement backwards is just the momentum from his attacks
@monasux2 жыл бұрын
Great content and amazing editing as always! Always looking forward to your videos!! Splash art ranking would be a great idea so looking forward to it, also idk if you’ve done this but how about also doing characters’ idle lines ranking?! 🤔 (when they stand around and start talking)
@lebulldog6757 Жыл бұрын
For Raiden, it make sense considering her polearm isn't a spear but a Nanigata. It's like a Katana attached to a huge stick. If you use her with Engulfing Lightning, her NA looks normal. And to be honest, considering she is a god, she probably could kill anything while holding her polearm by the pike
@kimpatrickmagdangan10422 жыл бұрын
You got me laughing in the Yoimiya part HAHAHA
@suu6962 жыл бұрын
What do you think of an idle animation or weapon sheathing tier list?
@ArgoBargo2 жыл бұрын
I feel like shenhe’s floaty attacks are a reference to the way martial arts films would put the characters on wires, like in crouching tiger hidden dragon.
@samanthanightingale85482 жыл бұрын
i was just binge watching these tier list videos and im so early to this one????
@mary_saotome._.s1mp3832 жыл бұрын
Kokomi throws FISH at enemies. She’s my favorite hydro because when fighting the Pyro hypostasis Kokomi just- THROW FISH AT THE FIRE CUBE!
@kerusan73522 жыл бұрын
Haven't watched thee vid yet (but I know it's gonna be great) since I'm so early haha but hey Ratheil! Love your content, and your def one of if not my fave genshin youtuber even tho i just found you:)) keep it up!
@Ratheil2 жыл бұрын
Awe thanks! You have no idea how much that means to me :)
@Chosen11972 жыл бұрын
I'm down for a splash art tier list also I am appaled that you think so lowely of most of the bow user's normals