Ranking the BEST and WORST Secondary Weapons vs the Illuminate in Helldivers 2

[@harozuken]

on the crisper I LOVE the fact that I see you clearing the hoard and in the background even overseers are folding like an uncooked noodle. definitely adding this to my Mandalorian build when im in the mood for calamari.

[@dwagn1702]

What's your Mando build look like? I've been trying to make one myself

[@harozuken]

@@dwagn1702 As of right now its been fluxuating. Im only lv 30 atm so my options are limited. I use Tenderizer primary, Senator secondary, Thermite Grendades. jetpack, AMR, Eagle Airstrike, and Eagle Cluster bomb against Illuminate. BIG tip for the AMR, give yourself your own aiming Reticle for the AMR, and it becomes a devastating DMR.

[@FelisImpurrator]

The Crisper does a truly ludicrous amount of damage for a secondary, but that pre-firing windup and the microscopic mag always get me killed.

[@LordDarthHarry]

@@dwagn1702 Most authentic Mandalorian build would be: Primary: Sickle. It's literally a blaster and the stock and kinda vaguely looks like Boba Fett's EE-3 Secondary: Cripser. Duh, pocket flamethrower Support Option A: Railgun. Closest thing to Mando's Disintegrator rifle. Support Option B: Commando. Stand in for the backpack and wrist rockets. Backpac: Jump pack. Duh. And of course a Helmet with a T shaped visor along with matching armor

[@KillerBeeKeeper]

Thanks for listening to my comment dude.

[@raf8758]

Great name and pfp

[@thickums5344]

Castle crashers

[@ashleyphotog]

I do think it's an excellent tier list, though I'd put the Senator at A tier, simply becuase it takes good aim and a higher degree of skill to get the most out of it.

[@DrPooplove]

I was debating that, just felt weird to have it on the same level as the other A’s

[@ashleyphotog]

@ either way, another well presented tier list, and well thought out. Always look forward to seeing what your assessments are on you HD2 tier lists

[@robertwoods3871]

The first time I one tapped an overseer with it, I knew the senator was going with me on every dive

[@borisglevrk]

and a lower ping. Try living in the "always 300 ping" zone of the world and you'll start to hate all the low ammo, high damage guns.

[@conormartin8894]

I personally have found the P113 Verdict to be nearly as, if not more effective than the Senator against the squids. This is coming from a Senator purist so it does pain me. While the 1 shot capability is nice, the Verdict offers more versatility without a huge downside as it’s still medium pen, and has better ammo capacity. I must disagree with the C tier ranking.

[@conormartin8894]

Mag dumping into an overseer has saved my ass many times in an emergency situation when all other weapons are out of ammo, and my impact nades would’ve blown me up.

[@chaosDEJhead]

agreed, the verdict is a great jack of all trades, "oh shit button"/finisher. Also has quite a bit of ammo reserve so can be used to offset your primary ammo consumption while still performing competently. The C ranking was unjust, especially ranking it under the melee weapons

[@FelisImpurrator]

Hard agree. The Verdict is an incredible weapon. It's good on every faction - the single best secondary for Shriekers because it oneshots them and doesn't have travel time, it's fast and accurate so it can pop heads anywhere, and it's got a deep mag with generous reserves. It is the Robocop gun and it feels like it.

[@blimber]

Verdict also pretty good to destroy harvester antenna for shield so yeh definitely not c tier

[@Nosyyy]

13:21 the gas grenade was buffed to 30 destruction value, so it now destroys nests, teslas, ufos, and fabricators.

[@Edweeniest]

I was aboutta say that dang

[@fringehouse]

and in general it seems uniquely busted against Illuminate.

[@a_kuma]

There is currently a bug that grenades with a fuse will only work on one of the Illuminate ship's door. If you guessed wrong it kinda sucks. Until this is fixed I'm still sticking to impact grenades.

[@timbombadil4046]

One shoting with the senator always feels great. Taking out a harvester feels even better.

[@topsy915]

watching you launch yourself at a Harvester that many times made my night thank Dr. Pooplove

[@DrPooplove]

For Science (and Democracy)

[@somedudewithakeyboard5388]

I don't think there's ever going to be another secondary as solid as the Loyalist Literally has everything. Splash damage, high AP when charged, better-than-average ammo capacity, etc. You literally cannot go wrong with it, I love it

[@DrPooplove]

Agreed

[@EatLeadClankers]

Looks sick, too

[@shulminsama3820]

Yeah. One of the main reasons I'm compilating getting that warbond

[@FelisImpurrator]

Well... It has one downside, which is that it blows your face off in melee range even tap fired. And the mag size is pretty small for not-charged shots. On the other hand, it staggers anything, two-taps overseers, and pretty much kills half the enemy lineup outright...

[@Daydy377]

Thanks for clarifying that the Granade pistol is, in fact, a pistol that shoots granades.

[@Galanz-ep7zd]

I was just playing helldivers 2 while watching your videos, amazing content!

[@DrPooplove]

Thank you!

[@KillerBeeKeeper]

I just had an idea. Use the Flam-66 Torcher and the P-4 Senator for your load out against the Illuminate. The torcher can massacre the hoard and handle a harvester very well, and the Senator can handle the Overseer's in one shot to the head.

[@radium6962]

I use a similar loadout, but instead of the torcher I use the knight SMG [or the new smg from Killzone]. Same job, just.. conventionally.

[@DrPooplove]

I love it!

[@KillerBeeKeeper]

I would like to say that I love the Senator, so this makes me happy.

[@DaveAShepherd]

Senator is goated

[@theprocrastinator12]

Well honestly the Senator is always gonna be S tier, its so damn amazing. I was one of the few who was using it from the start so the buffs made me so happy

[@kaisermaximal8123]

Maybe this will become a yearly tradition, every December Dr. Poop love rererererererere-ranks everything

[@sivel7493]

I'd honestly rank the stun baton wayyy higher. You don't NEED to beat the Voteless until they die with the stun baton, only cripple them is enough, and that's usually 1-2 hits (1 if you have Peak Physique) to take out their legs, they literally bleed out pretty damn quickly after that crawling around. It's a pretty damn amazing weapon against voteless, I had my reservations at first but after giving it a try after learning Voteless bleeds out after having their legs blown off, it's actually amazing. It can easily solo hordes of Voteless without ammo.

[@gummygal008]

senator is the answer to everything, being chased? senator! big enemy? senator! shipmaster comments on your lack of samples after you barley survive a mission? senator!

[@George_M_]

We're bringing more flexible primaries and strategems, rof wise, so GP is the best bet, dedicated doorway popper. Unless your primary can do that. Then bring a shield dropper.

[@scubasteve743]

My baton of justice beats democracy into the foes of liberty

[@tmr3volver]

Poor little Peacemaker. Just can't seem to catch a break. Maybe when we get weapon customization it'll get some spotlight.

[@carterb.]

small thing with the stim pistol, if you are inside someone's shield backpack radius, you can shoot them to stim them, which sort of defeats the purpose of ranged stims but I'll take whatever I can get lol

[@EdBredehoft]

Just watched the primary video and you just uploaded the secondary amazing luck for me

[@jalontf2]

Now we just need a secondary Indiana Jones/Castlevania whip

[@MrMacavity]

I gotta try out the little flamer again 🔥😀 good work on these videos, you're always fun to listen to.

[@Thefool201]

14:30 ''pro tip , aiming for the head does more damage''

[@edwardro1043]

thanks for you content buddy! keep it up, and plz keep updating with buffs and nerfs! your info is invaluable

[@GuyGamble]

I go to sleep to your videos your voice is calming asf

[@porkchuggy9904]

An additional note on the melee weapons is that you can use them to break the ship shields if you have a primary that doesn't handle that task very well.

[@connordalton4553]

Senator tends to always be my go to sidearm, simply because it has a healthy ammo supply, can deal with a wide array of enemies well, and is just fun. When I feel like mixing things up, the crisper is usually the one I turn to first.

[@Crimson-kt7fd]

A combo of Torcher, Loyalist, and MG43 with a Guard dog is a pretty decent Squid combo.

[@Mr.Joe_Daddy]

just got the hang of two-tapping hulks with the senator. this information brings me great joy.

[@godgaveyouhands2848]

tip for the stun baton: aim down at the voteless' feet so when you swing you will cripple them and force them to crawl (1 hit with peak physique, 2 without)

[@blbprime11]

Perfectly timed as i just finished your primary video

[@papapreston2356]

2 vids in the same week is glorious

[@КабановАлександр-г4у]

Bushwaker is actually really good for taking down shields. If you use triple barrel, you can reliably one shot harvesters shields from medium to close range

[@nouddijkema2170]

you can actually destroy dropships, fabricators and bugnests with gas grenades now. So that might make the grenade pistol a little bit less viable?

[@zolyq8517]

What would the best special weapon be? I’m looking for something primarily to help me take down harvesters and watchers

[@hijackdallas6052]

Do you plan to make a strategem list against every faction? The Orbital Precision Strike is clearly S-Tier against the shielded Warpships, takes them down with a single shot. If there 3 of them, just dropp 1 orbital strike on the first, take the shields down the others with a primary and them shot the entrance with the grenade pistol.

[@Eric-kt9lz]

The stun lance can one shot the voteless if you hit their heads, and is very easy to do if you set your vertical FOV all the way up.

[@colinm.2202]

I have been FIENDING for more Dr Pooplove since the update.

[@ThereIsNoWifi]

When did they add the red dot to the Senator when ADS?

[@julians9899]

10:46 yes it can’t go through the shield- however! If you get real up and close just before you aim directly up from being to close your gun can aim right through it and stick em. The votless are little ankle biters so the team is always missing a bit of health so it’s an A tier pick for me

[@Thisisnotasign]

This is verdict slander, there is absolutely NO way in hell both melee weapons are above it(frankly i say they should be poop tier but im biased) and honestly i contest that it should be an A tier if the laser/shotgun are as high as they are. About the only thing it lacks in my experience is breaking shields on the ships like you mentioned but i find great success mag dumping into any overseer that gets close while im reloading, two shotting watchers without wasting primary ammo, and just having general "oh fuck" use.

[@SlavaZomba]

mag dumping any medium unit is a great niche for it in any faction. Shreds hive guards, devastators and illuminate soldiers

[@FelisImpurrator]

​@@SlavaZombaAlso it one taps shriekers without wasting damage on overkill. It's like having a tiny marksman rifle on you at all times with great ergonomics and a boatload of ammo. It's probably one of my favorite secondaries, maybe second after the Loyalist - it lacks the sheer power of that or the Senator but it has zero downsides in almost any situation other than "a bile titan is up my ass and I'm out of thermite".

[@LJK69420]

the best part of the stun lance is the metal gear reference that comes with it.

[@Jpeg.g]

The verdict has clearly never saved you from a beat down in melee with an overseer before, it can kill them so fast even to the body and saved you from voteless when using other guns.

[@NetVoyagerOne]

One thing you didn't mention about the Bushwhacker is that it absolutely deletes the shields of harvesters!

[@Andrew-b7c6u]

Thank you for this

[@MatsumotoKael13]

The Senator is probably the best sidearm in the game and I will not be convinced otherwise. Rounds reload is a MASSIVE advantage on a sidearm especially in tougher missions where ammo economy makes a diff, not to mention the excellent accuracy event at long range and the fantastic damage. I have tried a bunch of sidearms and nothing comes close. Space cowboys for life bro

[@shulminsama3820]

Take the grenade pistol to A. It's good but you can't use it close without blowing yourself up immediately, the nades bounce very often and it only has 6 shots. It's not on the same level as the rest of S

[@thebluecreeper22]

you should do a support weapon video for the illuminate!! i love the content

[@woahguy87]

Personally I put the melee weapons at A tier ONLY when you combine it with the energy shield. They save so much ammunition that I can use on the overseers.

[@AWARHERO]

Grenade pistol for Warp Ship, Blitzer for crowd control.

[@TheNightOwlKS]

For me, the only two secondary weapons I'll use against the Illuminate are the Crisper or Grenade Pistol. If I take an energy based weapon (Sickle or Blitzer), I take the Grenade Pistol. If I take the Crossbow or Eruptor, I take the Crisper.

[@bmouch1018]

Weirdly, I use my secondary a lot vs the Illuminate. I've been running a lot of beam weapons/flamethrowers so having a third option (either as one of those two or a normal pistol for emergencies when beams are too slow or they're too close for flames) one of my combos for close up Overseers is Halt on stun then cook them with the Crisper

[@That_One_Ketchup_Bottle]

Dr. Pooplove is indeed here to discuss

[@mrmofo36]

the basic starter stuff is all pretty good despite being what you start with: liberator, precision strike, machine gun, padded medium armor...but damn the peacemaker is sad and i dont know what they'd do to it beyond making it too much like a couple of the other pistols

[@13buthead]

apparently gas grenade can also explode the ships. though it's kinda bug and sometimes it doesn't work in some doors.

[@the_reservoirdog]

wake up dr.pooplove dropped a new tier list video 🗣️🔥

[@qwertymobro1487]

What settings is he using to keep the reticle active all the time

[@DarthSentinel0811]

Um... the setting that keeps the cross hair on it should be in gameplay

[@qwertymobro1487]

@ thanks

[@raf8758]

Dr. pooplove upload 🤝🏽

[@Takamiki]

i mostly agree with this list with the 2 exception being i would put the bushwacker 1 tier lower and have it sitting next to the verdict. while it's damage and spread of damage is nice it is hampered by the constant need to reload after 3 shots, making it be as effective as a verdict in the same time frame. as for the LAS dagger i would also put it a tier lower i didn't find it all that more effective then the melee weapons, mostly to deal with the voteless hoards, and with how little damage the dagger does against the overseers and shields i rather just expend some of my primary or support weapon ammo to do things quicker. as for the stim pistol... i don't have it so can't really say anything about it.

[@hotlinesniper5920]

Finally, I pass my hell diver training and I’m ready to fight and die for super earth

[@DrPooplove]

@@hotlinesniper5920 lets go!

[@santiagocar6674]

We have to admit, the game is in a really good spot. Balance has reach a point in wich lots of weapons and combination are actually viable. Is a good time to be a helldiver.

[@NoxGlvdius]

I love using the Peacekeeper in a recent Resident Evil Hunk style loadout on Super Helldive. I only use it when there’s the Voteless around, since I don’t want to waste primary or support weapon ammo. It pairs nice with Orbital Gas and Gas Nades, so you can took out the voteless with ease. Anything else, the Peacekeeper is not used. Makes me feel like a true Resident Evil Umberlla Character. Though, there’s wayy better options, I just use it for fun.

[@DrPooplove]

If you are having fun then it makes it an S!

[@MIAPhilly]

Fam, time for strategems vs all three factions. Break the videos up into strategem sections.

[@DrPooplove]

I know I have been avoiding that but I need to get to those

[@MIAPhilly]

@DrPooplove please and thank you very much!

[@JurnalTopiHitam]

8:42 when helldivers have master chief strength

[@dedman2270]

The problem is peak physique is bugged on the melee weapons you only get bonus dmg if you use your melee keybind rather than your primary

[@locallyric9013]

Man I love the big Iron.

[@JonthanWardlaw]

Crisper gets a b or maybe c. Can't hit jetpack guys or watchers. Pocket purifier gets a low b. Low magazine and ammo. Because you need a lot of ammo to combat the insane zombie numbers. Fire four shot. The pocket purifier needs a reload.

[@freezerwithani9251]

I really like the deagle for illuminate. Its good against overseers and fast fire rate maakes it good for voteless

[@Red_94016]

Dude, it’s crazy. I can’t equip anything other than the big iron. I’ll select something else but when I land I have the big iron. I’m not addicted🤭

[@dogetube89]

Fun fact the erupter can break the harvesters shield in 1-2 shots

[@Red_94016]

13:12 I hate it when those pesky Tesla towers sneak up on me🤣

[@АнанасикХитрожопый-и7в]

Peak Physique only works with a melee attack button, since "melee" weapons here are range weapons with range and reload set to 0

[@teecee1827]

This glitch is actually a semi-myth. It actually only triggers rarely and it's actually the opposite, sometimes, the melee boost is applied twice.

[@TheLongWind]

They should give the stim pistol acid rounds or something fun to switch to from stim rounds.

[@FelisImpurrator]

You just know people would forget or "forget" to switch.

[@quasar7683]

Can we get a grenade ranking?

[@clipso9061]

thank you doctor poop love

[@ichewcrayons]

The peacemaker does not in fact make peace ☕️

[@JamesXatior]

It makes democracy and spreads liberty democracy and liberty result in peace therefore the peace maker makes peace

[@beans3757]

I just wish we had a better dedicated shield weapon than the redeemer 😞

[@wyattburns5819]

you say the peacemaker is bad but you miss 60% of your shots, if you can hit heads on voteless it can be one shot kill and it would be more effective if you were as franticly shooting

[@LeonYEET]

I like the Peacemaker over the Verdict because it one shots everything the Verdict one shots but has more ammo and better recoil. Not saying the Peacemaker is very good, but the Verdict is sadly very bad and not worth imo

[@FelisImpurrator]

You talking about just on Illuminate or in general? Because saying the Verdict is bad sounds insane to me. It's easily the best all-round sidearm in the game. Medium pen, good damage, and handles literally anything below heavy armor equally well...

[@psz5515]

The healing pistol is extremely situational so I dont know about that but the shotgun thing should be WAY lower. Its such a garbage weapon for the squids. It only has three bullets, long reload and such a low damage you sometimes have to two shot a single Voteless. Agains Overseers its pretty much useless...

[@Healthdiver_Association]

Stim Pistol my Beloved

[@bZb90]

A little constructive criticism ive noted from your videos: you transition almost every segment with "but now we have the" which is a little tiring to hear after awhile. Mixing it up improves the listenability of this a lot!

[@adwans1491]

Bro. Can they just give the sawed off Medium armor pen!?

[@cody1570]

If you say blitzer aint S tier or laser pistol just for dropping shields then this isnt a good list. I solo run super helldive with blitzer laser pistol impact grenades for almost everything. Heavy weapon can be anything until they bring out the stinger. Stinger is god tier over S tier so

[@zombieak47]

P19 only problem magazine 4 round That mean it can't take too long shoot

[@yaboy804]

Senator gang wya

[@thehashslaingingslasher]

Big iron supremacy

[@El_Malanga02]

It would be cool to see more dynamic melee weapons ngl. The spear and the baton are fun but imagine if you could throw the spear and you got like 3 of them. The baton can keep the fast swinging and stuns. Imagine a sword primary or a stratagem that allows you to block and parry attacks and the more you block you charge some super powerful slash that can clear waves of enemies or penetrate heavy armor, along with a primary attack that just slashes and cuts like it’s DMC. That would be fun and a completely different way to play.

[@kennethbowers2897]

The default pistol is goat no discussion kiss my ass otherwise Bv)

[@someguyusa]

It's not a bad video overall, but I noticed you missed a lot of shots with the Peacemaker against everything except the harvester. I think you failed to use it correctly by treating it like an automatic weapon. Same thing with the Verdict. Your aim was pretty bad, so the other guns like the Redeemer and crisper covered your poor aim with more bulletspray overall. The Senator seemed better, but that's because you paced your shots much better. No disrespect, but your aim was the poop tier more than the guns themselves.

[@koyskinner8291]

0:48 😂😂

[@evildaddyz]

Dagger is a long range flamethrower haha let it BURN ~~!! its AP4 ~!

[@levismith3125]

lol he put revolver in poop on thumbnail which honestly was what got my to click it then he ranked it lvl s in video

[@Terry0590]

Use stratagem againat ship not your weapon lol

[@brianerli487]

Trolldier hehe

[@Imagine_Trying]

7k views in 1 hour? Bro fell off

[@cole_p_warren]

I kept using the Senator since launch when it was shite, and now I've finally been rewarded for my loyalty. I think this is how religion works.

[@legitnub]

this but with the dilligence counter sniper

[@CR4CKSM0K3R]

This but with jesus taking over all world governments