I disagree with your agreement of his disagreement
@justcrafty2676Ай бұрын
"I'm going to go with incineroar, that might be controversial" Yeah no how is incin dtilt comparable to rob dtilt to begin with 😭
@coinwalker3355Ай бұрын
Min min did NOT exist in this video
@RILEYSWORLD1Ай бұрын
Down Tilt is the biggest hot take of the video, ROB HAS ALWAYS HAD AN AMAZING DOWN TILT SINCE BRAWL AND THERES A LOT OF UP SIDES!!! IT COMES OUT AT FRAME THREE, IT'S AMAZING FOR TECH CHASES & IT CAN COMBO INTO DOWN SMASH!!!
@whoopheeАй бұрын
I just really valued how easily incin dtilt combos into kill moves, especially when 2 framing
@kyle80791Ай бұрын
lucas f tilt is surprisingly really good, just that no one plays him
@chinelo_jpgАй бұрын
not picking mac's fsmash is actually crazy 😭 wtf
@whoopheeАй бұрын
Villagers bowling ball was speaking to me
@chinelo_jpgАй бұрын
@@whoophee ngl it was a great choice, but mac's fsmash is the goat it even starts combos at low % if you get hit during armor (yeah, thats an actual tech using up angled fsmash) tech chases with a 30% starter (down angled), 2-frames, breaks shields and has a lot of pushback, fast framedata and insane kill power (that shit kills heavies around 90% sometimes)
@InksplodedАй бұрын
Pyra f smash is littertly stupid
@dalyan8357Ай бұрын
Not picking min min fsmash is diabolical 😭
@chinelo_jpgАй бұрын
@@dalyan8357 i mean, with only one variant by your side and not a second fsmash due to min-min's B buttons being a character exclusive mechanic, it turns out that its a lot less safe and doesnt have that much potential without the right kit (dont get me wrong, its still busted asf due to the range and kill power still being dumb asf, but its just a LOT more unsafe even at distance without the second fsmash to poke/break the opponent's shield and protect yourself) mac does basically everything min-min's fsmash wants to, without the range and edgeguarding factor. It 2-frames and its just that much safer, faster and even stronger mac's fsmash also leads into potential due to the low angled variation, since its an instant tech chase starter with 30% damage that you can follow up and cover any of the tech options, it's a great anti-air with the up angled version (this shit hits behind mac and KILLS) and regular fsmash is rlly straightforward by itself and has no need for explanation not to mention that all the versions have differences in startup, with fsmash angled down being f15, regular ones being f14 and up angled being f13 (its just that quick)
@Evanglion_GamingАй бұрын
I am kind of surprised that Kazuya didn't get one of the best moves. Especially his down throw setting up in a (almost) universal 0td route But anyways good video man, keep up the amazing work :3
@whoopheeАй бұрын
That's mostly because of kazuyas kit surrounding the throw tho, but in hindsight I probably should've included a combo throw that isn't snake Dthrow past 160%
@MentaAzul26 күн бұрын
Min Min in the whole video: Guess i don't exist
@whoophee26 күн бұрын
Min mins moves are pretty dependent on having 2 of them and also being able to swap between ramram/dragon/megawatt, which I consider character mechanics
@-So_Cool-Ай бұрын
Spindash not even considered for Side B is something i really disagree about in this video, but the vid is still pretty good.
@eaa1338Ай бұрын
7:42 it honestly depends on the recovery move. Some multi-hit recoveries can outright disable the hitbox of d-smash (both ness d-smash and up-smash have low priorities kind of like bayo’s smashes), others can still hit you from below or the side and then you have some that can completely bypass it. And it doesn’t always combo into the main hit, when you try to 2-frame While lucas’ doesn’t have a constant hitbox covering the ledge, it still has 3 huge hitboxes that can cover different timings, without worrying about someone hitting him from above or the side. It’s -12 with a lot of pushback btw. And then there is ryu’s d-smash that is fast, has decent range, can special-cancel and can 2-frame characters.
@RadagastSSBUАй бұрын
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CHOSE X MOVE INSTEAD OF Y FOR THAT ONE OPTION. HORRIBLE KZbinR! Nah, good vid dude almost making me think you know some stuff about the game 💙
@justinurbanich2828Ай бұрын
Min min fsmash/ftilt are free tech chases and 2 frame attempts from center even if you only get 1 dragon arm, and you can jump while doing them.
@aidenvega6306Ай бұрын
My list goes a little like Jab: isabelle, chroy is fantastic tho Ftilt: min min. I believe autocancels to be a shoto exclusive trait but i understand why terry made the list, this is my personal interpritation to it tho. F tilt is safe and kills and can be jumped after while using it. Dtilt: rob and incin are fantastic i agree. But since we're accounting for versatility in a characters kit, its rob here. Up tilt: is either wario or snake. Wario hits up tilt and it can combo into your imagination. Snakes is frame 6 and kills at orange percents. Id say this one goes to snake. Steves up tilt is great and all but its a steve thing meanwhile EVERYONE but maybe two characters would want a snake up tilt Dash attack: i would say snake is the absolute best. It defies his naturally slow movement, is invincible, low profiles, combo finisher, cross up option, kill move, burst option. And i absolutely love it. Fsmash: there's a lot of excellent ones for sure. Think mario, pac man, ganon. But there's one smash attack that can do it all. And it's Macs. Little mac has 3 variations that set up tech chases, kills early or breaks shields. Not to mention the armor. And speed. And safety. And power. Its mac. Sonics is close tho Up smash: honestly, i don't know... Snake, min min and mr game and watch are tied for first. Min mins is an OOS that reaches to the moon and has the ability to high profile most grounded moves while having a reflector because why not. Snakes is a win button at ledge that reduces your chances immensely while he is free to punish whatever you choose. And mr game and watch's is a counter in every way. Hits like a truck, completely invincible and a combo starter. I think mr game and watch's is the best. It's also safe on shield. Honorable mention to falcon and ganon Down smash: it's game and watch. None come close. Game and watch is safe, kills at 60, two frames EVERYTHING. Nair: GnW. Massive combo starting disjoint that's safe on shield and combos into itself. It combos for longer than palus and has enough range to contest with shulks massive nair. Link, shulk and palu come close. And robs. Fair: mewtwo. Combos, kills, safe, fast, everything. Game and watches is good too but NOT better than M2 Bair: yoshi. Starts combos, is big, it kills. Honestly i can't think of much it CANT do. Cloud is so incredibly close but Idk... Up air: corrins, palus and Mario's come to mind but, they are beaten again by none other than the Game and watch himself. Its spammable, juggles forever, combos into itself. It denies characters with bad air speed of ever landing. Dair: rob or Steve. Snakes is an OOS, yes but can be SDI'd easily. Steves is an OOS sometimes too and kills and does 400% and yeah. But robs is better ivy dair because it lasts forever. And ever. And stalls him a bit. B: its a tie between multiple things. Monado, nade, block, charge shot, gun ETC ETC ETC. its monado. It does everything else the others do. Side b: snake, Steve and Diddy come to mind. What about pin or pk fire? Those seem good too- WRONG. Sonic wins. Sonic SUPER wins Up b: GnW. I can take even longer to talk but I won't. Down b: snake, GnW, wario and zss right? No. Menu. Maybe revenge, gyro or banana too Grab is pac man. Maybe Luigi Fthrow : dk. Yup Back throw: ness or incin. Idk, you chose Down throw: snake Up throw: mewtwo or GnW. Charizards will NOT take stocks if your opponent holds out until 140% ish id say
@DominicFinlaysonАй бұрын
Nice vid but I’m kinda shocked neither Zelda’s phantom nor Hero’s menu was even considered for down special
@whoopheeАй бұрын
Hero down B is reliant on mana which is a character mechanic which I didn't include to make things less complicated, I probably should've considered phantom tho
@MrGameguyC16 күн бұрын
Well you definitely haven't seen the Mockrock videos on this. lol
@picklesplease1434Ай бұрын
Great video love the editing and I thought the choices were all solid and explained well!
@BustnqАй бұрын
Min min undoubtably has the best f smash lol
@whoopheeАй бұрын
Even if you only get 1?
@TraylittGamingАй бұрын
Little Mac
@TaleOfTheToasterАй бұрын
I know Mythra comes up a lot in the down tilt discussion, and Sora for dash attack, but mostly the contenders are all there... loving the surprise Zard love
@jesusportillo201Ай бұрын
My list would be: Jab: Roy Ftilt: Sephiroth Uptilt: Snake or Steve Down tilt: Incineroar Dash attack: Greninja Fsmash: Little Mac Up smash: Charizard probably or even Ganon or Falcon Down smash: Wolf or Lucas Nair: Byleth Fair: Shulk Back air: Cloud Up air: Corrin Down air: Pyra Neutral b: Steve but for not repeating Shulk Side b: Sonic Up b: GaW Down b: ROB Input attack: Kazuya (EWGF) Grab: Luigi F throw: DK B throw: Ness Up throw: Incineroar Down throw: Snake
@zsteelix9416Ай бұрын
whats with dash attack / get up attack?
@jesusportillo201Ай бұрын
@@zsteelix9416 ok edited now. Dash attack is Greninja's and get up attack is who cares about get up attack?
@kyle80791Ай бұрын
down throw should be luigi imo
@p0pjonnydude202Ай бұрын
Diddy down b is just a better version of robs
@peacockkaeАй бұрын
random but I'm certain zard up throw is MUCH more di-able than mewtwos, no?
@whoopheeАй бұрын
Yeah I just didn't have training mode installed my b
@YauDerAllerEchteАй бұрын
The G&W Fair Take is sadly outrageous
@adoyoАй бұрын
If EWGF was there, would it replace jab or would it just serve as an input move? Imagine ranking the hypest moves as well and someone modded them all into a character That character you made is a menace at ledge though
@whoopheeАй бұрын
I'd make a separate category for input moves and EWGF would easily take that spot
@Arctyx_XoАй бұрын
Almost everything is wrong xD
@diablicosWFTАй бұрын
i feel like a lot of people dont know how to deal w gnw's fair, u can break the bomb by hitting it, it wont explode if you do. also the move takes a long time to come out so its one of those moves you can abuse and hit him when he is going for them. I dont think its the best fair.
@dylanphelan3010Ай бұрын
Game & Watch Fair over Pac-Man, Mythra, Shulk, Falco is crazy. Forward Air isn't even G&W's best arial. Come on
@chrisyeincarag4860Ай бұрын
Gnw upsmash not even a contender is crazy
@justcrafty2676Ай бұрын
how was steve's jab/ftilt not considered that move is broken
@InksplodedАй бұрын
Bro didnt even mention gun for neutral b
@Muddles_Nugget19 күн бұрын
I agree.
@diablicosWFTАй бұрын
this makes me wonder who would have the best jab without roy or chrome. Maybe zss or mac cuz its frame 1? or maybe one that kills like bayo or jr? i dont play any of those so idk
@whoopheeАй бұрын
Isabelle is probably the runner up tbh, also combos and very fast. Kinda reliant on having another really fast move but pretty underrated
@diablicosWFTАй бұрын
@ yeah i thought isabelle too, but then i played against a terry and im thinking terry, ryu or ken cuz they are so good for confirms
@plantedcabbageАй бұрын
shocked there was no gnw or falcon up smash as an option
@whoopheeАй бұрын
they're both just too slow imo
@cyberoli7460Ай бұрын
If you're considering throws, Olimar upthrow is the strongest in the game aside from hero psych up upthrow iirc
@whoopheeАй бұрын
Would need blue Pikmin which is a character mechanic
@EkkoGaming20KАй бұрын
I disagree with G&W Forward Air. Mewtwo, Wolf, or Falcon have better F-airs, enough even to surpass the utility gained from G&W’s F-air
@whoopheeАй бұрын
Low key should have locked in M2 fair in hindsight, already really good on M2 and would be insane on a fastfaller
@EkkoGaming20KАй бұрын
@ Wow very true, fun video to watch no less.
@mohammadalhusaini810Ай бұрын
I believe up smash should easily be falcon back air should easily be DK and down b is hero (if it counts) and i respect that dash attack goes to dk that move is broken
@eddie992Ай бұрын
Really interesting takes
@shazzyrvАй бұрын
usmash, dsmash, upb, nair, bair, uair goes to gnw, utilt, jab, ftilt AND NEUTRAL B goes to steve (his neutral b controls the entire game, whether that be the pace, stages appearance, or the characters strength which becomes illegally strong fairly quickly LOL) sorry im a hater of these two xD
@varunkrishnaswamy4252Ай бұрын
Forgot BJ Downtilt
@whoopheeАй бұрын
I forgot WHAT down tilt???
@varunkrishnaswamy4252Ай бұрын
@ the one where he licks you hanging on the edge and gets you off the stage
@Aki132-1Ай бұрын
Side b is for incenearoar
@DasFloricoАй бұрын
Would actually say Isa jab is better. Combos 20 times into itself, combos into dsmash and ftilt. At ledge a kill at ~65, jab is frame 3 and even onstage just one jab into dsmash is big dmg and positioning. Otherwise nice vid bud! First time watching you, but i love your personality!
@whoopheeАй бұрын
Isa jab was in the back of my mind but I think the range on chrom jab is pretty major. And thank you! 😊
@DasFloricoАй бұрын
@whoophee yea okay i see the range point, still its a semi infinite, frame 3, can confirm into dsmash or ftilt at 40 till ~190 and the hitstun goes up with percentage, so it can combo into anything at certain %
@AnbilM2Ай бұрын
Mewtwo up throw sends at a 90° angle which means you can only DI left or right, while you can use LSI vs Zard up throw. So Mewtwo up throw kills earlier than Zard up throw with correct DI. So you're WRONG as usual 🤦
@whoopheeАй бұрын
My ass did not have training mode installed
@chris-hx9fjАй бұрын
Diddy dash attack😫💦💦
@zavillion893Ай бұрын
I think up smash definetly goes to gnw
@RetryfxАй бұрын
link nair over game and watch nair??? look at the hitbox my guy. u were right ab back air, side b, and up B for sure. W vid tho
@TraylittGamingАй бұрын
Link nair is more broke imo
@_QueenMary_Ай бұрын
OMG ANOTHER VIDEO I LOVE, VERY SLAY, VERY CUTESY, VERY DEMURE
@cheepplaysАй бұрын
i havent watched the full video yet, but if plant doesent get the best neutral b, you are objectively wrong 😤
@cheepplaysАй бұрын
im back… shulk doesent come close to ptooie 😤😤😤😤
@InksplodedАй бұрын
@@cheepplaysgun
@w1ttzle672Ай бұрын
But also palu Upsmash??
@InksplodedАй бұрын
Bro is not even listening to chat its charizard cause I said so ahhh video his upsmash isnt even top 3
@WorldEngine64Ай бұрын
Little Mac Jab Terry Ftilt R.O.B Dtilt Snake Uptilt Ike Nair Gannon Dair Falcon Knee Zelda Bair Sephiroth Upair DK dash attack Gannon Fsmash Gannon Upsmash K.Rool Dsmash DK Giant Punch Incineroar Alolan Whip G&W Areal Up B Bowser Grounded UP B Jigglypuff Rest Luigi Grab Luigi Dthrow Ness Bthrow DK cargo throws
@13.carlosm.58Ай бұрын
Gunners fair?
@justcrafty2676Ай бұрын
I give up...
@DaeBayonettaАй бұрын
nikida over abk im sobbing
@whoopheeАй бұрын
Abk is pretty much the runner up but Nikita is literally free stocks sometimes 😭