Ranking the hardest characters in SF6

[@brizzleyoh]

Putting chun li as easier than cammy is a crime.

[@Tyler-ob4qp]

Easiest: The guy who beat me's character Hardest: My main

[@IzuMido-t1m]

Cammy takes no execution at all😭😭

[@unclephillymya]

hau'oli city theme going crazy 🔥

[@DRAPEDinDARKNESS]

I’m an Aki main and it gets rough. I’ve also played Manon, and I definitely had more fun with her.

[@raghugba863]

But why are you playing a character you're not having fun with then? Having fun is the most important thing

[@DRAPEDinDARKNESS]

@@raghugba863 Because I’m an Aki main.

[@raghugba863]

@@DRAPEDinDARKNESS I guess you're right, my bad

[@ViperKreuz]

Honda on low level might be easy but on high level those cheap tricks don't work.

[@johanbrand9623]

Was about to post this. Braindead on low levels on high levels you have to know quite a few setups and tech to stay in the game.

[@MrThaes]

Tried messing around with Dhalsim a while ago. What places him at "hard" instead of "slightly hard" for me is how even his movement is so different from any other character. Couldn't get used to that floating.

[@dddaaa6965]

Me too, I can’t wrap my mind around the floaty jump, it never clicked in my mind even though I see it being a non issue or even beneficial for people who know what they are doing with him lol.

[@armorgiraffe]

Same, his movement, buttons and jump makes him so weird to play since his "feel" depart from all the other characters

[@rohaankhawaja5727]

he deadass feels like playing at half speed

[@NHParadox]

cammy slightly hard? bruh

[@vahallen9876]

TBF the one hard part about Cammy is proper dive kicking and having to play without a fireball

[@bagofbananas790]

​@@vahallen9876plus on block spin knuckle

[@vegetatheveggie2547]

what does this mean or prove bot? @@bagofbananas790

[@TooOldForSpacey]

@@vahallen9876you deadass get a move that goes through fireball, AND a dive kick…what are you on about? She seriously doesn’t fucking need a fireball

[@rheawelsh4142]

​@@bagofbananas790Mfw anti airs exist

[@tristanaustin2097]

I main Dhalsim ( Peaked at 1650 MR ) and it feels like comparing apples to Oranges. Not having a traditional jump I think more than anything makes Dhalsim play a game that is completely different. I watch top level play all the time, I see somebody jump out in some tight situation and I go "Oh, that's what I'm supposed to do there!" and then I go "Wait...I don't move like that"

[@vahallen9876]

I’m sure there is no way I know better than a 1650 MR Dhalsim, but I thought that in those situations were others would jump Dhalsim just went with instant air teleport Is that not a thing?

[@tristanaustin2097]

Oh yeah its a thing, but there are a couple of key differences. IAT is not as strong against nuetral jumps, it is much less rewarding ( can't get a heavy button, only a light combo ) and you don't get an ambiguous cross up. Plus, if your opponent jab checks you are put into a forced knockdown state which means you can get combo'd out of the air. Also, this one is kind of hard to describe but Dhalsims jump being so floaty makes nuetral jumping in the corner as a defencive option a lot weaker. If the opponent is just patient or has a wide DP you won't get a lot of millage out of changing teleport timing or working in float. They are gonna more or less just wait for you to descend and it doesn't matter on which side. @@vahallen9876

[@sound285]

i like the content Im subbed my dude, but this list kinda whack.

[@adamtideman4953]

Ain't no way Cammy is harder to play than Deejay

[@z1u512]

BRO PUT CHUN EASIER THAN CAMMY LMAO

[@YouAlreadyKnowBabi]

Yeah, this guy be full of shit a lot.

[@maxwellscott-bz8bf]

Deejay has a bunch more tools you have to use, but they provide so much utility

[@GhostxMenace]

No way u saying this 😂😂😂

[@MGTarkus]

Deejay one of the easiest characters to play. Just charge and mash sway

[@VolTheProducer]

That capybara fighter intro might be the best thing on KZbin - I'm all for it.

[@EGreeneConversations]

this doods list is halfway garbage. Cammy harder to play than Gief? I know you trippin

[@matrxzeno4761]

Tierlists like these are why I have started to dislike them in general because for me, the true test of whether or not a char is difficult to play should only be measured when they are FULLY optimized. Sure everyone can pick up a char and do the basic stuff fairly simply, but optimization is a whole other thing.

[@verbatim7508]

this can be solved by addressing whether you're talking about a character's skill floor or skill ceiling it seemed like broski was talking about skill floor? but then he started talking about 1700 MR and shit, so idk

[@matrxzeno4761]

@@verbatim7508 Yeah I agree. Being specific with difficulty tierlists makes them less confusing and also more useful for the players.

[@mikey22355]

He’s not making videos just using his pretty boring stream content and and cropping it for a KZbin video. Not like he’s put thought or effort into this pointless list

[@grillersinstinct]

“do you like going through bowsers castle? thats manon” @8:11 LMAOOO edit: ty tofumaker for my laugh

[@cj_ocean]

what?

[@gerardorivas2811]

​@@cj_oceanit's a comment on the chat, or you don't understand the joke they're making?

[@cj_ocean]

@@gerardorivas2811 i didnt see that this was said in the chat, but tbh i also dont understand the joke

[@gerardorivas2811]

@@cj_ocean It's just making fun of how you'd need to traverse through fireballs and stuff with Manon since she has to get close to be at her preferred distance. So dodging fireballs with her twirl, long range pokes with the OD version of it, and jumping stuff to get in and score either a grab or a hit, would make it seem like a Mario game where you traverse through stuff to get to the end.

[@cj_ocean]

@@gerardorivas2811 ah lol ^^ thx

[@TheWutang1995]

Ive always thought sim was a cool character visually and finally decided to take the time to learn him and main him this game and while its rough sometime ive definitely gotten some free wins that i shouldn't have at the lower ranks because so many people have no clue what to do against him since they rarely see him. Also have gotten way more one and doners than with any other character

[@akiratosube2836]

As someone who has played Cammy for a while now (52769 Kudos), i don't think she's hard AT ALL. She has very good pressure just by pressing a few buttons, her combos (not the flashy ones, just the common) can be easily executed... Idk what people sees hard about Cammy. For me, is one of the easiest character, not as Lily, of course, but putting her above Dee Jay and Chun-Li is wild for me.

[@z1u512]

Cant believe we found an honest cammy player in the wild

[@Potato_Souls]

I think he's talking about the flashy high level stuff plus the spacing things that a lot of characters don't have to worry about. Like dive kick

[@RockBottom7626]

The level of play is quite different. What is your master ranking as a frame of reference?

[@muckdriver]

I think his placement for cammy vs deejay is off. If he's gonna put cammy at hard to play then so is deejay.

[@Nerevaar]

I don't think the Kudos are a meaningful metric, he's talking about gameplan in 1700+ MR which is not really that comparable to the ranges below

[@PrincipalSkinner3190]

Contradictory logic. You started off by saying a character being bad doesn't mean they're hard, but then immediately put DeeJay as easy because he's good.

[@Syrup4prez]

Wrong. he put deejay in easy for the same reason he put lily. Because their game plans are brain dead.. he literally said “ charge moves add some difficulty to Deejay but aside from that there is too much reward for just pressing buttons”. Essentially meaning very little thought goes into being successful with them similar to juri lol. Broski consistently said if you have a linear game plan you are easy character. Also Essentially that every one who can cancel cr/mk to dr is easy/slightly easy

[@jotaromario2300]

@@Syrup4prezThen why is Ryu in the same tier as Ken and Luke? He is arguably harder to play with since he has worst tools then both of them. Since Ryu is such a simple character you’ve got to be creative with your game plan.

[@Syrup4prez]

@@jotaromario2300 I see your point. But historically shotos have been considered easy characters. Luke ,Ken , and ryu are excellent characters for someone beginning to learn fighting games. Simply because their game plans are extremely simple. This idea is present in most games that have shotos. I agree that Ken and Luke are stronger than ryu, but that statement is assessing the strength of character tools rather then the difficulty of executing their vanilla gameplan

[@KejutoJetomo]

But Ryu isn’t easy and Juri is Brain dead in RIGHT hands. This guy is on crack with his tier list imho.

[@Syrup4prez]

@@KejutoJetomoryu and Juri are both easy . Relative to characters that are actually difficult like Jamie. I agree that ryu is harder to play then Ken and luke, but the shoto play style is easy as hell at the end of the day. Having a fireball, Inv dp, and solid corner carry renders ryu capable in every situation. Which is why allot of people consider shotos boring.

[@emsax]

Deejay and Chun optimal is definitely way harder than half these at high level how crazy bias

[@xravia79]

I would switch Chun and Cammy but I more or less agree. I don't know if you played Chun before but a down down input for an anti air sucks lol

[@georgegkoumas5026]

Please give chun a normal DP input for the anti air for the love of god, this has been the only thing that I don't like about the character.

[@user-wy1et9dk9w]

Cammy has to do a lot of work to get in and open your opponent up, when she does it’s a matter of mind games. If you screw up its back to trying to get in from full screen. Her mix game is also kind of overrated imo. Chun doesn’t really have these problems. Cammy’s strengths are things imo only slightly advanced to pro level players can take advantage of. The hardest thing about chun imo is her execution, but the game plan is simple and she’s quite adaptable.

[@FreezVy]

feng shui engine aint that easy to master tho, and thats her real potential.

[@HellecticMojo]

I think Gief opinion is all over the place because he's so poorly balanced in every way.

[@angquangnguyenthac2833]

Nah he's actually balanced. It just that he is actually hard to play

[@HellecticMojo]

@@angquangnguyenthac2833 no, he's very imbalanced internally. He's overtly dependent on SPD to carry him, his anti airs are all terrible. His run grab is nearly useless. The lariat is a terrible tatsu that goes nowhere for corner carry or pressure while also being a terrible anti air with no invincibility or the vertical reach. Level 1 that once again doesn't work as anti air or even a reversal. Level 2 that's very slow, can't hit air, and requires further meter to do any worthwhile damage.

[@angquangnguyenthac2833]

@@HellecticMojo AKA you don't know how to play him and just rely on SPD to get by

[@HellecticMojo]

@@angquangnguyenthac2833 try winning with Gief without SPD or level 3.

[@angquangnguyenthac2833]

@@HellecticMojo I mean you can win like that if you know how to use his plus frame so point not taken.

[@jwill7998]

Dhalsim is fun. He has so many tools.

[@verbatim7508]

Chun-Li's down-down input for her DP seems easy until you consider the fact that she has to be standing still for at least one frame before and after each down input, and it can only be _straight_ down-it can't be 12, it must be 22, and because of all these rigid restrictions, it's more like 52525. I still find it incredibly awkward to do, and I've been playing Chun since launch. I would genuinely rather just have a 623 input for the move. That way, I'm at least able to walk forward while buffering DPs, crosscut with it, and I get access to the 323 shortcut. It also won't look like I'm teabagging you when I'm just getting ready to anti-air your jump-in.

[@Rupix15]

THIS. i am really hoping as well that the dev will change the input to just 623. or maybe add it as an alternative like how they added mash input as alternative for her Hyakuretsukyaku in SF5. i'm fine with 22 input as a gimmick/install specials like on the other casts but as an urgency tool like AA i don't find it comfortable at all x.x

[@dh3014]

Like 66/44 is actually 5656/5454, 22 is really 5252, you don't need the last neutral input after 2nd down input

[@verbatim7508]

@@dh3014 You're right. Doesn't make it less awkward though. Actually, in the case of 66 inputs, Capcom knew this type of input was causing problems for some people, which is why they introduced the ability to perform Drive Rush cancels by hitting MP+MK instead of a dash.

[@DanceKevinDance5]

I would love for upkicks to be a dp motion. Pls Capcom

[@Reshi9984]

Glad I found another Chun Li down down AA hater, Capcom plz just make it a DP motion

[@jt4tado]

bro right off the bat, cammy slightly hard to play and dee jay is easy? 😂

[@strych88]

Lol putting Deejay at easy just to put Cammy at hard 10 sec later is some biased shit. Cmon you say that Deejay is easy cuz he can win random scrambles and then say that Cammy is hard to play at a high level... So are we talking low rank random scrambles or high level gameplay here?

[@2Namii]

Yeah i agree. No way is he in the same tier as Lily

[@tr5p872]

I don’t see how Marisa can be harder than juri.

[@waveysamurai7673]

Right, Juri is easy, but Marisa is fisher price levels of easy

[@z1u512]

​@@waveysamurai7673any rank below plat you can just modern marisa hold down the autocombo button while mashing buttons and have a 40% WR

[@HellecticMojo]

@@waveysamurai7673 Marisa is more of a challenge on defense. Juri has lol spinarooney DP.

[@psp785]

Marisa is easier then juri

[@juice6521]

​@HellecticMojo Marisa's defense is built into her offence.

[@alejandroa6372]

This tier list makes none sense. Saying Cammy and Rashid are harder than JP and Ken is wild downplaying xD

[@pandabs6845]

Ken is easy though

[@skychaos87]

Marisa is definitely easy af to play, its like Luke making opponent guess between charge knuckles/gladius except its every better for Marisa since charged Gladius beats DI. Marisa also gets auto spacing trap after every Gladius blocked. Kills opponent in two touches.

[@MisterTwit]

She's only easy as long as she's doing damage. If she guesses wrong and opponent gets oki she's not easy at all. Everyone at the top of "easy" (even Lily) has an invincible wakeup DP/FK to interrupt pressure and create space. Marisa has nothing reliable to do on wakeup without a lvl2 super.

[@CrystalMang0]

Bro marissa not killing in 2 touches every time. Need high resources.

[@skychaos87]

@@CrystalMang0 nobody said "every time". But it does happen quite often, you usually have lvl3 in the 2nd or third round. Even if it's not two touches, three is also easy and happens way more than other characters.

[@nomainq8257]

Totally agree, cause today I already was playing against this type of marisa players who just spam two abilities and after them DI 😂

[@Aeirion]

As a Lily player, I can confirm that this placement is completely true.

[@markchavez738]

As a Dhalsim and Zangief Main. Zangief is wayyy harder of a character.

[@ocoro174]

your elitist bullshit is extremely tiresome. saying as if any (or all 2:20 lmao) of these characters were easy. this game is one of the hardest games in existence. stop pretending like your 30 years of experience playing fighting games is even nearly approachable by even hardcore players

[@nightwave6963]

Agreed, insecure Bro has to say that even though people are coming here exclusively for "Hardest characters in SF6", hence the title, every tier list is contextual within itself anyway, he said that literally for nothing but egoing

[@brawlkillers13]

All id change with this list is id move Guile into slighty easy(thats generous af too) and Chun into slighty hard because her combo routes seem mad unusual. Aki and Jamie main here

[@vahallen9876]

If you think Chun should be slightly hard only because of combos it’s wild that you think Guile should be slightly easy considering Chun doesn’t even have one combo comparable to any sort of perfect boom link Like not even the same galaxy

[@maxwellscott-bz8bf]

@@vahallen9876perfect boom loop isn’t barrier to entry. You can zone and be good

[@brawlkillers13]

@vahallen9876 Are you suggesting that because guile has perfect booms which he totally doesnt have to do hes hard to play?

[@MrBranh0913]

@@maxwellscott-bz8bf you definitely need to master perfect timing for a lot of his optimal routes. Guile is one of the harder characters to fully optimize. At a high level you definitely need to be able to do his boom loops on command. And both sides have different timing. Boom loops makes Guile's corner game very scary. Because taking the throw, or getting shimmied into a loop is the decision. Remember Guile's throw loops actually require meter. I don't think he's hard, but he's beyond easy. I think medium is right. You'll see high level Guile starting to use his b. HP to perfect sonic boom combo starter. And it's actually pretty strict timing. It's an essential route at high level, because that means he gets really big and meter efficient conversions from hitting a b. HP. So these are important combos to learn at high levels, because top players aren't just going to jump at Guile 50 times in a match

[@spooky4223]

Bruh put Kimberly in hard, her tools dont transfer into anyone how in the world can you separate ease of play from character strength, they literally define the character.

[@TheFatManatee]

I think what pushes gief from medium to slightly hard is: 1. Inconsistent anti air means you have to constantly beware if the opponents exact spacing a timing of their jump or else you get stuffed out or crossed up 2. 3mp into SA1/SA2 is a pretty difficult input while also being mandatory to learn for every combo that uses super

[@sm_ked]

I agree heavily, im biased but i also think gief is slightly hard arguably hard. 3mp into super is super awkward fr

[@HellecticMojo]

Gief is hard for all the wrong reasons. Almost nothing works right or is way harder than it has any reason being.

[@sm_ked]

@@HellecticMojo Fr, they wont have to buff him too much but maybe less whiff recovery frames, or making Ex lariat a true reversal and hit on both sides

[@froid7]

switch marisa to easy, switch places between chun and cammy and put guile on hard, and this is pretty much my list, chun is more of a personal bias because I just can't play the character I don't know exactly y, and guile has huge difficulty spike when u r actually trying to pull off some insane stuff and combos with him and u aren't just living off of zoning and target combos, at least from my master rank experience

[@BHS289]

I feel like Chun starts out hard because the stance stuff is weird, if you didn’t play her in SFV learning her SBK confirms off mediums is awkward for a bit, I would even say learning a 22 input DP is also weird after not using them before, but once all of that becomes combo muscle memory you can lean more on her neutral with 6/4MP, 2MK, etc. Medium feels appropriate.

[@ChaosKnuxxx]

I disagree. People just have her neutral carry her, but I'm TELLING you with the fact that she has a floaty jump, air legs, and a harder to setup safejump makes her harder. Not to mention when the meta improves, she's gonna have to use more stance cancel in neutral for mixup. There's a reason you don't see a lot of them, it's because trying to make use of her tools takes away from the mental stack. It's just odd that he put Cammy below Chun since I play both and Cammy really just has to worry about spacing

[@DrSwazz]

Chun should be in slightly hard at least, hard at best. When he put Chun in medium I zoned out from the video. She’s execution heavy and easily goes into burnout. Not to mention her anti-air being more awkward to execute than a DP motion and inconsistent on top of that. He put her in medium because you “don’t have to use stance.” Not using stance on Chun is like not using FSE on Juri. You can still play the character but you will reach a competitive cap without the extra tool.

[@jcramirez77]

@@DrSwazzBig facts and agree on people not using fse on juri

[@GIZREED]

You can say that about any character after getting used to them. him rating Cammy harder than Chun is just LOL tier and just invalidates the whole list

[@BlueLightningSky]

I have never seen a Guile miss perfect boom in so long. Saying that's hard is like saying perfect knuckles are hard.

[@juice6521]

I think the drink level level thing is pretty overblown in terms of complexity. You only need to remember level 1 is divekick, level 2 is breakdance and level 3 is command grab. Yeah, ok maybe level 4 is basically a new character, but if you hit level 4 you're probably about to win in the next 10 seconds (or about to lose all your drink levels)

[@allero]

As a former lily player i disagree with your statement. Hibiki the best never resorts to that basic strategy. I do however completely agree with Cammy she isnt as easy as people think

[@DayFul]

Hibiki is carrying Lily due his defense being ridiculous. She needs her windstocks to continue her momentum too, If she yolo's in and has no stocks to play with she's much weaker.

[@allero]

@@DayFul he is incredibly skilled but if you watch how he plays without wind stock he is still stupid. People need to rush him to prevent him getting a stock and he knows his options the best in that scenario

[@psp785]

chunli is med ur bugging ?? chun li is hard if you hope on playing high ranked matches she also does'nt have a throw loop to rely on like cammy and juri

[@ΚρανίΩ]

Okay i played every single character and tried to get them as high as possible, aki is hard to win with, rashid is a 50/50, but those 2 characters are farely hard to play at first, but then its okay. Dhalsim is absolutely the hardest character in this list but something i don't personnally agree with is dee jay, this character has the same problem as rashid where if you actually want to play him, you need to work for your wins at first and then the gameplan is so varied that its hard to use exactly what you need to when you need, i'd actually put him one tier under aki and rashid

[@AaronW0885]

Lol no. There were plenty of Dee Jays in top eights. He ain't hard to play

[@ΚρανίΩ]

@@AaronW0885brother, i meant evo, and the tournaments before that, try playing dee jay and tell me if its easy, he's at least in the same place as chun, and yes i do play both because i play everyone in the cast

[@junior1388666]

Played deejay for a week. Got to master in about 6 hours of play and my win rate was above 80%. By the end of the week I had 1800+ MR and I didn't even learned how to use lvl 2 lmao

[@xZaGoNx]

@@ΚρανίΩI also play everyone in the cast and deejay is very easy.

[@KiTTtheKiDD]

Lol deejay working to just DR

[@lukejones7164]

SF6 Chun-Li is definitely not easy at all, especially when compared to SF5 Chun-Li

[@zerodono]

I was looking forward to seeing where you'd put Honda and I was not disappointed 😂😂. Only critique is that Sim isn't in the 'Not playing Street Fighter' tier lol

[@Jonkin715]

I agree. It feel you have to learn a whole new game to play him effectively

[@bdizzle145]

Tell me that Chun Li is hard please haha I'm stuck rn in plat 1 trying to main her. I think I'm getting there and then I'll forget how to play defense against JP, Guile, DJ :(

[@z1u512]

DW bro broski must be trolling cause aint no way chun is easier than cammy

[@El-Burrito]

I'm pretty sure other content creators would place her in slightly harder

[@alex111683]

I think theres two categories here. Easy for new people to play and easy for experienced players to play. An example, DJ, for a new player to fighting games, DJ is very hard due to him being a charge character and needing ro understand charging and buffering.

[@mati96cabj]

cammy is easy. chun li is hard

[@numerodez6558]

0 effort in making this list huh? No consistency in it's arguments at all and consults chat on where should a character should be in wtf is this?

[@mkooij]

Lol cammy "slightly hard" just because her divekicks arent always plus....🤡

[@peterpansie5]

List is kinda bad. The logic for who goes where is constantly changing with some characters placed due to strength and some due to gameplan

[@PaddyRoon7]

I'm an SF6 viewer rather than a player, and I actually don't get Honda's reputation as a braindead character

[@Iratedragon4175]

Y’all we all disagree with this Mf one way or another so let’s just give bro a dislike and leave

[@weaponx8263]

Saying cammy is harder than Chun li is wild😂

[@firehammock3021]

As a mid-level player Chun-li is by far the hardest character in the game

[@allero]

This has some good information but often blurs the ease of use vs viability. Juri for example is easy to play simply/ poorly, but no mention of ca2 which is required at the highest level highlights my point.

[@Cezkarma]

sa2 on Juri is not difficult to learn

[@allero]

@@Cezkarma lol where do I even begin, I literally can't... Glad to know someone has the most dynamic install in the game all figured out though.

[@Cezkarma]

@@allero there is a difference between skill floor and skill ceiling. FSE has a low skill floor so it's no difficult, but has a high skill ceiling for creativity. How do you not understand that?

[@allero]

@@Cezkarma we are talking about if characters are hard to be effective with and you literally just said she has a high skill ceiling. Thank you for supporting my original point

[@Cezkarma]

@@allero my guy, a character can have a low skill floor and still have a high skill ceiling. But I can tell that you're still a newcomer to fighting games so these concepts may still be difficult to understand. I won't confuse you further.

[@dinamighty1937]

Dee jay should be harder because you need to get the use of lite out of your head

[@Lenumaza]

Honda is only easy to play at low level. At high level it's quite the opposite.

[@markchavez738]

Zangief should at least be in “Slightly Hard”

[@pkphantom]

I'm not sure how i feel about him dismissing Chun as mid. To dismiss the part of her kit that she needs to keep up in damage seems a bit off to me

[@truthseekingtroll3575]

Chun Li easier than Cammy to play? Wtf is this tier list? Stop using your subjective opinions as facts.

[@supa_uber4895]

Anyone know the song playing in the background at 8:35 ??

[@GuilesGarden]

Interesting list. I liked it. Guile mid is probably fair.

[@solarupdraft]

I'm curious how Guile perfect booms make him a medium, but Luke perfect knuckles don't budge him out of easy? Is it because Guile needs his perfects, but Luke doesn't need his to win?

[@vahallen9876]

Salt Broski is salty because Luke is too strong, that’s it Which mind you, it’s true, but was not the point of the list but salt got in the way so he put him in easy

[@juice6521]

Luke has some really hard to execute combos, but then he also has crouch medium punch, so you tell me.

[@lordronn472]

I think Chun Li is one of the absolute hardest

[@karloli9455]

I've never played Dhalsim in previous installments. Somehow he just clicked for me in SF6. He was daunting to play at first, but once you get the float thing down, it get s easier.

[@libertyprime9307]

He was traditionally much more a fullscreen zoner, which worked well because it wasn't possible to just DI to punish anything he does. In SF6 he's kinda a rushdown character.

[@MrHeesman]

Gief is medium...? I picked Gief as my main because I felt like he was Easy to play. :D The only real ''struggle'' I've had to deal with is learning to handle those who like to Fireball and backdash and nothing else. Or just Fire-Dashing, as I call it.

[@Backtothehat]

Wow… Juri is easy??? What????

[@OgichiGame]

Hard disagree with a lot of these placements. Feels like a lot of the characters got placed based on his own like/dislike of them. JP is strong as hell, but he's very technical. He shouldn't be that low. Juri is also pretty difficult to play because she has to manage a resource she burns through easily while doing fairly poor damage. And speaking as someone who loves to play Zangief as a secondary, he's really easy. His game-plan is just, get in, grab. Is he good? No. But is he easy? Absolutely. The skill floor and ceiling for Gief are both pretty low.

[@RandomPerson28337]

Ed is top 7 for sure

[@guy543215]

I got Master rank with Random select and I couldn’t disagree more with a lot of the choices here. Chun Li and Gief are up there with Rashid and Aki for the more difficult characters. Dee Jay is right behind them IMO. Cammy is very straightforward as well so im not sure how she is that difficult. I think broski is coming from a perspective of someone who is very good at playing quirky characters who are difficult to use well.

[@RichardPirh]

Mostly disagree. Deejay just because of his Super 3 and Charge and some inputs agree hard. The easiest are Honda Luke Ken Ryu and so on ,Shotos. JP and Manon feel quite technical.

[@deonbekende]

I don't get this list and what is the metric ( hard to learn ? hard to excecute ? hard to win ? From newbie POV ? From pro player POV ? ). Learning all the JP set-up and learning how to zone properly isn't easy at all. Same with DJ, it's hard to use his tool correctly .... just because JP carry us at low level, he is easy ? OK so Cammy is easy too then, since when do we need her dive kick to reach master ? I have harder time wining with Ryu than Cammy cause with ryu you need good fontamental you can't just use bullshit stuff to "outplay" people. This list make no sense because there is no precise metric.

[@RockBottom7626]

Luke is not that hard, but has a lot of depth/tech. The actual part that makes him somewhat hard: Hardest bread and butter (except for Guile) with his perfect knuckles, as they are three frames. Sometimes you just drop them.

[@vahallen9876]

Exactly my point Luke might be super strong and therefore easier to win with, but he has a ton of depth (so not just perfect knuckle execution)

[@armorgiraffe]

For sure, I can see that, and as you mentioned, a character being easy does not equal them being shallow, necceserly

[@giangole]

Juri is hard to play in theory, her drive rush pressure is so braindead and easy to execute that is absurd is what everyone play her for, if s2 comes around and you have actually to use your resources properly and use feng shui is a different story

[@kylecairns2847]

Your Luke, Juri, and Ryu placement is way off and barely substantiated. Why make the video at all if you're not going to bother going into more detail other than 'if you can count to three' or 'Ken but worse'. Just more content that clogs up the feed.

[@CrystalMang0]

How you think chun li easier than cammy?

[@trapsnake6]

That definitely threw me off. Chun and Kim are both harder than cammy

[@pastorofmuppets9346]

Bruh i know opinions are opinions but like... dj is objectively harder than marisa lol

[@hk5hk5]

I agree with dhalsim, but i totally dont agree with zangief. Zangief is not easy to play i this game .. he is defenitly hard to play

[@user-wy1et9dk9w]

I like this list. Anything I would change is a nitpick. Switching Ken and Marisa, moving Gief to at least slightly hard. Otherwise I’m mostly in agreement

[@AaronW0885]

I dropped Juri for Aki because she's so easy its boring to play as her. Capcom make Juri interesting again pls!

[@reddeadpoolhood]

On the contrary, many people showed that although she has Juri as her waifu they simply didn't play her like Baiken before Guilty Gear Strive because she was difficult, I guess the reverse happened to you.

[@matrxzeno4761]

Learn Feng Shui before dropping her. If you don't have the willpower to learn the hardest lvl 2 in the game don't go complaining to capcom telling them to make her "interesting"

[@xravia79]

​@@matrxzeno4761Feng Shui isn't as hard as your making it out to be. I spent a few weeks doing just that because I thought that was the most interesting part of Juri in this game. But even if it was it doesn't change the fact that Juri is pretty easy and uninteresting outside of that one super.

[@matrxzeno4761]

@@xravia79 its the hardest lvl 2 install to utilize properly you really cant change my mind on it

[@HellecticMojo]

@@matrxzeno4761 you also don't need to use it. Juri level 2 is techinically really great, but it's also worthless because it's pretty redundant. It doesn't really force the opponent to change their gameplan when you activate it. Compared to a level 2 like Jamie or Guile which provides strong utility, it's just kind of a "win more" button.

[@internethistorytrash7464]

this tier list is wrong, maybe for an advance player. but no way chun li is easier than cammy. dee jay is harder than ryu and ken.

[@reversecowboy]

Thank you for justifying the fact that I can’t breach plat 3 cuz I play three of the hardest characters in the game

[@CielBlanche]

I've never played older fighting games like Guilty Gear AC+R, what makes those characters so much harder to play?

[@OgichiGame]

Nothing. Bro is just yapping cause he has that oldhead mentality of "back in my day", and had to take a jab in Old Game vs New Game.

[@jiiiigsaw]

Ken is easy, but alot harder if you optimize with run-cancle combos.

[@StephGoKrazy]

Im a blanka main and I’d put him in medium once you get over the hurdle of charge controls he’s not that hard.

[@shieldlesscap6124]

I think on the surface Dee Jay is somewhat difficult because of having no cancelable pokes and being a charge character, but both of those kinda go out the window when your most rewarding special is a motion special that can be combod into by literally every cancelable normal and every drive rush normal

[@YouAlreadyKnowBabi]

Brain dead ass character

[@jcramirez77]

even capcom put chun as hard, one combo can have 3 plus serenity motions, the execution is not medium

[@jamesdasilva9939]

As a Honda main I do enjoy the taste of glue after my dinner.

[@aledantih6524]

Bro Marisa and Manon in slightly easy but Cammy in slightly hard? What?

[@Azure888]

I have to disagree with your Chun placement. Her stance cancels are absolutely not just combo filler, but even if they were, they’re pretty difficult to pull off in clutch situations and it can completely change her combo routes.

[@benisign]

Manon is my favorite crayon consumer. I agree she's braindead but it doesn't matter since I'm having so much fun.

[@LiangHuBBB]

good list bro

[@ashanron8161]

To add to support that Dee Jay's easy, you don't even need his level two to play, or you could simply use light punch version and mash through the whole thing. I Tried for hours in training mode and was still unable to do the complete lv2, yet it felt so much easier to win with him than even other easy characters like Luke.

[@Jonkin715]

True

[@armorgiraffe]

Pretty much agree with most things said, interesting topic

[@Amaling]

This feels like a "how effective is a character's flowchart" tierlist more than anything else

[@Cezkarma]

Then I don't think you really watched the video.

[@rburgan45]

I play modern so they all seem easy except Dhalsim

[@XenonAgenT01]

i cammy main/gief secondary and coming from a pretty decent sf3 necro main/hugo secondary and i personally think all charge characters are harder than Gief LOL. and i think ken is harder than gief as well. but it could be that i just never took the time to execute charge characters to the fullest. but really good at 360/720s I wish capcom just brought necro back. (hopefully keeping his special moves half circles still)

[@Jonkin715]

I hope for the return of Necro as well.

[@likethewind5088]

I wouldnt put Honda in a whole other category simply for the fact that he is a charge character. He is def is top 2 easiest to play though.

[@JoshT4life]

Guiles execution is hard. If you want standard guile then medium

[@juice6521]

Guile mains on copium.

[@animegeorge2718]

jamie braindead