rant: BIGGEST PROBLEM with UA Dream ‘65 pedal (TOO REALISTIC for worship?)

[@BillySoundFarm]

Just FYI, this video has a context... there's a few videos I did on this pedal that you can watch here: kzbin.info/aero/PLo2qPZaBmyM-ovBiVpLRDHmolDMWRB6IK

[@mehulshukla04]

disappointed i didn't hear any of the fart sounds from the devices. That's what I clicked the video for.

[@BillySoundFarm]

I'm sorry. Seriously. ... I tried to get that for the video and it just didn't work out. When I originally did this experiment I was really new to this pedal, and it was almost a year ago. This video wasn't really planned; I was recording one of the other dream 65 videos I did and I kind of went on this tear and decided the video was too long so I separated this out to just post later. ... So when I sat down to try to figure out what I did to make it sound like wet farts, I couldn't quite get it to do it. I was trying to use what I thought was the preset I saved when I did it the first time (the preset workflow in UA is horrible), and I recorded an A/b test and it just didn't do the same thing it did way back when I did it the first time. Maybe it was a different guitar or different something, or maybe it wasn't the right preset. ... I could have started the whole experiment again (without using that preset) But it was a long process and I just didn't have time for it right now with the holidays and stuff, and my day job lol... ... And then, super frustratingly, I was playing this thing on my armchair or something afterward and it started making the fart sounds again and I was like "what!?!"... When it happens again I will stop what I'm doing and record it, Post it, and I will share the link with you here in this comments thread. ... Or, and I have to seriously consider this possibility... I've been using real amps and realistic modelers long enough now that the speaker distortion doesn't bother me anymore. I wish there was a way to test that.

[@mehulshukla04]

@@BillySoundFarmHehe no worries man it was a really interesting video and thank you for your time and effort in making this. Very informative the sounds would just have been a bonus but you’ve already put in so much effort . Thanks and all the best with the music. I use a real amp with an ox box that has speaker emulations.

[@BillySoundFarm]

Just released a video with more comprehensive sound samples, if you're interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2anfomFn8uEh7M

[@komobabo]

This is what people do not understand and most don’t not want to understand. 99% of your “tone” IS the speaker. The amp part and guitar parts and everything else is colored through that lens. By changing the IR you can get it to sound like a Vox or something else entirely and that is based purely on the speaker emulation. If you’re having trouble dialing it in (like I was at first) it’s because you fundamentally do not understand speakers. And how you cannot get more volume out of an amp without it distorting there is a balance to be had.

[@Zhivago392]

Gotta be honest here. This video is super click baity and there is no substance to back up any of these claims. You are stating you are getting "wet farty" sounds out of this thing, yet no context of this happening? So you want to capture the greatness of an amp, without capturing any of the realistic qualities of the amp; but you fail at both? I am just beyond confused, and honestly I'm disappointed I wasted 5 minutes watching this. I play the both a real princeton from the 60s, and the UA dream, and never once encounter "wet farty" territory, or Dry farty territory. Like what do you mean? We can do better as a guitar community. I think the massive failure happening here is this video being made.

[@BillySoundFarm]

I'm so sorry to disappoint you, and our customer service department will issue you a full refund. Also, this video has a context, you can check it out here if you're interested: kzbin.info/aero/PLo2qPZaBmyM-ovBiVpLRDHmolDMWRB6IK&si=hZnfs8rMhtEeElnL

[@Zhivago392]

@@BillySoundFarm So I really wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt my dude, I ended up watching the first video in your playlist you linked, and 10 minutes later, still no sound examples of the wet fartyness you describe.... You go off on tirades without any evidence backing your claims up. Fool me once.... good luck on your channel. You talk like an expert in the field with no actual real experience.

[@BillySoundFarm]

Well I appreciate the honesty, come back any time!

[@BillySoundFarm]

Just released a video with more comprehensive sound samples, including wet fart sounds, if you're interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2anfomFn8uEh7M

[@JediMasterRick2]

I recently bought a Dream 65 used for a very good price. I’ve had it three weeks and now I’m going to sell it and get the Boss IR-2. You’re so right. It’s very accurate to a 65 reverb but a 65 reverb cranked doesn’t sound good. It has an incredible spring reverb but I don’t use much reverb. Also it doesn’t have an effects loop. I may even sell my pedals and just get a Fender Mustang of Boss Katana. I’m tired of fiddling with things.

[@BillySoundFarm]

Every time I've tried a katana in store I couldn't get the thing to make a sound I liked... It's just occurring to me now that I might have the same experience with the IR-2

[@JediMasterRick2]

@@BillySoundFarm yeah. I need to test out the Mustang GTX in person at GC and also the Boss IR-2 before buying anything else.

[@Jaysteenn]

👍👍👍

[@alguitarchristie]

I saw one of your shorts, so was interested to hear how you got the pedal to sound. But it's just blah, blah!Why don't you play some tones so we can hear?

[@BillySoundFarm]

This one has some sound samples kzbin.info/www/bejne/faauq6GuidZge80

[@BillySoundFarm]

Thank you so much for this comment. A lot of people have actually given me angry comments because I didn't include sound samples in all the videos, and I was about to move on from the dream pedal to other topics, but I really think after reading your comment I have to sit down and do a sound sample video. I'm just going to keep getting these comments if I don't, thanks for the extra push off the ledge!

[@BillySoundFarm]

Just released a video with more comprehensive sound samples, if you're interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2anfomFn8uEh7M

[@skatertrev7]

"I almost gave up..." Have you tried following through?

[@BillySoundFarm]

lol obviously I did in this case. Sometimes you have to walk away from a problem and come back to it fresh.

[@narichey1981]

I have a dream and a ruby blended with a gfi duophony, and I'm using the speakers on the pedals. It sounds fantastic for church tones. I run those into my helix with no amp in the helix so I can use all the effects and switching until I can finish building out my pedalboard

[@BillySoundFarm]

I dig it, I like using the dream with an HX effects

[@thomascleveland]

I run it into an EHX magnum, and then into a real speaker cabinet, with the speaker emulation disabled. And in my opinion lead mode sounds great cranked. I will still check my diaper tho

[@BillySoundFarm]

😂

[@shawnmcvey7789]

This is why consider almost no gear as 1:1. Everything has it's quirks, if you embrace them you'll find a new avenue in the city that is your sound.

[@BillySoundFarm]

I dig it

[@jash500]

I appreciate you sharing the results of your experiments. I was set on getting the Dream 65 in an attempt to chase the perfect scooped clean sparkle for church. Maybe the Iridium would be a better choice. I like how the Iridium “Round” setting sounds in most audio clips I hear.

[@BillySoundFarm]

The truth is, either one is going to sound great It's just a matter of knowing how to dial it in. This little rant is really about me trying to dial in my dream pedal as if it were a Helix model, the dream pedal will definitely do the sparkle thing that you want. I actually did a video recently where I show it my exact settings to get my three worship tones, and one of them is exactly "scooped and sparkly"

[@BillySoundFarm]

Here's the video, kzbin.info/www/bejne/faauq6GuidZge80 ... Like I said, the iridium or the dream are both going to be great, the flagship modelers are all so good it doesn't really make sense to decide based on tone anymore. I actually spend more time thinking and talking about user interface and workflow considerations in my videos.

[@jash500]

@@BillySoundFarm oh nice! Good to hear. I’ll check that video out. Currently I have a pod go (also have a timeline and big sky controlled via midi) and am really interested in upgrading to a Dream and a Kernom Ridge overdrive.

[@BillySoundFarm]

@@jash500 I'm not as familiar with the pod go, But if the amp models in there are the same as in the HX stomp then I think the dream will sound better but not as much better as some people might make you think. I actually did a stomp versus dream for worship video as well and some of it might apply to the pod go.

[@BillySoundFarm]

@@jash500 also, I think one thing you'll find with the dream pedal that might also be true of the iridium, those little units are so much better for playing at home, the things it's right on the arm of your chair, It fits in a lot of guitar cases, there's a lot that I love about that pedal outside of the context of playing for church. Whenever I use a bigger all-in-one like my HX effects, or something like a Helix or a pod go, it feels like work. I don't know if that's helpful or not

[@BillySoundFarm]

Sorry about the rant, kind of got myself going there.

[@Robot15432]

This is the correct commentary on these pedals. I’m using the UA Dream, and it’s so accurate to a real deluxe reverb that it reminds me of all the reasons why I don’t like Deluxe Reverbs. But overall, the Dream and Ruby feel and respond like the real thing. The first modelers I’ve ever gotten along with.

[@BillySoundFarm]

Ah... Someone gets it.

[@egnater1959]

Thanks for all your advice concerning the Dream 65. I learned more from you than from all the other videos on KZbin. I just got myself the Ox Stomp and have finally managed to turn the Dream into a real dream. Forget all the onboard IRs of the 65, this thing is in a league of its own.

[@BillySoundFarm]

That's so interesting, One of the first things I did when I got this thing and realized what the secret emulations were (samples from Ox land), I was in contact with UA support trying to figure out how to get other ox speaker emulations on board. When that was impossible, I asked him if I needed to plug a real amp into an ox box in order to use it for the speaker emulations (You do). ... So when I saw that ox stomp produce 10 months later I was like, "Heeeeeeeeeyyyyy" 😂 ... Thanks so much for the comment, this is actually a lot of work and it's not so easy to keep going when you're not sure if anybody gets any value out of it. I appreciate it.

[@SnappyScience]

I watched most of this video thinking you have spent so much time and money on amp emulators (which I think are great), when you could have spent $30 and built an DIY attenuator for your amp and used that in church. Solves the sound and volume problem unless I'm missing something here. Not criticism as I love a good pedal experiment as much as the next player.

[@BillySoundFarm]

I didn't buy the dream, it was a gift from a business partner/guitar friend (every year he gets me what he calls my "Christmas bonus", this year he got me a Kemper Toaster 🤯) ... If you separate out my HX effects, since I would need that even if I used my tube amp on stage, I've got less than half the money in amp modelers that I would need to buy an amp that I thought was as good as the model tones I use. ... I have a tube amp, it's one of those mono price Amazon stage right 15 amps that I got used for less than $200. I use at home, and I love it, but when I profiled it with a Kemper so that I can compare it with other profiles and models apples to apples... It doesn't sound good enough to get my tones. But when I practice with it in the room my ear gets tricked by the fact that it's in the room so it sounds better than it would mic'd up in the house. ... I'm not permitted to have stage volume, so I would need something like an ox box to use an amp head that would give a load and also transmit my signal to house digitally without stage volume, which means I really only have 25% of the money in a modelers that I would need to get the same tone to the real amp on stage. ... But most of all... I'm a super nerd and I love tinkering with this stuff.

[@BillySoundFarm]

Just released a video with more comprehensive sound samples, if you're interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2anfomFn8uEh7M

[@twitcheyspleen]

"not good farts, wet farts!" ....hahahaha ... I really like it that you can get your tones from digital gear that are not possible from the 'real' amp.

[@BillySoundFarm]

Yeah I was pretty worked up when I recorded this 😂

[@andocobo]

I don’t believe for a second that 5 of the 6 speaker models were completely unusable

[@BillySoundFarm]

I respect your skepticism

[@BillySoundFarm]

On the one hand, I'm not a liar. But on the other hand, a liar would say that, too. 🤷

[@andocobo]

@@BillySoundFarm it’s not so much skepticism as knowing that all speaker models on that pedal are usable, they may not be precisely what you want, but they’re all absolutely usable sounds

[@BillySoundFarm]

@@andocobo well I didn't say they were unusable, I said they were "unusable for me", I don't see how that's any different from saying that I couldn't get my sound with them

[@BillySoundFarm]

I actually have another video idea in my mind on this topic... This process taught me something about where tone starts. It doesn't start with the Amp and build around that. It starts with the speaker (or speaker emulation) and build around that. It hit me when the Friedman IR-x came out and in the user literature they mentioned something about selecting an IR to "build your tone around"... It's likely that if I started with a commitment to x or y speaker emulation in the Dream pedal and sculpted the tone around that, then none of them would be unusable for me.

[@Strepite]

So the dude is complaining that the modelling is too accurate? Lol what a useless video 😂😂😂😂

[@BillySoundFarm]

Thanks! This one I sound demos so you can hear what I'm talking about kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2anfomFn8uEh7M

[@mjjames2442]

It’s subjective

[@jst601]

The disease of "worship guitar".

[@BillySoundFarm]

?

[@kevinpaige5746]

Was hoping to hear the farts.

[@BillySoundFarm]

And you deserve to hear wet farts! I'll do a follow up with sound samples when I get a chance. It's been a busy couple weeks.

[@BillySoundFarm]

Just released a video with more comprehensive sound samples, including farts, if you're interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2anfomFn8uEh7M

[@lookmanostrings]

Wow I saw that terrible thumbnail and click bait title, and I just came in to give it a thumbs down while not watching the video. Ok as you were. LOL.

[@BillySoundFarm]

Thanks for stopping by!

[@skatertrev7]

Same

[@charleszaman7666]

Same

[@menschlicheswesen84]

What i take out of the video: Dry fart's good, wet fart's bad... And reality is overhyped, stay in your'e Illusion if it suit's you...😅

[@BillySoundFarm]

Exactly... I don't think anyone would disagree with me about letting one rip, and then finding out the hard way that it was a wet one... That's way worse than a dry one.

[@charleszaman7666]

Cringe

[@BillySoundFarm]

Thanks!