Rare Judo chokes in the Aikido curriculum (Kubishime - Shime Waza)

[@manueldalope220]

Thanks!

[@Chadi]

Thank you so much for your support

[@AuthorSamLui]

My previous BJJ coach John Ouano did Aikido for years. Had the meanest wristlocks ever, due to his background in Aikido.

[@tavtav3526]

Do you know 'age' and 'sage'? What makes wrist lock hurt the most cause you did sage hands technique. Martial art that's not focused on armed-grappling tend to neglect the important of wrist lock. Wrist lock isn't for throwing or pinning your opponent, it's for disarming purpose. And aikido kotegaeshi isn't a technique, kotegaeshi is a kata, a packs of techniques. The wrist lock itself using technique called sage hands.

[@stefanobio7045]

@@tavtav3526 Wrist locks can also be used for control and restraint this is why the Police are taught them as part of their training syllabus.

[@Chadi]

Wrist locks are incredibly effective my wrists still click from years of aikido

[@stefanobio7045]

@@Chadi Hi Chadi......all pain compliance locks to the joints are only effective if the person can actually feel them, alcohol, drugs, adrenaline, mental health problems are drastically raise the pain threshold so pain compliance locks including wrist locks become useless under these cirumstances, i speak from practical use of these types of locks....best regards, Stefano.

[@SoldierDrew]

@@stefanobio7045 Hello, I understand exactly what you saying by experience. Pain compliance is useless in adrenalized combat or under chemical substances. But there are pain compliance wrist locks and then there are wrist "snapping" methods that snap the wrist quickly breaking or tearing it apart, which are effective mechanically even if they feel no pain. Finally, some wrist locks act as a fulcrum to turn the elbow, lock the shoulder, which locks the scapula into the spine and controls a resisting, adrenalized, combatant.

[@AikidoApplied]

Chadi - still enjoying your videos. Keep digging deeper and deeper. Aikikai is a very big tent. Beneath it, lots of different people doing different things. (BYW, Never ever raise your elbow like he does with his irmi-nage (enter-throw) before he transitions to ushiro-hadaka-jime.) Aikido, Judo, Sambo, BJJ all come from Jujutsu, the latter two via judo. Shime-waza is therefore common to each. As yudansha (black belts) we were taught all kinds of chokes (and escapes) when I began Aikido in Little Tokyo LA before moving to Japan 1997. O-sensei himself and all his original students studied other martial arts intensively. It is only natural that those who had experience in jujutsu or its progeny judo would include shimewaza in some classes. Aikido is like this ... particularly Aikikai ... it is standardized but then again it is not and has lots of variations in expression, emphasis, etc. depending on the individual teacher, particularly the Japanese shihan who spread it worldwide. I am not surprised in the least by the chokes. There are more!

[@cesarag0723]

Well done! I agree 100%! Keep it coming! I think training Judo and Aikido is a great combination.

[@Chadi]

Thank you Cesar

[@WolframtheBlessed3499]

Judo and anything is a great combination.

[@kcmacdonald]

Aikido is an extra layer for a grappling blackbelt (or even just a "mixed grappler" who gets it), It's like teaching a boxer how to punch in the clinch/dirty box Or teaching a Muay Thai guy headbutts in the clinch (lethwei style) Or teaching a guy who has good striking and wrestling mechanics a "combatives" module like Krav Maga... Working as a bouncer I used gooseneck wrist locks, hammerlocks, standing arm drag to standing RNC, footsweeps off of shoves or collar+bicep/elbow Training with competitive grapplers now so those moves are rather low percentage, but because I'm comfortable with them sometimes I get lucky and sink them, often I'm able to use an attempt to sweep or set up higher percentage moves, or finish someone who's defending well with wristlock. I've also used kotegaeshi* throws in BJJ without ever training Aikido, because of the "sparring practice" of dragging drunk people out of bars who were trying to throw punches and grab the suit jacket for 10 years If someone started an aikido club that only accepted accomplished grapplers we'd see a whole new level of modern aikido in a short period of time, and probably a new generation of police defensive tactics instructors

[@Chadi]

I agree 100%

[@giriasis]

My experience training Aikido those that learn Aikido after accomplishing another martial art first, their Aikido is far superior than those of us that it’s our first art (my three years in kiddie TKD I don’t count). My two sempai one has a Japanese Jiu-Jitsu background and the other Shotokan Karate. The latter is a police officer and has always found Aikido effective for his profession.

[@kcmacdonald]

@@giriasis agreed I've never trained aikido, just "look see do" 'd certain techniques to solve certain strikey grabby problems I was having. I've worked with and rolled with alot of guys who did things like aikido, trad JJ, trad karate styles, if you can box or wrestle already add a whole new element to your game. They *can* function on their own, but imo more effectively they can be an extra 20% that other guys can't figure out if you have good hitty grabby mechanics ie the machida brothers can box, kickbox, wrestle, grapple but their high level karate and sumo! add elements of timing and patterning that just absolutely mess people up

[@mikedasilva5239]

@@giriasis O'sensei and all his live in students had black belts in other martial arts before starting Aikido. Tohei sensei, Shioda sensei and Kenji Tomiki all had black belts in Judo!

[@AstrotominChina]

Beautifully done sir, you are a gem. My former partner of Aikido, my sempai, cross traines regularly in Judo and Karate and used to teach me the rear choke from irimi nage as a variation or application. He used it for a demonstration with a taekwondo instructor as he got challenged. It worked very well and he was invited to start an Aikido course in that gym....

[@Chadi]

Thank you sir

[@PARR53]

Chadi brother there are pictures of OSensei choking people. These chokes are all taught in Diato Ryu. Lol older styles of Aikido have always had chokes. Aikido has a much wider syllabus then most people realize because it totally depends on not only the organization you belong to but the various Shihan within it. I’ve been doing Aikido 15yrs and have attended many seminars with several different Shihan, NONE of them have ever taught the art exactly the same. You should check out Chiba Shihan if you love stuff like this video. His Aikido was very Kibeshi “severe”.

[@Chadi]

Thank you i will

[@rashidmartialarts9513]

Excellent. this is how Aikido should be practiced, by going back to its jujitsu roots.

[@Chadi]

100% Rashid

[@TimHe-f1x]

It's definitely a good start. Especially the boken kiai, I still apply the concept and step in MMA sparring...

[@-westman3619]

Maybe check out the work of Christopher Hein Sensei in Fresno. He interprets aikido much differently than most people in the art. His podcast is called "Aikido Discussed" and he has a youtube channel called "Chu Shin Tani" (look at the newer videos). He proposes that aikido is totally functional, just not for the context we assume it works for

[@tavtav3526]

I'm an aikidoka and thinking about quitting aikido till I watch his video. Aikido is the most understimated martial art. Cause ppl is so ignorant they can only comprehend something using their own view, not the creator view.

[@Chadi]

I've seen his work and i like his talks

[@ErnestRama]

I saw the channel you recomended,its awsome 😀

[@-westman3619]

@@ErnestRama Ya, I love it! Check out the podcast too if you are into podcasts!

[@josecortez2526]

Great video Chadi. As someone who use to train Aikido I am very happy to discover these techniques. They are new to me so they fascinate me. The one choke with the gable grip looks a lot like the no gi modified baseball choke. Very cool stuff. Keep up the good work. Love it.

[@Chadi]

Thank you Jose

[@zegarek840525]

@Jose Cortez these are combinations "Baseball Bat Choke / Paper Cutter Choke"... the "technique" itself is just an explanation of the biomechanics, you don't have to do exactly the same ... when you look closely, this "technique" at 3m36s with your right hand under his left armpit, the position almost behind his back can be a choke or an introduction to "D'arce Choke" ", where" D'arce Choke "mechanically works like" anaconda choke "... MASTER the Darce Choke! Part 1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIeYd3-Fh5mWY6s A Darce And Anaconda Drill! kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6K4iJeZf8SHp7c Aikido lacks at least light sparring, there are a lot of counter-attack techniques, explanation of biomechanics, but not simply but through techniques, you have to practice something earlier or in parallel with sparring ... most Aikidoka will try to make a "technique" from A to Z, regardless of changing conditions, where the first technique could be a precursor to a different reaction ... they can't find each other in "haos" which is really a friend, you will change something in the attack , the attacker has a slight problem, the question is who is better to use the situation ;)

[@realtalk9169]

I practice Tang Soo Do and practice hyungs. (Katas) with hidden grappling including chokes. Thank you for your instruction Sensei.

[@Chadi]

Thank you for listening

[@tichtran8792]

That aikido neck crank with both hands on neck and twisting the head reminds me of the craveat. A move from CATCH and pro wrestling. In fact Rionne Fujiwari( legit black belt in aikido) is trying to fuse aikido with catch wrestling in his KZbin channel. He is not only a aikido practitioner but a catch wrestling student at Snake Pit Japan. And yes he is also a pro wrestler.

[@ravenlasky5286]

+1 for "man made kuzushi." It's a good phrase, and I'm keeping it.

[@Chadi]

Haha thank you

[@darthtrollious3285]

Judo chokes in Aikido. You have stepped into the Tomiki zone my friend. Welcome

[@ErnestRama]

Hello Chadi..first of all i am a big fan of your channel,one of the best out here... i wanted to ask you,could you make a video on Daito Ryu and Shuai Jiao...that would be interesting. Thanks a lot 👍

[@Chadi]

Thank you! They're on my channel already

[@rynoerasmus7869]

Hi Chadi, great video! Please keep us posted on your own Budo explorations? Your approach on Aikido sounds very interesting from a philosophical as well as combative point of view. Thanks again for another very informative video!

[@Chadi]

Thank you so much I'll keep you posted

[@SergeleBlanc07]

Hi Chadi I totally agree about integrating suwari waza into ne waza. It definitely breaks the monotony and opens up new oppportunities to try techniques in a new context. In Gyokushin ryu and Yoseikan we practice a set of 17 chokes called Shime no Kata. It contains what is seen in the basic judo shime waza. We have developed it to the point where each choke logically progresses to the next based on a reaction by Uke. The advanced students work on Sutemi which finish in either Shime or Kansetsu waza. I beleive part of Mochizuki Sensei's research had focused on integrating the pragmatic approach present in judo into the Aikido curriculum. He was also adamant about the preservation of other once fundamental excercizes like Te hodoki standing escapes from various grips, headlocks, bear hugs...etc. These later combine with Tai Sabaki and serve as entries for the major techniques in aikido including sutemi waxa. The practitioner ends up knowing both an aiki and a grappling version of a given technique. Personally I find it has aided my grip work in judo. As the student progresses we integrate striking attacks. It is my understanding that many such practices also existed in mainstream aikido until the passing of O-sensei in 1969. At this point the Aikikai curriculum was heavily revised with the notion of promoting the art to the public. This may be part of the reason why many early Aikido masters went their own way at that time. In response to the Idea of de-emphasizing Te Hodoki and other similar such basics, Mochizuki Sensei would reply by asking "how will people learn without them? ". Once again great insight ! Keep em coming! I think your work here is having positive effect on the martial arts community during these uncertain times. Osu

[@Chadi]

Wow Yoseikan seems incredibly legit! I should give it a shot

[@SergeleBlanc07]

@@Chadi You might like it! There are a few small schools in various countries. Right now in Canada many dojos are still closed and very uncertain about reopening. These days the yoseikan name is being used for a more recreational martial arts based sport founded by Hiroo Mochizuki (his son). The original style operates under different names now. We use Gyokushin Ryu Aikido in reference to the first JuJutsu style He was taught as a boy. In the states Yoseikan is still used by some. There have been other organizations like Seifukai and Nihon Tai Jutsu (in France i Beleive) which were founded by former uchi deshi from the hombu dojo. In Holland there is an excellent school called Budo Academy Physical headed by shihan Esgar Kruyning with an excellent KZbin channel they also train for Bjj and MMA

[@jtilton5]

In my dojo's style of Aikido (Nishio) the choke at 3:40 is called "The Hanging Choke" because you use the Uke's body weight to choke them.

[@Chadi]

Thank you for sharing

[@towag]

Was taught these years ago by a black belt who taught me judo as a kid and teen... Very useful for putting people to sleep!!

[@Chadi]

Exactly

[@MrKahunadog]

Totally agree with the sentiment. I've been a proponent of techniques utilized in aikido. I really liked the video that discussed teaching and testing the offense and defense of techniques not utlized in competition. I'd also support utilizing those in practice when not peaking for competition. The video mentions legality of kansetsu waza in Judo. It was legal till recently. This created greater arm awareness during kumi kata. I've had ikkyo, nikkyo and sankyo work on me in various rules settings. Imo the training methods and set ups are the key to finding set ups that work today of trapping the arm. Because uke/opponent is standing, we cannot conceptually close 3of4 escapes/counters... so we must use movement or atemi as an integral part of the set up. A point that many grapplers do not concieve is the incredible unfamiliar pain these locks can create which when done by someone familiar with them can create a WallyJay type jj flow in uke, move uke or pin uke.

[@MrKahunadog]

Or break things

[@Chadi]

I agree

[@danielpederson1630]

The content on your channel is great. I practice Aikido and Danzan Ryu Jujitsu and find that they complement each other nicely. I appreciate your open minded approach, it's very informative. Please keep it coming.

[@Chadi]

Thank you Daniel

[@cagedraptor]

I have learned so very much from my Aikido. Mixed with my Bjj, Kali, MMA and my other interests have, for me, developed into a very effective art. Aiki has been a blessing to my abilities and am so very glad I have it.

[@Chadi]

Thanks for sharing

[@jacobharris954]

So you mixed martial arts with mma 🤔

[@cagedraptor]

@@jacobharris954 Well I have gathered from everything I have learned over the last 46 years and use what works for me.

[@gripacademyaikidojiujitsu]

Exactly. Great points of dialoge. Really great. Thanks for this! Suwari waza and Ude osae waza.

[@Chadi]

Thank you Matt

[@giriasis]

Hey Chadi, have you explored videos with Mitsunari Kanai? He had a judo background before training with O’Sensei and he incorporated quite a few judo style throws such as makiotoshi, tai otoshi, suburi goshi in addition to sumi otoshi. He along with Yamada Sensei was part of the United States Aikido Federation incorporated judo style throws. Mike Jones Sensei that you see in this video was Uchi Deshi at New York Aikikai and would have trained under many of Kanai Sensei’s primary students.

[@Chadi]

Yes I've seen his work he firm grips never knew he was a judoka

[@AikidoApplied]

My first teacher studied with Kanai sensei while at Harvard getting his M.A. in Japanese Studies. Kanai sensei (like many of the teachers) was a skillful judoka as was his friend since junior high school and Aikikai contemporary T. K. Chiba.

[@daniel-meir]

I practice Aikido with Judo-like sparrings where both opponents strive to win by techniques and counter-techniques instead of force. We also add Judo techniques because why not. If you're ever in Massachusetts, drop by. Aikido works at least in these types of sparrings, it is just a matter of practice.

[@mp89701n]

you're killing it with this content chadi. amazing stuff. hope you're not burning out!

[@Chadi]

Thank you Matthew

[@davidfricker3258]

Finally someone with a more clear insight.thank you.

[@Chadi]

Thank you David

[@ThibautKurt23]

In my dojo we practiced a sutemi in ey taikido, in the case we missed an ude kime nage and to counter an attack from uke, it was really nice. Also the whole summer I attended the summer stage of my dojo with my sensei and Philippe Cocconi 6th dan, and even if we mostly practiced katas with the jo and bokken because the covid, on some occasions we could do the normal stuff, and one day with Philippe Cocconi he proposed we do a free sparing. And this is where I noticed the people who only practiced aikido were not comfortable with it. They tried to do shihonage but it did not work, and Philippe Cocconi said "each time I propose this kind of activity I see people trying to do shihonage. Man that's a tough one to make work in a spare". As I have practiced judo for eleven years I did not react like the people who only practised aikido and when the Sensei asked me which technics I would try to perform I did not answer the same as the others. He told me he see that I have judo randori experience compared to the others but I lack the practicing of the aikido technics, and he assured me that if I practice more I'll be able to make the technics effective in a randori context.

[@Chadi]

Thank you for sharing

[@mauropalmieri1568]

Nailed it Chadi 👏👏👏

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@StarkRaveness]

3rd dan Aikido Iwama Ryu, some years in Tai Chi Yang style and now 5 years Systema. Aikido was my first art and laid the foundation for everything else, grounding, timing, blending, weapons, technique, relaxation, pressure testing. Personally I dont think its a complete martial art and doesnt encourage exploration of technique or places an emphasise on relaxation, the former being one of its biggest disadvantages in my opinion just like much of the martial arts out in the world.

[@Chadi]

Thank you for sharing

[@rustyshackleford735]

I like aikido in its own way, it's full of very interesting and potentially effective movements. I think it's best for people that already have strong, active grappling experience, much like it was intended. as I get older with several old injuries I think of one day doing aikido: I've sparred for perhaps thousands of hours throughout my life at some point I feel like I can practice grappling arts without sparring and still get a lot from it.

[@Chadi]

I agree! I think Aikido should be practiced after a long life of fighting to really polish things and maybe let those injuries heal

[@majdikamal1389]

Nice video chadi .... I wish if I could see videos that explain fully the forbidden judo kudokan and judo cosen techniques including judo techniques that work for no gi fighting

[@Chadi]

Same

[@davidlazarus4198]

This is such a great video. If you want to see some interesting ideas have a look at Bruce Bookman Aikido Extensions, where he incorporates BJJ into his Aikido, and also some ideas on how to have more spontaneous randori.

[@kevionrogers2605]

Don't underestimate or neglect the basic atemi waza of Aikido: Shomenuchi, yokomenuchi, shomenate, uraken, urazuki, oizuki, & munetsuki.

[@Chadi]

Indeed

[@zegarek840525]

these are also traditional about ju-jutsu and karate ... too often they are performed wrongly, but wrongly in the sense that they are easy to defend or even counterattack if you have practiced the sport hit very briefly, writing very briefly, then if you do not have any special predispositions and you do not exercise literally every day or even more often, then a year is little to have an advantage over others in sparring ... these techniques are like trying to stick a knife in someone in different positions ... additionally they can complement unusual strokes if you find yourself in an uncomfortable position as a body position during a fight ...

[@jwgoon]

Most Aikido dojos have removed all the atemi waza that was normally found in Daito Ryu and other older forms of Jujutsu. Some of these atemi strikes should be brought back into the teachings.

[@daveneedham4443]

The shime waza is not across the front of the throat, but along the side of the throat, constricting the carotid sinus. If you don't have the shime waza in 15 seconds, give it up, and try again later. Longer time, failure of shime waza results in injury, hospitalization and sometimes death. :(

[@JamesMMcCann]

Good work as always.

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@richierich107]

thank you for the video that was really interesting,

[@brandgardner211]

Check out the videos of Wind Song Dojo [in Oklahoma City -- they teach judo and aikido both]

[@Chadi]

Thank you Brand

[@kevionrogers2605]

They use to come down to Louisiana to train with us during the summers.

[@brandgardner211]

@@kevionrogers2605 must have been great :)

[@eirdofkoda]

Oh my goodness I had no idea Aikido or these old Howcast videos were featured on this channel. I only watched the Judo/Grappling vids for so long. Now I go back and see this stuff being talked about lol. These chokes are not in the typical Aikido "curriculum" so don't expect to see them except in a select few places! EDIT I should say Aikikai Curriculum, I don't know about other Aikido traditions.

[@Chadi]

Thanks for sharing! Do you still train there??

[@eirdofkoda]

@@Chadi No I don't. I actually didn't technically train there anymore when we shot these videos. As I go through your channel I am discovering that you came to the same conclusion I did, which was this stuff doesn't really work lol. I moved on to other Martial Arts (Judo and Muay Thai) Actually, though I haven't seen Mike in years, he started doing these chokes when he got into BJJ and started adding different stuff to his Aikido. He experimented a lot and liked to find ways to incorporate other Martial Arts techniques into Aikido. Which is why he was great to learn from. Always had an open mind and is a true Martial Artist.

[@Chadi]

@@eirdofkoda I'm glad we reached the same conclusion, Mike seems pretty cool, saved these videos from 2013.

[@cortomaltese8906]

If you practice aikido but you have studied judo or jiujitsu long enough, you know how to use those techniques after an aikido entry, it’s almost natural to apply it. There are many other options including for instance kimura and so called snake-choke after nikkyo or sankyo replacing traditional pin, kaiten nage to armbar or or again for judo practitioners how to use gokyo from standing grappling or while on ground in full and half guard etc etc... we can go on for hours and would be nice if someone could do an extensive video covering this topic

[@Chadi]

I think Roy Dean covered this

[@brandgardner211]

Thank you, sensei. Greetings from wing chun gung fu.

[@KarlKarsnark]

As a fellow lapsed Aikidoka, it's great that you're showing some of the chokes and there are plenty more, of course. Check out Roy Dean and Bruce Bookman. They're both dan-ranked in Aikdio and BJJ, so they have some very interesting insights into both arts.

[@tavtav3526]

Do you know Christopher Hein?

[@Chadi]

I love Roy Dean

[@KarlKarsnark]

@@Chadi Thanks for the reply! Roy is great. I wish Joe Rogan would have him come on his show to explain some of the common roots of J-J-, Judo and Aikido. I think of them as being different shades of the same color, or dialects of the same language, so to speak.Thanks for all your great work! Cheers from the US.

[@kristianOLS]

I think it would be important to say that judo had standing subs until recently.

[@Chadi]

True

[@TT-lg7ip]

Another great vid 👍 The most profound thing Tomita sensei tought me during my brief aikido period was "to not be there", i.e. never stand in the way of force (like when a train comes at you, just step off the track). Chadi, do you know of any aikido off-shoot style where they actually let the uke's attack more 'realistic' (like with the most common caveman strike, instead of with all that aikido reaching)?

[@Chadi]

Tomiki Aikido has sparring

[@keithhill9047]

Lovely video..and very important

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@alafifi101]

I think there is definitely something that can be taken from Aikido and to be used in practical situations even though the whole martial art isn't effective. I believe every ineffective art can be modified to be effective somehow.

[@MrKahunadog]

@Witcher from what I've seen, the techniques are effective, it's Aikidos training methods that are lacking.

[@alafifi101]

@MrKahunadog exactly. Like the lack of sparring for example.

[@Chadi]

Exactly!

[@MansMan42069]

Could you cover Aiki-jujutsu by Salahuddin Muhammad?

[@Chadi]

I'll check it out

[@kananisha]

Does anyone else really enjoy the way he says "Judo" lol

[@Chadi]

Haha thank you

[@tylerida273]

The gable grip rear naked choke is legit. I don't think it would be that much different from the side like it is shown in this video. Looks like a catch wrestling neck crank, but that is not to down play it.

[@Chadi]

It's extremely effective

[@tylerida273]

@@Chadi I like to switch from the standard rear naked choke grip to the gable grip when your partner is really fighting your non choking arm. That moment when you let go of the bicep they tend to let their guard down and then you can get the gable finish.

[@Chadi]

@@tylerida273 exactly

[@zegarek840525]

great Aikido, techniki które są skuteczne 😉 ... jednak aby dobrze je przećwiczyć, po zapoznaniu się z technikami przydał by się lekki sparing, ze względów bezpieczeństwa np. w Judo zabronione są te techniki na nogach, jednak już bardzo wiele daje przećwiczenie tych technik na oporującym partnerze w parterze gdy nie ma czasu na zastanawianie się... . moja ulubiona to różne odmiany "hadaka-jime", angielskie nazwy "Baseball Bat Choke / Paper Cutter Choke", z ukierunkowaniem odmian bez użycia kimona 😉 na sparingach BJJ w kimonach - gdy nikt nie chwyta za kimono czują się bezpieczni 😃 (zwłaszcza, gdy pierwszy raz mają styczność z tą odmianą duszenia), fakt, nie zawsze da się dokończyć duszenie, jednak można wypracować sobie lepszą pozycję i kontrolę do kolejnych technik... kzbin.info/www/bejne/oF62faqXeLGknNkm36s

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@wendellignatin1228]

I wish they taught/allowed standing wristlocks in Judo. Unfortunately, they don't. If you want to learn wristlocks you have to take something like Jiu Jutsu, Aikido, Hapkido or Ninjutsu. Ninjutsu is similar to the other ones, except for the fact that they add ALOT of weapons training... knives and guns.

[@Chadi]

Theyr e great

[@ronin2167]

Aikido is a standing grappling art. Prove me wrong. LOL

[@zegarek840525]

the "technique" itself is just an explanation of the biomechanics, you don't have to do exactly the same ... when you look closely, this "technique" at 3m36s with your right hand under his left armpit, the position almost behind his back can be a choke or an introduction to "D'arce Choke" ", where" D'arce Choke "mechanically works like" anaconda choke "... MASTER the Darce Choke! Part 1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIeYd3-Fh5mWY6s A Darce And Anaconda Drill! kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6K4iJeZf8SHp7c Aikido lacks at least light sparring, there are a lot of counter-attack techniques, explanation of biomechanics, but not simply but through techniques, you have to practice something earlier or in parallel with sparring ... most Aikidoka will try to make a "technique" from A to Z, regardless of changing conditions, where the first technique could be a precursor to a different reaction ... they can't find each other in "haos" which is really a friend, you will change something in the attack , the attacker has a slight problem, the question is who is better to use the situation ;)

[@Chadi]

Agreed! Light sparring and gripping tactics

[@vano-559]

Actually chokes like this exists in old Aikido however name of the art was different at that time. Modern Aikido seems completely lost it.

[@rixsilveira]

It's all about feeling good, living heathy life and and enjoying a game. Most of us will never use a martial art in real situation and it's OK (and I'm telling this from the perspective of someone that lives in a country with serious urban violence issues). A non professional practitioner of fencing, pole vault, trail running or whatever will never question whether what they are doing works or not. That's a weird question that only comes from MMA audience and practitioners of few martial arts.

[@Chadi]

But sometimes the fight chooses you and you can't run away, what to do then??

[@rixsilveira]

@@Chadi the same a trail runner would. Lol... Kidding, I know what you mean. But even if you are a BJJ fighter you are never prepared to all variables in a real fight. If you train a lot for THIS specific situation you have more probabilities to succeed, but, I honestly think chances aren't much worse for an experienced (and strong) Aikidoka. Actually, the worst thing in a real fight situation is you overestimate your technic. Aikidokas are very prone to this, but can happen to everyone.

[@TheKilodead4]

Id like to see you on joe rogans podcast itd be a interesting conversation:)

[@Chadi]

Haha maybe one day

[@henrikg1388]

Eh? I am a bit confused here. I know the rules changed about a year ago, but before that, who says submissions couldn't be standing? Nobody ever penalized me for my standing Kimura anyway. The guillotine is a bit of a gray area. But the reason why it is (mostly) disallowed standing is because it's considered a neck crank, I think. Please inform me about if there have always a ban on standing submissions, because I surely never read about or experienced it.

[@martiallife4136]

They have not been allowed in decades. You start the submission standing but must finish on the ground. You can't finish a joint lock in the standing position.

[@henrikg1388]

@@martiallife4136 OK, how many decades are we talking about?

[@martiallife4136]

@@henrikg1388 I think it started in the 80's. In judo you can start the Kimura standing but finish it on the ground.

[@martiallife4136]

@@henrikg1388 I was just on judoinfo.com and I read the 1983 and 1985 IJF rules and it is not written clearly that performing a joint lock standing is prohibited. The 85 rules state that you can't fall to the ground while applying a lock. I apologise. I have to do more research on this because performing locks standing isn't seen. I've seen old videos from the 70's and 60's of them being performed in competition.

[@martiallife4136]

@@henrikg1388 kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6GndZiEn5eNbtk This is a judo coach discussing them.

[@gsg9ff]

I believe its quite possible that Aikido has become negatively stigmatized due to its romanticization with extraordinary action films by the unpopular & controversial Steven Seagal. Interestingly, Seagal's earlier movies perhaps spawned and influenced many aikidoka (including myself) however, his involvement (and secret teachings!?) with UFC's legends Machida & Silva and his incident with Judo Gene really highlighted the skepticism, animosity and doubts of Seagal and aikido's legitimacy in the realm of H2H CQB. The popular UFC commentator/podcaster/Martial Artist Joe Rogan has been a vocal critic of aikido. In addition, there are many silly videos of poorly demonstrated Aikido circulating on social media. What is rarely seen is a video of a aikidoka who is also a seasoned mixed martial artist demonstrating aikido technique mixed with striking and grappling. People assume that traditional martial artist don't train in MMA or Muay Thai and grappling. A true martial artist learns many different fighting styles including deadly weapons and has an arsenal of various martial fighting techniques in his/her skills set. And the techniques of choice will manifest when opportunity presents itself in the realm of combat. That is the philosophy and message ingrained and expounded by the legendary Bruce Lee.

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@kenkaz7128]

Hi Chadi I was wondering if you tried Takemusu Aikido or Iwama style? that is the most common style where Im from and thats all I have trained I think there is more emphasis on body structure and building the body. Ive been training in isolation with a friend we started to really incorporate Aikido philosophy, movement, structure and techinques and we are taking our BJJ to the next level. I used to hate the weapons training I used to think it was boring as hell but I know the importance of it now. Ive done a few combat sports and been in a few street altercations as well but when it cames to a close call with multiples the first thing that came to mind was I wish I did more Aikido. Ive done kick boxing sparring after training Aikido alot for a for a few months I noticed my distance management was really good and kept catching my partner with the left straight alot more often. I dont know how much emphasis there is on atemi in your style that you did Ive never really done the more Aikikai style I checked out your teachers style it seemed very flowy. Going to your thing of effectiveness in self defence I dont do Bjj for self defence but I do it because its fun. The Bjj i would use in the street one on one would be close the distance hug or single leg drag the guy to the ground get side control and start dropping elbows and possibly choke out, Im only saying this just to highlight some things, Ive done Bjj for while now (ive been a brown belt for 2 years) all the Bjj techniques I know I would only use 1% percent or less techiques that in know in BJJ for self defence situation. If I trained BJJ for self defence I would not have trained for so long as it would be so boring. I personally think what I learned in the very small amout of time I trained Aikido I think I can use alot more to stay safe in the streets compared to every thing else Ive done combat sport wise. But self defense should be simple and is boring and there are too many variables "everything works and nothing works it just depends" thats my theory. Sorry about the rant Im just a little sick of people saying this style works or that doest it all just depends on the situation...... I personally dont like wing chung but I would never say it doest work alot of people give it shit also if I was fighting in a phone box or a plane or bus aisle I think I would love to have trained in it it would be the most effective art in theat situation even more than boxing coz you cant use hooks freely..... Any way I will stop now I just love talking about martial arts and can keep going for ever..... I just do martial arts and study them because its interesting and fun for some reason Im very passionate for all the arts I think alot of people miss the point and miss understand the techiques. People these days people are a little shallow and the emphasis is too much on fighting just dont get into to fights.... I think if people want self defence buy a gun or make your self a beavers tail (I was gonna make one for my wife) or train your running. Thanks for reading Kenji P.s I think Aikido is like a classic car you modify it ie not keep it original the value goes down.....

[@Chadi]

I studied takemusu aiki, i believe ot should be a grappling art with kata based on weapons and striking, i always enjoyed the weapons.

[@jmamvs544]

Very intersing

[@Chadi]

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[@itsjustjbuildingstuff4820]

Subcribed

[@Chadi]

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[@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970]

I try to understand when I did a little aikido, the ukemi, the chokes and everything were a kuzure to the judo ones , is this on purpose to say it's different art if a judoka came to train or what 😂?

[@Chadi]

Hahaha i don't think so i think it's a coincidence

[@zegarek840525]

all named MAs are "specializations", besides, when you look a little further, these are just names and there is one biomechanics ... of course, within biomechanics, you can try to deviate from the general rule ...

[@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970]

@@zegarek840525 yeh agreed, though there are extremely specialized MAs half specialized and multi specialization ones, a good approach is to have an open mind and pressure test anything that has to do with combat, even if you don't have the ability to reach the specialty you could learn how to counter it with your set of skills.

[@tavtav3526]

Judo & BJJ = unarmed-grappling Aikido = armed-grappling Aikido technique is focused on this 3 mindsets: 1. Facing stronger, faster, & more skilled opponent. 2. Weapon involved. 3. Multiple opponent. False mindset lead to useless training. It's like you train swimming cause you think swimming makes your feet run faster. Kubishime is rarely done in Aikido because mindset number 2 & 3, your opponent can still stab you and their friend can attack you if you standing still. I recommended you to learn about Aikido from Christopher Hein. He's a pioneer on taking Aikido back to effectiveness. And, don't hear Aikido hater. They are either ex-practitioner who's bad ar Aikido and have wrong mindset all along, or another martial art fanboy who don't have open mind and capacity to understand precious lesson that so different with their old mindset.

[@tavtav3526]

@Kali Southpaw in my opinion, yes. If your mindset is wrong, it's useless training in any art. I recommend you to watch Christopher Hein on his channel called ChuShinTani. He has detailed explanation on this topic. Don't get me wrong, I just saying Aikido as its own is work. Do you know? Ikkyo, nikyo, kotegaeshi, etc is not a technique? It's a kata. Like in the karate, you don't fight using kata. It's just a tool for you to understand the techniques. You said aikido training is bad? No, it's already good, but only lacks sparring or pressure training.

[@Chadi]

Aikido should have unarmed combat too, times change

[@zegarek840525]

if you double-check YT Christopher Hein, you'll find he has practiced more than Aikido ... I am just for Aikido and I even say that it works, the problem is that you should follow the "way" in the old way, so you should be able to fight earlier, if you can't, then unfortunately in Aikido there are no basic sparrings and you will fall even earlier than in point 1, ... why earlier, you look away and someone weaker will knock you out ... As for me, in the past I have practiced the sports version of MuayThai in parallel ...

[@elijahhatcher8840]

The two arts has many similarities due to their parent art, but at the same time being drastically different. Personally that's the reason I don't care too much about martial sports in general, like in Judo not being able to use standing wrist locks and chokes hurts the art. I feel the sport takes a lot away from martial arts, but I know of the pros and cons of this, so I understand why some things aren't allowed, but others is ridiculous. Seems like a hasile to keep up with the rules and seems to support playing the sport in a curtain way. I believe there's lots of techniques not utilized In aikido or in Judo depending on who's teaching. You can corporate aikido techniques to your Judo without it looking or being different from Judo and vise versa.

[@MrKahunadog]

Did you get to watch and listen to @Chadi's point on continuing to teach and tesf techniques not utilized in competitions. That's a very good direction. What I personally believe that will support greater understanding and versatlity is to change rules on a regular basis to include comp rules, no gi rules, pins, ccw, knife, mma, street, etc. This will breed greater understanding of grappling and functionality. This is anecdottaly evidenced in Marcelos affinity to do 6 days of gi and 1 day of no gi. He was able to do well at both. The other side of it that some what relates to your post is competition rules allow & force one to focus on specifics. These specifics can teach a lot. But changing rules of training goals can develop metagaming which can transcend current strategies as well as learning to ebb and flow strategies.

[@elijahhatcher8840]

@@MrKahunadog oh yeah your right that point was made before.

[@Chadi]

Aikido can have it's own expression

[@elijahhatcher8840]

How silly of me to leave out a brilliant technique of Judo's choke throw. I'm sure there's many choke throws but I've seen one where the collar was grabbed causing the choke and it was kinda like a hip throw. I thought it looked amazing.

[@elijahhatcher8840]

@@Chadi agreed

[@bahadaboys04]

Study the old to understand a new...

[@Chadi]

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[@stefanobio7045]

Thanks for another very informative video Chadi......perhaps you could discuss the aikido of Steven Seagal?

[@MasterofBasheba]

Study gene lebell

[@Chadi]

Sure

[@kerpal321]

lol a high school wrestler would demolish these aikido guys

[@joykune5869]

Quebecois ou Francais?

[@Chadi]

Français

[@josecortez2526]

Are these techniques that were just added to the system? I've never seen these in Aikido.

[@giriasis]

No, they have always been there. This is a video by a former Uchi Deshi at New York Aikikai. This is Yamada Yoshimitsu’s dojo and head of the United States Aikido Federation. They are not considered basic techniques but are taught in our association.

[@josecortez2526]

@@giriasis interesting. I use to train Aikido under USAF and never seen these chokes. I got up to 1st kyu in Aikido and even went a couple of Yamada Sensei's seminars. I started as a teen in Aikido, bought tons of books, had multiple jo's and bokken but never seen these choke techniques. The one using the table grip looks a lot like the Judo / BJJ baseball choke modified for no gi. Very interesting stuff. I love it. Keep up the good work Chadi.

[@giriasis]

Jose Cortez I’ve been training for 20 years under Peter Bernath Sensei. I’ve seen Claude Berthiaume teach chokes. They’re not our core techniques but I’ve seen them taught. At seminars Yamada Sensei always focuses on the basics so he won’t be teaching them, but I’d expect a New York Aikikai Uchi Deshi, like Mike Jones was, to learn them.

[@josecortez2526]

@@giriasis super cool!

[@Chadi]

Always been there

[@wendellignatin1228]

I hate Steven Seagal !!!

[@Chadi]

Same