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Coolest Cars of the 50s: 1959 Chevrolet Impala & 1959 Pontiac Parisienne (not Catalina/Bonneville)

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Rare Classic Cars & Automotive History

Rare Classic Cars & Automotive History

Күн бұрын

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@severinjohn
@severinjohn 2 жыл бұрын
"Industry Chat" with past & present designers and engineers is fantastic, Adam. Please continue this series whenever possible.
@dansmusic5749
@dansmusic5749 2 жыл бұрын
Here, here!
@DavidHall-ge6nn
@DavidHall-ge6nn 2 жыл бұрын
Mark's perspective added so much here. Uniquely enjoyable, interesting, and informative. This was great!
@rightlanehog3151
@rightlanehog3151 2 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@Primus54
@Primus54 2 жыл бұрын
What makes discussion of the iconic ‘59 GM designs even more interesting is knowing they were “last minute” decisions to react to a competitor. All that pressure to get something quickly out the door could have gone horribly wrong, but the opposite occurred. Amazing.
@Sedan57Chevy
@Sedan57Chevy 2 жыл бұрын
For my money, 1959 might be one of the absolute best years for American styling of all time. GM in particular absolutely killed it! It's crazy to think that these were "just" cars once upon a time. While the 1960 model year might've had some "cleaner" styling, the 59s are more iconic.
@sc1338
@sc1338 2 жыл бұрын
59 Buick was beautiful
@robmcgowan4034
@robmcgowan4034 2 жыл бұрын
The 1960 Chevrolet though "cleaner' was as beautiful (to me) as the '59. If anything the '60 Buick was actually more beautiful and the Cadillac too. Unfortunately, the 1960 Pontiac and Oldsmobiles were boring because they were already conservative in '59.
@fehlrock
@fehlrock 2 ай бұрын
@Sedan57Chevy My favorite car of all time 1960 Buick Electra 225 ❤
@jmulroy1
@jmulroy1 2 жыл бұрын
What a great video. You two should team up more often. Having a design engineer explain the concepts of the car was genius. Always remember the alleged lift problem on the 1959 Chevy, which Mark dispelled in his wind tunnel testing. The interior on the Pontiac is amazing. Keep ‘em coming!
@chrisjeffries2322
@chrisjeffries2322 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for having Mark and his wonderful Impala with you today.
@arnepianocanada
@arnepianocanada 2 жыл бұрын
What a treat for Easter! Happy happy to you from Canada, home of the Pontiac Parisienne. Your guest's voice drops whenever he turns away; perhaps insert subtitle lines please?
@ronforeman2556
@ronforeman2556 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Gotta Love this pilot for the Adam & Mark Rare-O-Rama Car Show! "The automobile stylist is a product of his times: A product of the speed and motion, of the youthful energy, of the boundless ambitions and new horizons of the 20th Century." -- "General Motors Styling Presents: The Look of Things" (1953)
@fourdoorglory
@fourdoorglory 2 жыл бұрын
These were an acquired taste for me. As a kid in the 70s I thought they were ugly rust buckets. Today they are rolling pieces of art in my older eyes.
@christopherconard2831
@christopherconard2831 2 жыл бұрын
I never acquired the taste. Most early GM, along with a lot of Ford/Lincoln designs just don't work for me. In my eyes they started getting it right with the Coke Bottle designs of the later 60's.
@mdlclassguymdlclassguy6488
@mdlclassguymdlclassguy6488 2 жыл бұрын
I can really appreciate the speed lines and other touches they used to make the cars look like they were going so fast the chrome was getting stretched back
@mdshonkkc
@mdshonkkc 2 жыл бұрын
You're right. The cars in this video were tucked away in the 70s. What we saw back then were the un-pampered, 15+ year old, rusted-out beaters.
@markdc1145
@markdc1145 2 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%! It was an awkward period of design transition from the 1950s to 60s but now they have a certain charm all their own. Mid-60s GM cars were much more cohesive and still look modern.
@dperr338
@dperr338 2 жыл бұрын
Funny how that works.
@TinHatRanch
@TinHatRanch 2 жыл бұрын
This is an absolute hit. Mark’s insight is a voice not often heard. I️ would love to hear more from him in the future. I️ typically lose focus when people start using what I️ call “gobly gook” language but his descriptions were spot on.
@willallen7757
@willallen7757 2 жыл бұрын
gobly gook language is also known as nomenclature and that's when to pay attention .
@softekguy1
@softekguy1 2 жыл бұрын
Stunning cars and the best overview EVER. The amount of knowledge shared in this video is off the charts ! Nobody knows these cars like you guys. Many many thanks !
@rightlanehog3151
@rightlanehog3151 2 жыл бұрын
EVAH!!!!
@michaelbrown5601
@michaelbrown5601 2 жыл бұрын
Please film more content with Mark. I could drink endless beers with him. Mark is more American than most Americans I know, and exponentially more smart/nerdy with cars. What discussions you must have together. This is among my top 3 favorite videos you’ve made. Excellent work. Keep it up 👍
@ronmerkle3696
@ronmerkle3696 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and informative! I was 4 years old in 59 and my dad worked at a pontiac dealer as a transmission mechanic. I would go with him on Saturday and see all the new pontiacs. Started my love for pontiacs, and still own 5 from the late 60's. Thanks for your videos!
@fehlrock
@fehlrock 2 ай бұрын
U lucky man 😅
@eddstarr2185
@eddstarr2185 2 жыл бұрын
In 1990, Collectable Automobile Magazine started a fascinating series of interviews with car designers. ALL of them praised the same car, the 1959 Pontiac. One designer even went so far as to say, "look closely at the face of the 1959 Pontiac . . . it is Timeless". As much as I now admire the 1959 GM cars, my heart still belongs to the 1957 Chrysler. Words can't describe what it was like for me growing up with those big, happy-looking Chryslers cruising all around me. Today's cars don't Smile like Mopar's "Grinning Gators" of '57.
@seanbatiz6620
@seanbatiz6620 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely learned more about Chevy & Pontiac in that 43 minutes of that era, then I’d ever known pryer… very informative & knowledgable guest speaker! Thank You!
@andrewinaustintx
@andrewinaustintx 2 жыл бұрын
Whoa! An Easter celebration of 1959 / 1960 big. As an early 50's child, by the time I was driving in the late 1960s, a 61 Chevrolet Impala 2 door was big enough.
@The_R-n-I_Guy
@The_R-n-I_Guy 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the rear end of the Chevy. One of the best designs of the era
@billnasburg1361
@billnasburg1361 2 жыл бұрын
I really love GMs styling in those days. The roof design is beautiful. Thanks for sharing this
@richardrice8076
@richardrice8076 6 ай бұрын
Love those flat tops.
@loveisall5520
@loveisall5520 2 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic! My parents had a new '60 Bonneville, I was 5 when they bought it, so I spent many years under that Vista roof. Marc deserves kudos for sharing his knowledge, I learned about the longer front doors on my aunt's '60 Sedan deVille with the flat top.
@dinoa9608
@dinoa9608 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. That was unbelievably interesting. The detail and added commentary from Mark was fantastic. I cannot believe I am watching this kind of content and its free. Thanks to you both for doing this !!
@ellisonhamilton3322
@ellisonhamilton3322 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!! You can see this attention to the horizontal plane in the front end design. Again, yes. Very reminiscent of the Prairie Style of the early 20th century as it was explored by Frand Lloyd Wright. I'm a huge " fan " of Wright's designs and there are several of his Prairie homes here in SC Kansas. This style became SO popular for public buildings by mid century. I hadn't considered it's impact on car design. But when explained you can clearly see it. Thanks for sharing this informative and fun video. Have a blessed Easter Sunday. PS. The rear end of the Chevy looks like a cat staring back at you. Complete with fangs. Look at it. 😄
@gordonborsboom7460
@gordonborsboom7460 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful. Just what I hoped these guests would bring. And he brought his own classic!
@cjdesign5700
@cjdesign5700 2 жыл бұрын
I love them all for different reasons, but the Buick's angry canted light front is magic. Fantastic overview by you and Marc! THANKS!
@bennyhill3076
@bennyhill3076 2 жыл бұрын
What an awesome VID ! I could listen to Mark talk all day long, I was so engrossed in his conversation and observations. The two of you make for great collaboration. You really must make more vids together.
@rightlanehog3151
@rightlanehog3151 2 жыл бұрын
👏👏
@kayeninetwo3585
@kayeninetwo3585 2 жыл бұрын
One of the better videos from this channel. I hope to see more like this, with guests from the auto industry. It was great and insightful to get a perspective on 1950's automotive styling from a modern stylist/designer. It was encouraging to hear that such a person appreciates and admires these old cars. I'm not a huge fan of 1959 GM styling, but I appreciate many elements of them, and admire a large company willing to take such enormous risks in pursuit of an aesthetic result. That sort of sums up the appeal of American cars from the 1950's - all brands - and goes a long way in explaining why cars from the 1950's are still popular more than 60 years after they were built.
@novanogo07
@novanogo07 2 жыл бұрын
This was a lot of fun to watch. I enjoyed the long-form nature and "biased and unbiased" commentary.
@robertdiemer1025
@robertdiemer1025 2 жыл бұрын
Marc's commentary on the design and the basis for the design decisions was fantastic. Really enjoyed his perspective and hope you will be able to collaborate with him more.
@Steverinomeister
@Steverinomeister 2 жыл бұрын
As a collector of 59 Ford, Chrysler and GM cars since the 80’s this is fascinating stuff. I remember pulling apart my first 59 Buick door in 1993 and finding the screws that held the tubular applicae to the top edge. I was chagrined that it wasn’t part of the door stamping. My 59 Buick Convertible drivers side wing window frame was hopelessly cracked so I replaced it with one from a 59 Pontiac convertible because the piece is unique to convertibles. Thank goodness for GM sharing parts back in the day.
@DanEBoyd
@DanEBoyd 2 жыл бұрын
The late '50s Coronet had separate fins attached to the quarter panels too. I'm thinking of the one on Weird Beard's channel.
@groovy1937
@groovy1937 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting discussion/information! Marc has tremendous knowledge like you Adam.
@CadyCTSlover
@CadyCTSlover 2 жыл бұрын
This was excellent. Please can we have more videos like this, and hear more from Marc and more about his collection? You both work well together and there is clearly a lot of interesting history and knowledge to share.
@johnhall8364
@johnhall8364 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I love the hearing the language of design. And those years where when design was at its peak in terms of influence in how cars were made. Which was both a good and bad thing !
@bobcoats2708
@bobcoats2708 2 жыл бұрын
Great collaboration with Mark. Wonderful to hear his informed perspectives on design. I hope you’ll continue to present together in the future
@billyjoejimbob56
@billyjoejimbob56 2 жыл бұрын
Adam: Thanks to you and your friend for a wonderful side by side comparison of these two fine examples from a unique time in the history of GM. Reminds me of a summer trip as a 10 year old to Ontario in the summer of 1966. (Our family vacation was cut short by my sudden acute case of appendicitis, but that's another story!) My dad had a '63 Catalina and the owner of the camp ground we stayed in had a '63 Parisienne. That was my introduction to the differences between US and Canadian Pontiacs. I remember learning about the shorter Chevrolet wheelbase (only an inch difference then), the absence of "wide track", and seeing the Chevy engine which looked just like the 283 V8 in my great uncle's '63 Impala! I also learned why our neighbor's '63 Catalina Safari had an inch shorter wheelbase... shared the HD station wagon frame with Chevy wagons built on the same assembly line. (Yes I was an insufferable 10 year old auto-geek!) I am surprised to learn that in 1959, the wheelbase difference was a whopping three inches. No wonder that front axle on the Parisienne looks rather awkwardly set too far back, in addition to the rear axle set a bit further forward.
@rightlanehog3151
@rightlanehog3151 2 жыл бұрын
😁
@bradmichael1373
@bradmichael1373 2 жыл бұрын
I love listening to the rich history of why things were designed the way they were. Reminds me of sitting around a campfire listening to my late dad and uncle talk cars. Great work!
@MrSpartanPaul
@MrSpartanPaul 2 жыл бұрын
Most informative design discussion I’ve ever seen by far. Excellent!!
@Cameraman148
@Cameraman148 2 жыл бұрын
What a compliment to the Pontiac, very good description of design elements, I was ten years old when these came out and even then i was amazed at the 59 Chevy rear styling, very popular car then as now for collecting....Great video...
@IanKellar
@IanKellar 2 жыл бұрын
Mark is so wonderful. Such a pleasure to listen to his expertise. What a joy!
@Henry_Jones
@Henry_Jones 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for giving info on how those fins were crafted. I commented on adams vid yesterday about what a feat of craftsmanship it had to have been to mass produce those.
@dannyg6592
@dannyg6592 Жыл бұрын
A superb and enjoyable episode with insights from a knowledgeable design engineer. The 1959 GM cars have aged extremely well and mark a significant change in design philosophy, from the heavily styled (and some would say excesses) era of the 1950's to the cleaner, more modern styling of the 1960s.
@SeaTravelr123
@SeaTravelr123 2 жыл бұрын
So much fun. Mark was so passionate about designs a good foil for you, Adam. Loved hearing about the differences. Happy Easter. It was good dinner entertainment. (I’m home alone !) thanks guys.
@paulbruno8327
@paulbruno8327 2 жыл бұрын
Great video for Easter! Holidays make me reminisce of childhood days and these were the cars of my childhood days. Just beautiful and inspiring to me which got me very much into cars. 🏁
@scottsardinha1360
@scottsardinha1360 2 жыл бұрын
Mark was a welcomed guest with a different perspective with his design background. Made for a great chat session. You both should pair up with some different vehicles and do this type of segment again. I definitely enjoyed watching this!
@joecalandrella3330
@joecalandrella3330 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy your videos. I was in Detroit yesterday and gave you the thumbs up on the way home. The tension between design and commercial viability pre-dates the car industry, of course, but that dynamic is never more starkly displayed than when one analyzes the era during which horsepower and design and manufacturing technologies were moving apace. Naturally, the result is that I can drive from WV to MI and back in a day at 90mph and achieve 26mpg while listening to WRIR out of Richmond, VA via Bluetooth. We live-in many ways- in a charmed time. Though, design-wise the Buick Enclave I was driving was much less spiffy than your Parisienne.
@Unfunny_Username_389
@Unfunny_Username_389 2 жыл бұрын
As a little lad in early 1970s England if I ever caught sight of something like a '59 Impala (and it would happen perhaps once every few years) my puny mind was blown. I was aghast - purely astonished at the sheer size of these cars. The sculpted rear of the Impala was almost unbelievable. I had a diecast Corgi Toys one in 1:43.
@albundy8052
@albundy8052 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for, NOT waving 🌊 the camera around, that makes me sea sick 😷 🌊. Thanking for framing the entire car. Thanks for the professional camera 🎥 work.
@onlyhereonce7290
@onlyhereonce7290 2 жыл бұрын
Simply your best video to date. Very informative. And fun to watch. Thank you !
@rightlanehog3151
@rightlanehog3151 2 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@slicksnewonenow
@slicksnewonenow 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that Mark mentioned that "lifting at speed" bit... The story that I always heard, was that the NASCAR guys bugged Chevrolet to take the concaves out of the rear quarters, because the cars were lifting in the rear end at speed. Cheers!
@Al-thecarhistorian
@Al-thecarhistorian 2 жыл бұрын
This is simply a fantastic presentation. Growing up in the era of style, I found cars to be beautiful works of art. The ‘59 Chevy was one of my favorites. As a side note, my wife was born totally blind and remembers as a child her parents’ family car. She remembers it had huge flat wings that formed the trunk and came to a long, flat edge on each side. She remembers how the rear fenders felt as they tucked in deeply below the wing of the trunk. She also rememberd the large package shelf behind the back seat. Perfect for her folls and other toys.
@PorscheRacer14
@PorscheRacer14 2 жыл бұрын
The amount of risk GM took in tooling and creating the body and glass is staggering. How they made profit after fitting all that chrome by hand, evades my comprehenion. These days, we're lucky to get plastic textures match up between two pieces. Thanks for preserving history and chatting to us about it.
@LoyalistCDN
@LoyalistCDN 2 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison of two great cars. Lots of great insider info which makes the channel fascinating.
@PedroConejo1939
@PedroConejo1939 2 жыл бұрын
I have never heard anyone describe the design process and philosophy like Mark does. Brilliant video.
@agostinodibella9939
@agostinodibella9939 2 жыл бұрын
Marc did a great demonstration comparing the two cars. I also liked how he explained why GM rushed to change the ‘59 models after seeing the Chrysler corporation cars of 1957.
@klwthe3rd
@klwthe3rd 2 жыл бұрын
These videos with Marc go so far indepth that its amazing to listen to him talk. Since i'm in my late 40's the only thing i wish for was that you were giving this kind of commentary on the 1970's cars instead of the late 50's and early 60's. It's hard to relate to these vehicles since i wasn't even born yet. Great video otherwise.
@tedlym.3390
@tedlym.3390 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful cars. Informative historical lecture. I miss cars in happy colors. Thank you,
@rightlanehog3151
@rightlanehog3151 2 жыл бұрын
The designers of these cars would never have believed that battleship gray would become popular car 'color' some day .
@stevefletcher2334
@stevefletcher2334 2 жыл бұрын
fascinating video...could listen to this discussion for hours!
@christopherkraft1327
@christopherkraft1327 2 жыл бұрын
Happy Easter!!! This is a really good comparison video with lots of very interesting information!!! Thanks Adam for sharing this fun video!!! 👍👍
@jack3inflesh
@jack3inflesh 2 жыл бұрын
Terrific and very informative discussion on the designs of these cars. Learned alot. Thankyou!
@lcurtsinger4313
@lcurtsinger4313 2 жыл бұрын
Your buddy is quite knowledgeable, enjoyed his analysis, hope he will be making future guest appearances
@ozymandias9797
@ozymandias9797 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely facinating! Filled with info I'd never heard of about the 59's.
@douglasburskey6411
@douglasburskey6411 2 жыл бұрын
I have heard someone call the insturment cluster on the 59-60 Chevys "mother and babies". Those cars are a feast for the eyes.A lot to look at.
@MELLIEbevhills
@MELLIEbevhills 2 жыл бұрын
I knew a lot about the 59's but Adam, Marc, is a treasure trove of info. This is in my top 10 of your vids. Strike that, #1. What info. THe soldering sent me over. WOW.
@joeseeking3572
@joeseeking3572 2 жыл бұрын
OK, Mark is really good. 7 minutes in and he's giving a concise explanation of everything about the 59 program it's taken me multiple sources to put together over the years. Damn! Design (and history) has always been my strong suit, for the mechanical aspect I'm book smart with 10 thumbs and no patience. (Though obviously I appreciate people who 'can' because 1) it increases my knowledge and 2) where would I be without them - looking at expensive lawn ornaments. What a treat overall - thank you!
@Zenny_6969
@Zenny_6969 2 жыл бұрын
...hi Adam......great video......Marc really knows his stuff.....I kept waiting for you guys to pop the hood on the Impala.........maybe next time......thanks....
@UberLummox
@UberLummox 2 жыл бұрын
Oh man, what great information! If you two had a show I could watch it all day. You, the numbers guy, and Mark, the tall good looking one with all the brains haha! :-D Seriously though, thank you for another compelling episode!!! Must look for the '62 Plm. vid as I own one.
@stevemcnally7655
@stevemcnally7655 2 жыл бұрын
What a well informed video. Excellent! Two of the most beautiful vehicles ever built too! Thanks ever so much for this.
@caddyzig
@caddyzig 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I loved hearing Mark’s perspective and expertise. I hope you have him back on the channel soon and get him to talk about some of the projects he’s worked on at GM.
@montymatilda
@montymatilda 2 жыл бұрын
What a great way to spend some time, either there or sitting at home watching this. Please continue your expansion of the video segments. Love them. I prefer the Pontiac. It is second behind the '61 that you showed the picture of. Both fantastic years for Pontiac. No offense to your Bonneville and Catalina.
@tommcmillan3143
@tommcmillan3143 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode Adam and Marc! Thanks!
@scottking4931
@scottking4931 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a great video! I can honestly say I learned a lot. Two guys that work or have worked at GM is just cool. Both cars are amazing to look at with flashy interiors. I remember these cars on the road and didn’t think twice. If I only knew then what I know!
@andylb1
@andylb1 2 жыл бұрын
Adam, great idea to ask Mark ( a real life designer) to be on your channel! Keep the videos coming! 👍😊
@bobjohnson1587
@bobjohnson1587 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad he asked Marc, too! :)
@wsb906
@wsb906 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I never liked this era of GM sedans when they were new. Of course, now, it is fun to see them. Lately, I have started liking the 1958 GM coupes. I had looked and looked trying to find out why the 1958s were a one off design. And your video explains it. Thank you! PS I always thought the 1966 Toronado was the first GM vehicle with flow through ventilation. My parents bought one new. I took my driving test in that thing.
@petermacdonald3061
@petermacdonald3061 2 жыл бұрын
Great report Adam I really enjoy automotive history, I also was aware of the 1959 Chevrolet floating in cross winds , one owner quite fearful of that. Who knows? Maybe some drivers felt that.
@perk2211
@perk2211 2 жыл бұрын
A wonderful background and history you can’t get anywhere else. Thank you Mark
@stevej8558
@stevej8558 2 жыл бұрын
Terrific job on this one. Marc is certainly a knowledge base (as are you, Adam) and it was a very interesting comparison and discussion. Thanks for putting it together.
@OLDS98
@OLDS98 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great video idea. I liked that you brought a GM designer in and explained so much. I also liked there were two different perspectives too. You should do more of this in the future.
@I-Libertine
@I-Libertine 2 жыл бұрын
I find it fascinating that the race to catch up with Chrysler led to such an expressive, memorable design. It looks far less watered down by committee-think, swinging for the fences with restraint an afterthought (not a starting design imperative). That's what made these cars so special.
@jaygatz4335
@jaygatz4335 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative - the two of you make an excellent team!
@ijsmale
@ijsmale 2 жыл бұрын
Love this comparison between the 2.
@rwg520
@rwg520 2 жыл бұрын
I well remember our next door neighbor coming home in a brand new metallic green 59 Chevy Impala! I was just a 4th grader then, but all of the '59 cars were suddenly so radical, low, sharply creased, and sometimes just mean looking! But the Impala was all that was good, no meanness. Of course the trunk design was what was so embedded into my young mind and memory. I have always loved them since then. Although right now I'm in the Ford corner, I still can appreciate those timeless GM designs of the 50's and 60's. Really appreciated the expert testimony of an actual GM designer too! Great job Adam in conceiving and producing this video!
@DSP1968
@DSP1968 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks to you both for sharing this comparison video of these two wonderful cars with us!
@hamlinsondra
@hamlinsondra 2 жыл бұрын
Great video full of information I was not aware of. I'd love to see more of these videos. I was waiting to hear about Pontiac introducing their Wide Track in 1959. It was the only GM car to do this. The Canadian Pontiac body with a Chevy chassis created this look of the wheels being too inset. Drive-through car washes had to alter their tracks to accommodate Pontiacs.
@johnchildress6717
@johnchildress6717 2 жыл бұрын
The Ponty on the Chevy frame had to be a disappointment for its owner.We saw in an earlier bid that it had a6 cyl and geared real low.Still a special very well cared for car.Most anyone that likes these cars would be proud to own it.
@deanberg4033
@deanberg4033 2 жыл бұрын
That Impala is beautiful. I love the fins and the cat eye taillights.
@huntermalone3482
@huntermalone3482 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you - that was a great discussion. I see some 1958 Edsel rear end inspiration in the 1959 Impala rear too, with the wing look and horizontal lights.
@DSGNflorian
@DSGNflorian 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, this is Marc, the owner of the '59 Impala in this vid. And you are spot-on. There sure seem to be a lot of hints of '59 Chevy in the '59 Edsel. Not just in the rear, but in the front, too. The low placement of the headlamps aligned with the grille and the shape of the hood are two examples. Although when comparing these elements to the Chevy, they seem watered down and almost timid. There was, for many years, one or more obscure "spies" within GM who had some sort of connection to Ford. Over the years many photos of clay models from the archives of Ford Motor Co. design staff have come to the surface that show uncanny reproductions of GM styling motifs then in development, often badged as a corresponding Ford products. The dates on those Ford design staff photos often place them well ahead of the release date of the GM product they imitated, so clearly Ford had some "mole", either in GM Design or inside Fisher Body who supplied Ford Motor Co. with advance information. An intriguing case of industrial espionage. The most infamous example was a Thunderbird-badged full-size clay model dated 1964 of what clearly was a '66 Olds Toronado, but several others have come to light over the years. It's quite conceivable that Ford got hold of the Chevy styling information and used it to some degree on the '59 Edsel. As far as I know, that "mole" was never identified or publicly revealed.
@huntermalone3482
@huntermalone3482 2 жыл бұрын
@@DSGNflorian Hey Marc, thanks for your reply and observations. I imagine auto companies really can't do anything about future product leaks because people quit and get fired - and then show up at a competitor. I read Bunkie Knudsen was hated by Ford stylists for insisting they add Pontiac styling features - so I'm sure there's some ego baked into the equation too. GM was the big dog who set the market standard back in the day, so Ford and Chrysler had to keep tabs on them - the perfect example being the Vega, which got followed by the Pinto a year later. But this all changed in the 1980's where Ford couldn't afford a second round of downsizing - and lucky for them. since the market turned to favor the big cars that Ford was still building. Eh, but what am I telling you this for. I'm just a mere enthusiast.
@WhittyPics
@WhittyPics 2 жыл бұрын
I was born the year these cars were built. They have aged better than I have.
@howardjlogan
@howardjlogan 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to listen to whatever Mark has to say about automobiles anytime you can get him to do a video of you. You both are such a wealth of knowledge! Keep up the great work!
@modspell
@modspell Жыл бұрын
MOAR! I could listen to these discussions for hours. Especially if you bring in the 59 Caddy! I'd wear Marc out if he spent time over here.
@MELLIEbevhills
@MELLIEbevhills 2 жыл бұрын
Just finished watching. Maybe do some GM design vids with Marc. This was so entertaining and satisfying. WOW.
@markdc1145
@markdc1145 2 жыл бұрын
Great touch in filming the cars in front of a period office building! These are not my favorite GM cars but I still enjoyed learning more about their history. Your guest, Marc, has really good knowledge of this era!
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 2 жыл бұрын
Always loved the 59 Chevy and the 59 Cadillac.
@joeharkins7476
@joeharkins7476 11 ай бұрын
This was like a masterclass in Automotive Design history! Awesome. I would love to see you and Mark compare all of the 1959 GM sedans (or coupes!) side-by-side.
@davidespinosa236
@davidespinosa236 2 жыл бұрын
I hope that do future collaborative videos in the future. This was great!
@57Banjoman
@57Banjoman 2 жыл бұрын
Well done-thanks, guys! My first driving experience was a '60 Olds wagon.
@gianpaologliori3604
@gianpaologliori3604 2 жыл бұрын
Love the architectural background reference! I prefer the more minimalist 60’s designs but you have to admire the wonderful boldness of these cars.
@2packs4sure
@2packs4sure 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing I enjoyed that so much and I'm so excited to hear about the Turboglide video. I've had a fascination with those for decades now,,, get as deep and technical as you possibly can man.. I'm in !!!
@johnlobbestael626
@johnlobbestael626 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this discussion, but popping the hood on the Impala would have been nice. A discussion of the 283 vs the 348 vs the I6 cylinder is always interesting.
@kevinmaiberger3349
@kevinmaiberger3349 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome talk. By the time I and my brother came along in the early '60s, these cars were still being traded in at the Chevy dealership where our grandfather worked. Objects of wonder and beauty, then and now. Good times.
@kenglavens6455
@kenglavens6455 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! I really learned a lot of things about these cars that I never knew before. In 63 years, I have never looked under the wings of a 59 Chevy to see the weld marks. When I was a kid, I thought that the Catalina's we're 59s and the Bonneville s were 60s because of the different tail lights. We had a 55 Starchier that I loved but I druelled over the 59s.I noticed that the Parisienne had a 58 steering wheel. When I was a kid, I thought the 59 Pontiac steering wheel was gorgeous and I loved the deep spoked 59 Old mobile steering wheel even better after I finally saw one. My uncle had a 60 Catalina..same dash and interior, ordinary looking steering wheel and 100% different body and body style under the glass. It took me decades to warm up to the 60 body style but now I think I prefer it. I think that GM really hit a home run when they tastefully redesigned their full size cars in 1961. I'd love to see a comparison of the 61 Pontiac and Chevy as well. I lived in Germany as a kid too but as an American Army brat. On 65, our neighbors in military housing had a 59 Chevy Impala 2 door hardtop. The guy had to go back to the States on business and he brought back a bunch of new parts for it and then they had it repainted at a German body shop. It had been pretty beat up before from American and German Winters but when it was finished, it looked just like new. Those 59s really stuck out like a sore thumb in Germany.lol.
@marcovarela6702
@marcovarela6702 2 жыл бұрын
Great Collaboration, such beautiful designs up until the 80s, today’s designs look like the eggshell containers for silly putty they all look the same from each company.. you would’ve thought the designs would’ve improved!
@lukesm5747
@lukesm5747 2 жыл бұрын
This would have to be the best 43 mins i personally have experienced on you tube ever. Period
@RareClassicCars
@RareClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Thx!
@dougsavage3241
@dougsavage3241 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! What a range of knowledge and insight to the industry. Loved the story about the weld lines on the indersides of the Impala fins! Thanks for a fascinating comparison and presentation.
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